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In just seconds, a boy, a gun, a death, then grief

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UPDATED: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 11:32
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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 6:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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It happened in just seconds, by all accounts.

A pistol in the hands of a 4-year-old boy went off Saturday, killing Josephine Fanning, the 48-year-old wife of Wilson County Sheriff's Deputy Daniel Fanning.

The tragedy has shaken the town of Lebanon, Tennessee, and has provided another example of the sometimes deadly intersection of children and guns. While lawmakers in Washington wrestle this week with the divisive politics of firearms, the community just east of Nashville is beside itself with grief.

It happened during what had been a lazy, happy day at a home cookout.

Deputy Fanning and a relative went into a bedroom to look at some of the lawman's guns, said Tennessee Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman Kristin Helm.

Later, Josephine Fanning and the boy -- who was the deputy's 4-year-old nephew -- walked into the room.

At some point, the boy picked up a loaded pistol from a bed, Helm said. It was the deputy's personal weapon, not his service pistol, she said.

With a single shot, Fanning's wife was dead.


And this is a man who is VERY careful about his guns:
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He wrote that he had set down his off-duty weapon "only seconds before the tragedy."

"I would like the viewers to know that officers of Wilson County do not make a habit of leaving loaded guns simply lying around," he wrote.

"The door to the room the accident happened in stays locked unless we were sleeping or we were in it," Fanning wrote. "This was the only loaded gun in the house other than my duty weapon, which was locked away."

Wilson County Sheriff Robert Bryan said Fanning had been showing "another person that was there at the house some of his weapons he had locked in a secure gun safe," reported CNN affiliate WTVF.

No one saw the boy enter the room, WTVF quoted Bryan as saying.

"Split second," Bryan said. "We're talking about seconds for that kid to walk in that room unbeknownst to them, grab that gun and it goes off."

"He took all the precautions, he's a trained law enforcement officer, trains with weapons all the time."

Deputy Fanning also works as a school resource officer at Lebanon's Sam Houston Elementary, reported CNN affiliate WSMV.


This struck me because last night on ROKU I watched an old episode of "Dead Zone". John Smith had a vision that a student would shoot up the school. They put in place all kinds of security, and one kid who protested the heavy-handed security became a target, was suspended after he walked away rather than have his backpack searched when entering school and a couple of other kids beat him up. He later threw a bottle to stop an over-zealous security officer from beating up another kid who resisted being searched, and the security officer pressed charges, so they were looking for him. He went to school to meet with the principal and Smith, who had solved the case (which involved sexual abuse by one of the teachers and retribution by a child which would have happened years in the future). As the kid entered the school, the security officer he'd hit with the bottle spotted him, hollered at him to stop, the kid tried to show his cell phone message to come to the school, and one of the security officers shot him, killing him.

The point is obvious; more guns will probably do more to create more accidents, mistakes and deaths than it will to stop any potential school shooter. That's my point.

If POSSIBLE, bear in mind I'm not saying "NO GUNS!", I'm saying MORE guns, in MORE hands, is not the solution. I'm not saying don't have a gun in your home, I'm saying MORE guns in MORE homes isn't the answer. I'm not saying we should take away anyone's guns, I'm saying we should really consider that putting MORE guns in the hands of MORE people isn't necessarily the right answer.

If possible. If you gun folk have to leap immediately to "You want to take away everyone's guns", nobody can stop you; my plea would be for those of us actually DEBATING some REASONABLE restrictions on guns to stick to that debate and not get into the "all or none" bullshit. If possible.

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 6:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


It happens more than we notice. Again, today:
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(TOMS RIVER, N.J.) — A 4-year-old child who brought a gun outside his home shot and seriously wounded a 6-year-old neighbor when the weapon somehow discharged as they played together, authorities said Tuesday.

The child got the .22-caliber rifle from inside his home in Toms River in southern New Jersey and it discharged accidently around 6:40 p.m. Monday, Ocean County Prosecutor Joseph Coronato said during a news conference. The wounded child was about 15 yards away from the younger one at the time.

The younger child’s mother then called 911 to report the shooting, Coronato said.

The wounded child was shot in the head and hospitalized in serious condition, and further details on his injuries were not disclosed.

Coronato declined to provide specific details on the shooting, citing the ongoing investigation, and said it was “too early” to know whether anyone would be charged in the case. He would not say who owned the gun or speculate on how the 4-year-old got the weapon.

The shooting occurred in what neighbors say is a quiet residential area of the Ocean County community, at a home near the edge of a cul-de-sac.More at http://nation.time.com/2013/04/09/4-year-old-accidentally-shoots-6-yea
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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 6:54 AM

STORYMARK


"He took all the precautions..."

His wife might disagree.... if she could.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:13 AM

KWICKO

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And this is a man who is VERY careful about his guns:

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He wrote that he had set down his off-duty weapon "only seconds before the tragedy."

"I would like the viewers to know that officers of Wilson County do not make a habit of leaving loaded guns simply lying around," he wrote.

"The door to the room the accident happened in stays locked unless we were sleeping or we were in it," Fanning wrote. "This was the only loaded gun in the house other than my duty weapon, which was locked away."

Wilson County Sheriff Robert Bryan said Fanning had been showing "another person that was there at the house some of his weapons he had locked in a secure gun safe," reported CNN affiliate WTVF.







No, he ISN'T "VERY careful about his guns" - somebody is dead because of that.

They're not in the habit of leaving loaded guns simply lying around, but that's exactly what he did. Loaded, with the safety off, apparently, and left lying on the bed with children in the house.

And this is a supposedly "responsible", well-trained professional in this regard.

What this tells me is what we've been trying to say all along: more guns in more hands - often UNtrained hands with NO proper firearms or safety training - increases the chances that these kinds of "accidents" will become ever more commonplace.

As those involved in this case have pointed out, it only takes a split second of inattention, one single mistake, and you have yet another dead body on your hands, another victim of gun violence.



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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:36 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Guns don't kill people - young children playing kill people.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 11:32 AM

STORYMARK


And this:

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Woman-Reportedly-Shot-by-her-2-Year-O
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Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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