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Some Covid-19 thoughts

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Monday, July 26, 2021 9:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I think I've done a pretty good job outlining how the media fudged COVID-19 facts to deliver the narrative de jour, even when it had to backtrack and reverse itself multiple times.

I HOPE that, with all the specific examples I gave relatively fresh in his memory, JO will realize that just because the government or the m$m or Maddow (same thing) says so, doesn't make it so. And that he understands one needs to consume the media carefully, and to look to a wide variety of sources and countries, and to pay attention to how the story is being altered all the time; and try to sift out the hype from the truth.

There is some truth in there. But you have to work at finding it.

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Monday, July 26, 2021 9:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


What really needs to happen is people need to take some damn fish oil vitamin supplements on the reg and hope that their terrible diets haven't already fried their brains permanently.

Nobody can remember what they were being told two weeks ago on any given day. It's why people are so easy to lead around.


And those fucking "smart" phones aren't helping anybody out except for the people pulling the strings.



It's just too easy to give up critical thinking and let a quick google search bring you to whatever Snopes and/or Wikipedia is telling you is the truth today.

Fuckin' Muppets.

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Monday, July 26, 2021 9:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I think, while people give too much credence when the beliefs of 'their side' are being presented by the media, even guppies learn over time.

US ranks last among 46 countries in trust in media, Reuters Institute report finds
https://www.poynter.org/ethics-trust/2021/us-ranks-last-among-46-count
ries-in-trust-in-media-reuters-institute-report-finds
/

Opposing polls
https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2021/jul/20/opposing-polls/
This month, 21% of those answering Gallup questions said they had a lot of confidence in newspapers. Only 16% say the same thing of TV news. Congress comes in at 12%.
Finland citizens were confident enough. They lead the world in trust in their media with 65%. The last-place finisher worldwide was none other than the United States of America. Only 29% of “news consumers” in this country said they trusted the media. Finishing last means the U.S.A. trailed countries like Turkey, Colombia and Peru.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 12:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You'd think that would be good news...

But it depends on how the questions were worded, what order the questions were asked, and if they were altered a bit based off of how the earlier questions were asked.

It would be very easy to get those results, say, if you were to ask early on if you consider yourself a Democrat or a Republican and then follow that up with a later question asking if you trust Fox News or CNN, respectively.


Only about 2% of the adult population is watching either of them at any given time. But I'd say that 100% of the people who watch Fox News trust Fox News and 100% of the people who watch CNN trust CNN.


Just look around here and consider JSF vs. Second, Ted and JO.

They all believe whatever their respective outlets tell them at any given time, no questions asked. No brain power exerted.

And Ted is a complete idiot, with JO probably being a genius and Second falling somewhere in between. It's not just the stupid people who are responsible for this. Even really smart people love shutting off the ole' noggin once in a while and letting other people do the thinking for them.

What better place to let your brain take much needed vacation from the everyday stresses of life than your very own echo chamber that you've wrapped around yourself like a warm blanket.



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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:36 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Just look around here and consider JSF vs. Second, Ted and JO.

They all believe whatever their respective outlets tell them at any given time, no questions asked. No brain power exerted.

And Ted is a complete idiot, with JO probably being a genius and Second falling somewhere in between. It's not just the stupid people who are responsible for this. Even really smart people love shutting off the ole' noggin once in a while and letting other people do the thinking for them.

What better place to let your brain take much needed vacation from the everyday stresses of life than your very own echo chamber that you've wrapped around yourself like a warm blanket.

Last night my sister told me that a 20 year old male died of Covid-19 at https://www.stlukeshealth.org/locations/vintage-hospital

On the other hand, 6ixStringJack has said nobody dies of Covid-19. I wonder who is right? Is it my sister, the nurse who works? Or the nutjob who is unemployed and goes by the name 6ix?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 8:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


A 20 year old did not die of Covid.

Your sister is a liar, and/or a stupid tool for the liars.



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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 3:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Cristiano Ronaldo's sister hospitalised with pneumonia from Covid-19 after calling disease ‘the biggest fraud I’ve ever seen’

https://www.rt.com/sport/530399-ronaldo-sister-covid-19/

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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 3:51 PM

SIGNYM

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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 9:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Cristiano Ronaldo's sister hospitalised with pneumonia from Covid-19 after calling disease ‘the biggest fraud I’ve ever seen’

https://www.rt.com/sport/530399-ronaldo-sister-covid-19/

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Covid-19 IS the biggest fraud any of us has ever seen.



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Wednesday, July 28, 2021 9:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Vox wants a vaccine mandate.

Fuck Vox.

https://www.vox.com/2021/7/28/22594637/vaccine-mandates-covid-19-masks
-delta-variants



How long do you suppose one of these Lefty missing-link media outfits makes one of my other predictions true and starts calling the unvaccinated Bio-Terrorists?

And who will it be first? Vox? Mother Jones? Salon? Buzzfeed?


It won't be CNN or MSNBC. They'll jump on after it starts, but they're not ballzy enough to throw that stone first.


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Wednesday, July 28, 2021 9:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




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Friday, July 30, 2021 5:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Keep pushing, Biden*

The more you push, the more you can't pretend that I was right all along about what your goals were from the beginning.

Quote:

From now on, everyone working for the federal government will be asked for their vaccine papers and all undocumented federal workers and contractors “will be required to wear a mask on the job no matter their geographic location, physically distance from all other employees and visitors, comply with a weekly or twice weekly screening testing requirement, and be subject to restrictions on official travel.” If you think these are draconian measures, you are right, and that is precisely the point. In a moment of candor, “Biden aides” admitted to their friends at CNN that the goal “is to render being unvaccinated so burdensome that those who haven’t received shots will have little choice other than to get them.”


https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/politics/joe-biden-vaccination-requirem
ent-announcement/index.html



Unless you actually PLAN to have a variant of Covid unleashed on us that wipes out everyone who refuses you, your career is dead. Kiss it goodbye.

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Friday, July 30, 2021 5:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You'd also better add at least three more zeros to that $100 if you want me to even entertain the notion of the jab.

It would probably take four though.



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Friday, July 30, 2021 5:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup...

Literally everything short of a mandate is the plan now. Do every single thing possible that will keep it from legally being considered a mandate.

Quote:

The White House had previously indicated it would support private companies' decisions to mandate Covid-19 vaccinations, but Biden took it a step further on Thursday, saying that he'd like to see companies, states and schools move in the direction of requiring Covid-19 vaccination.


"We're not forcing you to do anything, but if you ever even think about leaving your house, even for food or to make money to buy food, you'd better have a fucking vaccine".

~Joe Biden*

Do it Joe.*

See where it gets you.


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Friday, July 30, 2021 7:01 PM

THG


Las Vegas casino worker and father of 5 dies from COVID-19, texts fiancée: 'I should have gotten the damn vaccine'

Michael Freedy, a Las Vegas casino worker and father of 5, died from COVID-19 on Thursday.
From the hospital, he texted his fiancée: "I should have gotten the damn vaccine."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/las-vegas-casino-worker-and-f
ather-of-5-dies-from-covid-19-texts-fianc%C3%A9e-i-should-have-gotten-the-damn-vaccine/ar-AAMLpyl?ocid=msedgntp




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Friday, July 30, 2021 9:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:


Las Vegas casino worker and father of 5 dies from COVID-19, texts fiancée: 'I should have gotten the damn vaccine'
T


You, uh, happy that someone died?

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Friday, July 30, 2021 10:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yep, he should have gotten the damn vaccine. As a casino worker, he prolly came into contact with hundreds of people a day, putting him at high risk of exposure. But it's his choice. He rolled the dice and got bad luck.


*****

If it were me running the show, my message would be this:

The virus is constantly evolving. So far, it seems to be evolving in the direction of high transmissibility but lower lethality. The vaccines do a good job of protecting you from serious illness but aren't effective at preventing transmission.

If you're at risk of getting seriously ill- over 50, obese, or with X,Y,Z risk factors, or you're occupationally exposed to a lot of people, I urge you to get a vaccine. If you take care of someone who is vulnerable, please try to get them vaccinated. If you're still concerned about catching the virus, N95s will be made available.

If you choose not to get vaccinated or wear mask, go about your regular business. There will be no lockdowns and no mask mandate.

But because this virus is constantly evolving, we continue to track its behavior and the effectiveness of the current vaccines and also possible treatments for the disease. If the virus evolves into something more deadly, and booster shots or other measures needs to be taken, we'll let you know.




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Friday, July 30, 2021 10:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

TED:
Las Vegas casino worker and father of 5 dies from COVID-19, texts fiancée: 'I should have gotten the damn vaccine'



Nope. He didn't die of Covid-19.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You, uh, happy that someone died?



Yes. Ted is celebrating this man's death.

Ted is a sociopath.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 2:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So is everybody just going to ignore the fact that the Biden* administration is going to try forcing through a vaccine mandate without officially forcing through a vaccine mandate?

It's still going to be a Constitutional crisis on his hands no matter how they try to spin it.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 9:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL



OPPS

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 12:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So is everybody just going to ignore the fact that the Biden* administration is going to try forcing through a vaccine mandate without officially forcing through a vaccine mandate?

It's still going to be a Constitutional crisis on his hands no matter how they try to spin it.

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If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*

You should be horrified at the [even more] control that's being put in business' hands.

*BTW, you've GOT to stop getting your "news" from Memology101. You can't possily get valuable info in a 9-second clip. It's just like THUGR posting cartoons: All opinion, no facts.


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I'm more concerned with the censorship that's being used to promote this...

Quote:

Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test

Just yesterday, we discussed the censoring of a commentator by Twitter for merely expressing an opinion over the need for a “pause” on any federal mandates on Covid-19 as new research is studied.

Now, a former New York Times science reporter, Alex Berenson, has been suspended for simply quoting the results from a clinical trial by Pfizer and raising questions over any vaccine mandate. In the meantime, the White House accused both the Washington Post and New York Times of irresponsible reporting on Covid, but surprisingly Twitter has not suspended those accounts. It is the license of the censor. Twitter is unwilling to let people read or discuss viewpoints that it disagrees with as a corporation. Many on the left, however, have embraced the concept of corporate speech and censorship. It turns out that the problem with censorship for many was the failure to censor views that they opposed. With the “right” censors at work, the free speech concerns have been set aside.

I have little ability to judge the science on such questions. However, I welcome the debate. Yet, rather than answer such critics and refute their arguments, many people focus on silencing anyone with dissenting viewpoints like Berenson.

Berenson has been effectively confined to Substack by Big Tech due to his discussing dissenting views on the science surrounding Covid-19. His latest offense against Big Tech came when he posted the results published by Pfizer of its own clinical data. He claimed that the research showed little difference in morality between those in the trial with a vaccine and those given a placebo.




https://jonathanturley.org/2021/07/31/twitter-suspends-science-writer-
after-he-posts-results-of-pfizer-clinical-test
/


I hope the image comes thru. The post was that "15 patients who received the vaccine die. 14 patients who received the placebo died"

There is something truly hinky about those statistics.

KIKI, I'm sure you've already figured it out. Let's see if anyone else does.

Despite the fact that the figures are truly misleading, nonetheless they should be brought out in the open and discussed, not censored.

But they're censoring EVERYTHING, not just news about Covid-19.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 4:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*



Not hyperbole.

If you cannot live in America without a shot because businesses are allowed to make it so that you cannot work or eat without one, that is NO different than the government forcing you to get one.

Don't play games.

The people who start shooting everything up if that time comes to pass certainly won't be.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 6:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Signy

The tweet outright states that the vax does NOT reduce the risk of dying from COVID-19.
Quote:

The pivotal clinical trial for the @pfizer #Covid vaccine shows it does nothing to reduce the overall risk of death. ZERO.

15 patients who received the vaccine died, 14 who received the placebo died



How could this happen???!!!! How could we be so misled??!!!

Trying to puzzle this out, a first glance, I noticed missing numbers.
Quote:

15 patients who received the vaccine died, 14 who received the placebo died
15 out of how many ... ? 14 out of how many ... ?
Since there are definitely missing numbers, and missing context, this is hard to interpret.

It required a deeper dig.

I looked most assiduously for the quote tweeted, but didn't find anything.

So I went back to the original tweet by typing in
https://t.co/0rVYHRTjpm
and found it =
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1420839456228118535 .

And I clicked on the photo within and found this
Quote:

During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open label period 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators. Causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups (Table S4).
By entering the full quote into the search engine, no quotes (to account for any formatting characters) I came up with this:
Quote:

https://www.scribd.com/document/517713886/2021-07-28-21261159v1-full
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

Reading it, I found that the quote OBVIOUSLY addressed the safety portion of the trial, looking to see if people who received the vax were at any more risk of dying than people who didn't. And the vax was deemed as safe as getting a placebo. OBVIOUSLY the tweet was a HIGHLY edited snippet, with the author's comments that outright lied about its meaning.

Anyway, I also looked into this (non provided link) source:
Quote:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine



The twit could have provided links to sources, but chose not to. For some strange reason ...




I general I agree with you. Private entities should not be censoring public discussions.



That said, Berenson was beyond shameful. And anything that comes from him should be looked at with deep distrust, since he knows no boundaries when it comes to lying.

cross posted to 'new deadly ...' thread



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Saturday, July 31, 2021 7:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*

SIX: Not hyperbole.

Uh huh.

Quote:

SIX: If you cannot live in America without a shot because businesses are allowed to make it so that you cannot work or eat without one, that is NO different than the government forcing you to get one.

Don't play games.

The people who start shooting everything up if that time comes to pass certainly won't be.

uh huh



Yanno, if you can't make a point without threats of violence, maybe you don't have a point to make.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

That said, Berenson was beyond shameful. And anything that comes from him should be looked at with deep distrust, since he knows no boundaries when it comes to lying.


There is massive lying ON BOTH SIDES. And unfortunately there are gullible people ON BOTH SIDES who believe the lies

I didn't look into as deeply as you did. I immediately stumbled over the fact that the tweet appeared to be saying that 14 people got the shot, all got Covid-19 and died, while 15people got the placebo, all got Covid-19 and died.

I assumed it was a much more innocent mistake, something about population selection.

I didn't realize Berenson was as big a LIAR as SECONDRATE and GSTRING.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*

SIX: Not hyperbole.

Uh huh.

Quote:

SIX: If you cannot live in America without a shot because businesses are allowed to make it so that you cannot work or eat without one, that is NO different than the government forcing you to get one.

Don't play games.

The people who start shooting everything up if that time comes to pass certainly won't be.

uh huh



Yanno, if you can't make a point without threats of violence, maybe you don't have a point to make.



I didn't threaten violence.

It's already established that I could go the next 5 or 6 years without making a dime and I'll be alright. Only then would I have to resort to using my massive amount of credit at my disposal with my 820+ credit score.

Unlike millions... possibly tens of millions of other people who won't get the shot, I've got plenty of time to wait this out. And with many years of near-agoraphobic behavior under my belt, it won't take too much adjusting to slide right back into that mode of operation.

Are you denying the fact that crazy people with guns aren't all around just looking for a reason?

Just be on high-alert whenever you go out is all I'm saying. If you put everybody's back against the wall, there's going to be a Vegas nutjob on every corner.

All the ones killing themselves right now are the ones with too much of a conscience to bring others along to meet their maker.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:36 PM

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




CNN is now saying we need to bar people from working or buying food if they aren't vaccinated.


Keep telling me I'm making this shit up and/or being hyperbolic, Sigs.



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Saturday, July 31, 2021 9:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



But finding the full facts about SARS-CoV-2 delta in the m$m is almost as much of a chore.

I've been somewhat researching SARS-CoV-2 delta and came across apparently conflicting data.




This data from a study by the Kaiser Family Foundation using public sources indicated that, at most, 0.9% of fully vaccinated people will catch SARS-CoV-2 delta, with at most 0.06% hospitalized, and 0.0% deaths. And that means that virtually all infections, and hospitalizations, and all deaths, will occur in the unvaccinated. (It also indicated that the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections in July 2021. Who knew? But that's why KFF had to compile data from states that track the data.)
Quote:

COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-d
ata-from-the-states
/

Percent of Fully Vaccinated Individuals That Have Experienced a COVID-19 Breakthrough Event (interactive graph not able to be linked)






But then there's this:
Quote:

Three-quarters of people infected in Provincetown outbreak were vaccinated, CDC finds
https://www.pressherald.com/2021/07/30/cdc-finds-most-people-in-delta-
fueled-provincetown-outbreak-were-vaccinated
/
The report on the Massachusetts cases, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, offers key evidence bolstering the hypothesis that vaccinated people can spread the more transmissible variant and may be a factor in the summer surge of infections.
The full outbreak, which began over the July 4 holiday weekend, is close to 900 cases, but the analysis included only a subset of 469 cases. About three-quarters of infections occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, and that group had received vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. ... 79% of vaccinated breakthrough infections were symptomatic. Four of five people who were hospitalized were fully vaccinated.

This is just one link among many about this topic, but this one was particularly complete.

And there's this about the same incident:
Quote:

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d950451
9a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1

Though this AP story isn't as complete, it did link a CDC study.

The linked CDC study was a statistical reporting of the outbreak:
Quote:

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w



Looking over all of this, there are definitely missing numbers:
Quote:

469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons.
The number of vaccinated/ infected is out of how many vaccinated/ exposed? If a few thousand vaccinated were exposed, and only a few hundred were infected; and only a few hundred were unvaccinated and exposed, but a few hundred of those became ill, that would put a different meaning into the numbers.

To be fair, those numbers - vaccinated and unvaccinated plus exposed - aren't provided because they aren't known. What is known is that statewide, the vax rate is about 70%. But that number may be percent vaccinated of vaccine-eligible population (age, occupation, and health conditions, as defined by the state) rather than percent of total population. So that missing information causes me a slight pause in interpreting this.

Another gap is an explanation as to how these cases were enumerated. How, for example, did they find the asymptomatic cases? And is there a difference between asymptomatic percent in vaccinated v unvaccinated? (FWIW I'd assume the vaccinated would have more symptoms related to immune response: fever, chills, aches and pains, feeling 'blah', and so on.)




Finally, there's the as-yet-unpublished data about nasal viral load in vaccinated versus unvaccinated. But again, there are questions as to whether or not the virus particles are infectious in the vaccinated people.
Quote:

CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinat
ed-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated
/







All told, I can see why the CDC has changed its mask guidance. While the data is incomplete, there are indications that SARS-CoV-2 delta is more infectious and more severe than 'normal' SARS-CoV-2. Simple prudence should indicate a safer public policy. And masking is one of the least intrusive, and inexpensive, precautions to take. Effective masks like N95 are once again available on Amazon.com.

If vaccines don't provide mucosal antibodies against initial infection, that's completely expectable, given that vaccines are administered by injection and only stimulate the 'inner' immune system.

If SARS-CoV-2 delta is more infectious, I wouldn't be surprised at that either. I've read articles that SARS-CoV-2 is early on its evolutionary path to more transmissible = less deadly. It's mastering the more transmissible part. But it'll take some time for it to master the less deadly part.

(cross posted in 'new deadly ...' thread)


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Saturday, July 31, 2021 9:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



'Threats of violence' doesn't mean YOU threatened violence, Jack. But you certainly don't mind flogging the topic as an inevitability.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

'Threats of violence' doesn't mean YOU threatened violence, Jack. But you certainly don't mind flogging the topic as an inevitability.



It IS an inevitability.

Unlike the Leftists on here that are going to spend an entire year pretending that violence wasn't violence because it was their side doing it, I'm being real, and I'm not going to pretend that there aren't a lot of unstable people with guns who manage to go about their normal daily lives without snapping when things are normal.

The last year has been far from normal. A lot of people have killed themselves because of it, and hardly anybody is talking about all of those people still around that are just barely hanging on to whatever shreds of sanity they still have.

Put their backs up against the wall and tell them they can't ever work again or shop for food and see what happens.


Meanwhile....

EVERYTHING I've said was going to happen has happened.

But just keep going around pretending like I don't know what I'm talking about on this topic.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
All told, I can see why the CDC has changed its mask guidance. While the data is incomplete, there are indications that SARS-CoV-2 delta is more infectious and more severe than 'normal' SARS-CoV-2. Simple prudence should indicate a safer public policy. And masking is one of the least intrusive, and inexpensive, precautions to take. Effective masks like N95 are once again available on Amazon.com.



The mask mandate was never about safety. It was about control and compliance.

If it were about safety, everyone would have been wearing N95. They would have even been provided with them after the shortage of supply was over.

But that's not what happened, and a vast majority of people went out with scarfs, rags or whatever cheap made-in-China fabric masks they could find on Amazon. As long as your face was covered with something... anything... you weren't going to be accosted by staffers or put on YouTube by mask Karens for non-compliance.

It was NEVER about safety.

It was a grand social experiment to see if people have become so weak that the individual can be smothered out by the mob.

The individual lost.



And now they're moving on to the big fish. Attempting the same thing with an untested vaccination. Forcing it on every last individual via any means necessary just short of an official written mandate so they can pretend that there was never a mandate.



This is all stuff Kurt Vonnegut wrote about before I was born and most people today either forgot about or were never even introduced to.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I'd think that a mask mandate would happen before people were being required to show proof of vaccination wherever they went.



Btw, employers have the right - already established in law - to require things like vaccinations, drug tests, and so on. I took my stand against that decades ago when it came to mass drug screening, writing to as many professional organizations and publications as I knew of. But hardly anybody seemed to care at the time.

And stores, restaurants etc have long been recognized as private property, over which the owners have significant control.

And so we now have this well-entrenched precedent, for any employer or business owner to use if they want.



I would require N95 employee masking every place where vulnerable people are being exposed to 'whatever whoever' without any options - like in hospitals, long-term care facilities, rehab centers, and so on.

Other than that, I think prudent people should individually opt to get vaccinated and wear N95's just to be on the safe side.



But that's apparently too radical for you.

But besides, as reasonable as I think I was back then, as reasonable as I think I'm being now, nobody listened to me back then, and they're not listening now.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Did you see this, or did you ignore my video above?



Allowing businesses to force this is NO DIFFERENT than a government mandate.

It IS a Constitutional crisis.

Those that are for this should seriously consider the ramifications of their actions.

They're not being warned of what will happen, because the media and big tech is silencing any dissent. And make NO mistake, there is a lot of dissent.

They do so at their own peril.



We won't be talking about war with Russia or China a year from now.

The war will be on our own streets.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.




A year of waiting and watching me be right about everything so far isn't enough for you, huh?

Fair enough. All we can really do is sit back and wait anyhow. It's not like the individual has any power anymore. The last year proved that beyond any shadow of a doubt.


If I were running things, I'd be fighting against coercion. Why push people over the cliff when things are going so well for them? They've already got so much control over our actions right now.

The last thing I'd want to do is spark a revolution and risk losing all of that.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

A year of waiting and watching me be right about everything so far isn't enough for you, huh?
Right about ... no people dying from COVID-19 for example? as one blazing example of many of you being wrong?

Nah. Your record of being right is spotty.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


My record of being right is impeccable.

You've spent the last 20 minutes not answering any of my questions and not replying to the pertinent parts of my posts.

You know I'm right.




We'll just sit back wait and I'll keep my big 'ole bag of I Told You So's on standby.


Do try not to get coughed on in the meantime though since your vaccination doesn't do what they told you it would when they sold it to you. And try not to think too much about what it's actually doing to you instead.



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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I've addressed all your points.

You just can't admit it, just like you can't admit COVID-19 exists and kills people.

Well, enough posting at each other.

Ta ta!

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I've addressed all your points.



No. You didn't.

Address the point about the mask mandates not being about safety since nobody was wearing N95 and nobody ever forced anybody to wear N95.

It was about control and compliance. Period.

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 9:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.



Quote:

Many experts are calling for businesses and other organizations to mandate vaccines, rather than putting an emphasis on mandating masks. President Biden also took a step on that front Thursday, announcing federal workers would need to get vaccinated or get tested regularly.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/565712-new-mask-guidelines-trigg
er-backlash


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Sunday, August 1, 2021 10:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.



BELOW: NOT one blowhard from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/07/31/cdc_director_walens
ky_on_vaccine_mandate_thats_something_the_administration_is_looking_into.html


Quote:

Walensky on vaccine mandates: "You know, that's something that I think the administration is looking into. It's something that I think we're looking to see approval from the vaccine. Overall, I think, in general, I am all for more vaccination. But I have nothing further to say on that, except that we're looking into those policies."

"As that science evolves, I evolve, with our -- with the CDC, the guidance," Walensky said. "What I will say is, I continue to be humbled by this virus. I have no interest in continuing mask guidance. And the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there."



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Sunday, August 1, 2021 1:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Masks for thee, but not for Me.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dc-mayor-bowser-officiates-
maskless-indoor-wedding-after-reinstated-mask-mandate


OPPS

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 2:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You idiots are willing to go back to last year because of this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/link-between-cases-deaths-grea
tly-weakened-delta-surge


You should be celebrating, dipshits.

The media can't even spin this negatively anymore except to the most frightened among us.

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



You know, I'm really tired of tracking down the one-sided, incomplete information you post.

This is the rest of Walensky's story on vaccine mandates::
Quote:

To clarify: There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government. There will be no federal mandate.
- Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH (@CDCDirector)

Maybe you should do your homework yourself.

from now on, I'll just tell you I don't believe you without going any further, because you post so mush silly stuff, and I end up wasting so much of my time disproving your bunk.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&p=54

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
To clarify: There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government. There will be no federal mandate.
- Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH (@CDCDirector)



A = B, bitch.

Go fuck yourself if you think otherwise.

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Monday, August 2, 2021 8:48 AM

THG


If you put a bunch of these free choice people who refuse to wear a mask and get vaccinated in a room, how many would say they believe in freedom of choice when it comes to abortion? That government should not pass laws taking away people’s right to choose? Do they wear seatbelts, or drive without licenses? Do they even fish without a license?

Do they stop at red lights? Do they teach their children to step out into traffic when the flashing red lights say not to because the government has no right to tell them they cannot?

It is also their right to be stupid and selfish. They need to take a break, calm down and look into a mirror if they dare. If they do the mirror will show them the only person on this earth they care about.


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Monday, August 2, 2021 9:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Cram your 3 paragraphs of false equivalence up your ass, NeoCon Ted.

P.S. I never pass up an opportunity to check myself out in a mirror.

It's a shame that you've never had any good reason to yourself.



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Monday, August 2, 2021 9:23 AM

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Monday, August 2, 2021 9:31 AM

THG


Tennessee GOP rep who rejected masks now says COVID-19 is 'real and dangerous' after his 8-month battle with the virus

"Up until this point in my life, I've been pretty healthy and active. Foolishly, I believed this virus only seriously affected people who are at high risk,"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/tennessee-gop-rep-who-rejected-ma
sks-now-says-covid-19-is-real-and-dangerous-after-his-8-month-battle-with-the-virus/ar-AAMPuEi?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531




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