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Friday, March 2, 2012 6:17 AM

ANTHONYT

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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/01/10552338-limbaugh-contrac
eption-advocate-should-post-online-sex-videos


Hello,

Over a decade ago, I bought this man's book. It seemed, at the time, that he might have something interesting to say.

If that was ever true, it seems that time has past.

Now I feel he is just a vile thug, hardly worth the spittle he spends.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner



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Friday, March 2, 2012 7:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Boy, you got THAT right! The man is a prick of the first order, and this last one is merely one example. He's a jackass of the first order, and his job is to be just as far out there as he can possibly imagine, and it's sickening.

I find it amazing that he can say that and nobody called him on it, especially given it was completely WRONG with regard to the issue. The woman wasn't just talking about herself or contraception for sex, she was talking about a fellow college student who needed contraception pills for a medical condition:
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These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans, it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100 out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, “It was so painful, I woke up thinking I’d been shot.” Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she sat in a doctor’s office. Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32 years old. As she put it: “If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no chance at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies, simply because the insurance policy that I paid for totally unsubsidized by my school wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.” Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at an early age-- increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and osteoporosis, she may never be able to conceive a child.

Perhaps you think my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but it can’t be proven without surgery, so the insurance hasn’t been willing to cover her medication. Recently, another friend of mine told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome. She’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it. Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medication since last August. I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.

This is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends. A woman’s reproductive healthcare isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority. One student told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered, and she assumed that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handled all of women’s sexual healthcare, so when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that, something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health. As one student put it, “this policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.” These are not feelings that male fellow students experience. And they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.
. http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2n
d%20hearing.pdf
doesn't it mention this? We have we heard one PEEP out of the right about his horrific speech...somehow I doubt we ever will.

Just one more example of how completely the "anything goes" mentality has its grip on the right; they purely and simply do not care if anything out of their mouths is civil, realistic or most of all TRUE! It's astonishing to me. I'd LOVE to see that fat old bastard canned!

Even more, I'd LOVE to hear just ANYONE on the right decry his filth, in just this case. It would give me hope, but I"m not holding my breath.



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Friday, March 2, 2012 7:33 AM

CAVETROLL


Like him or not, give him the nod for being the first big radio pundit. He's also an example of what you get when you allow news shows to have ratings. Tada! Infotainment.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 11:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Obviously nobody gives a shit about this. So be it.

But just FYI, to my utter SHOCK, a couple of Repubs HAVE spoken up (albeit mildly and with political caveats):
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A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner on Friday said the top Republican condemns a controversial comment made by conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh but also disagrees with those who launched fundraising efforts over the remark.

"The speaker obviously believes the use of those words was inappropriate, as is trying to raise money off the situation," Michael Steel, Boehner's spokesman, told CNN.
.....
Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum labeled Rush Limbaugh "absurd" over disparaging remarks from the radio talk show host directed at a law student who testified before a House panel in support of access to contraceptives.

"He's being absurd, but that's you know, an entertainer can be absurd," Santorum told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Friday. "He's in a very different business than I am."

Not much, but a LOT more than I expected, so semi-huzzah to them.

Will wonders never cease!

Nice of Obama to call her:
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President Barack Obama called Sandra Fluke Friday to offer his support to the law student who has come under attack following her testimony to a House panel in support of access to contraceptives.

"The president was expressing his support for her and his disappointment in the kind of attacks that have been leveled at her and to her and his appreciation for her willingness to stand tall and express her opinion," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said at the White House press briefing.

Then predictably, Rush doubles down:
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The conservative firebrand also responded to Obama's call with a kissing sound.

"Obama just called Sandra Fluke to make sure that she was alright, aw," Limbaugh said Friday. "That is so compassionate. What a great guy. The president called her to make sure she's OK."

Georgetown put in their own 2 cents' worth:
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Also coming to her defense, Georgetown's president John J. DeGioia described Limbaugh's behavior as "misogynistic, vitriolic and a misrepresentation" of Fluke's position at the Congressional hearing.

"She was respectful, sincere, and spoke with conviction," DeGioia said in a statement. "This expression of conscience was in the tradition of the deepest values we share as a people. One need not agree with her substantive position to support her right to respectful free expression."

Georgetown is a Jesuit university that does not cover contraceptives in its health insurance plans.

If he wants to be "respectful", he ought to look at the REAL situation, not the phony "conscious" bullshit.

The rest of the GOP, naturally, side stepped adroitly:
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Rae Chornenky, president of the National Federation of Republican Women, told CNN the controversy has become "a sideshow, turning attention from the main issue."

Asked if she would repudiate the talk show host's remarks, Chornenky said: "I don't want to discuss that. We are working hard on keeping our Constitutional rights protected."

Frances Rice, chairwoman of the National Black Republican Association, also declined to comment directly on Limbaugh when contacted by CNN.

The chairwoman of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, Alci Maldonado, argued the issue was about freedom of religion from government interference.

"This is really not about contraception, a private matter," Maldonado said. "Liberals are confusing the issue."

CNN also contacted the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, but did not receive a response.

(all quotes from http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

This bullshit that "it's not about contraception" would be laughable, if it weren't so disgusting. Of COURSE it's a distraction, but it's the religious contingent and GOP that have MADE it such. Given the current situation, all they've GOT in their armory is gas prices and social issues; if they weren't making such a fuss, nobody else would be paying attention!



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Friday, March 2, 2012 12:26 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


OMG!!! This guy is outrageous. I cannot believe the comments he made. Who would support this lunatic?

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Friday, March 2, 2012 12:53 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Who would support this lunatic?
Everyone on the right, or they keep their mouths shut. Magons, Rush Limbaugh is considered the "darling" of conservatives; he's so powerful that nobody dares to seriously call him out. A few on the right have tried; within 24 hours they go on TV and retract their statements. The right bows to him and he's sometimes been called the "head of the Republican party", "leader of the GOP", among other things, tho' he's "only" a radio talk-show host.

He is a joke to any thinking human...a dirty joke at that...and is well known for taking things on the right WAY over the top. You wouldn't believe some of the things he's said. They adore him. He can say or do anything he ever wants and won't be held responsible for ANYTHING.

At one of the CPAC conventions, he got thunderous applause and began bouncing to their cries of "Rush, Rush, Rush", which has been parodied over and over ever since then...walking ego. The first two minutes will give you an idea how much they idolize him, by how long the screaming and applause goes on and how he reacts to it:



It's been parodied dozens of times since then on YouTube and elsewhere (I don't suggest watching more than a couple of seconds of any of them):









and on and on and on. He's an acknowledge drug addict with, I think four?, marriages (but no kids--guess who uses contraceptives??) and is a disgusting human being to millions--to others, he's the devil incarnate. He can literally get away with ANYTHING...whether he's serious about it or just a puppet, I don't know. O'Reilly is honest enough to say he's a "rodeo clown" and that anyone who takes him seriously is a fool, but Rush has never said anything that I know of to indicate he's not dead on about the things he says. Which are sick. Period.



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Friday, March 2, 2012 1:08 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hah...I can hear "that voice" behind me in the living room. He's responding to all the furor he's created; his response? "Lighten UP!" Yeah, right...

He's quick to denounce that he's any "leader" of the party, which of course leaves him free to express the most vile sentiments others may be thinking but wouldn't dream of voicing, then saying his is just a "radio show", so "lighten up"...

Asshole of the first order.



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Friday, March 2, 2012 1:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
OMG!!! This guy is outrageous. I cannot believe the comments he made. Who would support this lunatic?



He's anything BUT a 'lunatic',and specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views.

And speaking of proposed legislation, why don't we just sit back and follow Ms Pelosi's own advice? Just go ahead and PASS the bill, before we know what's in it ?

Tough, heart tugging stories, but I still don't see why anyone else, besides the women who suffer from those 'conditions', needs to pay for them.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:01 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important



Quote:

specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views.


Hello,

His specific views are that the woman is a slut and should post pornographic videos of herself.

Are you sure you support him and his views on this matter?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:06 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

So why phony up this maelstrom of bogus " what if " scenarios



Hello,

They obviously don't think the possibility of these scenarios is bogus.

*cough* Death Panel *cough*

But the idea of extrapolating a worst case scenario is clearly foreign to you.

*cough* Forced College *cough*


--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:07 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Quote:

specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views.


Hello,

His specific views are that the woman is a slut and should post pornographic videos of herself.

Are you sure you support him and his views on this matter?

--Anthony




As for the 'slut' part... I'm thinking back to what Inara said.

" The term applies "





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:16 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Quote:

specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views.


Hello,

His specific views are that the woman is a slut and should post pornographic videos of herself.

Are you sure you support him and his views on this matter?

--Anthony




As for the 'slut' part... I'm thinking back to what Inara said.

" The term applies "





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "




Hello,

The term applies?

I fear you are implying, as he was, that any woman who might desire birth control is a slut.

Which is as terrible a view towards women as I can imagine.

It reminds me of mention that condoms are freely available by conservative groups.

Which further implies that if a man controls reproduction (by wearing a condom) it is acceptable.

But if a woman controls reproduction, or shows a desire to do so, she is to be maligned.

Not for the first time, Mr. Raptor, you have tested the bounds of my civility.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


Hello,

The term applies?

I fear you are implying, as he was, that any woman who might desire birth control is a slut.



You're not gonna give me bonus points for referencing Firefly ?

Dammit.

Quote:



Which is as terrible a view towards women as I can imagine.

Really? 'As terrible a view' ? C'mon... you can think of worse. A lot worse.

Quote:


It reminds me of mention that condoms are freely available by conservative groups.

Which further implies that if a man controls reproduction (by wearing a condom) it is acceptable.

But if a woman controls reproduction, or shows a desire to do so, she is to be maligned.

Not for the first time, Mr. Raptor, you have tested the bounds of my civility.

--Anthony





Yeah, won't be the last, either.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:25 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
OMG!!! This guy is outrageous. I cannot believe the comments he made. Who would support this lunatic?



He's anything BUT a 'lunatic',and specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views.

And speaking of proposed legislation, why don't we just sit back and follow Ms Pelosi's own advice? Just go ahead and PASS the bill, before we know what's in it ?

Tough, heart tugging stories, but I still don't see why anyone else, besides the women who suffer from those 'conditions', needs to pay for them.



So lets get this straight. Women who would like to see contraception included in their insurance cover, which I believe is part of their salary deal ie you don't get if for free, are sluts who should let other people watch them have sex?

You support that view?????????

You disgust me.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:34 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Yeah, not caring if I disgust you or not.

Why should women be subsidized for contraception ? Are they really 'paying for it', if they get a deal from their insurance company ?

Because if it's coming from the insurance company, then others who have plans are chipping in for what only some women are able to use.

Go have good sex. Have lots of it. But no one should be forced to pay for it other than you. How the hell is this not simple to understand ?

( KPO, hope you're taking notes on my LIBERTARIANISM )


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:39 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



And for good sakes, people. Rush was KIDDING!

It's called BEING ABSURD TO DEMONSTRATE ABSURDITY.

Was it crass, rude and in poor taste ?

Yeah, probably. I'll admit that.

His POINT, as offensively made as it was, is simple.

If you're going to expect others to PAY for you to have 'safe sex', then those paying the freight are due something in return.

Don't agree with that ? FINE! Don't ask others to pay for what should be YOUR OWN DAMN RESPONSIBILITY!




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:45 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Mr. Raptor, both Rush and You could have made your Libertarian points without also parading your sexism.

I find this disgusting because you both insulted women, not because of any stance regarding economic responsibility.

Indeed, how are people supposed to take someone's fiscal stances seriously when they say things like that? The immediate thought that jumps to mind is, "He'll support any position that subtracts options from women."

I find the statements reprehensible, and feel they serve to undermine any Libertarian agenda.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


OF COURSE Rappy agrees with Rush when Rush calls 98% of American women sluts and whores.


Meanwhile, Rush's sponsors are in a rush to drop him. Domino's has dropped its advertising, and today Sleep Number announced they're yanking their ads off his show.

Sure, he can say what he wants, but he won't long be paid to do it...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Anthony -

I'm not a 'sexist', ergo, I can't parade my 'sexism'.

Yeah, I didn't insult anyone. You might want to see to that.

Personal responsibility isn't just for men. In fact, I'd be SEXISTS if I actually believed that. Women's rights ? Here I thought it was about self determination, not being beholden to the Imperial Federal Govt to furnish them with an endless supply of birth control pills.

Maybe you and KPO should start your own club.






" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:54 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Yeah, I didn't insult anyone. You might want to see to that.


Hello,

You agreed that women who want to control their reproduction are 'sluts.'

I don't know how you see this as anything but an insult.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:56 PM

OONJERAH



Auraptor,
       I've not criticized you. I very much tire of hearing others do so.

I consider you immature and constitutionally incapable of reasoning. i.e., You are among the more than 80%
who never have an idea of their own and simply follow the ones you've been taught to follow. Not your fault.

But I did not think you mean -- Serious Male-rage Mean -- until today.

I suppose the person you hate the most is ... Auraptor.


Personal responsibility is the Truth.
Self determination triumphs over reaction.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

Yeah, I didn't insult anyone. You might want to see to that.


Hello,

You agreed that women who want to control their reproduction are 'sluts.'

I don't know how you see this as anything but an insult.

--Anthony




How else does one refer to a youngish woman, unmarried, who claims to be having so much sex, she can't pay for the contraception ?

It was a joke. Just like when Bill Mahr calls Sarah Palin a cunt.

Oh, didn't know about that one, huh ? Where's the national outrage about that ? Has obama called sarah, to see how SHE'S holding up? Did he return Bill Mahr's 1 million dollars ? ( again, kidding, I know it wasn't a signed check TO Obama himself... geeze )

Where's the N.O.W., calling for Mahr to apologize ? Where's Martha Burke ? Is she organizing a picket line, in front of Mahr's tour sites ?

Gee, it's just so FUCKING odd how so much noise is raised for one issue, but not a damn word gets said about another.

Hmmm...


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:23 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
OF COURSE Rappy agrees with Rush when Rush calls 98% of American women sluts and whores.


Meanwhile, Rush's sponsors are in a rush to drop him. Domino's has dropped its advertising, and today Sleep Number announced they're yanking their ads off his show.

Sure, he can say what he wants, but he won't long be paid to do it...




ETA: Sleep Train stores have pulled their ads as well, along with Quicken Loans, and ProFlowers is "reevaluating" their relationship with Limbaugh.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:27 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

How else does one refer to a youngish woman, unmarried, who claims to be having so much sex, she can't pay for the contraception ?



Are all Republican men really this stupid? Do they really think that a woman has to take a birth control pill every time she has sex?

Y'all DO realize how birth control pills work, don't you? You have to take the same amount of pills whether you're having no sex at all, or having sex with thousands of people, in order for them to work and continue working.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Oonjerah

I as well am tired of some constantly whining and complaining about me, but hey, ... what are ya gonna do ?

You'll excuse me if I don't happen to agree w/ your assessment of me. ( I was told to write that, btw )

I'll not deny, I do have my moments. But no, I'm not 'mean', as a rule. Takes up far too much energy, ya know ?

AURaptor is actually pretty cool. So, no. I don't hate myself.

I dig your font colors, btw.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

And for good sakes, people. Rush was KIDDING!

It's called BEING ABSURD TO DEMONSTRATE ABSURDITY.

Was it crass, rude and in poor taste ?

Yeah, probably. I'll admit that.

His POINT, as offensively made as it was, is simple.

If you're going to expect others to PAY for you to have 'safe sex', then those paying the freight are due something in return.

Don't agree with that ? FINE! Don't ask others to pay for what should be YOUR OWN DAMN RESPONSIBILITY!




You're missing THE point, and probably you're doing it on purpose. She IS paying for contraception. She is ALSO paying for health insurance.

Your position seems to be that health insurance should cover everything EXCEPT women's health.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:36 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Your position seems to be that health insurance should cover everything EXCEPT women's health.



No. Not everything.

But neither should it cover " E.D." prescriptions for men.

Now, tell me I'm 'sexist' for that, too.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yeah, not caring if I disgust you or not.

Why should women be subsidized for contraception ? Are they really 'paying for it', if they get a deal from their insurance company ?




So is it your position that a man with health insurance should cover his own chemotherapy if he gets cancer? I mean, they shouldn't "get a deal" from their insurance company, should they?

Quote:


Because if it's coming from the insurance company, then others who have plans are chipping in for what only some women are able to use.



You DO realize how insurance groups work, don't you? Should diabetes be covered, if only some get it? Cancer treatment? AIDS?

Quote:


( KPO, hope you're taking notes on my LIBERTARIANISM )



Why? Because you so badly suck at it? Or because you're hoping to win some kind of bonus points on a test you refused to take?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:37 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
How else does one refer to a youngish woman, unmarried, who claims to be having so much sex, she can't pay for the contraception ?

It was a joke. Just like when Bill Mahr calls Sarah Palin a cunt.

Oh, didn't know about that one, huh ? Where's the national outrage about that ? Has obama called sarah, to see how SHE'S holding up? Did he return Bill Mahr's 1 million dollars ? ( again, kidding, I know it wasn't a signed check TO Obama himself... geeze )

Where's the N.O.W., calling for Mahr to apologize ? Where's Martha Burke ? Is she organizing a picket line, in front of Mahr's tour sites ?

Gee, it's just so FUCKING odd how so much noise is raised for one issue, but not a damn word gets said about another.

Hmmm...


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "




Hello,

I find that despicable and reprehensible. It would not be the first time this man has said something I abhor.

http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=45409

Which does nothing to mitigate how disgusting your own position is, Auraptor.

Did you think by pointing fingers elsewhere it would somehow soften yours or Rush's reprehensible statements?

--Anthony



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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:43 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Did you think by pointing fingers elsewhere it would somehow soften yours or Rush's reprehensible statements?

--Anthony




I made no reprehensible statements.

But as for Rush, if his statement isn't softened, then it stands to reason that Mahr's should receive equal outrage.

Where is it ?

Where's Obama's call to Sarah ?

Where's the superPac , sending Mahr's million back to him?

C'mon Martha, The Masters isn't for a full month. You got time to picket Mahr a few times until then, at least. Don't ya ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:43 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Now, tell me I'm 'sexist' for that, too.


Hello,

I would be tempted to think you a fool, but such would sell short your machinations. You are clearly being intentionally obtuse in trying to suggest your positions on contraception or health insurance or libertarian economics are the reasons your statements were disgusting and sexist.

--Anthony





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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

Yeah, I didn't insult anyone. You might want to see to that.


Hello,

You agreed that women who want to control their reproduction are 'sluts.'

I don't know how you see this as anything but an insult.

--Anthony




How else does one refer to a youngish woman, unmarried, who claims to be having so much sex, she can't pay for the contraception ?

It was a joke. Just like when Bill Mahr calls Sarah Palin a cunt.

Oh, didn't know about that one, huh ? Where's the national outrage about that ? Has obama called sarah, to see how SHE'S holding up? Did he return Bill Mahr's 1 million dollars ? ( again, kidding, I know it wasn't a signed check TO Obama himself... geeze )

Where's the N.O.W., calling for Mahr to apologize ? Where's Martha Burke ? Is she organizing a picket line, in front of Mahr's tour sites ?

Gee, it's just so FUCKING odd how so much noise is raised for one issue, but not a damn word gets said about another.

Hmmm...



By the way, you're lying again. You really ought to see to that.

N.O.W. *DID* rebuke Maher (correct spelling; it's exactly like Sean's last name!). So quite a few "damn words" got said about it.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:46 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I made no reprehensible statements.





Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

As for the 'slut' part... I'm thinking back to what Inara said.

"The term applies "





Hello,

Will you deny your own words, right in front of you?

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:56 PM

AURAPTOR

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Anthony -

I'm denying nothing.

And I love Firefly.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:00 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

By the way, you're lying again.



Haven't lied yet here ( unlike you ) so it's not possible for me to lie AGAIN.

Quote:



N.O.W. *DID* rebuke Maher (correct spelling; it's exactly like Sean's last name!). So quite a few "damn words" got said about it.



Really? Good. I hope it's true. Got any links/ quotes to back up your claims? That'd be super. TIA.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Anthony, Rappy doesn't find it reprehensible to refer to women as sluts and whores, because that is exactly how he views women. That's also why he's in 100% agreement with Limbaugh on the matter.

He honestly does not find such characterizations reprehensible.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:10 PM

BYTEMITE


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JustJokingJustification

The tea lacks punch.

Struggling to understand. Insurance companies covering certain medicine. Insurance companies paying for medicine. People paying into insurance companies to pay for medicine.

Insurance company not paying for promised medication/contraceptives... Theft? At the very least, poor service?

Answer: Don't offer insurance policies through employment, but allow people to select their own.

Whole argument = ridiculous? Yes.

Nuff said. Yes.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
OF COURSE Rappy agrees with Rush when Rush calls 98% of American women sluts and whores.


Meanwhile, Rush's sponsors are in a rush to drop him. Domino's has dropped its advertising, and today Sleep Number announced they're yanking their ads off his show.

Sure, he can say what he wants, but he won't long be paid to do it...




ETA: Sleep Train stores have pulled their ads as well, along with Quicken Loans, and ProFlowers is "reevaluating" their relationship with Limbaugh.



ETA: This is moving pretty quickly, especially for a Friday night, but it seems AutoZone have now pulled all advertising as well.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:26 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Over a decade ago, I bought this man's book. It seemed, at the time, that he might have something interesting to say.




I'm wondering, Anthony. Did you happen to READ this book ?

I ask, because if you did, then you SHOULD have been introduced to the back drop for why he uses the sort of humor he does , on air. He fully explains, as he does on his radio show, from time to time, why he says such " outrageous " things.

Maybe you should go back and re-read this book ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 5:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Meanwhile, conservative women's groups like One Million Moms haven't had a single word to say.

I wish I could say I was shocked by their silence.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, March 2, 2012 5:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Perhaps if nearly everybody else on the radio/TV/Newspaper dole weren't Liberals, this fat/old/white extremist wouldn't be the most popular radio show in the world.

Just sayin' that a reality where Liberalism wins out in 90% of every situation these days, when at the very lest 50% of this country is Conservative.....

What do you expect?


Personally, I view Rush's viewership very akin to the people who frequented speakeasy's in the Prohibition days.

Were these people breaking the law?

Yes.

Were they going against what the media in their day was saying was right and moral?

Yes.

But did it make their lives more complete, in a way that nothing else in their confined and manipulated world surrounding them could?

Yes.



I agree, Rush is an ass of EPIC proportions.

On the flip side, if you took every bleeding heart liberal on the other side that has a huge following and "Voltron-ed" that bitch together, we'd all be seeing David (Rush) versus Goliath (everyone else).



"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, March 2, 2012 7:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yeah, not caring if I disgust you or not.

Why should women be subsidized for contraception ? Are they really 'paying for it', if they get a deal from their insurance company ?

Because if it's coming from the insurance company, then others who have plans are chipping in for what only some women are able to use.

Go have good sex. Have lots of it. But no one should be forced to pay for it other than you. How the hell is this not simple to understand ?




Whether you want to include it as part of the insurance deal or not, is neither here not there. It's the attitude dispayed by this nasty piece of work to women and sex that totally stinks.

The American system of doing things perplexes me, I have to admit. Most people don't get insurance cover with their work here, but we have a public health system. You can take out private health insurance if you like and you can shop around for one that covers what you want covered. I have no idea whether contraception is covered, but it isn't expensive to get the pill and low income earners will probably get it for virtually nothing because prescriptions are subsidised.

So I don't understand the attitudes towards health cover in general. If I was to take your attitude, why should I be paying for some baby that doesn't belong to me to have life saving surgery. It should probably just die, right?

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Friday, March 2, 2012 7:33 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

we'd all be seeing David (Rush) versus Goliath (everyone else).


Pretty sure we already are...

But, seriously. If we're going to talk about David and Goliath on this board, I reject any conversation that doesn't put one MLKM Reynolds first and foremost on that analogy list. Rush Limbaugh could be buck naked in sandals doing his stone slinging, and he could not be more David than Malcolm friggin' Reynolds.

Also, pretty sure Rush is married at the moment. Think that needs to be said.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 7:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You're only biased because you saw Malcom naked in Trash :)

Plus the thought of Rush in that situation would make anyone gag.

But there's nobody else besides Hannity, and he comes on late at night when most folk are with family or sleeping. I only catch him on late runs.



I agree with previous posters that Rush and Rush worship is INSANE. What I don't agree with is that anybody who chooses to post that has any less INSANE alternative.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, March 2, 2012 8:15 PM

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  Mal: Ahhuhh! - The Ambassador graces us with her presence!
Inara: Hello, Mal... I see we have some new faces.
Kaylee: Hey you! :)
Inara: Hey you! :)
  Mal: Ambassador, this is Shepherd Book.
Inara: I have to say, this is the first time we've had a preacher on board.
Book : Well, I wasn't expecting to see a state official, either... Ambassador.
Mal snickers.
Book : I'm missing something funny.
Kaylee: Not so funny.
Inara: Ambassador is Mal's way--
  Mal: She's a whore, Shepherd
Kaylee: The term is companion.
  Mal: I always get those mixed up. (to Inara) How's business?
Inara: None of yours.
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Friday, March 2, 2012 8:19 PM

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Mitt Romney responds to Limbaugh's comments. "It's not the language I would have used," Romney replied. "I'm focusing on
the issues that I think are significant in the country today, and that's why I'm here talking about jobs in Ohio."

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum says radio host Rush Limbaugh was "being absurd" when he
suggested a college student record sex tapes and share them in exchange for contraception.

Santorum told CNN on Friday that Limbaugh is an "entertainer" taking an absurd point of view.


Personal responsibility is the Truth.
Self determination triumphs over reaction.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 8:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


All the more reason that my write in vote is for Mayor McCheese. He has as much a chance as my boy Ron Paul.

It's all a joke

At least with Mitt Romney in office, maybe he can stabalize the economy to make a single father/husband raise 3 families with 12 kids????



"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, March 2, 2012 8:27 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:


At least with Mitt Romney in office, maybe he can stabalize the economy



Hello,

Additional humor?

--Anthony



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Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 8:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Haha....


YOu need to put some "()" or "[]" in there.... lol

I was just speaking of the theoretical Utopia when men go to work and their three wives stay at home cooking and making babies and smoking pot.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, March 2, 2012 8:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Update: Looks like Legal Zoom, Citrix and the Cleveland Cavaliers have pulled all their ads now, too.

Rush should have even more time to call women sluts and whores next week, since he won't have to run any commercials!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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