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Thursday, September 9, 2021 1:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/massive-foia-release-proves-fauci-f
unded-wuhan-research-construct-sars-related


chimeric virus is one which is made by combining bits of one virus with another.
This was explained in great detail by Chris Martenson, who highlighted the insertion very early in the pandemic.

DREAMTROVE: Thanks for joining me in crazytown. Yes, this is exactly what I think happened. In Chapel Hill it was called "gain of function" research. It was suspended in 2013, and then resurrected in 2018, though appears to have gone on in the interval anyway. After 2018 it fled to China, with all associated names being involved.

SIGNY: I don't live in Crazytown, DREAMTROVE.
I live in the real world.


DREAMTROVE: Me too, but you called me crazy

Nope, that was SIX.

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for suggesting the theory of the thing you just posted the evidence to because now that theory is fact. That's what it is like

everything is crazy until it's proven



You weren't here for it, but I've been posting for OVER A YEAR NOW that the virus looked like it had been deliberately altered, and Dr Martenson pointed out the exact insertion over a year ago that made this virus so different from its nearest bat relatives and so efficient at fusing with human cells.

It just seemed too much of a coincidence that the outbreak started in the same city where the research was being done. So I've had a strong suspicion for a long time that this was not a "natural" crossover; the idea was IMHO hogwash. And when the WHO "investiated" the Wuhan lab(s) and didn't ask for any research documentation, that viertually nailed the case for me. Now, instead of being 99% sure, I'm 100% sure.

"Gain of function" research can be done for offensive (weapons) purposes, for defensive purposes, or just for plain research.
But I never thought that the virus was released on purpose. Why would China shoot itself in the foot? Shit happens.

BTW, yes, you DID post that the vaccine was a bioweapon, more than once

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I strongly suspect though that it's covid, and that all the vaxed are carriers of a bioweapon

and the vax is just bioweapon version 2

I could dig out a few more quotes if I wanted to take the time.

Believe it or not, I take everything you post seriously enough to look into it. But I don't automatically believe everything you post.

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Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/massive-foia-release-proves-fauci-f
unded-wuhan-research-construct-sars-related


chimeric virus is one which is made by combining bits of one virus with another.
This was explained in great detail by Chris Martenson, who highlighted the insertion very early in the pandemic.

DREAMTROVE: Thanks for joining me in crazytown. Yes, this is exactly what I think happened. In Chapel Hill it was called "gain of function" research. It was suspended in 2013, and then resurrected in 2018, though appears to have gone on in the interval anyway. After 2018 it fled to China, with all associated names being involved.

SIGNY: I don't live in Crazytown, DREAMTROVE.
I live in the real world.


DREAMTROVE: Me too, but you called me crazy

Nope, that was SIX.




I don't think I ever used the word crazy.

I'm 50/50 he's a rabid pro-vaxxer that's trying to look as crazy as possible to discredit anyone who doesn't want the vax though.

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Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Looks like the "science" the CDC used when going back to recommending that everyone wear masks regardless of vaccination status is Teacher's Unions.

OPPS.

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Thursday, September 9, 2021 11:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Australia: We're locking unvaccinated out of the economy.



US: Jimmy Kimmel tells his small brain-dead audience that anyone who isn't vaccinated shouldn't get healthcare.



Meanwhile...

Fauchi: Lied.



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Thursday, September 9, 2021 8:50 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

[]Originally posted by SIGNYM:


You weren't here for it, but I've been posting for OVER A YEAR NOW that the virus looked like it had been deliberately altered, and Dr Martenson pointed out the exact insertion over a year ago that made this virus so different from its nearest bat relatives and so efficient at fusing with human cells.



yes. I'm not being antagonist toward you, not even a little bit. I actually meant that in complete comraderie. We're all crazy to the normies.

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It just seemed too much of a coincidence that the outbreak started in the same city where the research was being done. So I've had a strong suspicion for a long time that this was not a "natural" crossover; the idea was IMHO hogwash. And when the WHO "investiated" the Wuhan lab(s) and didn't ask for any research documentation, that viertually nailed the case for me. Now, instead of being 99% sure, I'm 100% sure.

yeah, it's sus af

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"Gain of function" research can be done for offensive (weapons) purposes, for defensive purposes, or just for plain research.
But I never thought that the virus was released on purpose. Why would China shoot itself in the foot? Shit happens.

BTW, yes, you DID post that the vaccine was a bioweapon, more than once



Yes, and it is. And the thing is, I'm sure Fauci was making a vaccine also, btu for a disease which did not exisrt in humans, and also making the disease, it's the perfect scam. you have to buy the product or die

That's why I'm not 100% on my anti vax, at risk people, the elderly and immuno compromise, should get it, if it works. but better science will come. that's just copping to the scam of course, but if it worked it worked, and the future will suck
Quote:

I could dig out a few more quotes if I wanted to take the time.
Believe it or not, I take everything you post seriously enough to look into it. But I don't automatically believe everything you post.


Thanks. Yes, that's what I was saying to JSF about the non connection of HIV AIDS

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So I care here to post a health update, but it's personal, so not here

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Thursday, September 9, 2021 8:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


IMHO DREAMTROVE is entirely sincere.

He's been PIRATENEWS-ish in the past. But I take what he posts seriously, just like I took PN's, bc sometimes you need someone whose thinking is so far out of the box that they can see what we have literally been trained NOT to see.

This is not the fill in the blank that you're looking for

We're ALL under that spell. Some of us more than others.

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Thursday, September 9, 2021 9:01 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IMHO DREAMTROVE is entirely sincere.

He's been PIRATENEWS-ish in the past. But I take what he posts seriously, just like I took PN's, bc sometimes you need someone whose thinking is so far out of the box that they can see what we have literally been trained NOT to see.

This is not the fill in the blank that you're looking for

We're ALL under that spell. Some of us more than others.

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Thanks

yeah, as I said I'm part piratenews because of this place. and part antimason, part fremdfirma, part cantakesky, part chrisiall, part auraptor, and part syngym, and others. Because I do take people's take here seriously and everyone is a little unorthodox.

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Thursday, September 9, 2021 9:26 PM

JO753

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In the https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067525/ Omega Man, the survivorz hav palid blueish skin, wite hair & pupilz and they are nuts. They eventually die from the jerm warfare "cilli" that usually killed in minits and wiped out nearly everybody, probably ending our current sivilization.

Here in this timeline, its 2 seperate pathojenz that are working together to wipe us out.

They are both virusez. The 1st virus infects the mind uv the victimz. Like a computer virus it haz no fizikl atributes. It iz made uv malojik* and false information. The second iz an airborn virus that findz fertile ground in groups uv peepl infected with the 1st virus.

Seperately, they can do plenty uv damaje to sosiety. Together, they can end sivilization.


* I'm coining a new word 'malojik' for lojik thats enjineered spesificly to harm peepl'z brain function az oppozed to ordinary unintentional natural bad lojik.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 12:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Fuck your vaccine and your fake news, JO.

Hopefully your dick doesn't fall off.



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Friday, September 10, 2021 12:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


https://www.ft.com/content/d9eb2e1f-965f-462c-bfcd-ca4339cb5ca9?segmen
tId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9


Fuckin' fascist.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 1:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Four years of incorrectly using the word fascist, and dipshit dumbass Democrats don't even recognize an actual fascist at work.

I weep for humanity.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 2:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
In the https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067525/ Omega Man, the survivorz hav palid blueish skin, wite hair & pupilz and they are nuts. They eventually die from the jerm warfare "cilli" that usually killed in minits and wiped out nearly everybody, probably ending our current sivilization.

Here in this timeline, its 2 seperate pathojenz that are working together to wipe us out.

They are both virusez. The 1st virus infects the mind uv the victimz. Like a computer virus it haz no fizikl atributes. It iz made uv malojik* and false information.

We're all infected with it, some of us more so than others.

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The second iz an airborn virus that findz fertile ground in groups uv peepl infected with the 1st virus. Seperately, they can do plenty uv damaje to sosiety. Together, they can end sivilization.
This particular airborne virus is not dangerous enuf to end society. It's the unrealistic responses (like prolonged lockdowns and yet *more* disinformation from the M$M AND the reactive alt media) that's doing us in.


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* I'm coining a new word 'malojik' for lojik thats enjineered spesificly to harm peepl'z brain function az oppozed to ordinary unintentional natural bad lojik.
Nice word. There IS a distinction between disinformation and "bad programing".

We certainly have had more than our share of both shoved into our brains lately.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 10:02 AM

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Friday, September 10, 2021 10:18 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Biden demands US companies introduce vaccine mandates
https://www.ft.com/content/d9eb2e1f-965f-462c-bfcd-ca4339cb5ca9?segmen
tId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9


Fuckin' fascist.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Four years of incorrectly using the word fascist, and dipshit dumbass Democrats don't even recognize an actual fascist at work.

I weep for humanity.

Too bad, 6ix, but since you don't pay any income tax, why should government listen to your whiny complaints? In total, about 60.6 percent of households paid no federal income taxes.
https://taxfoundation.org/us-households-paying-no-income-tax/

And on a day-to-day basis, many more than the 60.6% of Americans who don't pay taxes also make approximately zero contribution to society. By that I mean if they didn't come to work or if they stayed home living as recluses for a month or forever, there would be no noticeable difference after a brief, less than a week, adjustment in other peoples' lives.

I look forward to millions of Trump voters learning the horrifying truth that quitting their jobs because they would rather not be vaccinated makes no long-term difference in the world of work. Work will go on without them:

Meanwhile, Republicans Lose Their Minds Over Biden’s Employer Vaccine Mandate. Republicans are talking 'bout freedom again.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/09/republicans-ballistic-bide
n-employer-covid-vaccine-mandate.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, September 10, 2021 10:52 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That is such a stupid argument. They never listened when I did pay income tax. They never listen to you either.

Everybody is replaceable.



There are also consequences for your actions. That's a lesson that some people are about to find out.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 11:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/09/10/exasperated_bide
n_shifts_from_carrot_to_stick_146387.html


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“This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” he said, “and it’s caused by the fact that despite America having an unprecedented and successful vaccination program, despite the fact that for almost five months free vaccines have been available in 80,000 different locations, we still have nearly 80 million Americans who have failed to get the shot.”


We didn't fail anything, Joe*. We refuse.

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He scolded the unvaccinated: “Our patience is wearing thin and your refusal has cost all of us.” He dared Republican governors to try and stop him: “If these governors won’t help us beat the pandemic, I’ll use my power as president to get them out of the way.”


Facist.

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While president-elect, Biden was asked about mandatory vaccinations just weeks after the first successful vaccine trials were announced. “No, I don’t think it should be mandatory. I wouldn’t demand it be mandatory,” he said in December, adding, “But I would do everything in my power — just like I don’t think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide — I will do everything in my power as president of the United States to encourage people to do the right thing.”


And a hypocrite.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 11:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Meanwhile...

Fauchi: Lied.





And the Administration* can't fuckin' run out of the room quick enough whenever reporters start asking questions.

And man, is she an ugly broad too.

Remember that gorgeous, well spoken creature that used to be the press secretary? There's probably tens of thousands of hours of her answering questions from the press over the previous 4 years.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 3:32 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Huckabie? She looks like a human/cow hybrid experiment to me.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 4:06 PM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM: This particular airborne virus is not dangerous enuf to end society.


Too many variablez to say. It coud still mutate to be far dedlier. (The orijinal SARS had a 9% fatality rate!)

But it may not need to get dedlier. Az per my theory, the 2 virusez will conspire to bring us down by degrading the connective tissuez uv society.

Its happening now with all the trumptard antivax antimask antiany-defensiv-measure ijits helping C19 proliferate. The hospitalz are being overworked. shutdownz are hobbling the economy. returants and liesure companyz are going under. The goverments cant print fake money forever.

All C19 haz to do iz keep up this pase and eventually the accumulating damaj
will be too much uv a burden and the entire shebang will collapse.

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It's the unrealistic responses (like prolonged lockdowns and yet *more* disinformation from the M$M AND the reactive alt media) that's doing us in.


See?! Even relativly reazonable peepl can float that notion with a strate fase. It only helps the virus!

The defensiv action hurts, so you stop, but then the attacker gets to hit harder. Cach-22.

If you must hav a 100 pound shield to defend yourself, the attakr only needz to wait till your armz get tired.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 4:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



The economy has recovered from far worse in the past. But like a tree that's withstood multiple droughts and multiple insect attacks, it may not have enough reserves at this point.

But that we did that to ourselves. It's not the strength of the virus that could do us in, at least, not in its current form. And it's not the means to defend ourselves from the virus either. It's the existing damage we're carrying that we've already done to ourselves.

Here's an example: I was listening on the radio to something weird going on, on my way in to work, on September 11, 2001. When I got to work, of course everyone was riveted by what was going on. (And btw, the people I worked with are so smart they had it figured out in under 5 minutes ...why crash planes into buildings, why choose planes loaded with fuel for cross-country flights to crash into buildings, why the Twin Towers and the Pentagon ... and so on.)

All the while I was thinking to myself - we're a big country. The damage itself is minuscule compared to the economy. We can recover, we can learn, and come out stronger. This can't ultimately hurt us.

And then ... we invaded Afghanistan, right when the Taliban had offered to turn bin Laden over to the ICC. Why Afghanistan? I wondered to myself. It had nothing to do with 9/11. It offered to turn bin Laden over to the ICC. That seemed more than sufficient to get justice.

And a mere months later, despite that 95% of the country was so hot to smoke bin Laden, and without even killing or capturing him, or even laying eyes on him, the entire country was intentionally pivoted - which it did swiftly and frictionlessly - to Iraq. I was amazed - and I'm still amazed to this day. It's like the entire country had collectively and all at once become untethered to its memories from a mere few months earlier, and 9/11, and the reason why we started a war at all.

So here we are 21 TRILLION dollars later, gone with only bad results from all that spending, and oh, let's not forget death and destruction and ongoing costs as a result.

We did that to ourselves.

We weakened ourselves.

And that's only one example of the damage we've done to ourselves as a country.

Can the country survive COVID-19? Maybe. Probably. But not necessarily in good shape. But it's not about COVID-19. It's about the fact that we've deeply weakened ourselves.


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Friday, September 10, 2021 5:23 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:


So here we are 21 TRILLION dollars later, gone with only bad results from all that spending, and oh, let's not forget death and destruction and ongoing costs as a result.

We did that to ourselves.

We weakened ourselves.

And that's only one example of the damage we've done to ourselves as a country.

This was written February 25, 2002:

Bin Laden’s secret strategy is to prod the United States into bankruptcy. This is not a short-term strategy. Osama bin Laden and his supporters around the world are digging in for the long haul, waiting for the day when the United States can no longer afford the war on terrorism and begins to wilt under the weight of unilateralism.

Bin Laden has spoken of his successful campaign against the Soviet Union. The mujahedin kicked the Soviet army out of Afghanistan and, they believe, caused the demise of the empire. In those days, bin Laden and Ronald Reagan were strategic bedfellows. They expected the Soviets to be defeated militarily. The mujahedin tested this theory on the ground. While the Reagan administration contributed to this effort with weapons and training, it was also simultaneously waging a campaign of economic warfare. Ronald Reagan engaged the Soviet Union in a budget-busting arms race designed to bankrupt its rival superpower.

Bin Laden has apparently absorbed the Reagan strategy. It is difficult to know whether he really thought that a handful of terrorist acts would hobble the United States or that al Qaeda and the Taliban could defeat the U.S. and its allies in Afghanistan. What he must have anticipated, however, was the predictable U.S. response: to throw money at the Pentagon.

The Bush administration has obliged by lifting defense spending into the stratosphere.

More at https://ips-dc.org/osama_bin_ladens_secret_strategy/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, September 10, 2021 5:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I've read that before. Since no one can interview bin Laden, and he left no writings behind, and no statements about his secret heart, all thoughts on his intentions are speculation.

What the mujaheddin had v the USSR was lots covert US help. But it would have no help v the US. Tactically, that makes the 2 situations unlike each other. And it would all depend on the US getting into Afghanistan and staying in Afghanistan, despite the country having no resource or strategic value. And that makes any hypothetically intended future 'victory' tenuous.

But the US did blunder into Afghanistan (btw with the yea votes of a majority of democratic* Senators) ... and stay in (with the agreement of a majority of democratic* Senators) ... and expand to Iraq (with the agreement of a majority of democratic* Senators) ... and that probably wasn't on bin Laden's radar at all.

If the US had limited itself to Afghanistan, I think we'd be in far better shape economically.


But Afghanistan and Iraq aren't the only 2 US policy pieces of crap that hurt the country. There are plenty of others.


So, to tie this back in to COVID-19 - the US has taken plenty of self-inflicted hits that have weakened it deeply. That makes it less likely the US will comes out of COVID-19 in reasonable shape.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 5:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The US will be fine.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 6:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I've read that before. Since no one can interview bin Laden, and he left no writings behind, and no statements about his secret heart, all thoughts on his intentions are speculation.

You are incorrect:

Bin Laden’s worldview and the thinking behind the 9/11 attack are laid bare in a trove of internal communications that were recovered in May 2011, when U.S. special operations forces killed bin Laden during a raid on the compound in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad where he had spent his final years hiding.

More at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-08-13/osama-b
in-ladens-911-catastrophic-success


Bin Laden’s Letter to the American People

I would like to say that your war with us is the longest war in your history and the most expensive for you financially. As for us, we see it as being only halfway finished. If you were to ask your wise thinkers, they would tell you that there is no way to win it because the indications are against it. How will you win a war whose leaders are pessimistic and whose soldiers are committing suicide? If fear enters the hearts of men, winning the war becomes impossible. How will you win a war whose cost is like a hurricane blowing violently at your economy and weakening your dollar?

The Bush administration got you into these wars on the premise that they were vital to your security. He promised that it would be a quick war, won within six days or six weeks; however, six years have passed, and they are still promising you victory and not achieving it. Then Obama came and delayed the withdrawal that he had promised you by 16 more months. He promised you victory in Afghanistan and set a date for withdrawal from there. Six months later, Petraeus came to you once again with the number six, requesting that the withdrawal be delayed six months beyond the date that had been set. All the while you continue to bleed in Iraq and Afghanistan. You are wading into a war with no end in sight on the horizon and which has no connection to your security . . .

More at https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/20/heres-osama-bin-ladens-letter-to-
the-american-people
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Friday, September 10, 2021 6:09 PM

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Bin Laden was just a photoshop job of Scottie Pippen.

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Friday, September 10, 2021 6:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




You claimed that bin Laden's intent for September 11, 2001 was to
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prod the United States into bankruptcy.
And then you posted a link that debunked your claim.
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The 9/11 attack was intended to “break the fear of this false god and destroy the myth of American invincibility.”
Thanks for proving yourself wrong and doing my job for me.




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Friday, September 10, 2021 7:02 PM

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SIGNYM: This particular airborne virus is not dangerous enuf to end society.

JO753: Too many variablez to say. It coud still mutate to be far dedlier. (The orijinal SARS had a 9% fatality rate!)

True. Coronaviruses, being single-stranded, have a high mutation rate. And since the most infectious viruses outcompete others, evolutionary pressures will ensure a drift towards greater infectiousness. But infectiousness doesn't mean deadliness.

Also, note that I said THIS virus. THIS virus is not a society-killer, unless we shoot ourselves in the foot trying to kill it.

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JO753:But it may not need to get dedlier. Az per my theory, the 2 virusez will conspire to bring us down by degrading the connective tissuez uv society.

Its happening now with all the trumptard antivax antimask antiany-defensiv-measure ijits helping C19 proliferate. The hospitalz are being overworked. shutdownz are hobbling the economy. returants and liesure companyz are going under. The goverments cant print fake money forever.

All C19 haz to do iz keep up this pase and eventually the accumulating damaj
will be too much uv a burden and the entire shebang will collapse.

You bring up many good points. Our response to the virus is overly politicized, chaotic, and deeply dyfunctional on BOTH sides.

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SIGNY: It's the unrealistic responses (like prolonged lockdowns and yet *more* disinformation from the M$M AND the reactive alt media) that's doing us in.

JO753: See?! Even relativly reazonable peepl can float that notion with a strate fase. It only helps the virus!
The defensiv action hurts, so you stop, but then the attacker gets to hit harder. Cach-22.


You can't rely on lockdowns forever. First of all, unless we have COMPLETE control of our borders (HA!) it simply WILL NOT WORK. And even if we had good border control, like Australia and New Zealand ... they've relied on lockdowns and they STILL pop up with the virus every now and again which causes another lockdown!

I support the use of lockdowns as a circuit-breaker, but certainly not to be used for more than a month or two, until we can get a better handle on how a virus behaves and how we can control its spread.


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JO753: If you must hav a 100 pound shield to defend yourself, the attakr only needz to wait till your armz get tired.


But we don't NEED a 100-lb shield. The infection fatality rate for THIS virus (even the delta version) is somewhere around 0.07% for people younger than 45. And the younger you get, the lower the IFR until it becomes vanishingly small.

It is a deadly disease for the young obese, and the older you get, the deadlier it becomes, until you reach an IFR of about 10% for males in the 80+ age group.


https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-se
x-and-age-15163


So, fighting THIS virus means protecting a vulnerable subgroup, not the entire peopulaiton

This is not like an Ebola outbreak with an IFR of around 90pct.

IF we were fighting a virus that deadly, all kinds of measures would be necessary.

But as of now, the problem is that nobody trusts ANY government, either Dem or Rep in, to take practical,measured steps to combat the virus. And thanks to that well-deserved lack of trust in government and the media, all kinds of whacky conspiracy theories are rooting in the American blogosphere.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:


You claimed that bin Laden's intent for September 11, 2001 was to
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prod the United States into bankruptcy.
And then you posted a link that debunked your claim.
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The 9/11 attack was intended to “break the fear of this false god and destroy the myth of American invincibility.”
Thanks for proving yourself wrong and doing my job for me.




Your logic is that bin Laden wrote several different times about America but each time wasn't a carbon copy of the previous times therefore all his writing is self-contradictory. Well, I find it impossible to argue with your airtight logic from your giant brain, 1kiki.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, September 10, 2021 8:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



You were addressing what bin Laden INTENDED with 9/11 by referring to some made up bullshit from 2002. It turns out that, when compared to his statements of what he actually INTENDED with 9/11, you and your bullshit were wrong.

What he INTENDED, as he clearly states in your link, was a global Muslim awakening to the possibility of global jihad.

That bin Laden later reflected on 9/11 with the experience of hindsight and came to a conclusion that what he INTENDED didn't work out (which he clearly states), but what happened was the economic weakening of the US (which he also clearly states), doesn't negate that his early intentions were not what your bullshit claimed they were.


Tap dance as fast as you can! ... while you keep shooting yourself in the foot.




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What Biden's vaccine mandate is really doing is giving cover to businesses that wanted to do this anyway. Until now, these businesses risked looking partisan if they mandated vaccines, but now they can simply say that it's the law and they have no choice. It lets them off the hook for making the decision.

And what will companies do to employees who refuse to get vaccinated or tested? I assume every company will decide for itself, but again, I think it's beside the point. What's important is that there are lots of people who will do something merely because it's "officially required." We saw the same thing with the Obamacare mandate: the fine didn't really matter. The mere fact that insurance became legally required was enough to make most people comply, even if they grumbled about it. It may not seem like it sometimes, but Americans really are mostly pretty law-abiding folks.

So that's that. The mandate gives cover to businesses and a quasi-legal mandate to individuals. But what's most important is that the message it sends—we're finally serious about this—should be enough to get a lot more people vaccinated regardless of its eventual legal status.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, September 10, 2021 8:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Anyway, back to COVID-19 and the current state of the US economy.

Certainly the war in Afghanistan and a larger war in Iraq and their combined 22 TRILLION spending with no benefit to the US is something that weakened the US considerably, and which I believe is putting the US in a position where it may not be able to recover from COVID-19 in a good state.

In fact, my contention is that the US was in a precarious state already, even without COVID-19.

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Every country has Covid skeptics, anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. The United States is hardly the only place where some people are afraid of vaccines, angry at pandemic restrictions, open to wild conspiracy theories, and distrustful of experts. But there's one key reason why the world's wealthiest nation, home to many of the planet's top public health experts, is the red-hot bubbling epicenter of a pandemic that just won't quit.

The US is one of a few major countries where the people pushing against common-sense measures hold positions of power, where they can shape policy, influence large swaths of the population, and weaponize the pandemic for their own political benefit. (In Brazil, another place where this has happened, President Jair Bolsonaro faces investigations for his pandemic shenanigans and their catastrophic consequences).

Some in the Republican Party have turned the coronavirus crisis into the vehicle they hope will propel them to new political heights. It's a cynical game. If Biden fails to contain the pandemic, their hope is that they can use that failure to gain control of Congress in the 2022 midterm elections and pave the way for a Republican president in 2024.

After Biden revealed his six-step plan against the still raging pandemic, which includes vaccines mandates, Fox News slammed him as an "authoritarian," and Republican officials vowed to fight his new mandates in court. It was another battle in their campaign to defeat Biden by undercutting America's public health efforts.

Evidence of this strategy was visible at the Conservative Political Action Conference in July, when the crowds cheered after a speaker said the US government failed to "sucker" people into getting vaccinated. (Biden wanted to get 70% of the population vaccinated with at least one shot by July 4, a goal the US reached a month later). Imagine that -- they were effectively cheering for the virus.

Meanwhile, individual politicians are focused on advancing their own careers. It seems people like Florida's Gov. Ron DeSantis, Texas' Gov. Greg Abbott, and others, are trying to outdo each other with measures that defy common sense. One could be forgiven for thinking they want the virus to win.

Their goal is to try to emerge as the heirs to former President Donald Trump, who pushed against the guidance of public health experts, motivated at least in part, no doubt, by fears of what pandemic restrictions might do to the economy, and hence to his reelection prospects. Trump also urged his followers to take on Democratic governors who were desperately trying to keep hospitals and morgues from overflowing with Covid victims. "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!" and "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!" he tweeted in all caps, among many other inflammatory and harmful exhortations.

It seems his would-be heirs took note of the way Trump's bravado appealed to his followers, so now they are taking up the mantle to look tough . . .

More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/10/opinions/republicans-weaponized-covid-1
9-pandemic-ghitis/index.html


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Ha ha.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-mask-mandate-florida-ban-upheld-202
1-09-10
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I hope Biden's* got some lube. That vaccine mandate by proxy he just pulled is going to get rammed up his ass.

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SIGNYM

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Originally posted by second:
Every country has Covid skeptics, anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. The United States is hardly the only place where some people are afraid of vaccines, angry at pandemic restrictions, open to wild conspiracy theories, and distrustful of experts. But there's one key reason why the world's wealthiest nation, home to many of the planet's top public health experts, is the red-hot bubbling epicenter of a pandemic that just won't quit.

Actually, that's not true. If you look at per-capita cases and deaths, the USA is about the middle of the pack. Some nations, like Luxemburg and Belgium, had huge caseloads early. Others, like Israel managed to avoid the early virus but got nailed by delta, even with high vaccination rates. Same thing with deaths. Spain, UK, Luxemburg, Belgium, Sweden etc had higher death rates early. I think because they had widespread infection, they may now have a resistant population.

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The US is one of a few major countries where the people pushing against common-sense measures hold positions of power, where they can shape policy, influence large swaths of the population, and weaponize the pandemic for their own political benefit. (In Brazil, another place where this has happened, President Jair Bolsonaro faces investigations for his pandemic shenanigans and their catastrophic consequences).
There are widespread demonstrations against "vaccine passports", continued lockdowns, and mandatory vaccinations across the globe.
Sweden had some control measures, but is lifting them.
So is Denmark
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/27/denmark-to-lift-all-rema
ining-covid-restrictions-on-10-september

Japan NEVER had a hard lockdown, and can't actually enforce one. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/lockdowns-vaccines-pacific-nat
ions-diverging-paths-79584515



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Some in the Republican Party have turned the coronavirus crisis into the vehicle they hope will propel them to new political heights. It's a cynical game. If Biden fails to contain the pandemic, their hope is that they can use that failure to gain control of Congress in the 2022 midterm elections and pave the way for a Republican president in 2024.

After Biden revealed his six-step plan against the still raging pandemic,

If you look at the latest case rates in the USA, they are falling SHARPLY. Death rates will soon follow. Perhaps we have reached "herd immunity" wth a combination of previous infection and vaccination. If Republicans are counting on Biden* losing the battle with Covid, they may be disappointed

Biden's* mandate, however, may leave him with egg on his face if the "emergency" disappears, as it seems to be doing at the moment.

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which includes vaccines mandates, Fox News slammed him as an "authoritarian," and Republican officials vowed to fight his new mandates in court. It was another battle in their campaign to defeat Biden by undercutting America's public health efforts.
Vaccine mandate is NOT, IMHO, a "public health issue". The current vaccine is pretty good at protecting against serious disease, but not so good at preventing transmission. Forcing someone else to get a vaccine to keep ME healthy doesn't work because that's not how the vaccine works. The vulnerable should be vaccinated, and if necessary take further precautions ... such as limiting exposure and wearing an N95 in public. Elder-care facilities need to be extra-vigilant about isolation techniques.

Natural infection confers longer-lasting and more robust resistance to disease. From a purely SELFISH POV, I want everyone who does not want to be vaccinated to go out and get infected as quickly as possible. That way, they will either be dead (unlikely) or be more resistant to the NEXT variant that rolls around and I, as a result, will be protected.

I will, of course, be standing in line for the latest vaccine against the latest variant, which is what I would recommend for ANYONE my age.

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Evidence of this strategy was visible at the Conservative Political Action Conference in July, when the crowds cheered after a speaker said the US government failed to "sucker" people into getting vaccinated. (Biden wanted to get 70% of the population vaccinated with at least one shot by July 4, a goal the US reached a month later). Imagine that -- they were effectively cheering for the virus.
I repeat my earlier comment to JO753: the infection fatality rate is vanishingly small for young people. WHY should someone be vaccinated against a disease that will probably not make them very sick, with a vaccine that doesn't effectively eliminate transmission?

There might be SOME benefit to near-universal vaccination, but that nations that tried it - Israel and Iceland spring to mind - are now seeing high caseloads (not deaths, however) because the vaccine wore off and their population as a whole is currently naive to the disease.

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Meanwhile, individual politicians are focused on advancing their own careers. It seems people like Florida's Gov. Ron DeSantis, Texas' Gov. Greg Abbott, and others, are trying to outdo each other with measures that defy common sense. One could be forgiven for thinking they want the virus to win.
One cannot forgive this politicized presentation of the situation, however.

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Their goal is to try to emerge as the heirs to former President Donald Trump, who pushed against the guidance of public health experts, motivated at least in part, no doubt, by fears of what pandemic restrictions might do to the economy, and hence to his reelection prospects. Trump also urged his followers to take on Democratic governors who were desperately trying to keep hospitals and morgues from overflowing with Covid victims. "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!" and "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!" he tweeted in all caps, among many other inflammatory and harmful exhortations.

It seems his would-be heirs took note of the way Trump's bravado appealed to his followers, so now they are taking up the mantle to look tough ...



Are Dems trying to fix the problem without killing the economy, or are they just interested in making political points?

Lockdowns - with open borders - are a sick joke.
Masking with paper masks is mostly ineffective.

I went thru the whole pandemic (so far) with N95s that I had on-hand, and didn't get sick. If I were a government official, I would make sure that all emergency and medical personnel and carers, and the vulnerable population, had enough masks to see them thru the next variant, assuming there is one.

In addition, vaccine-makers need to keep up with the variants that are popping up around the world, so that if one develops that it TRULY vaccine-resistant, a new vaccine can be mobilized quickly.

And finally, we need some real studies on ivermectin, and higher production of monoclonal antibodies to protect those who get really sick from "cytokine storm".

Just do away with vaccine mandates and lockdowns. People who want to protect themselves will stay away from crowded venues and get vaccinated.

In order to gain the trust of people again, the DNC, media, and big pharma need to approach this pragmatically. That way, if shit REALLY hits the fan ... say, we're facing a pandemic with an IFR of 10% across-the-board... people will be more likely to cooperate with necessary measures.


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Deaths 669,197 + 1, sad and unnecessary.

‘It Took Her So Fast’: 4-Year-Old Texas Preschooler Dies of COVID Within Hours of First Symptoms

A Texas preschooler died of COVID-19 this week within hours of a fever first coming on, her family says. Kali Cook, 4, died in her sleep early Tuesday morning, about five hours after she was found to have a fever, her mother Karra Harwood told the Houston Chronicle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/it-took-her-so-fast-4-year-old-texas
-preschooler-dies-of-covid-within-hours-of-first-symptoms/ar-AAOjvUp?ocid=msedgntp




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Getting the vaccine can still feel like an act of treason

CNN had come to Carter County, in the Ozark Mountains, in October 2020, when coronavirus was starting to hit rural America. At the time, the debate was over masks, and it was very political. "We sit in the coffee shop and we see someone wearing a mask and we think: Democrat," Brian Keathley said last fall, weeks before he got the virus.

CNN came back in August to see what had changed since last fall and what hadn't -- and why, if people here personally knew so many people who got sick, just 27% of the county is fully vaccinated.

"I had both shots of the vaccine, and people just acted like, 'Oh, it doesn't help,'" Cheryl Wetton said. "It bothers me sometimes that people act like Covid is a big joke. I always want to say, 'Well, why don't you just come right up here to the cemetery, and I'll show you my husband's grave? And I can show you it's no joke.'"

Wetton actually did say that to a guy in town, she later confirmed. "He just got real quiet."

There was "no way" Tara Chitwood would get the vaccine. Her mom had gotten vaccinated, she said, and got sick anyway. "I've survived this long," Chitwood said, and then expressed a fatalism we heard a lot: She was going to die of something, eventually.

"Nobody died for a long time, so it's taken a while for people to get serious," Jim Rodebush said. The Delta variant is what made it more serious. "It spread so fast. We've had, I guess, 15 people die here." (It is now 16 in Carter County.)
Rodebush's wife Ruth fought cancer for 12 years, he said. Covid-19 killed her in eight days. She died July 20, 2021. "I talked to her up until the Sunday before she died," Rodebush said. "She said, 'This is bad, I think you all need to get the shot.' And I think she's right."

Neither had been vaccinated. Ruth had said her doctor had told her not to get the vaccine because of her chemo, Rodebush said. "I was pretty skeptical of it until I watched all this happen," he said. Now, he plans to get the shot.

When Ruth was dying, the hospital called at about 2:30 a.m., so Rodebush and his son went to see her. The Covid-19 ward was eerie -- dark, everyone in protective gear, the patients on ventilators, which he knew was the end of the line.

"There's nothing good about it," he said. "I don't ever want to go back in one."
They'd watched our 2020 story for CNN, and he thought it was "bullsh*t." He knew everyone in the video -- every single one of them. At the time, he thought they were wrong about masks, but now it was more visceral. "Those boys sitting in the coffee shop don't know what they're talking about when they're talking about Covid. They need to walk through the Covid ward. That'll change your mind. Just stay a day there. See how you like it. It's a different story then."

In Missouri, as well as in Arkansas and Tennessee, many people have said they're at peace with the possibility they could die from Covid-19 because they know they're right with God. "If I lose the battle to it, I know where I'm going. I get to go the heavens," Brandon Helvey said. And Tom Wilder said, "I believe if the good Lord wants me right now, it doesn't matter if I take a vaccine or I don't. If he wants me to go, he's going to take me."

This kind of "fatalism" usually melts away, Dr. Chris Cochran said, with the intimacy of a one-on-one visit to his office, Cochran said. But what remains is peer pressure to not get vaccinated. "People have banded together for security, like people do in any crisis," he said. But bad information had been introduced to those circles, and attempts to correct it had made them close tighter.

"It's a real, severe, heavy peer pressure in their church, in their family, in their friend group, in their Facebook friend group, whatever," Cochran said. "People are so pressured not to get vaccinated by their group that it is, to them, somewhat of a treasonous act."

Patients have asked if they can get vaccinated in secret. "We can sneak one in your arm wherever you need to do it," Cochran said. The hospital has them drive over to its pharmacy parking lot, as if for something else, and staff "jab them in the arm while they're sitting in their car."

More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/us/ozarks-missouri-covid-vaccine/index.
html


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Saturday, September 11, 2021 8:33 AM

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Deaths 669,197 + 1, sad and unnecessary.

‘It Took Her So Fast’: 4-Year-Old Texas Preschooler Dies of COVID Within Hours of First Symptoms

A Texas preschooler died of COVID-19 this week within hours of a fever first coming on, her family says. Kali Cook, 4, died in her sleep early Tuesday morning, about five hours after she was found to have a fever, her mother Karra Harwood told the Houston Chronicle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/it-took-her-so-fast-4-year-old-texas
-preschooler-dies-of-covid-within-hours-of-first-symptoms/ar-AAOjvUp?ocid=msedgntp






You're fucking gross Ted.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 1:14 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Deaths 669,197 + 1, sad and unnecessary.

‘It Took Her So Fast’: 4-Year-Old Texas Preschooler Dies of COVID Within Hours of First Symptoms

A Texas preschooler died of COVID-19 this week within hours of a fever first coming on, her family says. Kali Cook, 4, died in her sleep early Tuesday morning, about five hours after she was found to have a fever, her mother Karra Harwood told the Houston Chronicle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/it-took-her-so-fast-4-year-old-texas
-preschooler-dies-of-covid-within-hours-of-first-symptoms/ar-AAOjvUp?ocid=msedgntp




A young child dying of Covid is tragic, for sure, but it's also rare. And to die THAT quickly means something truly unique happened. Maybe she had an unknown heart defect, or developed septic shock bc in my experience those are the only things that can take someone out that fast. (I've known two people who died of septic shock - one was hubby's surgeon and another was a guy who worked for me- and it began with an inconsequnetial infection that killed them in one and two days, respectively.)

But using the death of one child to score points is just gross. More children die in car accidents. What are you going to do about THAT, THGR?

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There is some dispute whether the delta version of SARS-CoV2 has a higher infection fatality rate (IFR). For sure, it spreads at least twice as fast so more people get sick overall. I tried looking up it's IFR. Some say it's so far indistinguishable from the original version

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/there-is-no-evidence-that-the-d
elta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-has-a-lower-fatality-rate-than-the-wild-type-virus-craig-kelly-dan-bongino
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An early paper said it was twice as likely to lead to hospitalization as the original version
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)013
58-1/fulltext


But so far, nobody seems to have come up with a definitive answer as to whether or not the delta version is actually "deadlier".

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SECOND: We sit in the coffee shop and we see someone wearing a mask and we think: Democrat," Brian Keathley said last fall, weeks before he got the virus.


Like I said: Highly politicized.

BOTH parties have made this a political issue because BOTH parties have ridiculous policies. Fauci (for example) waffled on masking, when he should have told the truth: We need to reserve masks for emergency and healthcare staff. Democrats insisted on longterm and repeated lockdowns. "Face covering" is not sufficient and quite often is virtue-signalling.

OTOH being anti-vax is just stupid, which is where the Republicans are.

BOTH parties are using Covid-19 to attempt to score points and gain power.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 2:07 PM

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Virus #1 fertilizing the ground for #2 in action:



(i du ho GoPs helping C19)

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 2:25 PM

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Interesting but unbalanced study

Quote:

For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021 (7-day hospitalizations 1.5/100k population) and 2.6-4.3-fold higher at times of high weekly hospitalization risk (7-day hospitalizations 2.1/100k), such as during January 2021. For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly COVID-19 hospitalization.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

What this study purports to do is assess the risks of vaccination v the risk of Covid for teenagers.

While it's an important concept, here is where I find the study is badly framed:

1) The ENDPOINTS are different. One arm of the study (the vaccinated group) was checked for "myocarditis", which is not necessarily hospitalized. (A guy who worked for me had myocarditis from a non-Covid flu [this was years before the pandemic] and all they did was give him steroids and he took a week off.) The NONvaccinated group endpoint was "hospitalization", not myocarditis. So this study is comparing apples to oranges, and I would bet that in the "vaccinated" group there were far fewer hospitalizations than there were dxd cases of myocarditis, so by choosing two different endpoints the researchers exaggerated the apparent risk of vaccination.

2) The POPULATIONS are different. In the vaccinated group, the "infection rate" is 100%. We know that because these teens were deliberately injected with the spike protein. In the UNvaccinated group, we don't know what the infection rate is. But let's say that it was 30% (which some studies indicate is reasonable) By choosing a population that is not universally infected with SARS-CoV2, these researchers haev downplayed the risk of hospitalization from Covid-19.


How does that work?
If you have a randomly-selected population of teens of unknown infection status, and one goes to the hospital, the risk of hospitalization is 1%. But lets say that 33 are infected and the remainder are not. The risk of hospitalization IF INFECTED is 1/33, or 3%.

So by inflating the apparent risk from vaccination and downplaying the risk from Covid, the authors get to claim that vaccination is riskier than SARS-CoV2. In reality, it's probably the other way around, but we would never be able to tell from this paper.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 2:32 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Virus #1 fertilizing the ground for #2 in action:

http:// youtu.be/Aius0vavTEs

(i du ho GoPs helping C19)

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You use Rachel Madcow as your go-to source of information???

I agree with you that the pandemic provides fertile ground for disinformation/bad programming, but Rachel is one of those spreaders of disinfo/bad programming. In a way, i agree with you, but she's prime example of what you're posting about.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 2:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your vaccine and your fake news, JO.



I'v corolated your symtomz with the entire catalog uv dizeezez and it linez up perfectly with only 1.



running around spewing infected bile from your mouth. (OK, your typing finger, but but you get the point)

Quote:

Hopefully your dick doesn't fall off.


It did! But then a much bigger wun sprouted in its plase!

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 2:49 PM

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If you notice in your Rachel Madcow video, JO, she interviews ... not a medical doctor, health director, or epidemologist to discuss what's going on in Idaho, but a DEMOCRAT in the STATE LEGISLATURE.

Bias, much?

Also, Rachel Madcowhas, among the many other pieces of disinfo that she spews, spread the "horse dewormer" story (which was proven to be FALSE) via Twitter

Quote:

MSNBC silent as Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid amplify false story on ivermectin overdoses

MSNBC is staying silent as two of the network's biggest stars amplified a false story without issuing any sort of mea culpa.

Last week, several members of the liberal media nationalized a local report out of Oklahoma that completely spun remarks a doctor made to depict that overdoses of ivermectin have overwhelmed the hospital system so much so that "gunshot victims" aren't able to be treated. Such claims were debunked by the hospital system itself.

Rachel Maddow shared the KFOR report to her 10 million Twitter followers using the headline, "Patients overdosing on ivermectin backing up rural Oklahoma hospitals, ambulances" as well as a quote from the article, "'The scariest one I’ve heard of and seen is people coming in with vision loss,' he said."

The MSNBC star faced enough backlash from critics for her name to trend on Twitter, but regardless of the uproar, Maddow's tweet remained intact seven days later.



How many times do you need Rachel Madcow to lie to you before you stop trusting her?

Here's a thought, JO: Stop watching Rachel Madcow. Don't quote her or link to any of her videos. That will take you a long way to eliminating the disinfo and bad programming infecting your brain.




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Saturday, September 11, 2021 3:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your vaccine and your fake news, JO.



I'v corolated your symtomz with the entire catalog uv dizeezez and it linez up perfectly with only 1.



running around spewing infected bile from your mouth. (OK, your typing finger, but but you get the point)

Quote:

Hopefully your dick doesn't fall off.


It did! But then a much bigger wun sprouted in its plase!

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Sorry not sorry that I've offended your delicate sensibilities, JO.

If you took the vaccine, what the fuck are you worried about then?

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 3:07 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here's a thought, JO: Stop watching Rachel Madcow. Don't quote her or link to any of her videos. That will take you a long way to eliminating the disinfo and bad programming infecting your brain.



Impossible.

It needs Rachel Maddow to tell it what to think everyday.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 3:42 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, note that I said THIS virus. THIS virus is not a society-killer, unless we shoot ourselves in the foot trying to kill it.



Thats the virus tokking! 'No, dont worry about me. You got money to make. Just a little Bactine and you'll be fine.'

Quote:


You can't rely on lockdowns forever.



Thats part uv my point.

Quote:

But we don't NEED a 100-lb shield.


Lets say New Zealand'z respons = a 100 pound shield.

It worked. If every nation used it, the pandemic woud hav fizzld out in a month.

If insted sum uv them put their green vizor accountant in charj and, after crunching the numberz, he desided that a 42.37 pound shield woud be sufficient, MAYBE he'd be rite and thoze countryz coud boast about saving a few billion dollarz. Or he coud hav miscalculated and the entire world woud still be dealing with the pandemic spending trillionz uv dollarz.

The bottom line iz that overkill works.

Quote:

The infection fatality rate for THIS virus (even the delta version) is somewhere around 0.07% for people younger than 45.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-se
x-and-age-15163


So, fighting THIS virus means protecting a vulnerable subgroup, not the entire peopulaiton



ACHS iz dedicated to a dont overreact stratejy. Its their foundational filosofy! They apply it indiscriminately to everything and alwayz in favor uv $.
Therez also plenty uv evidens that they are industry shillz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Council_on_Science_and_Health

And the chart iz outdated. Its frum before the Delta variant became dominant.

Your .07% fatality rate iz misleading. Unless you are advocating a global culling program, its better to go by the big picture.

4,616,874/223,851,538 = 2%
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus?ocid=bingcoronaviruslinks

And its virtually sertain that many nationz, most notably India and Brazil, are grossly under reporting their numbers, both intentionally and kuz they dont hav the ability to acquire accurate info.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 3:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The US is one of a few major countries where the people pushing against common-sense measures hold positions of power, where they can shape policy, influence large swaths of the population, and weaponize the pandemic for their own political benefit.



Best case senario: the C21 virus turnz out to be 100% fatal for the unvaksinated so the GoPs looz haf their voterz.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 5:11 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

SIGNYM: Also, note that I said THIS virus. THIS virus is not a society-killer, unless we shoot ourselves in the foot trying to kill it.

JO753: Thats the virus tokking! 'No, dont worry about me. You got money to make. Just a little Bactine and you'll be fine.'

No, that's the CDC talking. That's where I got my infection fatality rates from. THIS virus reaps 1-10% of the retired/elderly and the obese young. But normally healthy individuals below retirement age are not at high risk of dying from Covid-19. If you want to argue that point, argue with the CDC. Or, yanno, follow the science and not some blowhard named Rachel.

You seem to need to create super-villain enemies of almost magical proportions out of this virus, or Putin. THIS virus is not the "society killer" that you imagine.

Now, the Black Death that has an overall 30% mortality rate... THERE was a society-killer!

Quote:

SIGNY: You can't rely on lockdowns forever.

JO753: Thats part uv my point.

And...?

Quote:

SIGNY: But we don't NEED a 100-lb shield.

JO753: Lets say New Zealand'z respons = a 100 pound shield.
It worked. If every nation used it, the pandemic woud hav fizzld out in a month.

If insted sum uv them put their green vizor accountant in charj and, after crunching the numberz, he desided that a 42.37 pound shield woud be sufficient, MAYBE he'd be rite and thoze countryz coud boast about saving a few billion dollarz. Or he coud hav miscalculated and the entire world woud still be dealing with the pandemic spending trillionz uv dollarz.

The bottom line iz that overkill works.

There is a caveat to semi-permanent lockdowns being "the answer" (which you previously said WASN'T the answer, so make up your mind!) YOU MUST HAVE PERFECT CONTROL OF YOUR BORDERS.

The latest breakout in Australia was caused by an airport shuttle driver catching it from a group of visitors, and then one sick Kiwi who went back home took it to NZ and caused an outbreak there.

So, what is YOUR proposed 100-lb shield?

Quote:

SIGNY: The infection fatality rate for THIS virus (even the delta version) is somewhere around 0.07% for people younger than 45.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-se
x-and-age-15163

So, fighting THIS virus means protecting a vulnerable subgroup, not the entire population

JO753: ACHS iz dedicated to a dont overreact stratejy. Its their foundational filosofy! They apply it indiscriminately to everything and alwayz in favor uv $.
Therez also plenty uv evidens that they are industry shillz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Council_on_Science_and_Health

And the chart iz outdated. Its frum before the Delta variant became dominant.

Your .07% fatality rate iz misleading. Unless you are advocating a global culling program, its better to go by the big picture.

4,616,874/223,851,538 = 2%
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus?ocid=bingcoronaviruslinks

And its virtually sertain that many nationz, most notably India and Brazil, are grossly under reporting their numbers, both intentionally and kuz they dont hav the ability to acquire accurate info.

Halting the virus, like all endeavors, is a balance of resources. At some point, you do more harm than good.

ALSO, you're mixing up CASE fatality rate versus INFECTION fatality rate. Many times, especially in poor nations, an infection doesn't come to notice until someone is really sick ... almost dead. ONLY THEN are they tested.

In order to calculate the INFECTION fatality rate, one must have a true picture of the number of people infected, even if asymptomaticaly or very mildly. That means RANDOM TESTING FOR INFECTION across the population. I doubt India, or Colombia, or S Africa or any of the poorer nations are doing that. By nature of the calculation, CASE mortality rate is always higher - by quite a bit- than INFECTION fatality rate. CASE fatality rate creates an exaggerated picture of a virus' lethality.

Try to stay in the real world, OK?

Also, wishing that a vast number of your fellow Americans die off?

NOT COOL, JO.

And you complained about divisiveness??? Maybe you should look in the mirror!

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 5:23 PM

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I have always said that US policies, internal and external, are not really the result of careful planning as they are the result of various interests/entities using their influence and power to “pull” US policies in the way they want. And since there are A LOT of various interests/entities, especially in important cases, what we see is not a “policy outcome” but only a “sum vector”, an “outcome” which is the sum of all the different pulling and the relative strength of the folks doing that pulling.

I believe that this process has only been magnified but by an order of magnitude. What we see today in the US ruling elites is a huge “cover your ass”, “run for your life”, “protect yourself and your future” and even “grab it while you still can” and NOT, repeat, NOT “real” policies. Those who believe in a grand conspiracy fail to realize that what happened in Kabul is not the exception, it is the rule! Kabul was a giant spotlight which finally showed the true face of the US military to the entire planet: not the Tom Clancy kind of patriotic delusional hallucinations or Hollywood, but the “real reality” filmed “on the ground” on cheap but ubiquitous cellphones, by both Afghani and even US/NATO servicemen’s!



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