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They All 'Could' Have Been Trayvon

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Monday, July 29, 2013 9:41 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Mob Of Teens Brutally Attack Man In Heart Of Little Italy

July 26, 2013
baltimore.cbslocal.com




BALTIMORE (WJZ) — A man is brutally attacked by a group of teens in Little Italy. Police say four of the attackers are in custody. Three of them are juveniles.

The victim was walking home from work when he was attacked near Bank and Exeter Streets. Police say the brutality of the crime is why three juveniles arrested are being charged as adults.

A brutal attack in the heart of Little Italy. Police say a man walking home from work at an area restaurant is attacked and severely beaten near Bank and Exeter Streets by a mob of at least ten teens.

Four of the alleged attackers, three of them minors, have been arrested and charged.

“It’s very upsetting because you feel suspect now. Now you see a group of kids, children, and you have to worry if they’re not going to pounce on you,” said Giovanna Blattermann, neighbor.

The assault happened in front of Giovanna Blattermann’s house. She’s also watched video of the attack–captured by her neighbors surveillance camera.

While the suspects took the man’s phone, Blattermann says that’s not what they were after.

“They beat this boy. He got up, he’d run, they beat him. He got up, he’d run, they beat him. He got up, he’d run, they beat him,” said Blattermann.

The suspects range in age from 16 to 19, but police say because of the brutality of the crime, the minors aren’t being charged lightly.

“The fact that they broke this gentleman’s jaw, the decision was made and they are going to be charged as adults,” said Sgt. Eric Kowalczyk, Baltimore City Police.

Blattermann and other neighbors believe the same mob has robbed other residents. they’re now banding together to protect their neighborhood.

“I don’t want to have to feel like at any given moment I can’t walk out of my house,” Blattermann said.

Police are continuing to follow leads and say more arrests could come.

The suspects are facing several charges, including robbery and assault.

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man-in-heart-of-little-italy
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They'll be tried as adults and will face the harsh realities of prison, but they deserved to have been shot by their victim. Oh well.

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Monday, July 29, 2013 10:45 AM

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No hoodies?

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Monday, July 29, 2013 11:01 AM

AGENTROUKA


I don't get the headline. Where's the connection?

Oh, oh, wait. It's because they are all male black teenagers, right? Yeah, totally see how one person walking home with Skittles is utterly like a group of people attacking strangers. Skin color, the ultimate proof of being violent.

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Monday, July 29, 2013 12:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No hoodies?



The CBS news report didn't say. Neither did Obama. Apparently his "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon" remark doesn't apply to these Black kids. I always wondered what Obama meant by that statement anyhow. How does he know what his "son" would look like? Did he make that ridiculously racist comment in the context of hypothetically having sex with Trayvon's mother, or in the context of believing that all black boys look the same?




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Monday, July 29, 2013 4:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I don't get the headline. Where's the connection?

Oh, oh, wait. It's because they are all male black teenagers, right? Yeah, totally see how one person walking home with Skittles is utterly like a group of people attacking strangers. Skin color, the ultimate proof of being violent.



Zimmerman was a stranger who was violently attacked... Connection.

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Monday, July 29, 2013 10:07 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Careful Jongsie, your Klan robe is showing...

Seriously, you post a story from fucking BALTIMORE, where this happens in regards to every goddamn ethnicity twenty friggin times a day and the only surprise I find in it is that anyone considered it newsworthy (musta been a slow day) given how common an occurance it is in a city driven feral by corporate looting ?

Or maybe that was the most convenient place to find ammo for a little race baiting, hmmm ?

You ain't foolin nobody but yourselves in the end.



-Frem.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:15 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Zimmerman was a stranger who was violently attacked... Connection.




I think even Zimmerman would agree that the circumstances were quite different.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:16 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Careful Jongsie, your Klan robe is showing...




You're so succinct.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Careful Jongsie, your Klan robe is showing...




You're so succinct.



speak out against a group of black thugs beating up a guy makes one a klan member now ?

Is that how it works ?

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Careful Jongsie, your Klan robe is showing...




speak out against a group of black thugs beating up a guy makes one a klan member now ?



Posting a CBS news article does, according to Frem.

Posting something from Baltimore does, according to Frem.

Posting Obama quotes does, according to Frem.



He's obviously become Al Sharpton's little bitch.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:


He's obviously become Al Sharpton's little bitch.



Then he'd be dreaming. That job is currently already taken.

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58 yr old Al and 35 yr old Aisha McShaw. Man of good god almighty !

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:45 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:


He's obviously become Al Sharpton's little bitch.



Then he'd be dreaming. That job is currently already taken.

http://thebulletwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharpton-GF-NYDN1.
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58 yr old Al and 35 yr old Aisha McShaw. Man of good god almighty !



There's plenty of room in the limo for all of Al's bitches.


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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:13 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Watching you mass fellate each other in multiple threads also qualifies - so does that fall under circle jerk, or reach around ?
Gonna pull out the sockpuppets again when it becomes obvious no one wants to play with you no matter how many threads you spam, trying to pretend a relevance you will never have ?

Go clean your rooms or something, us adults are talkin here.

-F

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:33 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Watching you mass fellate each other in multiple threads also qualifies - so does that fall under circle jerk, or reach around ?
Gonna pull out the sockpuppets again when it becomes obvious no one wants to play with you no matter how many threads you spam, trying to pretend a relevance you will never have ?

Go clean your rooms or something, us adults are talkin here.

-F


Poor little Fremmykins. All alone in his iron lung with only his vapid insanity to keep him company.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:40 AM

AURAPTOR

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Seriously. When lefties agree w / each other, it's reasoned consensus. When others agree in like manner , it's oral sex/ circle jerking sock puppetry.

See how it works with these simpletons?

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:08 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
speak out against a group of black thugs beating up a guy makes one a klan member now ?

Is that how it works ?



Actually, it's all about the absurd subject line and its implications.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:49 AM

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
speak out against a group of black thugs beating up a guy makes one a klan member now ?

Is that how it works ?



Actually, it's all about the absurd subject line and its implications.



Where's the absurdity?

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:43 AM

AGENTROUKA


Oh, come on. Why are you defending this position?

Zimmerman wasn't some guy walking home. That guy would be Trayvon, if you want to compare. Zimmerman approached him.

Trying to create some connection between an innocent man being jumped by a gang of violent attackers and the nebulous confrontation between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman (which Z instigated!) is ridiculous.

I can't see any motive for wanting to make such a connection between these violent attackers and Trayvon Martin but.. you know, the fact that they have "black teen" in common. Which is, you know, just so gosh darned racist.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:45 AM

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It's not racist if its true.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:14 AM

AGENTROUKA


Alright, be obtuse then. You know exactly what was being implied and it wasn't anything good. This is disappointing. I didn't think you were that kind of person.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:48 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Alright, be obtuse then. You know exactly what was being implied and it wasn't anything good. This is disappointing. I didn't think you were that kind of person.



The kind of person who doesn't blindly follow along on a false premise, that being , as Obama said, that HE could haven Trayvon ?

I'm not as gullible as others, I suppose. So yes, I'm THAT kind of person.

But truth be told, I WAS that gullible, when the story first came out. As I recall, I bought into the initial version , where a trigger happy WHITE guy shot some poor little defenseless black child in the back. " Hunted him down like a dog ", or words to that effect.

Then facts started coming out. Zimmermamn wasn't " white ", and Trayvon wasn't some child, shot in the back.

FF to this story, where a group of thuggish teenagers pointless attacked a lone individual, not because he was dissin' them, or owed anyone money, or was whistling at one of their girls... it appears they just beat him because he was white ? Story doesn't say, does it ? He was walking home from work, and gets attacked in Little Italy. I guess his broken jaw hurts just as much , no matter the color of his skin.

Be real here folks... for the moment you start making excuses for this sort of stuff, whether on the heels of the GZ case or not, you've lost the moral high ground.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:54 PM

AGENTROUKA


Who was making excuses for what these kids did..? Anyone?

I give up. I hope to see you again in another thread when you're not playing stupid.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:23 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If you can have an intelligent discussion with 'them' you'll have accomplished the mighty. Honestly, they spend so much time so consistently arguing against the voices in their heads rather than what people actually post I can't help but think it's on purpose - to goad people into dancing to their posts.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:45 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Who was making excuses for what these kids did..? Anyone?

I give up. I hope to see you again in another thread when you're not playing stupid.



You've not made clear the specific reason for your opposition to my post. And because of that, you've left me fishing for possible explanations.

" They all could have been Trayvon "

Clearly, a swipe at the comments that Obama said, when he interjected himself into the TM story.

Trayvon was headed down a very bad path in life, no one can deny that. It's clear, before too long, he may have very well ended up doing what these thugs did.

It's not a stretch, in the least.

Honestly, I don't know what your problem is here.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:06 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Who was making excuses for what these kids did..? Anyone?

I give up. I hope to see you again in another thread when you're not playing stupid.



You've not made clear the specific reason for your opposition to my post. And because of that, you've left me fishing for possible explanations.

" They all could have been Trayvon "

Clearly, a swipe at the comments that Obama said, when he interjected himself into the TM story.

Trayvon was headed down a very bad path in life, no one can deny that. It's clear, before too long, he may have very well ended up doing what these thugs did.

It's not a stretch, in the least.

Honestly, I don't know what your problem is here.


Admirable patience on your part Rap in explaining the obvious to the pathetic libtards here, but you're clearly wasting your time with them. They're all just manipulated useful idiots for the Sharpton/Jackson racial grievance industry, as well as for Obama's divide and conquer Alinsky brand of politics.

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:19 PM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You've not made clear the specific reason for your opposition to my post. And because of that, you've left me fishing for possible explanations.

" They all could have been Trayvon "

Clearly, a swipe at the comments that Obama said, when he interjected himself into the TM story.

Trayvon was headed down a very bad path in life, no one can deny that. It's clear, before too long, he may have very well ended up doing what these thugs did.

It's not a stretch, in the least.

Honestly, I don't know what your problem is here.



Right. My bad. I didn't realize that you really were behind this implication: the black teen was at 95% probability going to turn into a viciously violent criminal. I say it's quite a stretch. What was that bad path? Skipping school? Writing something on a door? Smoking something that a large number of young people have smoked? Look at these things he was suspended for and tell me they don't describe a solid number of all 17-year-olds.

The jewelry thing is weird, but that is enough for you to consider him a probable violent thug?

Plus, it doesn't even make sense, grammatically. What you all are saying is "Trayvon could have been all of them."

I'm done with this conversation. The way you're convicting a 17-year-old for some invented future crime is just appalling.

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Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:01 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Who was making excuses for what these kids did..? Anyone?

I give up. I hope to see you again in another thread when you're not playing stupid.



You've not made clear the specific reason for your opposition to my post. And because of that, you've left me fishing for possible explanations.

" They all could have been Trayvon "

Clearly, a swipe at the comments that Obama said, when he interjected himself into the TM story.

Trayvon was headed down a very bad path in life, no one can deny that. It's clear, before too long, he may have very well ended up doing what these thugs did.

It's not a stretch, in the least.

Honestly, I don't know what your problem is here.


Admirable patience on your part Rap in explaining the obvious to the pathetic libtards here, but you're clearly wasting your time with them. They're all just manipulated useful idiots for the Sharpton/Jackson racial grievance industry, as well as for Obama's divide and conquer Alinsky brand of politics.



One thing I take away from listening to talk radio and Dennis Prager in particular, is the idea that clarity should be sought even above agreement. If we're both talking about the same thing, and understand each other, then if we still disagree, so be it. I persist on such matters not to " win " or to convert, but in order that we can at least TRY to see things as they are.

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Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:08 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You've not made clear the specific reason for your opposition to my post. And because of that, you've left me fishing for possible explanations.

" They all could have been Trayvon "

Clearly, a swipe at the comments that Obama said, when he interjected himself into the TM story.

Trayvon was headed down a very bad path in life, no one can deny that. It's clear, before too long, he may have very well ended up doing what these thugs did.

It's not a stretch, in the least.

Honestly, I don't know what your problem is here.



Right. My bad. I didn't realize that you really were behind this implication: the black teen was at 95% probability going to turn into a viciously violent criminal. I say it's quite a stretch. What was that bad path? Skipping school? Writing something on a door? Smoking something that a large number of young people have smoked? Look at these things he was suspended for and tell me they don't describe a solid number of all 17-year-olds.



I thought your issue was the headline. Dunno where the '95% probability ' part came into the discussion.

Wrong path? Let's see... smoking dope, stealing, getting suspended from school, glorifying a thuggish, MMA street violence, as well asgun play, and not in a very NRA style appreciating manner either.

Quote:



The jewelry thing is weird, but that is enough for you to consider him a probable violent thug?



I've not heard of Trayvon being viewed of as a bully, but add in everything, and the LEAN aspect, and it's clear the kid was far from being a model citizen.

Quote:



Plus, it doesn't even make sense, grammatically. What you all are saying is "Trayvon could have been all of them."

I'm done with this conversation. The way you're convicting a 17-year-old for some invented future crime is just appalling.



*I* didn't post the headline, so take it up w/ the OP on that matter. But it's clearly a reference to what Obama said. How you don't connect that may be part of the problem.

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Friday, August 2, 2013 5:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Right. My bad. I didn't realize that you really were behind this implication: the black teen was at 95% probability going to turn into a viciously violent criminal. I say it's quite a stretch. What was that bad path? Skipping school? Writing something on a door? Smoking something that a large number of young people have smoked? Look at these things he was suspended for and tell me they don't describe a solid number of all 17-year-olds.


Actually the behavior describes a solid number of African American teenagers. Martin was following a career path that leads to jail for the majority of black teenage boys. Its not racist, its statistics and those statistics represent an ongoing problem in the African American community and one that has gotten worse in the last fifty years.

You can't blame poverty, althought that is a factor. They had lots of poverty in the 1960s. You can't blame racist laws, although the laws are a factor. They had real racist laws in the 1960s, not the ones people pretend are racist because of their disproportionate effects.

Lets look at the overall facts. In the 1960s there was less violent crime, schools (even segregated schools) were the same or better in African American communities then they are today. There was higher church attendence, more stable families and long term marriages, less drug use. The Civil Rights movement addressed all the injustice and did wonders to win the race argument. Martin Luther King won his war...then the African American community lost the peace. Liberal social, political, and economic policies (and hundreds of billions of dollars) designed to correct racial injustice has done some good and a tremendous amount of harm to the very people they sought to protect.

I have said it before, unless and until the African American community learns to vote their class, political, regional, and social interests like every other minority (and the majority such as it is) has...instead of voting as a single, race-based voting block...they will never improve their overall standing. Look at 2012. It was a pretty close race. If the African American community had voted the way the country did, splitting around 52-48 instead of around 90-10...Mitt Romney would be President today. The black community elected President Obama, yet is every measurable catagory the black community has suffered more then any other under the President's policies. They greet this fact with jubulation. After all, they shout, he's gonna give them their "Bama Phone" and "Bama money". Things they could provide themselves if they adopted economic based voting and elected new leaders who were forced to adopt good policies because if they didn't they be the next one out on their asses.

In other words, vote Republican. Show the Republicans we CAN earn black votes and we will work for them. As it stands, we could give them everything they want and they'd still vote 80-90% for the Democrats...even if the Democrats are advocating things they DON'T want. Also, show the Democrats the CAN lose the black vote and they will work for them too. Make both sides compete for the black vote and they'll get good and effective policies from one side or the other...or both (it can happen, hell, sometimes it even does happen).

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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