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Election Fraud Debunking Megathread

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:56 AM

REAVERFAN


Fox “straight news” program explicitly promotes Trump's attempted coup
Harris Faulkner's Outnumbered Overtime tweets out #stopthesteal
https://www.mediamatters.org/harris-faulkner/fox-straight-news-program
-explicitly-promotes-trumps-attempted-coup


Once Shepard Smith left, I knew it was only a matter of time before they turn into a full on propaganda network. Just not enough people to hold down the fort, so to speak. No "straight news" just all opinion. They have to try and keep people from turning to OANN and News Max for everything.



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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I'm not a Conservative. Neither is Trump.

ORLY? Describe what you are.





Ask Ted's NeoCon buddies behind The Lincoln Project if they're happy with my Trump vote.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

So, you don't know. Guess we'll just add that to the giant mountain of things you don't know.

An intellectual and emotional baby.






I don't feel the need to limit myself with labels that dummies such as yourself need to wear like badges in order to function in the real world.


I'm sure a mask-wearing badge-bot like you won't have any problem walking around with your "I Got Covid-19 Shots" button when your Biden* Establishment Gestapo starts breaking your legs if you leave your house without wearing one.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:03 AM

REAVERFAN


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I don't feel the need to limit myself with labels that dummies such as yourself need to wear like badges in order to function in the real world.

You don't feel the need to know what you're talking about, show evidence, or believe facts, either. You're not a conservative or a liberal. Just a baby.



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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:03 AM

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I don't feel the need to limit myself with labels that dummies such as yourself need to wear like badges in order to function in the real world.

You don't feel the need to know what you're talking about, show evidence, or believe facts, either. You're not a conservative or a liberal. Just a baby.





Yup. Except the exact opposite of what you just said.

You don't like facts, so you behave like a child when confronted with them.



Haven't seen you post in the Mask Off or Covid-19 Thoughts thread today, Marcos.

Why is that?



What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


FACTS: https://www.scotusblog.com/election-litigation/

I'd urge you all to follow that page to get the real news on where the election litigation stands.

Any "news" from either side that isn't in accordance to what you see there is non-factual and feels based.

No opinion based bullshit there. Just facts. Just dates of where every legal challenge currently stands, and time stamps on the steps taken to get there.




What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:52 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Once a political party gets into the habit of rejecting facts it doesn’t want to hear, one fact it’s bound to reject sooner or later is the fact that it lost an election. In that sense there’s a straight line from, say, the Republican embrace of climate denial to the party’s willingness to go along with Trump’s attempts to retain power.

And the GOP’s previous history of dealing with inconvenient reality gives us a pretty good idea about when the party will accept Joe Biden as the legitimate winner of the 2020 election — namely, never.



Pray tell... when will Democrats deal with the inconvenient reality that Trump has been the legitimate winner of 2016?

The Democrats' FBI director, James Comey, said the Russians interfered with the 2016 election. Trump said Russia didn't. When James Comey would not stop investigating Russia, Trump fired him, insisting over and over that Trump had not colluded with the Russians, but Comey was investigating Russians, not Trump. Trump never understood that. 6ix still doesn't. The Senate Intelligence Committee got around to finishing what Comey started and found Russia did interfere in 2016. Trump is still saying Russia didn't. Trump is a very peculiar man, misunderstanding simple concepts, as does 6ix, while telling the world he is a very stable genius. He would not have won in 2016 without Russia's interference and Comey's help by telling voters the FBI would continue to investigate the criminality of Hillary's email after the election. Comey's accusation that Hillary was an un-indicted criminal was more than enough to shift a few thousand votes in Trump's favor, winning the election.

"Senate Intel Releases Volume 5 of Bipartisan Russia Report" - August 18, 2020
www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipar
tisan-russia-report


"Donald Trump will be president thanks to 80,000 people in three states"
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be
-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states
/
The most important states, though, were Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump won those states by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too. Or put another way: But for 79,646 votes cast (for 3rd party candidates who couldn't possibly win) in those three states, she'd be the next president of the United States.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 9:15 AM

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Harvard psychiatrist explains Trump's deepening paranoia and why he'll live in 'fantasyland till the day he dies'
https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/harvard-psychiatrist-on-trump/?utm_so
urce=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=6040


Q: How do you think people in the future will make sense of the Age of Trump and all its horrible events?

A: The public, especially all those people who are not particularly informed and who can be pushed either way by whatever is the prevailing norm, will come back to what we used to consider "normal" — at least outwardly sharing American ideals about democracy and decency. In my opinion, the new norm will be to say that Donald Trump was a fascist and he almost took over America. What were we thinking? Trump is a wakeup call that Americans are not different from other people and there will always be a substantial number of people in this country who, when feeling "cheated" and "unheard," will fall again for a fascist leader if we do not address the underlying problems of the country.
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Sounds like a certain Hoosier we know. Voted for Bush twice, but calls him a warmonger, now.



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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 9:26 AM

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More than 1,000 lawyers call for Giuliani’s ‘strike force’ to be disbarred for election fraud conspiracies
Legal experts ask bar associations to condemn and investigate the abuse of law by Trump’s legal team
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/tru
mp-lawyers-giuliani-letter-b1767790.html?utm_source=reddit.com


Nearly 1,500 lawyers on Monday urged the bar associations across the US to initiate an investigation and take action against Donald Trump’s legal team, including his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who are leading lawsuits claiming election fraud.

They argued that the attempts of Mr Trump’s legal team are “indefensible” and they must be penalised.

“It is indefensible for lawyers to falsely proclaim widespread voting fraud, submit a pattern of frivolous court claims and actively seek to undermine citizens’ faith in our election’s integrity,. We condemn this conduct without reservation." said the letter.

The letter said it is obvious that Mr. Giuliani’s aim is “to fuel Mr. Trump’s campaign to delegitimize the outcome of the election.”



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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There are approximately 1.35 MILLION practicing lawyers in the USA, and they come in all stripes and persuasions, from ambulance-chasers to overzealous prosecutors to corporate lobbyists and patent attorneys to creative tax lawyers to fine upstanding practitioners of their profession. I'm not surprised that there are 1,500 or so ideologically-possessed lawyers out there who don't understand the rule of law.

What Trump's legal team is doing is contesting election irregulatrities, which by now have been evidenced by over a thousand affidavits, CCTV footage, statistical implausibilities, and (soon to be) foresnic examination of the voting machines in Wisconsin.

IF BIDEN SUPPORTERS ARE SO SURE OF THEIR "WIN", THEY SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR FROM A CLOSE EXAIMINATION OF THE VOTES AND VOTING SYSTEMS UNDER EVIDENTIARY RULES. THEY SHOULD WELCOME THE INVESTIGATION BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE THEIR WIN SO MUCH THE STRONGER. THE ONLY REASON TO TRY AND HOLD BACK AN INVESTIGATION IS BECAUSE THEY FEAR THE RESULT.

I was mightily disappointed when Al Gore and John Kerry slunk away after having been defeated in elections that looked just as implausible. I was EXTREMELY disappointed when the various Democrat-controlled institutions ... the FBI, the various state legislatures and State Secretaries who control the actual voting process .... did NOTHING to ensure that votes would be done and counted in a reliable and transparent manner.

This massive vote-by-mail scheme has NO reliable chain of custody attached to the votes, and what little there was (signatures on outer envelopes) were immediately tossed away so they couldn't be examined.

I hope that THIS time a proper investigation is done, and that as a result the vote becomes more secure and reliable, because only cheaters want a system that can be cheated

PICTURE ID AT THE POLLS
HAND MARKED BALLOTS
COUNTED BY HAND, IN PUBLIC

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:23 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I hope that THIS time a proper investigation is done, and that as a result the vote becomes more secure and reliable, because only cheaters want a system that can be cheated

Sorry to tell you, but the investigation was done. What were the results? That electronic voting machines cannot be audited and won't be switched to paper ballots, which can be audited:

A fundamental flaw of direct-recording voting machines—that is, ones where you pull the lever on an old mechanical machine or you touch the touch screen on a modern one—all of those machines end up being completely impossible to audit. There’s no way to know whether the machine was honest or not, short of taking it apart and actually being able to inspect the mechanism. We have no good way of doing that with software. The complete lack of any auditable record of the count, so that you had to completely trust programmers, was a real problem.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/an-expert-on-voting-machines-explai
ns-how-they-work
/

Voting methods and equipment by state
https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_state
Direct recording electronic (DRE) systems: DRE systems employ computers that record votes directly into the computers' memory. These interfaces may incorporate touchscreens, dials, or mechanical buttons. The voter's choices are stored by the computer on a cartridge or hard drive. Only some DRE systems are also equipped with Voter-Verified Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT) printers, which produce paper records that can be preserved to be tabulated in case of an audit or recount.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?
And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:50 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?
And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.

There is a massive, albeit chaotic, operation underway to deepen and expand Trump's longstanding assaults on the norms, traditions, laws, and guardrails of our system of government and politics.

Trump's ongoing claims are a twisted mixtape of fabrications and falsehoods and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, appeared to double down on this approach in surreal appearances last week before the Michigan and Arizona legislatures. Both the Michigan House and the Arizona Legislature have since had to limit operations because of fears that members were exposed to Covid-19 after Giuliani tested positive for the virus and was hospitalized on Sunday.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SIGNYM:

I hope that THIS time a proper investigation is done, and that as a result the vote becomes more secure and reliable, because only cheaters want a system that can be cheated

SECOND Sorry to tell you, but the investigation was done. What were the results? That electronic voting machines cannot be audited and won't be switched to paper ballots, which can be audited:

A fundamental flaw of direct-recording voting machines—that is, ones where you pull the lever on an old mechanical machine or you touch the touch screen on a modern one—all of those machines end up being completely impossible to audit.

Then you've made my case for me: a vote that can't be audited is inadmissible as evidence of anything, even of the result.

But, yanno , they CAN investigate the irregularities. Been audited many times, SECONDRATE. Had our chain of custody reviewed, data photocopied, samples split, filled out questionnaires, had technical experts walk the lab, even done analyses under direct observation. It's called a SYSTEMS AUDIT.

How long did Mueller grind on every fine detail of a hoax? How long did it take to pursue all of the problems of the Boeing Max?

Don't you think our voting system deserves as much scrutiny?

And if our systems flunk, then stop dancing around and fucking FIX THEM.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:26 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SignyM:
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SIGNYM:

I hope that THIS time a proper investigation is done, and that as a result the vote becomes more secure and reliable, because only cheaters want a system that can be cheated

SECOND Sorry to tell you, but the investigation was done. What were the results? That electronic voting machines cannot be audited and won't be switched to paper ballots, which can be audited:

A fundamental flaw of direct-recording voting machines—that is, ones where you pull the lever on an old mechanical machine or you touch the touch screen on a modern one—all of those machines end up being completely impossible to audit.

Then you've made my case for me: a vote that can't be audited is inadmissible as evidence of anything, even of the result.

But, yanno , they CAN investigate the irregularities. Been audited many times, SECONDRATE. Had our chain of custody reviewed, data photocopied, samples split, filled out questionnaires, had technical experts walk the lab, even done analyses under direct observation. It's called a SYSTEMS AUDIT.

How long did Mueller grind on every fine detail of a hoax? How long did it take to pursue all of the problems of the Boeing Max?

Don't you think our voting system deserves as much scrutiny?

Scrutiny? Is that the sum total of your concerns? Especially when every county in the USA does their voting different than every other? That was always the wrongest possible way to design and run a system. You always make me laugh, Signym, at your high mindedness and abstractions that don't even get close to grubby/greasy/muddy reality of machines. The voting system is just another machine that was poorly designed. But the erratic nonsense that happens in law/banking/finance/government/bureaucracies run by people who obviously understand only words and very little about machines or how anything digital, mechanical, electrical or hydraulic works has always amused me.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:

I hope that THIS time a proper investigation is done, and that as a result the vote becomes more secure and reliable, because only cheaters want a system that can be cheated

SECOND Sorry to tell you, but the investigation was done. What were the results? That electronic voting machines cannot be audited and won't be switched to paper ballots, which can be audited:

A fundamental flaw of direct-recording voting machines—that is, ones where you pull the lever on an old mechanical machine or you touch the touch screen on a modern one—all of those machines end up being completely impossible to audit.
SIGNY Then you've made my case for me: a vote that can't be audited is inadmissible as evidence of anything, even of the result.

But, yanno , they CAN investigate the irregularities. Been audited many times, SECONDRATE. Had our chain of custody reviewed, data photocopied, samples split, filled out questionnaires, had technical experts walk the lab, even done analyses under direct observation. It's called a SYSTEMS AUDIT.

How long did Mueller grind on every fine detail of a hoax? How long did it take to pursue all of the problems of the Boeing Max?

Don't you think our voting system deserves as much scrutiny?

SECOND; Scrutiny? Is that the sum total of your concerns? Especially when every county in the USA does their voting different than every other? That was always the wrongest possible way to design and run a system. You always make me laugh, Signym, at your high mindedness and abstractions that don't even get close to grubby/greasy/muddy reality of machines. The voting system is just another machine that was poorly designed. But the erratic nonsense that happens in law/banking/finance/government/bureaucracies run by people who obviously understand only words and very little about machines or how anything digital, mechanical, electrical or hydraulic works has always amused me.



Politicians aren't clueless, they're CORRUPT. The investigations won't be conducted by corrupt politicians. But what WOULD make these pols sit up and take notice would be invalidating non-auditable elections.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:43 PM

REAVERFAN


Sean Hannity’s latest election fraud “evidence” was too bogus for OAN
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/sean-hannitys-latest-election-fr
aud-evidence-was-too-bogus-oan


Even OAN -- which had previously published unhinged conspiracy theories about the antifa ties of a battered septuagenarian protestor and an international cabal’s plot to use the coronavirus to achieve population control -- didn’t stand by the story. Later that same day, the network’s anchor said they were “correcting the record” and that Biden’s address actually received “at least hundreds of thousands" of views.

Trump, however, either didn’t see OAN’s correction or didn’t care. He continued to use the “grossly false tally” during his first post-election rally on Saturday.
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Gotta out-crazy the competition to keep the viewers. Expect this shit to get even nuttier than ever seen in the coming 4 years.



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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Politicians aren't clueless, they're CORRUPT. The investigations won't be conducted by corrupt politicians. But what WOULD make these pols sit up and take notice would be invalidating non-auditable elections.

Who does the "invalidating"? Pay attention to that word invalidating. The corrupt politicians are who. Not you. Not the voters. Not the courts. Not statisticians. Not university professors. We have a perfect example of a corrupt politician invalidating an election: Donald Trump.

So what have conservatives heard over the past month since the election? I hardly have to tell you, do I? Trump has kept up a tsunami of tweets insisting that Democrats cheated on a massive scale. He has launched lawsuits by the dozens to show that he’s serious. Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh (not to even mention lunatics like Mark Levin and Lou Dobbs) have supported the wildest conspiracy theories daily. The Wall St. Journal editorial page has been more middlebrow about the whole thing, as it always is, but even they have insisted that we should let the challenges run their course because, hey, who knows? And among Republican political leaders, the response to Trump’s Twitter rages has ranged all the way from silence to full-blown conspiracy mongering. Only a tiny handful have finally admitted that Biden won.

So if you’re someone who’s already suspicious of Democrats in general—and doubly suspicious of Democratic election fraud, because that’s been a staple of Republican discourse for years—what reason would you have not to believe that Trump was the victim of massive fraud?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:36 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It would be the courts, SECOND, that would be doing the invalidating.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:00 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It would be the courts, SECOND, that would be doing the invalidating.

Wrong. It would be the corrupt politicians writing laws that are interpreted by the courts. If Congress wanted to create a rationalized voting system, it could do it by telling the thousands of counties to either cancel their elections or else follow the rules Congress wrote about how Presidential elections will be conducted. If Congress wants rules followed, it will have to pay the counties to follow the rules, or even better, take elections away from county control and give it to a national agency. The Federal government controls air traffic, using thousands of federal employees and billions of dollars of expensive equipment, not leaving air traffic to counties and states to handle. The Federal government could control elections the same way, but only if Congress passes laws. And as a reminder, Congress is made of corrupt politicians.

How Air Traffic Control Works (there are lessons for smoothly running elections without the electoral equivalent of midair collisions)
https://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/air-traffic-
control.htm


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Voting laws are written into the Constitution.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript#toc-sec
tion-4
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and various amendments and interpretations thereof

https://www.usa.gov/voting-laws#item-212489

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:26 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Voting laws are written into the Constitution.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript#toc-sec
tion-4
-

and various amendments and interpretations thereof

https://www.usa.gov/voting-laws#item-212489

If the Constitution had rules about air traffic control, there would be midair collisions every single day because George Washington knew as little about how to run vote counting after an election as he knew about how to fly an airplane and land it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:05 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Trump got shot down by the Supreme Court this afternoon:

Republican Rep. Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania submitted the final briefing in his request to the Supreme Court to have the presidential election results in his state tossed out—along with, presumably, his own election. Within an hour of that filing, the Supreme Court rejected the appeal, which had been joined by dozens of other Republican members of Congress, in a one-line order with no noted dissents.
https://twitter.com/stevenmazie/status/1336434213277609996

“The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied,” the order stated.

The curt denial was the first time the Supreme Court has weighed in on the ever-expanding pile of lawsuits seeking to overturn the election results. And, with that, Trump and his allies chalked up their 50th court defeat in the president’s desperate legal bid to overturn an election he lost by 7 million votes and in which he did worse than Mitt Romney and only slightly better than Michael Dukakis.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/12/scotus-supreme-court-alito
-amy-coney-barrett-laser-eyes.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:29 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


'The jig is up for Trump'

CNN senior legal analyst Laura Coates says that the Supreme Court ruling denying a request from Pennsylvania Republicans to block certification of the commonwealth's 2020 election results leaves the Trump campaign with no more options to overturn the election.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/12/08/laura-coates-supreme-co
urt-pennsylvania-trump-jig-is-up-sot-vpx.cnn


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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 9:31 PM

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Mitch McConnell Received Donations from Voting Machine Lobbyists Before Blocking Election Security Bills
https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcconnell-robert-mueller-election-secur
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Remember this? Hmm...



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Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:35 PM

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Won't matter if they push it to the Constitution, which is the attempt now.

Federal law doesn't supersede the Constitution, and the only Constitutional deadline for President of the US is on Noon of Inauguration day.



If you think that Federal law really means anything, tell that to all of the states that have currently legalized marijuana for recreational use for that tax revenue despite the fact that it is still illegal to possess or smoke weed on a federal level.



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In North Carolina, only three of the state’s 13 representatives in the House were Democrats after the 2014 congressional election, despite Democrats getting 44 percent of the vote. In 2016, the Democratic Party’s vote share in the state increased to 47 percent, but still only three representatives were Democrats. In 2018, Democrats won an even larger share of the vote—48.3 percent—but still had only three representatives. In 2019, North Carolina’s blatantly gerrymandered district maps were finally struck down by the Supreme Court. And so, this year, the Democrats managed a meager increase in representation—five representatives out of 13—despite again receiving 48 percent of the vote.

Who draws these grossly unfair maps, which are typical of others across the country? The state legislatures, which themselves are often elected using maps that reflect unrepresentative gerrymandering. In North Carolina in 2016, for example, the Republicans won a veto-proof supermajority in the state House of Representatives—obtaining more than two thirds of the seats—despite winning just 52 percent of the vote. Statewide races cannot be similarly gerrymandered, though, and that year, North Carolina voters elected a Democratic governor and attorney general. In response, the lame-duck legislature rushed to take away key powers from those offices. They succeeded. The general assembly then used its veto-proof majority to override 23 of Governor Roy Cooper’s 28 vetoes in the first three years of his term, rendering one of his key remaining powers effectively useless.

When voters try to contest gerrymanders or power grabs, many of the cases end up before the U.S. Supreme Court, where lifetime appointments are made by the president but approved by the Senate. The Senate is so lopsided right now that 26 states containing just 17 percent of the U.S. population elect a majority of senators—the smallest that proportion has ever been. That’s the people in the smallest 26 states. The Republican Party’s Senate majority in recent years has rested on its strength in these rural states. Barack Obama couldn’t even get a Senate hearing for his last nominee to the Supreme Court.

Today, the United States has a House filled with gerrymandered districts, a Senate dramatically tilted toward rural states, some state legislatures controlled by electoral minorities or slim majorities who get to exercise power as if they were overwhelming, and a Supreme Court with three justices appointed by a president who lost the popular vote. Is it any wonder that Trump thinks he can defy the results of the election and cling to power despite losing an election? Or that his party does not stand up for the will of voters?

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20201209012854/https://www.theatlantic.com
/ideas/archive/2020/12/trumps-farcical-inept-and-deadly-serious-coup-attempt/617309
/
"Acting as if the GOP is trying to stage a coup is the best way to ensure it won’t."

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Trump’s campaign to pressure GOP elected officials to support his claims of a rigged election — and his success in convincing a majority of the party that widespread voter fraud occurred — is already showing signs of having far-reaching effects that will reshape the Republican Party for years to come.

State party chairs are tearing into their governors. Elected officials are knifing one another in the back. Failed candidates are seizing on Trump’s rhetoric to claim they were also victims of voter fraud in at least a half dozen states.

Trump has wrenched open the schism between the activist class and the elected class, according to interviews with more than a dozen Republican Party officials and strategists in the states.

“This is Hatfield and McCoy stuff, but it’s McCoy on McCoy, or Hatfield on Hatfield,” said Michael Brodkorb, a former deputy chair of the Minnesota Republican Party. “To see activists across the country really just with pitchforks and torches at the capitols … it’s just bonkers.”

In the short term, the forces unleashed by Trump threaten the party’s prospects in the Jan. 5 Georgia Senate runoff. But the infighting also stands to reshape the party for the long haul, with implications for the midterm elections and the presidential nominating contest in 2024.

Enmity between the Republican Party’s populist and establishment wings has existed in some form for years, long predating Trump. But Trump’s domination of the party has exacerbated the gulf between them, and his persistent demand that Republicans choose sides has left little room for compromise.

More at www.politico.com/news/2020/12/08/trump-gop-blow-up-443461

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:56 AM

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^ Good.

They'll keep the seat warm for him.


Or maybe they should just buy him a new seat. It's going to be pretty cold and smell like shit with 4 years of a corpse sitting on it.

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Is it any wonder that Trump thinks he can defy the results of the election and cling to power despite losing an election? Or that his party does not stand up for the will of voters?



Let's quit pretending this was a mandate.

If there wasn't any fraud (which there absolutely was), Trump got enough votes in 2020 to have won any single Presidential election before 2020.

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Is it any wonder that Trump thinks he can defy the results of the election and cling to power despite losing an election? Or that his party does not stand up for the will of voters?



Let's quit pretending this was a mandate.

If there wasn't any fraud (which there absolutely was), Trump got enough votes in 2020 to have won any single Presidential election before 2020.

Lincoln only got 39.8% of the votes, which is not a mandate. Should he have immediately surrendered to Confederate President Jefferson Davis, who received 97% of votes, which is an extraordinary mandate? Lincoln could have saved many lives by peacefully, graciously turning power over to Jeff Davis! The best people admired handsome, debonair Jeff Davis and were extremely enthusiastic about his policies. Meanwhile, the best people were dubious about homely, short on looks Lincoln and hardly anyone had a reason to celebrate his victory, especially Lincoln who predicted what would be happening next.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_presidential_election

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 5:09 PM

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SECOND
Quote:

Lincoln only got 39.8% of the votes, which is not a mandate.


Someone is confused. If Lincoln got roughly 40% of the vote and Davis got roughly 97% of the vote, that totals to 137%.

Also, you seem to be contradicting yourself on your previous arguments. Previously you insisted that the popular vote and ONLY the popular vote should demonstrate a mandate. Now you seem to be saying that a mandate from the voting public isn't necessary in order to be a good President.

Or are you saying that Lincoln should never have become President?

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
SECOND
Quote:

Lincoln only got 39.8% of the votes, which is not a mandate.


Someone is confused. If Lincoln got roughly 40% of the vote and Davis got roughly 97% of the vote, that totals to 137%.

Also, you seem to be contradicting yourself on your previous arguments. Previously you insisted that the popular vote and ONLY the popular vote should demonstrate a mandate. Now you seem to be saying that a mandate from the voting public isn't necessary in order to be a good President.

Or are you saying that Lincoln should never have become President?

When Lincoln got 40% of the votes for President, Senator Jefferson Davis angrily resigned from the US Senate. Jeff Davis wasn't leaving politics, but he couldn't be a President and a Senator at the same time. He had decided that he would be a much better President than Lincoln could ever be and he preceded, after being appointed provisional President, to take from Lincoln control over bits and pieces of the United States. For a job well done, Jeff received 97% of the slave-owners' votes for a 6 year term as Confederate President, in an election campaign where he promised to be an excellent President, far better than Lincoln. Trump is promising to be an excellent President. That isn't a believable promise, especially if you look back at how well he has performed since 2016.

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 7:23 AM

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With 17 states now joining Texas to overthrow the results of the election, it is now clear that outright opposition to democracy is not at the Trumpian fringe but rather at the outright center of the Republican Party.
https://twitter.com/steveliesman/status/1336813461460889603

“If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.” - David Frum



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Thursday, December 10, 2020 7:29 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Half the country is down with it buddy.

They've turned you Pro-Establishment.

Hope you're proud of yourself.



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Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:



One Third Of US States Have Now Joined Texas SCOTUS Bid To Overturn Election



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/09/us/politics/trump-texas-supreme-cou
rt-lawsuit.html


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/missouri-joins-texas-taking-electi
on-fight-supreme-court

The lawsuit, which seeks to invalidate millions of votes, makes more sense as an audition for a pardon than as a legal document.

Pardon for who? Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. Paxton, after all, is reportedly under investigation by the FBI for alleged bribery and abuse of office. Trump, meanwhile, has been distributing pardons to his allies like candy. Paxton’s suit makes more sense as pardon-bait than it does as a legal document. And he may need presidential clemency to escape the federal criminal charges that could be imminent.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/12/ken-paxton-texas-lawsuit-s
cotus-election-pardon.html


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Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:16 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
SECOND
Quote:

Lincoln only got 39.8% of the votes, which is not a mandate.


Someone is confused. If Lincoln got roughly 40% of the vote and Davis got roughly 97% of the vote, that totals to 137%.

Also, you seem to be contradicting yourself on your previous arguments. Previously you insisted that the popular vote and ONLY the popular vote should demonstrate a mandate. Now you seem to be saying that a mandate from the voting public isn't necessary in order to be a good President.

Or are you saying that Lincoln should never have become President?

When Lincoln got 40% of the votes for President, Senator Jefferson Davis angrily resigned from the US Senate. Jeff Davis wasn't leaving politics, but he couldn't be a President and a Senator at the same time. He had decided that he would be a much better President than Lincoln could ever be and he preceded, after being appointed provisional President, to take from Lincoln control over bits and pieces of the United States. For a job well done, Jeff received 97% of the slave-owners' votes for a 6 year term as Confederate President, in an election campaign where he promised to be an excellent President, far better than Lincoln. Trump is promising to be an excellent President. That isn't a believable promise, especially if you look back at how well he has performed since 2016.

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So, how did Lincoln become Presdient with only 40 pct of the popular vote?

By YOUR argument, he shouldneve have become President at all!

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:19 AM

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Quote:

So, how did Lincoln become Presdient with only 40 pct of the popular vote?

By YOUR argument, he shouldneve have become President at all!

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If you lived in the US, you might have studied US history, and you could answer that.



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Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:34 AM

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What really happened to Lincoln...



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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
SECOND
Quote:

Lincoln only got 39.8% of the votes, which is not a mandate.


Someone is confused. If Lincoln got roughly 40% of the vote and Davis got roughly 97% of the vote, that totals to 137%.

Also, you seem to be contradicting yourself on your previous arguments. Previously you insisted that the popular vote and ONLY the popular vote should demonstrate a mandate. Now you seem to be saying that a mandate from the voting public isn't necessary in order to be a good President.

Or are you saying that Lincoln should never have become President?

When Lincoln got 40% of the votes for President, Senator Jefferson Davis angrily resigned from the US Senate. Jeff Davis wasn't leaving politics, but he couldn't be a President and a Senator at the same time. He had decided that he would be a much better President than Lincoln could ever be and he preceded, after being appointed provisional President, to take from Lincoln control over bits and pieces of the United States. For a job well done, Jeff received 97% of the slave-owners' votes for a 6 year term as Confederate President, in an election campaign where he promised to be an excellent President, far better than Lincoln. Trump is promising to be an excellent President. That isn't a believable promise, especially if you look back at how well he has performed since 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

So, how did Lincoln become Presdient with only 40 pct of the popular vote?

By YOUR argument, he should never have become President at all!

Lincoln got zero votes in the states that now elect Trump:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election


The better question is how did Lincoln get reelected? He can thank his generals Grant and Sherman for killing and burning the way to another term in office. In his second presidential campaign, Lincoln ran against a third general, George B. McClellan, who Lincoln fired because McClellan wasn't eager to murder slave-owners to win the Civil War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1864_United_States_presidential_election


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Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:







lol

Keep track of Ilhan Omar's list of demands for Joe Biden* and how many of them get
fulfilled (SPOILER ALERT: ZERO).

Then get back to me in four years and tell me if you think that you didn't lose too, buddy.



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Friday, December 11, 2020 2:11 PM

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Quote:

SECOND Lincoln only got 39.8% of the votes, which is not a mandate.

SIGNY Someone is confused. If Lincoln got roughly 40% of the vote and Davis got roughly 97% of the vote, that totals to 137%.

Also, you seem to be contradicting yourself on your previous arguments. Previously you insisted that the popular vote and ONLY the popular vote should demonstrate a mandate. Now you seem to be saying that a mandate from the voting public isn't necessary in order to be a good President.

Or are you saying that Lincoln should never have become President?

SECOND When Lincoln got 40% of the votes for President, Senator Jefferson Davis angrily resigned from the US Senate. Jeff Davis wasn't leaving politics, but he couldn't be a President and a Senator at the same time. He had decided that he would be a much better President than Lincoln could ever be and he preceded, after being appointed provisional President, to take from Lincoln control over bits and pieces of the United States. For a job well done, Jeff received 97% of the slave-owners' votes for a 6 year term as Confederate President, in an election campaign where he promised to be an excellent President, far better than Lincoln. Trump is promising to be an excellent President. That isn't a believable promise, especially if you look back at how well he has performed since 2016.

SIGNY So, how did Lincoln become Presdient with only 40 pct of the popular vote?

By YOUR argument, he should never have become President at all!


So SECONDRATE, have you decided whether the popular vote should decide the Presidency?

Have you figured out the contradiction in your own POV, yet?

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Friday, December 11, 2020 2:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

So SECONDRATE, have you decided whether the popular vote should decide the Presidency?

Have you figured out the contradiction in your own POV, yet?

Give up, Russian troll. You got your ass handed to you, yet again.



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Friday, December 11, 2020 2:53 PM

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Trump files motion to argue in person before U.S. Supreme Court that he won election
If the justices let Trump join a Texas lawsuit, it would create the extraordinary circumstance of a president asking the top court to decide that the millions of votes did not count
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/trump-files-motion-to-appear-in-pe
rson-to-support-texas-bid-to-undo-election-loss-at-supreme-court


“Both procedurally and substantively, it’s a mess,” Justin Levitt, an election law professor at Loyola Law School in California, said of the Texas lawsuit. “There’s zero chance the court agrees to take the case.”

Trump is represented by John Eastman, a conservative legal scholar who drew criticism for falsely questioning whether Vice President-elect Kamala Harris is eligible to serve as vice president because her immigrant parents were born outside the United States.





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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

So SECONDRATE, have you decided whether the popular vote should decide the Presidency?

Have you figured out the contradiction in your own POV, yet?

Lincoln was elected President with less than 40% of the popular vote. In that election, the losers lost because they split their votes between three competing candidates, two of which then joined the Confederacy. What about the third one? That was famous Mr Stephen A. Douglas. He only won a single state, Missouri, and died in June 1861 from a heart attack. Not that he necessarily would have, but he didn't live long enough to overthrow Lincoln in a war.

Before Lincoln was inaugurated, the losers planned to assassinate him, but he evaded the losers. The losers then coalesced around Jefferson Davis as their new President. The Army calling Davis its president killed about a million Americans in retaliation against the election of Lincoln. That Army was defeated by Lincoln's Army. Despite that, the spiteful losers in the election of 1860 had one more killing to go: Abraham Lincoln. That's your history lesson for today, Signym.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Secession_and_inaugurati
on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election

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Friday, December 11, 2020 6:10 PM

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Republicans want more than a coup: Trump's loyalty test exposes their hatred for democracy
More than half of House Republicans and 17 GOP attorneys general have outed themselves as traitors
https://www.salon.com/2020/12/11/republicans-want-more-than-a-coup-tru
mps-loyalty-test-exposes-their-hatred-for-democracy
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