If The Poor Want Good Healthcare, They Should Just ‘Stop Being Poor,’ Says Fox News Guy by Niki2

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If The Poor Want Good Healthcare, They Should Just ‘Stop Being Poor,’ Says Fox News Guy

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 17:16
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Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:36 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

If you ever wondered where Rap gets his thought processes...

Fox Business Commentator: “I’ll be honest. If you’re poor, stop being poor. Get a GED, have a job for over a year…”

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-6-2014/third-world-health-
care---knoxville--tennessee-edition

This is about the health care issue, but the mentality is the same. It starts getting fun at 4:00, the quote is at 5:45.

Anyone who tries to communicate with these deliberate idiots...well, I guess deserves wasting the time they do. See http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57609 : "Those who want to raise a family need to stop working for min wage, and get a real job." Now you know where it comes from.

Whatever happened to

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He may not change, but the conversation can - if we decide to do it.

Just actually ignore the little shit. He can keep spewing - but we don't have to let him dominate EVERY GODDAMNED conversation.

Maybe we need some sort of designation. The first person to acknowledge any of that shit is the "sucker of the day" or something.

It IS shit, people.

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:45 PM

REAVERFAN

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:43 PM

JONGSSTRAW

So what was that Democrat crap about the 40-50 million people who didn't have health insurance before Obamacare? They were supposedly desperately in need of healthcare insurance, right? So how come after 5 months less than 1 in 10 of them have signed up for this so desperately needed insurance? The answer, according to the still-unsigned 9 out of 10, is that they still can't afford it and they still don't want it. And that the Govt. has spent over a Trillion dollars promulgating this fiasco matters not to the Democrats whose blind zealotry forced this national travesty into law. Add in over 30 mandate delays by Obama himself and you get the picture ..... of Dorian Gray.

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 11:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And you got your numbers ... where?

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 8:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

FOX's Charles Payne did it, so it can be done. Maybe that's where such a 'crazy' idea comes.

Poverty ( and the actions resulting from individual choices ) is more a mental condition than anything else.

And btw - me adding my 2 cents into a conversation isn't by any stretch me attempting to " dominate ". It's funny, how some would mock the idea that Christianity is being attacked, simply because of other religions trying to express their beliefs, yet here all I am doing is giving my point of view, and some how I'm DOMINATING the conversation ?

Quite a disconnect y'all have there. Which is it ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 9:30 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And you got your numbers ... where?

The 40-50 million without healthcare before the ACA is in line with the CDC's 2009 estimate of 46.3 million.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/1506/cdc-number-americans-without-health-ins
urance-coverage-increases

The number of signups of the previously uninsured is harder to come by, as the Healthcare.gov site and Medicaid don't capture whether signups are new or just changing from other insurance. This article...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/deadline-approac
hes-to-sign-up-for-obamacare-plans/2014/03/05/0330c07c-a49c-11e3-b865-38b254d92063_story.html
...notes more than 4 million total signups on healthcare.gov, but how many are folks who previously had no insurance is unknown. Pretty much the same with Medicaid.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, March 10, 2014 10:57 AM

STORYMARK

Bootstrap, people!!!

That's all it takes!

Just ignore everything else, and focus on those big Randian bootstraps. Just as good as blinders!

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, March 10, 2014 11:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Better than living in Julia's utopian world.

Let daddy govt provide for you!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, March 10, 2014 1:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Fox Business Commentator: “I’ll be honest. If you’re poor, stop being poor. Get a GED, have a job for over a year…”

I'm not going to lump this way of thinking on Rap, but I do have to say that this comment is pure BS.

Twice in my life I've been able to hold down jobs that made over 50k a year with benefits. Everything else has been mainly stupid jobs to make ends meet, although any of the construction/remodeling experience has paid dividends in skills learned.

The ONLY reason that I'm able to survive on my current job, which I've held for nearly 2 years, is because how awesome I set myself up. If I were still living at my parents house, I wouldn't have property taxes or be the only person paying insurance bills, but I also wouldn't qualify for any benefits either, so it would really be a wash............

But.... I'd be living at my parents house at going on 35 years old.

It's not a glamorous life, but in the right light I don't find it to be any less enviable than any of my friends with successful jobs. At the end of the day the bills are paid and there aren't any debtors calling.

That being said, if I held this go-nowhere job for two years without a raise and lived at my parents house still, I'd be on the fast track to being a 40 year old guy living with his mom. If I had a mortgage on this house, I'd be broke and paying my mortgage and property taxes with a credit card.

All I have to say to that Fox News guy is STFU, Idiot!

He's likely one of those guys who managed to pull a C+ average for his paid-for-by-parents-since-he-can't-get-any-scholarship degree.

He's never worked an actual day in his life, and he could be a hand model in his spare time, but goddamn it if it isn't his birthright to tell everyone else how they should live their life.

Pay no attention to that type of talk Niki.

Anyone under 30 without a college education or a silver tongue for "sales" knows this is bullshit. Hell... more than half of the kids under 30 that have a degree know it's bullshit.

I know we don't agree on a lot and I can have a trash mouth that I wake up and regret immediately when I see what I posted. I'm really sorry about that.

I actually have a lot of good advice to give, having lived through so much. I'll be the first to admit that I take things to the extreme and that my lifestyle is for nobody but me, but that doesn't mean that I can't help you tweak or tuck something here or there.

Ask me anything. Budgeting. Tax advice. Fighting taxes. Home repair. Home improvement. Computer maintenance/building/repair.

Chances are if I can't give you a direct answer I know a great place for you to ask the question where people much more knowledgeable in the subject than I are happy to help, for free.

Bartering will become a HUGE part of the NEW economy when the dust settles from the impending BOOM.

As for me.... I'm cool with that. I'm looking forward to a time when What you know is more valuable than Who you know.

Bring it on! ;)

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Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ignoring the rest of the bullshit in this thread, I wonder how Geezer's figures explain the drop in uninsured which just came out yesterday:

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The Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index, released Monday, found that 15.9 percent of U.S. adults are uninsured thus far in 2014, down from 17.1 percent for the last three months — or calendar quarter— of 2013.

That translates roughly to 3 million to 4 million people getting coverage.

Gallup said the share of Americans who lack coverage is on track to drop to the lowest quarterly level it measured since 2008, before Obama took office. http://www.gallup.com/poll/167798/uninsured-rate-continues-fall.aspx

I believe that speaks directly to his contention that we can't know how many people who've signed up for the ACA were just replacing cancelled policies.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

About 4.2 million people have signed up for health plans on Obamacare exchanges through the end of February, making it unlikely that the Obama administration will hit the estimate of 6 million enrollees by a key deadline at the end of March.

Whatever momentum appeared to be building in January dropped off in February, as the number of sign ups fell below the administration's expectations. The numbers – which were released a day before Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius testifies on the Hill – also show young people aren't enrolling at rates officials had hoped. That group is key because they are generally presumed to be healthier and less costly to the overall program.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/11/obamacare-b
ummer-enrollment-drops-off-in-february/

( Originally, it was 7 million. And that was a MINIMUM number needed )

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 10:46 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
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That translates roughly to 3 million to 4 million people getting coverage.

I believe that speaks directly to his contention that we can't know how many people who've signed up for the ACA were just replacing cancelled policies.

But it is interesting that the Healthcare.gov site, where these folks sign up, does not have a method of capturing whether they previously had insurance or not. All it would take is one question, "Do you currently have health insurance?". Instead, we have to rely on surveys with a 25% margin of error ("roughly 3 million to 4 million") for evidence of the number of previously uninsured now covered.

The same could be said for Medicaid, where the information about folks now covered due to the ACA rather than previous eligibility is anecdotal at best.

One wonders why, if coverage of the uninsured was a major objective of the ACA, the major insurance components of the plan do not capture this seemingly important data.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Obama - give up cell phone/ cable to pay for o - care.

The President recently participated in a health care town hall with Spanish-language media. He responded to a question received via email, from a consumer who makes $36,000 per year and cannot find insurance for a family of three for less than $315 per month. The President responded that “if you looked at their cable bill, their telephone, their cell phone bill… it may turn out that, it’s just they haven’t prioritized health care.” He added that if a family member gets sick, the father “will wish he had paid that $300 a month.”

Father?

Who is Barry kidding? His American dream family doesn't have a ". Father ".

Obama is the daddy!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:31 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

“if you looked at their cable bill, their telephone, their cell phone bill… it may turn out that, it’s just they haven’t prioritized health care.”

If a Republican had said that, Niki would already have started three threads about it.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:14 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Poverty ( and the actions resulting from individual choices ) is more a mental condition than anything else.

These kids suffer from a mental condition.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:51 PM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Poverty ( and the actions resulting from individual choices ) is more a mental condition than anything else.

These kids suffer from a mental condition.

Bootstrap it up, kid. It's your fault your poor.

Some days, I wonder if there exists a conservative without a mental condition...

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Poverty ( and the actions resulting from individual choices ) is more a mental condition than anything else.

These kids suffer from a mental condition.

Actually, their parents do. And they'll likely learn from them, so...

That looks like a taste goose behind them. I hope they're at least using that and others for the eggs. Mmm... tasty eggses.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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