Some Covid-19 thoughts by captaincrunch

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

JUST TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T GET LOST IN THE AHUFFLE

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I'm going to jump in right about now.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
"It has no overlap with syncytin"
obviously it does.

No, it doesn't. I even posted the genetic sequences of both, along with the 3-d structures. There is no overlap.

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which would be true if the vax didn't cause dozens of separate immune attacks

Such as? Links? BTW, the list of supposed vaccination problems was merely a list of things people noted after the vaccine.

"I got the vaccine, and I got a cold". Well I could link a bunch of things in time that have no cause-and-effect relation of one to the other. I got up, and I saw the sky was cloudy. He sneezed, and his car wouldn't start. They sang a song, and there was a small earthquake. Believe it of not, things happen in sequence over time that have no cause-and-effect relationship with each other, at all.

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Guy came into my shop and said "no, it was fine, I got the vax, and nothing happened. That guy smells like a rotting corpse. Everyone else can smell it and can't stand to be near him now. But he doesn't smell it. He thinks he's fine. He's a fricking zombie.

For one things, the 2-nonenal 'smell' you originally claimed came from the vaccine smells nothing like a rotting corpse. And do you know what he normally smelled like, by any chance? Or do you think he might have just eaten eggs, or cheese, and needed to brush his teeth? I can think of a lot of reasons why someone might smell bad, either chronically or temporarily, that have nothing to do with 2-nonenal or a vaccine.

As to the links you posted that you seem to think indicate a relation between spike protein and syncytin ...

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7092852/

This link doesn't at all address any viral spike protein at all or SARS-CoV-2 at all. It addresses the envelope protein of non-specified viruses. So it fails to draw any relevance to syncytin and SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Furthermore, you've fundamentally misunderstood that there are different proteins in SARS-CoV-2 by equating them. Spike proteins and envelope proteins are very different proteins. "The coronaviral genome contains four major structural proteins: the spike (S), membrane (M), envelope (E) and the nucleocapsid (N) protein" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32342926/

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https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/there-is-no-risk-of-or-infertil
ity-from-covid-19-vaccines-as-sars-cov-2-proteins-and-placenta-proteins-are-different/

This link actually denies any similarity between syncytin-1 and spike protein, it's stated right up front.

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https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/sars-cov-2-spike-protein-sh
ares-sequence-with-a-human-protein-67596

And this link talks about a potential similarity with a sodium protein channel IN SKIN and the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, not with syncytin.

I don't know what you think you're proving with these links, but maybe you should look further, "if you want to do the research yourself ".

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No overlap with the human genome has been demonstrated, thus it is unlikely to cause autoimmune response.
I just posted to you 800,000 such cases earlier in this thread.

See above.

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NO institution - commercial or national- with a compelling competing interest has ever brought any criticism to the public about the fundamental nature of the vaccine.
not even sure what this claim is supposed to [be].

The argument is clear. The companies that are making vaccines are in hard economic competition with each other. For sure they're reverse-engineering the vaccines of their competitors. If any company found something suspicious about another vaccine, it would be in their economic interest to blow the whistle on that competing vaccine and torpedo it - thus, to be tedious but explicitly clear, reducing economic competition.

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the US govt kicked them out. They're still banned in belarus. interestingly where that research was being done in theory.

W???

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But intentions alone don't accomplish goals. ... they have to act in the real world, through real mechanisms, that leave real evidence.
no, they only have to get to the point where they can trick you into doing it to yourself.

You're focusing on intentions, without evidencing the 'it' you claim. That's the point of Signy's post - your abundance of claims (hyperbole) and lack of evidence.

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it's also circumstantial that all the people "fighting" this thing were also building the vax

Technically the Chinese were working on a virus - maybe, or maybe not, this virus.

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I have overabundantly proven ...

Yet you claim to be posting hyperbole. ...

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the point and you have gotten the point ...

Which point is that? You've made many shifting and often conflicting points even in this very post that I'm responding to (for example, the 2-nonenal smell is nothing like a rotting corpse smell and yet you claim they are the same ... or they both indicate COVID ... or maybe the vax ... or something).

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This vaccine took them 20 years like any normal vaccine ...

You haven't been following the progress made in developing other new vaccines in a very short time then.

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... it's a pancorona vaccine that they developed ...

Then they've cured the common cold! As proof of your claim, or hyperbole(bullshit), I should expect that the common cold is now mostly vanquished! I'll wait to see if that happens.

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 5:53 PM

1kiki.signym.com

the fast vax dev is bs

I said I was done, I'm done. two of you doesn't make you right.

It's clear from the level of understanding of the real sig of the problem that she already knows the answer and just won't admit it

there's not a hard competition, these companies are closely linked to each other, and they already held the patent before they released the virus

not doing this again. it's just a flailing psychological trap where you can't admit you're wrong. I gave you the info and I win no points for winning an argument. You have the info now, you can use it to survive or not, that's up to you.

The rest of these guys probably survive, except second, who is probably completely fucking doomed unless you can reach her.

You're treating this like a political argument, it's not. It's a scientific one about facts. Now you know one possible scenario which is that this is biowarfare

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 6:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

You know, like you, Rappy used to post 'I WIN!!' all the time, especially when he claimed there was a metric crap-ton of extant WMD's in Iraq ready and able to make war on the US at any moment. But in the end there were only ghost WMDs that didn't seem to exist in this realm. The larger point is that winning an argument is pointless in the face of reality. What will you think if the population doesn't crater like you say it will? Are you just going to reset your clock like a lot of other failed prognosticators? Or will you re-think your premise?

While I think SARS-CoV-2 was in some way related to biological warfare research (see human ACE-2 docking), a spike-protein vax, or set of various spike-protein vaxes developed by mutually hostile countries all around the globe, is not the same as the virus.

I await with mild interest your claim of Armageddon coming to fruition. I'll probably give it to December 31, 2021, because - like with people claiming the end of the world is near! - anything is possible given long enough. But a prediction needs to be timely to be meaningful. At the same time, I'll be looking for both evidence it's happening and evidence it isn't. A severe fall in global birth rate for example, might support your claim. But if instead the birth rate goes up as I suspect it will, especially among Anglo-western countries because of lockdowns and a lot of bored men at home with nothing else to do - I'll consider that a detriment to your claims.

All that said, I don't think you're at all insincere in your posts. You truly believe something wicked this way comes, even if your exact ideas are somewhat formless and shifting. And given your POV, and while I disagree with a fair bit of it, I admire your efforts to - Spread the news. Wake people up. Maybe even save people from themselves.

Your POV must bring a large burden of stress.

Also, fwiw, I still do hope you make a speedy and complete recovery.

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 6:35 PM

Trying to stop you from killing yourself has drained the little energy I have

I don't give a flying fuck who wins an argument

You have the information, you can use it, and live, or not

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 7:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Congratulations on hitting 3,000 posts in this troll thread.

I had thought that 6ix was the only troll feeding the trolls of this thread.

But it looks like everybody has joined in with the Troll Feeding. I wonder how many of you will also turn into trolls like 6ix has.

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 7:59 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Congratulations on hitting 3,000 posts in this troll thread.

I had thought that 6ix was the only troll feeding the trolls of this thread.

But it looks like everybody has joined in with the Troll Feeding. I wonder how many of you will also turn into trolls like 6ix has.

I'm done trolling. I only came to add helpful information that can help people, and not looking to face dunk a troll or win argument points whatever

Like David Martin says in that interview, he's not dancing at the doom, he's sad, because he's been ringing the alarm bell on bioterrorism for years, and no one's been listening.

I feel the same way. i haven't been on this train as long, but I get it now. This is a serious threat, and people aren't taking it seriously. And that's not going to help them.

I'm going to make some dinner and get on with what's left of life. Virtually everyone I know has died in the last two years from the intentional medical incompetence society. I'm just going to limp on and try to get something done.

Years ago we were a group of people who had a shared vision of a world we cared about. Now we're a cemetery, and it's just me, and I really don't care what other people think about it

If anyone wants me I'll be over in Cinema posting occasionally, but otherwise I'm going to be other places, trying to deal with this actual threat

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 8:50 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

In science, nothing succeeds like successful prediction.

I too, wait with mild interest for the coming apocalypse among the vaccinated. I think that Dec 31 is a reasonable deadline, but I would make that 2022. If I had a calendar, I would write it in to check upon your prediction. Since I don't, I hope someone remembers for me.

In the meantime, carry on.

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 9:58 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Congratulations on hitting 3,000 posts in this troll thread.

I had thought that 6ix was the only troll feeding the trolls of this thread.

But it looks like everybody has joined in with the Troll Feeding. I wonder how many of you will also turn into trolls like 6ix has.

Nearly every post you make in here and in non-political threads is inflammatory.

You really need to look in the mirror, dick.

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In science, nothing succeeds like successful prediction.

I too, wait with mild interest for the coming apocalypse among the vaccinated. I think that Dec 31 is a reasonable deadline, but I would make that 2022. If I had a calendar, I would write it in to check upon your prediction. Since I don't, I hope someone remembers for me.

In the meantime, carry on.

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you're already not believing the data that's right in front of you, so how are you going to make an objective judgment with the data that's yet to come, you'll just reject the data.

Hospitals are filling up with vax reactions the way they didn't fill up with covid patients initially

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Friday, September 3, 2021 7:01 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Link to data please.

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Friday, September 3, 2021 7:57 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

DREAMTROVE, may I restate your concern about the vaccine in different terms?

MY concern about the vaccine is not that it overlaps with syncytin, will make women sterile, cause premature aging or autoimmune response, contains fetal cells, or inserts itself into our DNA.

MY biggest concern with a spike protein-based vaccine is that it is the spike protein that is capable of triggering cytokine storm, and that repeated exposure to the spike protein thru booster shots may increase the possibility of cytokine storm on the next exposure, either to th actual virus or to a subsequent jab.

The argument against that is that so few have experienced drastic side effects from the vacine [compared to experience with the virus itself IN THE ABOVE 50 POPULATION] that the vaccine is still safer - IN THE ABOVE 50 POPULATION- than getting the virus itself.

Relative risk is why I would not recommend a vaccine for the fit, under 50 population.

Seeing as you seem to have Covid-19, I direct your attention to the paper I linked in
New human-to-human..." http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=54 which discusses the monoclonal antibody treatment and research for moderate to advanced cases of Covid-19.

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Friday, September 3, 2021 8:51 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

MY biggest concern with a spike protein-based vaccine is that it is the spike protein that is capable of triggering cytokine storm

It can be very damaging, and lead to autoimmune conditions, and death. A friend of mine's father just died from the jab, I got the blow by blow as it was happening. Basically in three days his lungs exploded. So, yes, for some people this is a very serious issue, and for most it's not

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Relative risk is why I would not recommend a vaccine for the fit, under 50 population.

I can definitely agree with this. I might move the cutoff age up a little, maybe 60. The dad in question was 57. But people with relatively healthy immune systems who are not in danger from the virus are in danger from auto-immune conditions.

In a sane world, everyone can make an unpressured choice. I don't think the complaint is that the vax exists, it's the vax mandates, and the high risk untested vaccine that anecdotally a lot of us see a lot of negative result, radically life destroying negative results, in people to whom the virus itself does not pose a major risk

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Saturday, September 4, 2021 6:07 AM

THG

U.S. covid death toll hits 1,500 a day amid delta scourge

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Saturday, September 4, 2021 10:25 AM

No it didn't.

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Sunday, September 5, 2021 7:37 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

My job is forcing me to take the covid vaccine or else they will let me go. Is that legal? Related questions: Are worker protections Socialist? Are Fair labor laws government intrusion into private business?

Answer: 49 of the 50 US states have “employment at will” laws, which gutted worker protections, reduced or eliminated fair labor relations boards, and made it absolutely legal for employers to terminate employees with or without notice and with or without cause for any reason whatsoever as long as the reason isn’t membership in a protected class.

So, yes, it’s legal.

I see this question a lot on Quora, and I must confess I do literally, not figuratively, laugh every time I see it.

When Ronald Reagan was in office, one of the big conservative legislative pushes was to gut fair worker relations laws and abolish fair labor relations boards in favor of a system that offered basically zero worker protections. Worker protections are Socialist! Fair labor laws are government intrusion in private business! Business works better without government oversight!

Conservatives battled ceaselessly for decades to pass these laws. Liberals kept saying “you know, if you pass these laws, there will come a day when they’re used against conservatives” and conservatives were all “no, no, no, never happen, I can’t hear you la la la.”

Now here we are. 49 states have implemented at-will employment laws, and…

Conservatives are having their contracts dropped because of the things they Tweet. Conservatives who don’t want to wear masks or get vaccinated are getting fired. And conservatives are all “it’s not fair this can’t be legal how dare you do that MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!”

We told you.

We told you this would happen.

Yes. Yes, it is legal.

https://www.quora.com/Can-the-covid-19-vaccine-be-made-legally-mandato
ry-Can-jobs-mandate-that-you-have-it-to-go-to-work/answer/Franklin-Veaux

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, September 5, 2021 7:46 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Early in the pandemic, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick urged elderly Americans to go out and contract the virus and “sacrifice” themselves to keep the economy open, referring to it as their patriotic duty.

Older people would rather die than let Covid-19 harm US economy – Texas official

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/older-people-would-rathe
r-die-than-let-covid-19-lockdown-harm-us-economy-texas-official-dan-patrick

More recently, Newsmax talking head Rob Schmitt contended that vaccination goes against nature, opining “if there is some disease out there—maybe there’s just an ebb and flow to life where something’s supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people, and that’s just kind of the way evolution goes. Vaccines kind of stand in the way of that.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/07/13/newsmax-rob-schmitt-va
ccine-against-nature/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, September 5, 2021 11:49 PM

Second,

there's a reason the average conservative is older than the average liberal

liberal is a position of not knowing, it's just a position of ignorance. When you know, you'll be a conservative also, so it's in your future, if you survive.

Now, sure there are moron conservatives who are reiterating whatever their parents said, and there are even dumber ones who i think of as not moderate or conservative but just "right wing" who are just like left wingers, but they subscribe to a "right wing" media to which they have also outsourced their brains

here's what never happens, and this is why I'm posting it. The left is never sitting there with the information that the right doesn't know that can enlighten the right and convince them to be left (again)

that's because left is a position of ignorance, and you can't tell a person who is informed that they should become ignorant again

so, morons on the right notwithstanding, it's not going to work as a tactic.

now that said, the right believes a ton of things that are still stupid and you can debate them one at a time and win, as long as you're willing to look at why they believe them and also self examine why you believe what you believe, and then maybe both of you are wrong, as a third possibility

but that's a different sort of discussion than the ones you've been having

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Monday, September 6, 2021 12:38 AM

The problem is that Second can never win an argument.

At least he can't here.

His track record of posts makes anything he says suspect. He contradicts himself on a daily basis because he doesn't actually believe in anything other than Left = Good / Right = Bad.

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Tuesday, September 7, 2021 7:21 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem is that Second can never win an argument.

At least he can't here.

His track record of posts makes anything he says suspect. He contradicts himself on a daily basis because he doesn't actually believe in anything other than Left = Good / Right = Bad.

6ix, winning an argument is not something that can be done over the internet. Where are referees watching the arguments/discussions and calling penalties on the internet? Where is the scorekeeper? Where are officials setting the rules? Nowhere. On the internet, the losers declare themselves the winners! There are no penalties for losers of arguments on the internet because it is only bits of data. Real world winners get tangible rewards, not bits. And real world losers lose their life, their job/money/house/marriage, or just end up sick while wasting time on the internet.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, September 7, 2021 7:23 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The Health Care System Has Collapsed

As a resident physician who has only trained in an era of COVID—I was asked to consider graduating from school early in April 2020 to help with medical staff shortages—my time as a doctor has been defined by working in a system that has already collapsed. The American health system I work in has featured limited personal protective equipment, oxygen shortages, and the construction of field hospitals in convention centers and parking garages. Last winter, many hospitals across the country instituted crisis standards of care, forced to ration health services based on criteria that few people envisioned would be used outside of a mass casualty event, like a terrorist attack. Today, hospitals are full in much of the country, with patients requiring an ICU being airlifted thousands of miles in search of a staffed bed. These are not features of a health system that is approaching failure. These are features of a health care system that has broken down spectacularly, forcing doctors and patients to climb through the rubble looking for help.

More at https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/healthcare-system-collapse-icu-ra
tion-beds.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, September 7, 2021 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem is that Second can never win an argument.

At least he can't here.

His track record of posts makes anything he says suspect. He contradicts himself on a daily basis because he doesn't actually believe in anything other than Left = Good / Right = Bad.
6ix, winning an argument is not something that can be done over the internet. Where are referees watching the arguments/discussions and calling penalties on the internet? Where is the scorekeeper? Where are officials setting the rules? Nowhere. On the internet, the losers declare themselves the winners! There are no penalties for losers of arguments on the internet because it is only bits of data. Real world winners get tangible rewards, not bits. And real world losers lose their life, their job/money/house/marriage, or just end up sick while wasting time on the internet.

You're sick in the head and waste all your day on the internet, so we know where you land on that spectrum.

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Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:20 AM

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavir
us-research-at-chinese-lab/
https://archive.ph/jcL32

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The grant was initially awarded for a five-year period — from 2014 to 2019. Funding was renewed in 2019 but suspended by the Trump administration in April 2020.

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Tuesday, September 7, 2021 4:55 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem is that Second can never win an argument.

At least he can't here.

His track record of posts makes anything he says suspect. He contradicts himself on a daily basis because he doesn't actually believe in anything other than Left = Good / Right = Bad.
6ix, winning an argument is not something that can be done over the internet. Where are referees watching the arguments/discussions and calling penalties on the internet? Where is the scorekeeper? Where are officials setting the rules? Nowhere. On the internet, the losers declare themselves the winners! There are no penalties for losers of arguments on the internet because it is only bits of data. Real world winners get tangible rewards, not bits. And real world losers lose their life, their job/money/house/marriage, or just end up sick while wasting time on the internet.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Six, I see that it concedes your point, it has never experienced this winning.

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Tuesday, September 7, 2021 4:56 PM

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Originally posted by second:
The Health Care System Has Collapsed

As a resident physician who has only trained in an era of COVID—I was asked to consider graduating from school early in April 2020 to help with medical staff shortages—my time as a doctor has been defined by working in a system that has already collapsed. The American health system I work in has featured limited personal protective equipment, oxygen shortages, and the construction of field hospitals in convention centers and parking garages. Last winter, many hospitals across the country instituted crisis standards of care, forced to ration health services based on criteria that few people envisioned would be used outside of a mass casualty event, like a terrorist attack. Today, hospitals are full in much of the country, with patients requiring an ICU being airlifted thousands of miles in search of a staffed bed. These are not features of a health system that is approaching failure. These are features of a health care system that has broken down spectacularly, forcing doctors and patients to climb through the rubble looking for help.

More at https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/healthcare-system-collapse-icu-ra
tion-beds.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

yeah, firing everyone and replacing them with robots or first year grad students from countries americans have never heard of will do that for ya

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Tuesday, September 7, 2021 7:10 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavir
us-research-at-chinese-lab/
https://archive.ph/jcL32

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The grant was initially awarded for a five-year period — from 2014 to 2019. Funding was renewed in 2019 but suspended by the Trump administration in April 2020.

It's been known for almost a couple of years now in a general kind of way that Wuhan (lab or university) was doing subcontracted research work on bat coronaviruses funded by Fauci's agency.

Anyone who has been on either end of a research grant knows that it doesn't progress without a metric crapton of paperwork: Proposals, MOUs, budgets, interim reports, emails, phone calls - which are logged, invoices, disbursements, etc etc.

The fact that the WHO "investigated" the origin of the virus without ever asking for the relevant documents is not only careless, it's a coverup.

I don't know how much evidence remains. I imagine that a lot of paper-shredding and email erasing has gone on since this all started late 2019.

Good for the Intercept that they knew who to ask, and for what. (FOIA requests have to be very specific, especially for contentious issues, o'wise you will be stonewalled.)

We should be looking to see if our own bioweapon people had any hand in this, too.

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Tuesday, September 7, 2021 11:13 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The materials confirm the grants supported the construction--in Wuhan--of novel chimeric SARS-related coronaviruses that combined a spike gene from one coronavirus with genetic information from another coronavirus, and confirmed the resulting viruses could infect human cells.
(Recombinant DNA includes molecules constructed outside of living cells by joining natural or synthetic DNA segments to DNA molecules that can replicate in a living cell, or molecules that result from their replication. -Science Direct)

The materials reveal that the resulting novel, laboratory-generated SARS-related coronaviruses also could infect mice engineered to display human receptors on cells ("humanized mice").

The materials further reveal for the first time that one of the resulting novel, laboratory-generated SARS-related coronaviruses--one not been previously disclosed publicly--was more pathogenic to humanized mice than the starting virus from which it was constructed...

...and thus not only was reasonably anticipated to exhibit enhanced pathogenicity, but, indeed, was *demonstrated* to exhibit enhanced pathogenicity.

The materials further reveal that the the grants also supported the construction--in Wuhan--of novel chimeric MERS-related coronaviruses that combined spike genes from one MERS-related coronavirus with genetic information from another MERS-related coronavirus.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/massive-foia-release-proves-fauci-f
unded-wuhan-research-construct-sars-related

chimeric virus is one which is made by combining bits of one virus with another.

This was explained in great detail by Chris Martenson, who highlighted the insertion very early in the pandemic.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 1:20 AM

At this point, I think we should start burning scientists at the stake and just go ahead and put a full ban on any further advances in technology and medicine.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:34 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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... we should start burning scientists at the stake ...

Because of a virus that never killed anyone?

Or is your prescription because of what scientists might do in the future - yanno - kill people now because of possible future crimes?

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 5:58 AM

BECAUSE everything else we could ever possibly do is a double-edged sword, and since humans are the ones wielding it, we're always going to use the bad edge first.

There is very little ROI in future innovation of any kind for humanity when all of the inevitable negatives are taken into account. And that statement is being very generous.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 6:08 AM

More specifically, any further innovation only benefits the top 1%.

They derive plenty from further innovation. A short list, just off the top of my head...

1. Easy access to cutting edge bio-weapons.
2. A.I. and automation that will further replace the need for human labor.
3. A.I. and machine learning that will better destroy privacy and turn every corner of the planet into a highly censored surveillance state.
4. Better weapons with which to kill people more efficiently with.
5. Better understanding about the human body and how to better exploit it to never cure anything but only offer expensive treatments for life that you can't live without.

None of this benefits you or I in the slightest.

We're way beyond the days of living without electricity and having a life expectancy of 40 years. There once was a day where there was plenty of room for innovation benefiting every person.

Those days are LONG gone.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 8:55 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SIX:

You forgot: AI so we will no longer need humans to think.
Maybe we should burn programmers at the stake.

*****

Anyway, KIKI is right. Now YOU'RE the one talking about killing people categorically. You sound just like WISHY, except you have a different target.

Killing not for anything that anyone has DONE, but for what they THINK. After all, what have "scientists" done except given people the knowledge "how to"? But in today's world it's not "scientists" who decide where to implement a technology, it's TPTB. "Sceintists" don't have the power and money to decide where to implement a technology, it's TPTB. They fuck up everything they touch.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:04 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I know this is way off-topic, SIX, but you bring up an interesting point about the advancement of knowledge and it's application, which is technology.

Scientist are driven by the desire to know the causes of all the effects that we see. What causes lightning and thunder? The gods, forging on their great anvils in the sky? What causes disease? Curses? Bad air?

The APPLICATION of that knowldege, however, is driven by different motivations. In a general sense, technology is driven by a very human desire for more reward with less work, and a more certain future that is not shaken apart by disease or catastrophic weather, or all of the natural events that we couldn't explain, much less predict or do anything about. It's about human attempts to control the world and to make it less effortful to live in.

In one of my long-ago posts about Society as an Organism, I tried to explore the idea that society is like an organism, and just as we have cells that make up our bodies ... cells which have no idea of the greater creature of which they are a part ... we, too, make up parts of a greater whole which we can barely perceive. What ties a society together - its language, technology, ethos, etc ... will decide how successful that society will be.

Furthermore, societies, like all organisms, are born, grow, adapt, and die. And that, in a world of multiple societies, there is also evolution: some societies will be more successful, others will be out-competed.

Anyway, I brought all of that up to bring up a long-term and repeating pattern: All great societies so far, at their peak, used more energy per capita than the previous great society. That is because each great society, if it has not lost the history of its science and technology, is able to build on the science and technology of the past, or other societies.

We have gone from being able to use human energy alone, to using fire to stay warm and cook food thru- successively- animal power and charcoal; wind and water power; coal and steam power; petroleum power; electricity; and nuclear power. (thank you KIKI/RUE for that thought.)

WHAT is this energy use for?

MOSTLY, to be able to produce more stuff with less HUMAN effort, and move it arounf from here to there. From the treadle-operated spindle and loom to the water wheel-driven power looms to today's electricity-operated machines which card, spin, dye, and weave, with little human effort.

Each application of technology has taken us humans out of the picture more and more. We don't need to work as much, or think as much, or learn as much, as we used to. As individuals we no longer need to be able to look at the sky and figure if we should plant or harvest tomorrow, or shear the sheep; or how to card, spin and weave wool; or how to preserve food; or store grain; or the thousand-and-one things that "primitive" people needed to know that we no longer need to pay attention to. Because of our use of external power and division of labor, our lives are much SIMPLER. We can spend lots of time doing ...nothing. Sitting at a computer communicating with people far away.

And I think it makes us, at heart, uncomfortable because we have NO AGENCY, and so disengaged from reality that we think our "feelz" mean something, in the real world. So we expect mostly unrealistically, with no way make it come true.

I'm not advocating a return to life as we lived it 1000 years ago. We still want our antibiotics and our power looms and glass plants and steel mills and eletricity. Right?

But I think there is a "Goldilocks zone" for people, one where everyone is engaged with enough work to satisfy the need to know that WE are contributing to our own survival, doing meaningful work that others will pay for, and not just dangling off as some supernumary part of some big blob.

And the reason WHY we can't create this "Goldilocks zone" of human endeavor is because, NOW, the implementation of technology is not for us but for PROFIT, which seeks to eliminate people altogether from every aspect of production, whether that is stoking coal, or comprehending the basis of life, or even fighting our wars.

That can all be done by machine.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:17 AM

"Burning scientists at the stake" was a bit of hyperbole, but you seem to get my point otherwise.

Zero good trickles down to the masses anymore from any further advances in technology.

Most of this is because of TPTB, but we can't completely shrug off our own responsibility with this either.

Sure... People are addicted to their smart phones BECAUSE everything about them was designed to be addictive, but there was a time where I drank 4 liters of soda per day as well as the time where I drank 150 cans of Icehouse per week as well as the 12 year period where I smoked weed every single day. I've smoked cigarettes for over 20 years now. And in the absence of booze, I drink up to 24 cups of coffee in a day.

Nobody forced me to do any of that. But it was all just "there", with most of it being heavily marketed so it was never really out of your mind.

I only know two people in my small circle of influence who really did anything productive during the pandemic. I'm spending most of my time with them now when I'm not working on my own projects. Neither of them put on any "Covid 15", sitting around binge watching netflix or looking at their smart phones all day long.

Most of the other people I know are less healthy both physically and mentally over the last year and a half.

That wouldn't be the case if all of this happened 40 years ago with the tech we had back then.

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I'm not advocating a return to life as we lived it 1000 years ago. We still want our antibiotics and our power looms and glass plants and steel mills and eletricity. Right?

Right.

I'm saying maybe a return to 50 years ago would be good. At the very least, it would be nice if we could just stop any further "progress". At this point, I think everything about the word "progress" has become negative. It's no longer a good word.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:25 AM

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https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/massive-foia-release-proves-fauci-f
unded-wuhan-research-construct-sars-related

chimeric virus is one which is made by combining bits of one virus with another.

This was explained in great detail by Chris Martenson, who highlighted the insertion very early in the pandemic.

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Thanks for joining me in crazytown. Yes, this is exactly what I think happened. In Chapel Hill it was called "gain of function" research. It was suspended in 2013, and then resurrected in 2018, though appears to have gone on in the interval anyway. After 2018 it fled to China, with all associated names being involved.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:27 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX:

You forgot: AI so we will no longer need humans to think.
Maybe we should burn programmers at the stake.

*****

Anyway, KIKI is right. Now YOU'RE the one talking about killing people categorically. You sound just like WISHY, except you have a different target.

Killing not for anything that anyone has DONE, but for what they THINK. After all, what have "scientists" done except given people the knowledge "how to"? But in today's world it's not "scientists" who decide where to implement a technology, it's TPTB. "Scientists" don't have the power and money to decide where to implement a technology, it's TPTB. They fuck up everything they touch.

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At last! Signym, go to the next step, which would be calling for a revolution overthrowing the Top 1% Richest Americans. I presume that your "TPTB", or The Powers That Be, are approximately the same as the Top 1%, which makes them easy to identify for whatever purpose (assassination? imprisonment? finally forcing them to pay their taxes rather than let them cheat as they will?) that 6ixStringJack might have in mind.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:57 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

What is it with you and "taxes", SECONDRATE?
Do you think "taxes" will undo all of the distortions of today's economy?

How about ... doing away with finacialism for a start? Getting rid of the stock market, "futures", hedge funds, fractional reserve banking, and all of that bullshit?

Getting rid of rentier capitalism?

And then about anti-monopoly ACTION by the government?

Direct investment by the government in production, not just infrastructure?

WORKPLACE DEMOCRACY?

Yanno, the system is so fundamentally corrupt, just paying obeisance to "taxes" or even killing off a few people isn't going to fix it.

(oh BTW it's the top 0.01% who're the real decision-makers.)

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:03 AM

Don't let Second derail our conversation sigs.

Although, I suppose I should applaud him for being able to make a post that didn't have the word "Trump" in it.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:04 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/massive-foia-release-proves-fauci-f
unded-wuhan-research-construct-sars-related

chimeric virus is one which is made by combining bits of one virus with another.

This was explained in great detail by Chris Martenson, who highlighted the insertion very early in the pandemic.

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Thanks for joining me in crazytown. Yes, this is exactly what I think happened. In Chapel Hill it was called "gain of function" research. It was suspended in 2013, and then resurrected in 2018, though appears to have gone on in the interval anyway. After 2018 it fled to China, with all associated names being involved.

I don't live in Crazytown, DREAMTROVE.

I live in the real world.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:43 AM

THG

Deaths

651K

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:47 AM

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Deaths

651K

Lie.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What is it with you and "taxes", SECONDRATE?
Do you think "taxes" will undo all of the distortions of today's economy?

How about ... doing away with finacialism for a start? Getting rid of the stock market, "futures", hedge funds, fractional reserve banking, and all of that bullshit?

Getting rid of rentier capitalism?

And then about anti-monopoly ACTION by the government?

Direct investment by the government in production, not just infrastructure?

WORKPLACE DEMOCRACY?

Yanno, the system is so fundamentally corrupt, just paying obeisance to "taxes" or even killing off a few people isn't going to fix it.

(oh BTW it's the top 0.01% who're the real decision-makers.)

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Signym, you have so many excellent ideas, none of which could ever get passed in the Senate so long as there are more than 33 Republican Senators, but collecting taxes could be done without passing any new laws with a few thousand extra auditors at IRS. That budget item for the IRS would also require getting passed by the Senate, because highly skilled auditors have to be well paid or else they will go work for the wealthiest Americans (while the typical IRS drone is poorly paid), but collecting all the taxes would bring in an extra $1 trillion per year from the richest Americans, the top 1%.

Too many ultra-rich people skip taxes, Treasury official says. Why? Because they can
https://web.archive.org/web/20210909005236/https://www.marketwatch.com
/story/too-many-ultra-rich-people-skip-taxes-treasury-official-says-why-because-they-can-11631140024

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(oh BTW it's the top 0.01% who're the real decision-makers.)

The real decision-makers are the GOP Senators with their veto. Only Mitt Romney is a top 0.01% and a GOP Senator. The other GOP Senators are owned.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 1:32 PM

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The Delta variant continues to ravage the unvaccinated and sicken so many, with the country hitting the dark milestone of 40 million Covid cases. And about 1,500 Americans are dying every day -- almost all of them not fully vaccinated.

The people who are refusing the vaccine and refusing to mask up aren't just killing themselves and infecting their neighbors. They're destroying the American economy. The stubborn refusal of so many Americans to get vaccinated and wear masks is likely to continue doing damage in the weeks and months ahead, as kids go back to school, the weather cools and more activities move inside. Cue still more economic devastation.

Let's be clear about who is responsible: the anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers and their proponents in conservative media and in the Republican Party.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/08/opinions/economy-weakening-goldman-sach
s-covid-filipovic/index.html

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/massive-foia-release-proves-fauci-f
unded-wuhan-research-construct-sars-related

chimeric virus is one which is made by combining bits of one virus with another.

This was explained in great detail by Chris Martenson, who highlighted the insertion very early in the pandemic.

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Thanks for joining me in crazytown. Yes, this is exactly what I think happened. In Chapel Hill it was called "gain of function" research. It was suspended in 2013, and then resurrected in 2018, though appears to have gone on in the interval anyway. After 2018 it fled to China, with all associated names being involved.
I don't live in Crazytown, DREAMTROVE.

I live in the real world.

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Me too, but you called me crazy for suggesting the theory of the thing you just posted the evidence to because now that theory is fact. That's what it is like

everything is crazy until it's proven

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:36 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Just to address today's research ...

Research today is NOT mostly done by a person sitting in a patent office thinking about a traveler on a moving train.

It's mostly done (funded) by governments, that fund research groups that are now mostly focused on patents and IP, with BIG BUSINESS circling like vultures hoping to make profits off the meat made by those groups; the other arms of governments fund weapons offense/ defense with secret research that for the most part nobody will know about for at least a decade.

There is basically
1) government-funded research driven by economic warfare
2) government-funded research driven by military warfare.

We're in a global research cold war. Just stopping isn't an option. Our zero-sum infected everyone, everywhere it touched: win or die. And we've gone so far for so long trying to touch everywhere exploitable around the globe. Now all those historic zero-sum losers are in the game to win, or aligning themselves with a side they think will win. That's why zero-sum, once started, is hard to stop. For example, if we stop, we'll be caught by surprise from behind by all those historic zero-sum losers we created. (I give Putin a lot of credit for finding for Russia a way out of the game as much as possible.)

Anyway, it's plain we're - the voters in a 'democracy' - not driving this bus. If we were, different decisions would have been made.

Killing the scientists wouldn't work. Because SOME places would understand that having scientists in the face of those that didn't would make them winners. And they wouldn't kill theirs.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Just to address today's research ...

Anyway, it's plain we're - the voters in a 'democracy' - not driving this bus. If we were, different decisions would have been made.

Killing the scientists wouldn't work. Because SOME places would understand that having scientists in the face of those that didn't would make them winners. And they wouldn't kill theirs.

If American voters were driving this country they would not agree to pay the highest health care prices in the world:

"How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries?"
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u
-s-compare-countries/#item-start

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Health spending per person in the U.S. was $10,966 in 2019, which was 42% higher than Switzerland, the country with the next highest per capita health spending.

If American voters were driving this country, or even looking out the window as the scenery goes by, they wouldn't agree to this high a level of defense spending:
"Countries with the highest military spending worldwide in 2020"
https://www.statista.com/statistics/262742/countries-with-the-highest-
military-spending/

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According to the U.S. Congressional Budget Office, the outlays for defense will rise from a low of 596 billion U.S. dollars in 2014, to 915 billion U.S. dollars by 2031. Between 2013 and 2022, it is projected that the United States will spend 392 billion U.S. dollars on nuclear weapons

It is obvious who is driving the country but the U.S. Senate will not be changing drivers for someone less greedy, although the Senate could.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 5:54 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I don't see democrats as being the party of: peace, reduced military spending, and making nice with Russia and China ... or, in terms another issue of raw survival, even mildly cutting back on US CO2 production.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 6:17 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I don't see democrats as being the party of: peace, reduced military spending, and making nice with Russia and China ... or, in terms another issue of raw survival, even mildly cutting back on US CO2 production.

You don't see? There are two Democratic Senators who should become Republicans because that is the party that best fits their minds: Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. As for the other Democratic Senators, their goals are incompatible with the GOP Senators' goals.

Why Joe Manchin Is So Willing And Able To Block His Party’s Goals
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-joe-manchin-is-so-willing-and
-able-to-block-his-partys-goals/

So long as the Republicans have 34 or more Senators, they can veto all change with the help of Democrats like Joe Manchin joining them.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 7:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Just to address today's research ...

Research today is NOT mostly done by a person sitting in a patent office thinking about a traveler on a moving train.

It's mostly done (funded) by governments, that fund research groups that are now mostly focused on patents and IP, with BIG BUSINESS circling like vultures hoping to make profits off the meat made by those groups; the other arms of governments fund weapons offense/ defense with secret research that for the most part nobody will know about for at least a decade.

There is basically
1) government-funded research driven by economic warfare
2) government-funded research driven by military warfare.

We're in a global research cold war. Just stopping isn't an option. Our zero-sum infected everyone, everywhere it touched: win or die. And we've gone so far for so long trying to touch everywhere exploitable around the globe. Now all those historic zero-sum losers are in the game to win, or aligning themselves with a side they think will win. That's why zero-sum, once started, is hard to stop. For example, if we stop, we'll be caught by surprise from behind by all those historic zero-sum losers we created. (I give Putin a lot of credit for finding for Russia a way out of the game as much as possible.)

Anyway, it's plain we're - the voters in a 'democracy' - not driving this bus. If we were, different decisions would have been made.

Killing the scientists wouldn't work. Because SOME places would understand that having scientists in the face of those that didn't would make them winners. And they wouldn't kill theirs.

Completely, but that's where my angle on pattern of behavior is coming from. If this is a plandemic there will be many more, because it worked.

http://outbreaknewstoday.com/prion-research-suspended-in-france-follow
ing-death-of-lab-worker-video-news-report-20963/

this story caught my notice because I thought, maybe suspending research over this case, or maybe the French govt looked over and said "oh no you don't" or rather "mais non! zut alors! tu ne le fais pas!"

a vaccine trusting public in such a world is a sitting duck. If someone wanted to annihilate a country, CJD has an average survival time of 8 months and is 100% fatal. With the delayed onset, it would go unnoticed for weeks or months. That's going to be enough time for a weaponized vaccination program to exterminate the populace.

Now, I know, you're thinking like I am, that someone in France will catch this, but, will they? do we trust them to? and then skipping that, what about a country that's looking over at Colombia or Cambodia and saying "hey, nice piece of lang you've got there." Or China looking to acquire another south east asian puppet, or that country looking to stop them.

The best way we can plan for this is be aware of it and then build a biodefense, but also a chaotic society is going to survive this way better than a well ordered one.

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