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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why I'm Pro Vaccine, but Anti Vaccine Mandate

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-i-m-pro-vaccine-but-anti-vaccine
-mandate-opinion/ar-AAS1eef

Ryan T. Anderson is president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center and founding editor of the Public Discourse.

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To be sure, I am not saying that vaccination mandates are categorically wrong. Vaccination has the potential not only to protect your own health, but to protect others—and to advance the common good in a variety of ways. But support or opposition for a specific vaccine mandate depends on the specific facts: What is the risk of death or other serious harms with and without the vaccine? Who is most at risk? How much natural immunity already exists, and how long will vaccine protection last? What are the vaccine's side effects? Was the vaccine ethically produced? Are there other ways to reduce health risks? Are the mandate's goals well-defined? Is the mandate lawful? Does it respect religious, moral and medical conscientious objectors? How much social strife will result? One must weigh the costs and the benefits, with the burden of proof on the party trying to coerce others.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Omicron is spreading at lightning speed. Scientists are trying to figure out why

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



Why are all these vaccinated folk getting Covid?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:


But Britain setting up "field hospitals"? Seems like a publicity stunt by BoJo, the PM who may be facing a "no confidence" vote by his own party soon.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Why are all these vaccinated folk getting Covid?

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Originally posted by second:
...otherwise it's just sparkling covid

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USA 53,791,000+
India 34,799,691
Brazil 22,246,276

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries



401,000+ Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think it will work great for people who keep lining up for jabs and obediently wear their masks everyday even in places where there is no mask mandates.

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No harm in lying about the fact that it will somehow put an end to the virus.

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Meanwhile. I'm not ever wearing a mask, and I'm never getting a shot.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think it will work great for people who keep lining up for jabs and obediently wear their masks everyday even in places where there is no mask mandates.

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That woud be good enuf. And, depending on the wimz uv the virus, that will be everybody after all the denierz die off.

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You've drank far too much of your own Kool-Aid.

Nobody is dying off.

Well... we'll see what happens with the vaccine after they've tested it out on all of you and we go ten years into the future to see what they find out before the FDA usually approves any drugs when it's not being paid by Pfizer.

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No harm in lying about the fact that it will somehow put an end to the virus.

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It coud! The 'sumhow' iz simple and clearly explained.

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No. It never will go away. Everyone will get Covid. You're not even going to find a doctor or scientist among the furthest Leftist shills that will even tell you that it can be stopped anymore.

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Meanwhile. I'm not ever wearing a mask, and I'm never getting a shot.

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Az long az youre a hermit, youre safe.

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I go out all the time. I'm good.



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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Importantly, we also demonstrated that across the entire vaccinated population in England, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination was small compared to the risk following a positive severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) test[1]

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19
vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0.pdf

Although myocarditis and pericarditis were not observed as adverse events in coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine trials, there have been numerous reports of suspected cases following vaccination in the general population. We undertook
a self-controlled case series study of people aged 16 or older vaccinated for COVID-19 in England between 1 December 2020 and 24 August 2021 to investigate hospital admission or death from myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias in the 1–28 days following adenovirus (ChAdOx1, n = 20,615,911) or messenger RNA-based (BNT162b2, n = 16,993,389; mRNA-1273, n = 1,006,191) vaccines or a severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) positive test (n = 3,028,867). We found increased risks of myocarditis associated with the first dose of ChAdOx1 and BNT162b2 vaccines and the first and second doses of the mRNA-127 vaccine over the 1–28 days postvaccination period, and after a SARS-CoV-2 positive test. We estimated an extra two (95% confidence interval (CI) 0, 3), one (95% CI 0, 2) and six (95% CI 2, 8) myocarditis events per 1 million people vaccinated with ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively, in the 28 days following a first dose and an extra ten (95% CI 7, 11) myocarditis events per 1 million vaccinated in the 28 days after a second dose of mRNA-1273. This compares with an extra 40 (95% CI 38, 41) myocarditis events per 1 million patients in the 28 days following a SARS-CoV-2 positive test.
We also observed increased risks of pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test. Similar associations were not observed with any of the COVID-19 vaccines, apart from an increased risk of arrhythmia following a second dose of mRNA-1273. Subgroup analyses by age showed the increased risk of myocarditis associated with the two mRNA vaccines was present only in those younger than 40.

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It's nice to finally have 'per capita' figures for cardiac issues from vaccines v COVID-19 disease.

To summarize things with commonly used names:

The endpoint was "hospital admission or death from myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias", not any possibly temporary increase in a few test results, for example. In other words, the endpoint was serious heart events or death.

The observed time period was approximately one month after vaccination or infection.

The age range was 16yrs or older.

- ChAdOx1 = Oxford adenovirus vaccine
- BNT162b2 = Biontech/ Pfizer mRNA vaccine, 'Pfizer'
- mRNA-1273 = Moderna mRNA vaccine
- severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) positive test = severe COVID-19

All 4 groups had a study population of a minimum of a million.

All results are stated 'per million'.

Oxford
myocarditis
1st dose 2
2nd dose 0
pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias
1st dose 0
2nd dose 0

Pfizer
myocarditis
1st dose 1
2nd dose 0
pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias
1st dose 0
2nd dose 0

Moderna
myocarditis
1st dose 6
2nd dose 10
cardiac arrhythmias only
1st dose 0
2nd dose increased

severe COVID-19
myocarditis
within 30 days of test 40
pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias
increased


More information is at the link.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
428,000 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."

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428,000 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."

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Sumbudy coud interpret that to mean that Trump duznt dezerv any blame - that it wuz going to wash over America like a tidal wave no matter wut.

But thats rong.

He helped it spred here faster and begin community spred sooner. By the time Joe sat down behind the Rezolute Desk, the country wuz saturated with C19.

A competent respons woud hav kept it at a much lower level and possibly enabled effectiv contact trasing and containment wile the vax wuz being developed.

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The report states that EcoHealth Alliance approached DARPA in March 2018, seeking funding to conduct gain of function research of bat borne coronaviruses. The proposal, named Project Defuse, was rejected by DARPA over safety concerns and the notion that it violates the basis gain of function research moratorium.

According to the documents, NIAID, under the direction of Dr. Fauci, went ahead with the research in Wuhan, China and at several sites across the U.S.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nobody dies of Covid, so this is ultimately a pissing contest between two empty bladders.

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Originally posted by second:

make no use of intelligence

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The Supreme Court can’t get its story straight on vaccines

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Nobody dies of Covid, so this is ultimately a pissing contest between two empty bladders.

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6ix, it is actually a mortal sin to lie as you do.

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Omicron is spreading at lightning speed. Scientists are trying to figure out why

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Or maybe the Moronic variant is just the first side-effect of the vaccination.

You wouldn't have a fucking clue since The CDC keeps changing their estimates of who's got which one now.



If something bad is going to happen, it might as well be sooner than later.

At least I'd like to think that TPTB would put an immediate end to any vaccine mandates if people who were vaxxed started dropping like flies."

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've had covid 3 times. Nov 2019, Christmas 2020, Sept 2021.
Since the first time in Nov 2019, I have not had a cold or flu. I used to get one every year, mostly twice, once in spring and once in fall, dependent upon when the weather changed.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've had covid 3 times. Nov 2019, Christmas 2020, Sept 2021.
Since the first time in Nov 2019, I have not had a cold or flu. I used to get one every year, mostly twice, once in spring and once in fall, dependent upon when the weather changed.

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Did you test positive, or are you just assuming you had Covid?

BEFORE this whole thing started, the entire family got incredibly sick with something that was incredibly infectious. It might have been Covid, or it might not have been. Not assuming either way.

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]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... I just found out that my brother and his wife sold my niece out and forced her to take the jab last week so they wouldn't be inconvenienced and not be able to go on an upcoming cruise that requires them.

She developed Covid two days ago, after the vax, and gave it to my brother and his wife, both of whom have plenty of reasons not to want to have covid because of their lifestyle choices.

Hope the cruise was worth it. I hope they at least get to go on a cruise again.

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]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... I just found out that my brother and his wife sold my niece out and forced her to take the jab last week so they wouldn't be inconvenienced and not be able to go on an upcoming cruise that requires them.

She developed Covid two days ago, after the vax, and gave it to my brother and his wife, both of whom have plenty of reasons not to want to have covid because of their lifestyle choices.

Hope the cruise was worth it. I hope they at least get to go on a cruise again.

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I still don't understand your dismissal of the virus, and your fear of a vaccine that represents literally a fraction of the whole virus.

The good news is, if your brother and sister in law were vaccinated at least three weeks ago, then they are unlikely to get very ill. And if they caught Omicron, then the risk of serious illness is virtually non-existent.

Altho I'm sure you're convinced your niece's ears and nose will fall off some time in the future, or some such.

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