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A Good, Honest Sheriff?
Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:53 AM
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:03 AM
Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I found this interesting. He sounds like a nice guy.
Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:25 AM
John Lee, executive producer of Hollywood award-winning Pirate News TV at PirateNew.org
Quote:Man says police caused wife's death; police say man made threats against local officials
Wed Oct 9 2008
SEVIERVILLE TENNESSEE; A local woman allegedly took her own life Monday while officers from the Sheriff's Department and Sevierville Police Department waited outside for an eviction notice that never arrived.
Pamela Ross had spoken to officers outside her home at 230 Lexington Place Monday morning while her husband, Jimmie D. Ross, was in court on a matter related to a foreclosure on their home, according to authorities. Judge Jeff Rader would eventually grant an extension that would allow the Rosses to remain in their home longer. But in the meantime, officers say Ross went inside and ended her life with a handgun.
Jimmie Ross doesn't believe that account.
"It doesn't add up," he said in an interview with The Mountain Press on Tuesday.
He said he told officers Monday that he believed they were responsible for her death.
"One way or another, I said, whether you pulled the trigger or not, you killed my wife."
Ross said he has retained Knoxville attorney Herb Moncier to represent his family. Late Tuesday, he said Moncier would ask for an independent autopsy and for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation to take over the case.
A friend, he said, talked to Pamela Ross by phone five minutes before her death.
She also left a message with a Galveston, Texas man whom Ross describes as a private attorney general that had been advising him during the foreclosure and eviction procedure. "She ... said, scared to death, "They're at my front door and my back door, Odell, what should I do?' And then the phone went dead," Ross said.
Sheriff Ron Seals said officers were sent to the house before the writ evicting the Rosses was issued because they were concerned about what Jimmie Ross might do if he were evicted. Authorities say Ross has made threats against law enforcement and court personnel, and they
were aware that he had guns in the home.
"Under normal circumstances, we would not do that (level of force), but we went out there knowing there were weapons in the house and there had been threats," Seals said.
Deputies had seen firearms at the house when they assisted IRS agents who searched the house in relation to a separate case several months ago, Seals said. Knowing of that and of the alleged threats Ross had made, they decided to send officers there ahead of time.
They also asked for Sevierville police to assist, according to Bob Stahlke, spokesman for the Sevierville Police Department.
One officer was there as back-up before Pamela Ross spoke to the officers and went back inside, Stahlke said. Many others converged on the house, however, after officers reporting hearing a shot from inside the house, Stahlke said.
Ross said he doesn't believe his wife would have walked out and spoken to authorities. She spent most of her time in bed due to a chronic, terminal illness, he said.
"The whole thing was a scam to get me out of my home. I'll put the bottom line to you," he said.
He denies ever threatening a judge or police officers.
"I don't make threats against anybody," he said. "I don't have to make threats. If I'm going to do something, I'll do it.
"We are private people, we don't bother anybody and I don't want anybody bothering us."
He acknowledges owning several weapons, including a handgun he kept beside his bed and a gun that was in his car when he arrived at the scene. Law enforcement officers confiscated all the firearms in the house Monday, he said.
As he left court Monday, a deputy escorted him to the car and chatted with him as they walked. When they reached his car, however, he said that the deputy informed him his wife had been in an accident and was being taken to a hospital by ambulance. He decided to go home to change his clothes before going to the hospital.
As he neared his home, law enforcement officers were all around his home and swarmed the car, demanding that he get out. Ross said he refused at first to comply.
"This guy with this big Uzi or whatever it is jumped on the hood of the car there and pointed that gun at me, and they were screaming at me," he said.
He said he was handcuffed and held several hours before being told what had happened to his wife.
Police say Ross was never charged with any offense on Monday.
Ross said he told officers he wouldn't leave for the hospital until they left his home and property.
He said he has spent most of his retirement funds to pay for his wife's medical bills. She was denied Social Security and disability benefits.
Ross said most of his money has been "stolen," but declined to elaborate on what that meant. Documents in local courts show several credit card companies have sued to collect debts from Ross; he said those were unrelated matters.
The foreclosure proceedings on his house are just the latest debt collection proceedings Ross has been involved in. He says he was not in default on his payments to the bank; he had paid the bank with a treasury bond that they still have but have not acknowledged. He doesn't know why.
He maintains that the attorneys suing to collect the debts, and in some cases the banks themselves, do not have the authority to collect the bills. He claims that judges are allowing those claims to continue even though they aren't proper, and he has gone so far as to sue people, including chancellor Telford Forgety on two occasions, claiming their actions against him amount to racketeering.
Both claims against Forgety have been dismissed.
Several sources told The Mountain Press that Ross had placed a sign on his door claiming that his home was not part of the United States and did not fall under its laws. Ross said that was not true; he said he had an apostille from the Tennessee secretary of state on his door saying no government agency had the right to enter his property.
Ross said he is a member of the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party, and that he supported Ron Paul for president.
Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews:
Here's how our crooked sheriffs handle forclosures - police state death squads kill defenseless grannies...
Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:00 AM
Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:26 AM
Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I guess Zero didn't actually read the article.
Most of the time the problem he's running into is that the court orders are NOT legal cause those initiating them did not fulfil all the necessary requirements and the court negligently issued them anyway.
Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:54 AM
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Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:28 PM
Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:47 PM
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:00 PM
Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:06 PM
Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:38 PM
Quote:Herb Moncier (assisting atty)'s Private Investigator has found neighborhood witnesses who saw the bastards force my wife out of OUR HOME and body slam her to the ground. Keep in mind that she has had post traumatic stress syndrome since the invasion last year and already had a terminal illness at THAT time. She could hardly walk up the stairs and yet was treated like shit. They told her that I had made threats to a judge and was getting violent at the court house. She was going to go and "calm me down". Bullshit! She knew better than that. They have finally stated that she was killed with a 9mm Glock. Because of her terminal illness and other physical problems she could not even COCK the Glock. I had to buy her a S&W 38 snub nose and I had it with her car that day. It was IMPOSSIBLE for her to have shot herself like they are trying to cover up evidence and say.
More exact details as I get time. They have been refusing an autopsy and paraphin test but the PI has forced their hands on that issue and it will be done on Monday. The PI found a LOTTTTT of incorrect bullet info; for example: the bullet went STRAIGHT through her heart, made a right turn down into the top corner of a cardboard box on one side and exited the opposite side at the bottom and went STRAIGHT out to the BASEBOARD of the wall in the GARAGE after hitting her kitchin spatcula. Does this bring back memories of the right turn travels of the Kennedy projectiles in 1963??? Herb was interviewed on CBS news about the case yesterday and said that regardless what or how the death happened, the bastards did not have a warrant nor writ of possession (unwarranted anyway) and absolutely had NO right to enter our YARD and certainly not our home. Another neighbor witnessed the cops enter into our home three times. The PI said he is coming up with more questions than answers about this case. More later..................
Jimmie D Ross
Quote:Moncier representing family after eviction led to apparent suicide in Sevier Co.
SEVIERVILLE, Tenn. (WVLT) – A Sevierville woman apparently committed suicide as Sevier County Sheriff's deputies arrived to evict her family from their home, but the family attorney and relatives are asking a big question. Should deputies have been at the home at all?
Sevierville police say they went to the home of Jimmy and Pamela Ross on Monday to assist Sheriff's deputies in an eviction, but court documents shows a judge just Monday morning had given the Ross' at least 10 more days before they had to get out.
With a portable storage facility now in his driveway, Jimmy Ross appears to be moving from his foreclosed-on Sevierville home after his wife shot herself in an apparent suicide.
Family members feel she should be alive today, and a family attorney is now questioning why Sevier County sheriff's deputies, where there to begin with.
Attorney Herb Moncier says, "The sheriff's department cannot go into a persons house and evict them without legal process."
Moncier says Ross' husband Jimmie was in court Monday morning fighting his foreclosure.
Moncier says while Ross was there, Sevier County deputies were arriving at Ross's Lexington Place home.
But Moncier says, "It appears clear from that file that there was not a writ of possession."
In fact, court documents show, at the hearing Sevier County Judge Jeff Rader gave Ross 10 days more to appeal his case.
According to Sevierville Police, shortly after Sevier County deputies arrived at Ross's home, they heard a gunshot.
Police and deputies entered the home, and found Ross's wife 57 year old Pamela Ross suffering from a gunshot to the chest and a handgun on the ground beside her.
Sevierville Police are investigating the death as an apparent suicide.
Sevierville Police spokesman Bob Stahlke says, "Since the incident occurred within the city of Sevierville, our detectives have jurisdiction over that investigation."
Some neighbors I talked to say Pamela Ross's home meant everything to her. It was her dream home.
Neighbor Ruth Blakey says, "I know she really hated to leave that house. She did not want to leave that house."
Neighbor Cherry Derrick says, "I know that she was very happy in her home and the neighborhood."
Moncier is asking the district attorney's office for an autopsy to be performed on Ms. Ross.
We went to the Sheriff's Department both Wednesday and Thursday to get some answers from Sheriff Ron Seals. Repeated attempts to reach him have been unsuccessful.
Quote:Constitutional Duties of a Sheriff, by Richard Mack
And I thought all of that, and I started studying the Constitution way back -- and the importance of this book, its a short booklet, its thirty pages long, but its probably the most powerful thirty pages you'll read anywhere. It talks about my personal conversion to the Constitution. And did I say conversion? I said conversion, didn't I? It was a religious and spiritual experience for me. And it happened during the process, the biggest part of it was when I took a class -- taught by my mentor and friend and one of the most stalwart Constitutionalists on the face of this planet, when I attended his class called Constitutional Studies for Law Enforcement. You probably know who it is now -- Cleon Skousen -- W. Cleon Skousen. He was really famous for that, wasn't he? It didn't matter who he was talking to -- it was Constitutional Studies for Teachers or Constitutional Studies for Janitors, or Constitutional Studies for Cops, or Constitutional Studies for Cops Wives. It was all the same, he just named it to whoever he was teaching, but it was all the same class and it was always about the Constitution. And it talks about that in here, and how some things happened in my life that got me from being a numbers cop of just writing the tickets -- which I believe now is one of the greatest abuses of government that we have anywhere in our country. The revenue collection that happens because these guys wear a badge, called radar tickets, is an absolute outrage and abuse. It is a lark. We've got to change it.
Monday, October 13, 2008 2:57 AM
Monday, October 13, 2008 10:38 AM
Quote:Woman, 90, shoots herself moments before bailiffs repossess her home
Neighbours of a woman who tried to kill herself when she faced repossession of her home today spoke of homeowners' desperation as the U.S. presidential candidates battled for their votes.
Addie Polk, 90, shot herself in the chest moments before bailiffs were due to march her out of her house, after mortgage giant Fannie Mae hardened its approach to victims of the U.S. sub-prime mortgage crisis.
Ms Polk, now recovering in hospital, had taken out a 30-year mortgage four years ago for $45,620 - when her two-storey house in Akron, Ohio, was valued at $31,230. She had lived in the house for 38 years.
She placed her life insurance policy next to her keys in the neatly kept house and shot herself after being told the house would be repossessed as she could not keep up repayments.
She had told neighbours she could not afford to carry out repairs but no one in the small community knew the extent of her crisis.
Barack Obama and John McCain are campaigning in the state, a key battleground where either could now win.
Robert Dillon, 62, a friend who visited Ms Polk in hospital after she shot herself on October 1, said: '"She said that was a crazy thing to do. [I told her] that's crazy to you."'
Campaigners said her plight highlighted problems facing up to 40 per cent of US borrowers - or 20 million households - after lenders gave out impossibly high mortgages during the housing boom.
Fannie Mae, now under state control, has since dropped the repossession and said Ms Polk could remain in the home.
Monday, October 13, 2008 11:25 AM
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