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Paul Ryan Claims Free School Lunches Make Children Feel Unloved

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Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:51 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Paul Ryan told a fictional story at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) about a poor kid who resents receiving free school lunch because it means his parents don’t love him. Seriously:
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“He didn’t want a free lunch,” Ryan insisted. “He wanted his own lunch, one in a brown paper bag, just like the other kids.”

“He wanted one, he said, because he knew a kid with a brown paper bag had someone who cared for him. This is what the left does not understand.”



Yeah, right. There are millions of kids out there who don't get lunches provided by their parents in cute little brown paper bags because their parents don't love them...not because they're too poor.

In the 2011 The New York Times reported ( http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/education/surge-in-free-school-lunch
es-reflects-economic-crisis.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
;) that 21 million kids were receiving subsidized lunches across the United States. Twenty-one million kids. For many of those kids that meal is the only real meal they will get all day.

When kids do not eat, they can not think. Imagine being a little kid with a growling belly. Does he really expect us to believe that any hungry child is going to care where his food came from? Especially a young one? Of course, they aren’t. They are going to be grateful that their stomachs are not growling even for a little while.

So what happens when these kids are hungry? Well they can’t concentrate. When they can’t concentrate, they are not learning. Then when those kids go to take standardized tests, their scores may not be as high as they could be. That of course affects the school’s grade, which in turn affects funding and so on and so on.

This is reality. This is not a fantasy like Ryan’s. What kind of fantasy world does he think we live in...and/or, how stupid does he really think we ARE? Or is it that the audience at CPAC really IS that stupid?

Thank gawd they didn't get elected!

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Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:09 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Or is it that the audience at CPAC really IS that stupid?


More or less - they're so desperate to believe in their theoretical social models (which do not, and in fact cannot, work in practice) that they'll snatch up any thread of make-believe "evidence" to "prove" it to themselves, out of a need to believe these things to justify their own horrific and inexcuseable behavior, and to avoid facing the simple fact that they've based a substantial portion of their whole life and existence on lies, that they've "been had", and they'd peel their own skin off and roll in salt rather than admit this.

Basically a combination of authoritarianism mixed with sunk cost fallacy as a lifestyle, taken to a degree beyond anything even remotely resembling sanity, cause a lot of them *DO* believe this crap they spout, and why shouldn't they, given that they are so insulated and isolated from anything even close to reality within their private party circlejerks, it's not like they ever have to face any real evidence that contradicts it.

Yanno, kinda like them French Nobles I mentioned in another thread.
And we all know how that went.

-Frem

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Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:42 PM

WISHIMAY


When my parents got divorced and I started Jr. High, my mother found out she could take free lunch. All I had to do was say the word "program" at the lunch counter and it was free. I couldn't do it. I stopped eating, sneaking whatever pre-packaged crap I could find from home. And no one noticed. For six years.

It was a HUGE thing for me. That one little word was so much more. It represented everything that had gone wrong in my life and it made me feel dirty and poor and a burden. So, yeah, I have to agree. If ye can't feed 'em proper, don't breed 'em. I'd take up mugging before I'd let my kid take government cheese....

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Friday, March 7, 2014 6:27 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Feh, I say we go the other way, roll that into the education budget and feed em all.

Seriously, it would not in any material way increase the education budget to simply offer 1-2 meals as part of the damn curriculum, if they wanna brown bag it anyway, that's okay too, but the offer, you know ?
Surely a better use of tax dollars than bombs and plots and spies, innit ?

And while not to decry your bent for self-reliance, lemme give you my perspective - see, when I was living in the deep dark ghetto, there was this lady a couple doors down, who despite pressing and actual need, refused to apply for assistance, and refused to take charity, and she had two kids - two kids who were plainly and obviously malnourished, due to her goddamn pride.
Even though I had so little I couldn't really spare it, I would sneak those kids PB&J sandwiches on the sly, it was all I had, and it meant I went hungry for a bit, but damn me I couldn't just sit back and watch that even though I was generally nihilistic and hateful of humanity as a whole at the time.

When my tax dollars feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, or heal the sick and injured, I have no grudge about it whatever - whether they "need" it or not.
Even though I am antagonistic to Christianity, to make a point here, ya didn't see Jesus checkin incomes when he handed out the loaves and the fishes, neh ?

-Frem

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Friday, March 7, 2014 9:08 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Dems routinely tell fictional stories. Yet THIS gets your attention?

Paul Ryan got a good reaction @ CPAC. By Leftie logic, he should be destroyed.

Obama told more than one big lie, and breaks promises to all Americans


Gitmo

Deepening of 'gulf coast' ports, like Savannah.

And you whine about what Paul Ryan says ?

Please.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, March 7, 2014 9:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
When my parents got divorced and I started Jr. High, my mother found out she could take free lunch. All I had to do was say the word "program" at the lunch counter and it was free. I couldn't do it. I stopped eating, sneaking whatever pre-packaged crap I could find from home. And no one noticed. For six years.

It was a HUGE thing for me. That one little word was so much more. It represented everything that had gone wrong in my life and it made me feel dirty and poor and a burden. So, yeah, I have to agree. If ye can't feed 'em proper, don't breed 'em. I'd take up mugging before I'd let my kid take government cheese....



Awesome!



Glad someone gets it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, March 7, 2014 11:29 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
So, yeah, I have to agree. If ye can't feed 'em proper, don't breed 'em.



What, in the fantasy world where no one's circumstances never change??

Should your mother have never had you - in case she got divorced?




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, March 7, 2014 11:54 AM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Feh, I say we go the other way, roll that into the education budget and feed em all.

Seriously, it would not in any material way increase the education budget to simply offer 1-2 meals as part of the damn curriculum, if they wanna brown bag it anyway, that's okay too, but the offer, you know ?
Surely a better use of tax dollars than bombs and plots and spies, innit ?

And while not to decry your bent for self-reliance, lemme give you my perspective - see, when I was living in the deep dark ghetto, there was this lady a couple doors down, who despite pressing and actual need, refused to apply for assistance, and refused to take charity, and she had two kids - two kids who were plainly and obviously malnourished, due to her goddamn pride.
Even though I had so little I couldn't really spare it, I would sneak those kids PB&J sandwiches on the sly, it was all I had, and it meant I went hungry for a bit, but damn me I couldn't just sit back and watch that even though I was generally nihilistic and hateful of humanity as a whole at the time.

When my tax dollars feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, or heal the sick and injured, I have no grudge about it whatever - whether they "need" it or not.
Even though I am antagonistic to Christianity, to make a point here, ya didn't see Jesus checkin incomes when he handed out the loaves and the fishes, neh ?

-Frem

This. Kids don't do well without an adequate diet, and can develop other problems as they grow up. 2 decent meals at school for all of them, regardless of income, is cheap and fair: Much cheaper than dealing with adults who never learned much because they lacked nutrients.

I call that a good use of my tax dollars, and would gladly pay for it.

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Friday, March 7, 2014 1:32 PM

WISHIMAY


People fall on hard times, I get.
My hardship was entirely my mothers doing. I could go on all day about how much she equates a persons worth in ACTUAL dollars, but I won't.
She didn't NEED free assistance, she did it solely because she saw dollar signs and felt like she was getting her "just desserts" from the system.
I really do wonder if she EVER thought about how I felt. About ANYTHING...
But then, Narcissists rarely do.

Edited to add:
Yes, REALLY DO wish someone had figured out she has a Narcissistic Personality, and had counseled her to never have children.

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Friday, March 7, 2014 3:30 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Strangely, Wish, I think your mom and mine had a lot in common. My therapist at the time dx'd mine "post mortem" as having NPD, and what you just wrote fits mine to a "T". From one survivor to another, my deepest sympathies.

Otherwise,
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When my tax dollars feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, or heal the sick and injured, I have no grudge about it whatever - whether they "need" it or not.

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I call that a good use of my tax dollars, and would gladly pay for it.

I'm with Frem and Fan.


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Friday, March 7, 2014 7:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:


When my tax dollars feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, or heal the sick and injured, I have no grudge about it whatever - whether they "need" it or not .



To quote The Operative... " I do "


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, March 7, 2014 9:33 PM

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As evidence of "rape mentality"
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whore

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The term applies



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Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 4:20 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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When my tax dollars feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, or heal the sick and injured, I have no grudge about it whatever - whether they "need" it or not .



To quote The Operative... " I do "


Well, that's because you're a dick.
But we knew that already.


-Frem

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You want to give your $, by all means, do it. Don't force others to. Especially when there's no real NEED. That's the small part that gets over looked. Fraud and excessive benefits to those who really don't deserve our HELP, only takes $ out of the hands those who really do need our help.

The " oh, just let everyone take from the till " attitude is nonsensical, and reckless.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:23 AM

REAVERFAN


Study after study proves that fraud on that end is negligible. People who need assistance actually do, and denying kids food is reprehensible.

We need to raise wages, and stop paying for benefits to people who work full time because their employers would rather burden taxpayers than pay a livable wage.

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Study after study proves that fraud on that end is negligible. People who need assistance actually do, and denying kids food is reprehensible.

We need to raise wages, and stop paying for benefits to people who work full time because their employers would rather burden taxpayers than pay a livable wage.



The world you live in does not exist. There is MASSIVE fraud. Not everyone on assistance NEEDS it. And the govt shouldn't be the one providing for kids, the parents should.

Those who want to raise a family need to stop working for min wage, and get a real job.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:24 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Especially when there's no real NEED. That's the small part that gets over looked. Fraud and excessive benefits to those who really don't deserve our HELP…

The world you live in does not exist. There is MASSIVE fraud.

Those who want to raise a family need to stop working for min wage, and get a real job.


So I ask, yet again, why DO you people even pay attention to this idiot?



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Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:35 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by Niki2:
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Especially when there's no real NEED. That's the small part that gets over looked. Fraud and excessive benefits to those who really don't deserve our HELP…

The world you live in does not exist. There is MASSIVE fraud.

Those who want to raise a family need to stop working for min wage, and get a real job.


So I ask, yet again, why DO you people even pay attention to this idiot?



You make a good point. He lives in some sort of Randian neverland, and is entirely oblivious to real, quantifiable facts.

Must be a libertarian.

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Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:47 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Update on the subject of this thread: Paul Ryan’s ‘Brown Bag Lunch’ story was stolen from a homeless child

Paul Ryan’s “brown bag” story at the CPAC was stolen from a book. And now Ryan looks like and even bigger fool as information about the author is revealed. In typical Republican fashion, Ryan and his cronies stole someone else’s words and distorted them to fit his agenda.

In 1986 author Laura Schroff met a young panhandler named Maurice. The two end up meeting every week for the next four years and she wrote a book about their relationship. In her book, An Invisible Thread, Laura recounts telling Maurice that she could either give him money for a week or buy him enough food to last that long.
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“If you make me lunch,” he said, “will you put it in a brown paper bag?”

I didn’t really understand the question. “Do you want it in a brown paper bag?” I asked. “Or how would you prefer it?”

“Miss Laura,” he said, “I don’t want your money. I want my lunch in a brown paper bag.”

“Okay, sure. But why do you want it in a bag?”

“Because when I see kids come to school with their lunch in a paper bag, that means someone cares about them. Miss Laura, can I please have my lunch in a paper bag?” http://www.aninvisiblethread.com/about


So Paul Ryan pulled a Rand Paul and plagiarized a story for his speech. This is especially ironic since Ryan said liberals are all out of ideas during his CPAC speech as well. Just another demonstration of how out of touch Ryan and the rest of the crazy Republicans at the CPAC are.

Paul Ryan took to Facebook last night and apologized to his sheep for not verifying the original brown bag story. In other words, he realized that he was about to be called out and had to damage control really fast.
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Today at CPAC, I shared a story I heard from Eloise Anderson, the secretary for children and families for the state of Wisconsin. She mentioned it in her testimony for a House Budget Committee hearing last year. I have just learned that Secretary Anderson misspoke, and that the story she told was improperly sourced. I regret failing to verify the original source of the story, but I appreciate her taking the time to share her insights. https://www.facebook.com/paulryanwi


Perhaps the funniest thing of all, Ryan and Anderson likely originally heard the story about Maurice and Laura Schroff on Mike Huckabee’s show in 2013 ( http://video.foxnews.com/v/2077757057001/woman-forges-strong-bond-with
-panhandler/#sp=show-clips
). Schroff and Maurice were guests on the show to promote the Share Our Strength No Kid Hungry campaign. The campaign’s mission statement completely undercuts the reason Ryan used the story to begin with: "We’re ending childhood hunger by connecting kids to effective nutrition programs like school breakfast and summer meals" ( http://www.nokidhungry.org/about-us).

To sum it up: Paul Ryan and associates stole the brown bag story as a way to demonstrate how damaging the free lunch program is. But the story was taken from a woman whose mission is to end childhood hunger by implementing additional free food programs in schools. Omigosh it really doesn’t get any funnier than this. No wait...it does.

In March 2013, the campaign released a statement speaking out against Paul Ryan’s infamous budget. You know, the budget that would decimate the SNAP program.
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A recently-released budget proposal in the House of Representatives – often referred to as the Ryan budget – would be devastating to SNAP. The proposal would lead to up to $125 billion in cuts to the program and would lead to millions of families and children losing access to the program entirely. http://www.nokidhungry.org/blog/snap-wic/2013/03/ryan-budget-proposal-
and-what-it-would-mean-families



I mean, they're not even TRYING anymore...as long as they don't get caught, literally "anything goes".


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