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Gerrymandering, or "Why your vote for Congress may not matter"

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 6:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Why it's pretty useless to try to make change "through the process":
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The lines are redrawn for seats in Congress each 10 years after the U.S. Census measures population shifts. That process is going on now in states across the country.

Among CNN's findings:

The South

Race has been used to create a political divide in the South. In the five Deep Dixie states -- South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana -- only nine Democrats are left in Congress. Only one is white. He is Georgia Democrat John Barrow, and Republican control in that state's legislature has led to his home city of Savannah being excluded from his current district.

In 2010, Republicans captured control of North Carolina's legislature for the first time since shortly after the Civil War. They drew district lines in a way to pack 49% of all of North Carolina's African-American voters in just three of the state's 13 congressional districts. That left the other 10 districts mostly white and predictably Republican.

Democrats in North Carolina accuse the GOP of political "resegregation." A court battle is looming.

Illinois

After the GOP landslide in 2010, this is the only battleground state winning or losing a seat where Democrats remain in control. They pushed through their new map over the Memorial Day holiday weekend. Most of the five freshmen Republicans elected to Congress last time will face difficult races to return for a second term.

Nowhere is gerrymandering more apparent than in Chicago's 4th District, where a grassy strip hardly a football field wide, stuck in between two expressways, connects the top and bottom halves of a district designed to keep a Hispanic in Congress.

According to the 4th District Rep. Luis Gutierrez, a Democrat, Chicago has an Irish district, a Polish district, a Jewish district and three black districts. Look at a map and all have irregular, unusual lines. This is not a matter of party control. All the incumbents are Democrats. The lines preserve racial and ethnic heritages.

In Illinois, it is the GOP that is suing Democrats to try to overturn the new map.

California

Voters have revolted. In 2010, they passed an amendment to the state constitution to take redistricting out of political hands and have a citizens commission redraw the lines. It was forbidden to favor incumbents.

As a result, more than half of California's 53 representatives were placed in the same district with another colleague for the 2012 election. As many as 15 could lose or else face retirement to avoid losing.

"Fifteen out of 53 does not sound like a lot," Wasserman said. "But compared to most other states, that's an avalanche."

Party politics did give way to social politics. Latinos, who accounted for most of California's population growth, could win as many as nine seats next year. The African-American population shrank, but under pressure, the citizens commission retained the three traditionally black seats in south Los Angeles.

Florida

Voter reform met resistance here. Three million people voted to pass amendments last year that say the legislature cannot not favor or penalize incumbents or political parties when it redraws the lines.

Two members of Congress -- Democrat Corrine Brown, who is African-American, and Republican Mario Diaz-Balart, who is Hispanic -- filed a lawsuit in federal court to try to overturn what the voters had done. Florida's House of Representatives, using taxpayer money, hired a law firm to support them in opposing the taxpayers' will. Their argument: The U.S. Constitution has given the legislature the sole responsibility for redistricting.

A federal judge rejected that argument and threw out the lawsuit. But the two incumbents, supported by the legislature, are appealing, and they say the case could go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Iowa

For three decades now, Iowa has had a nonpartisan redistricting system. Two legislative staffers draw the maps in secrecy without political interference. "In Iowa, it is understood incumbent protection is not the name of the game," one of those staffers said.

As a result, Iowa has the nation's only congressional race next year where a longtime Republican incumbent, Tom Latham, is paired against a longtime Democratic incumbent, Leonard Boswell. Past voting patterns indicate they could be separated by no more than 1%, either way.

Iowans like it this way, and that includes Latham. He said, "I think if you sit in a very safe district, a lot of times these people will ignore the public will. They won't have to listen because they can do whatever they want to, and vote however they want to, and not be held accountable for it."

As Wasserman put it, "Americans are basically between the ideological 40-yard lines. But the districts aren't. And that's part of the reason Congress is so polarized." http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/18/politics/gerrymandering/index.html?hpt=h
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So what's the point in trying to get representation by the voting process? What other way can we change the system and the political powers that be? Is it any wonder that the people are standing up to say things aren't fair?

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:19 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I'll admit that I don't understand this gerrymandering thing. It sounds like finding all the people who tend to view issues in a similar fashion and putting them into a single voting block. Presumably providing them with a representative who shares their interests?

So many people are speaking out against this that I feel I am missing something vital.

--Anthony



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Sunday, November 20, 2011 2:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It sounds like finding all the people who tend to view issues in a similar fashion and putting them into a single voting block. Presumably providing them with a representative who shares their interests?


While subsequently depriving others of one by breaking their block into pieces too small to matter.

This.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

Now, mind you - I have an oar in these dirty waters too, some of the folk we helped out way back when grew up and obtained positions of influence you might say, and a couple of em *ARE* the folk who re-write districts (with the help of specialized software, some of which is based on that halfsie-AI) in order to make the already appalling fiction of voting essentially meaningless.

Not to mention how unfair it is to have a foreign country which shall-not-be-named, and a single state (Iowa) pre-vetting candidates long before any pretense of a decision reaches us peons anyways.

By the time you get to pull the lever in the booth, people - it's been reduced to a fakeout, a magicians force, simply changing a puppet on a stage where no decisions are made to begin with as policy in this country is mostly set by unelected bastards who pull strings from the shadows, not all of whom are necessarily wicked but certainly not having your interests in mind.

And just to make it exceptionally pointless, as a check against the will of the people there is the electoral college, both on a national level and many localities use the same system, in which the electors are SELECTED, not elected, in smoke filled back rooms where hands are shaken, deals are made, and nobody knows nothing, where actual policy is formed long before YOU ever get let in on the scam.
(One reason I make a lot of dosh on political betting is being able to reliably eavesdrop on those meetings, using the results in much the manner of betting on fixed races or insider trading)

Oh, and just in case you think that occasionally the people might slip a candidate through the cracks in the system, think again - just ask Victor L Berger how that went.
Since the wikipedia entry has been "revised" by fascist pricks, I offer this synopsis instead.
http://downfalldictionary.blogspot.com/2009/02/victor-l-berger-comebac
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If congress is not bound by the decision of the vote, and can choose to ignore it, then it's all fucking pointless anyway.

Anyhows, Gerrymandering is just part of the smoke and mirrors designed to make people THINK they have a choice, and it's not just re-drawing districts but often in concert with repopulating them or changing the demographics via finanical and other incentive/disincentive, such as blockbusting, rezoning, subsidy/section-eight or even just flat revaluation of the properties and the accompanying taxes.
It's more involved than just moving lines on a map, and involves a long drawn out tactical charade much in the fashion of a social dynamics chess game, complete with local media manipulation.

That fill in the missing pieces for you, Anthony ?

Mind, as I said, I am far, far from blameless in this particular game myself.
Some folk around here like to call me the Kingfish's Ghost, and I'll admit they're not without cause.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, July 21, 2023 6:40 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Illegal immigrants are being transported from the southern border to the interior of the United States, and most are winding up in Republican congressional districts.

https://gettr.com/post/p2mh7d1696b

In France meanwhile, former head of France’s DGSE counter-intelligence agency Pierre Brochand warns of the looming threat of civil war.

https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1528428255600709643

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