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Election Fraud Debunking Megathread

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:13 PM

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:29 PM

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Lawyers Litigating for Trump Suddenly Remember Their Licenses Are on the Line If They Lie to a Judge
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/lawyers-litigating-for-trump-sud
denly-remember-their-licenses-are-on-the-line-if-they-lie-to-a-judge
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Not to mention their freedom. Judges hate to have their time wasted on frivolous lawsuits.

A good read.



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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:53 PM

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Whatever you say, cartoon man. /sarcasm off

snicker

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:19 PM

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Whatever you say, Russian troll.



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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:20 PM

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Joe Biden's win grows more decisive each day as votes are counted
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/11/politics/joe-biden-2020-election-win/in
dex.html


Biden's Lead in Georgia Grows to Over 14,000 Votes
Any lingering doubts about whether Trump or Biden won Georgia seem to be evaporating with each report from the Secretary of State's office.
https://www.cbs46.com/news/bidens-lead-in-georgia-grows-to-over-14-000
-votes/article_9a4fc26a-2423-11eb-a2da-cbaed3fb589d.html




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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Whatever you say, cartoon man. /sarcasm off

snicker

Putin is one of a handful of world leaders who have not commented on Biden’s victory. When Trump won in 2016, Putin was prompt in offering congratulations. The leaders of China, Brazil and Turkey also are holdouts in offering congratulations. Russia is characteristically wary of Democratic U.S. administrations because they tend to be more forward about criticizing Russia on human rights and democracy issues.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:39 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


https://thehill.com/regulation/international/525285-turkeys-erdogan-co
ngratulates-biden-on-winning-election


Turkey's Erdogan congratulates Biden on election win

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday became the latest world leader to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, Reuters reported.

Erdogan said in a statement that the Turkish government is “determin[ed] to work closely with the U.S. Administration” in the days ahead, according to the news service.

Biden has been a frequent critic of the Turkish president, calling him an “autocrat” and telling The New York Times editorial board that, as president, he would back opposition leadership “by the electoral process.”

Kemal Kiliçdaroglu, leader of the opposition Republican People’s Party, was the first Turkish political figure to offer Biden his congratulations.

“I would like to congratulate Joe Biden for his election as the 46th President of the United States of America and Kamala Harris as Vice-President. I look forward to strengthening Turkish - American relations and our strategic alliance,” he tweeted Saturday after Biden was declared the winner of the race for the White House.

============

Erdogan also said, "Trump who? I really didn't know him that well..."

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



"Election Fraud Debunking Megathread"

It took YEARS before statisticians showed that 2004 was hacked.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071210162916/http://www.commondreams.org
/headlines04/1106-30.htm

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

There was an actual published report by academicians that was all over the inet at the time, but of course, you can't find it now. THANKS! google and wiki! Way to go with erasing the past!



I suspect it'll take YEARS before this election is unscrambled, assuming anyone bothers.


But, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:57 PM

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It’s Not a Coup. Not Yet, Anyway.

According to a Politico/Morning Consult poll, 70 percent of Republicans say they don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair. Keep this in mind:

Pentagon finally confirms near total decapitation of civilian leadership in the last 24 hours. Secretary of Defense Esper fired Monday, the top Pentagon Policy official, top Defense Department intelligence official, and chief of staff to the Defense Secretary all out today
4:05 PM · Nov 10, 2020

Why does Donald Trump suddenly want a bunch of loyalists in charge of the Pentagon? Isn't it a little hard to come up with answers that don't involve the words coup d'état?

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/11/its-not-a-coup-yet/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:48 PM

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Military families angry after Trump campaign appears to accuse them of ‘criminal voter fraud’
‘We take our duties as citizens very seriously’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-vo
ter-fraud-claims-military-election-veterans-day-criminal-b1721284.html?utm_source=reddit.com


Trump hates our military. They'll stand in the way of a coup, unless he can fire qualified people and replace them with his cultists. He doesn't want a competent military, just a loyal one, like the slimy people he puts in every other position.



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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Why does Donald Trump suddenly want a bunch of loyalists in charge of the Pentagon? Isn't it a little hard to come up with answers that don't involve the words coup d'état?
This goes into the 'Predictions' thread, along with Trump barricading himself in the Oval Office.

Here ya' go: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=17

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Why does Donald Trump suddenly want a bunch of loyalists in charge of the Pentagon? Isn't it a little hard to come up with answers that don't involve the words coup d'état?
This goes into the 'Predictions' thread, along with Trump barricading himself in the Oval Office.

Here ya' go: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=17

1kiki, you misunderstand. It is not a prediction when you tell somebody that smoking causes cancer or driving drunk causes accidents. It is a warning. For a political example: Republicans get haughty and disdainful when warned that CO2 and methane cause climate change. Specific example: Trump saying climate change is a hoax. When there is a blizzard in winter, a Republican will scoff at this talk of global warming. Another political example: changing out the leadership at the Pentagon is a warning sign that Trump is thinking about a coup d'état, not about troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. Another warning sign: suing to overturn an election is a strong warning sign that Trump won't leave the White House peacefully in the very near future. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but either way a President should not be saying that the election was stolen until he has proof.

Every Insane Thing Donald Trump Has Said About Global Warming
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/12/trump-climate-timeline/
Trump has contradicted himself a thousand times in his attempts to fool different people about what he will do when President. Once he became President, it became clear that climate change is a hoax to Trump, but he never stopped fooling people about what he believes.

Every insane thing Trump did after becoming President:
What is the Trump administration’s track record on the environment?
www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/what-is-the-trump-administrati
ons-track-record-on-the-environment
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:10 AM

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Donald Trump Has Suffered a Defeat of Historic Proportions
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-lost-denial-pompeo/

The president may deny reality, but it’s still reality. He’s losing the popular vote and the Electoral College by far greater margins than many past elections.
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Joe Biden is currently winning that election by a higher percentage of the national popular vote than Reagan did in his historic victory over President Jimmy Carter.
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Biden has won the presidency with a higher percentage of the vote than Trump in 2016, George W. Bush in 2004 or 2000, Bill Clinton in 1996 or 1992, Reagan in 1980, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Richard Nixon in 1968, John Kennedy in 1960, or Harry Truman in 1948.
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What’s especially striking is the scope of Biden’s win as a challenger to a sitting president. Now that he has surpassed Reagan’s 1980 percentage in the race with Carter, Biden’s getting a higher percentage of the vote than any rival to a incumbent since Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt upended Republican Herbert Hoover in 1932.
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Trump’s been defeated resoundingly.


The people have spoken. Trump is out, bigly. He will be remembered as the worst president in history.




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Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:44 AM

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USPS ‘Whistleblower’ Told Agents Project Veritas Penned His Ballot-Tampering Claim
https://www.thedailybeast.com/usps-staffer-richard-hopkins-told-agents
-project-veritas-penned-his-ballot-tampering-claim?ref=home


Is anyone surprised?



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:43 AM

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Trump Supporter Admits Voter Fraud, Says She Voted Twice For President in Viral Video
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporter-voter-fraud-president-viral-v
ideo-1546876


Found the fraud!



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:20 PM

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More Republican election fraud in FL.

Evidence suggests several state Senate candidates were plants funded by dark money
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/11/11/evidence-suggests-severa
l-state-senate-candidates-were-plants-funded-by-dark-money
/

Comparisons of the no-party candidates' public campaign records show similarities and connections that suggest they are all linked by funding from the same dark money donors, and part of an elaborate scheme to upset voting patterns.

In one of those races, District 37, a recount is underway because the spread between the Democratic and Republican candidates is only 31 votes. The third party candidate received more than 6300 votes.

That third party candidate is Alexis Rodriguez, who has the same last name as the Democratic incumbent senator Jose Javier Rodriguez. The Republican challenger is Ileana Garcia.

Alexis Rodriguez falsified his address on his campaign filing form last June. The couple who now live at the Palmetto Bay address say they have been repeatedly harassed since then by people looking for Rodriguez, who hadn’t lived there in five years.

Local 10 visited Rodriguez’s place of business Tuesday, where Rodriguez lied about his identity. Pretending to be a business partner, Rodriguez shed little light on his sudden candidacy in the District 37 race and lack of fundraising or campaigning.

Local 10 began investigating Rodriguez’s candidacy because of a hunch by Executive Producer Natalie Morera de Varona last month. She was collecting candidates' headshots for election broadcast graphics and was curious why a candidate was nowhere to be found, not returning phone calls.

A search of campaign documents filed by Rodriguez led to a money trail and campaign finance connections with other no-party third candidates in Florida Senate District 9 in Central Florida, and District 39 in Miami-Dade.

The District 39 candidate is 81-year-old Celso Alfonso, a retiree who named the woman he calls his wife as campaign treasurer. She owns a day spa, and the home where we found Alfonso Tuesday afternoon.

He, too, lied about his identity at first, and finally admitted to being the candidate.

Alfonso claimed he had a lifelong dream to be in public service. He said he filed on his own, that no one assisted him.

A comparison of candidates Alfonso and Rodriguez show unusual similarities.

Both filed as No Party Affiliated candidates, yet both had recently been registered Republicans.

Both qualified as candidate on the same day, June 12, 2020, by paying a qualifying fee.



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:58 PM

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Post-election audits find no fraud in Arizona.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/arizona-audits-no-fraud/index.
html


Biden is ahead by 11,390 votes, or about 0.34 percentage points, and more than 3.3 million ballots were cast statewide. As of Thursday morning, there are fewer than 25,000 ballots remaining to be counted, according to the secretary of state's office. CNN has not projected a winner.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 9:43 PM

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DHS agency: 'Nov. 3 election was most secure in American history'
https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/dhs-agency-nov-3-election-was-mo
st-secure-in-american-history


A federal government agency under the Department of Homeland Security says this election was the “most secure in American history.”

In a statement from the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency, part of DHS, the agency and state elections officials there is no evidence any voting system was compromised.

Since Election Day, President Donald Trump and his advisers have claimed of widespread fraud and said thousands of illegitimate votes were cast and filed lawsuits in multiple states where he is trailing.

To this point, Trump’s campaign or its attorneys have yet to produce any significant evidence showing that despite repeatedly making the claim. In some cases, his campaign’s lawyers aren’t even trying to prove fraud took place.
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Evidence. If there is evidence, let's see it. The only attempts at election fraud have all come from trumptards.



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 9:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63996&p=1

"How Many States Actually Have Rampant Election Fraud?"


It took YEARS before statisticians showed that 2004 was hacked.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071210162916/http://www.commondreams.org
/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

There was an actual published report by academicians that was all over the inet at the time, but of course, you can't find it now. THANKS! google and wiki! Way to go with erasing the past!



I suspect it'll take YEARS before this election is unscrambled, assuming anyone bothers.


But, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?


And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63996&p=1

"How Many States Actually Have Rampant Election Fraud?"


It took YEARS before statisticians showed that 2004 was hacked.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071210162916/http://www.commondreams.org
/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

There was an actual published report by academicians that was all over the inet at the time, but of course, you can't find it now. THANKS! google and wiki! Way to go with erasing the past!



I suspect it'll take YEARS before this election is unscrambled, assuming anyone bothers.


But, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?


And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

You're such a Russian troll. If you lived here, you'd be Tim Pool or Krystal Ball. Maybe Jimmy Dore or Lee Camp.



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




I believe I have finally found the 2004 report.

http://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison
-Mitofsky.pdf


Quote:

ElectionArchive.org Page 22 4/12/05

Summary

There is already a strong case that there were significant irregularities in the presidential vote count from the 2004 election. Nevertheless, critics are asking for firmer proof before going forward with a thorough investigation25. We feel strongly that this is the wrong standard. One cannot have proof before an investigation.

...

The absence of any statistically-plausible explanation for the discrepancy between Edison/Mitofsky’s exit poll data and the official presidential vote tally is an unanswered question of vital national importance that demands a thorough and unflinching investigation.



And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:19 PM

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“The pattern has been that the later-returned ballots in those states tend to be more Democratic and the ones turned in earlier tend to be more Republican,” he said.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/02/just-how-does-the-gen
eral-election-exit-poll-work-anyway
/

Can you tell us why that is, particularly in 2020, class? Hello?




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Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

“The pattern has been that the later-returned ballots in those states tend to be more Democratic and the ones turned in earlier tend to be more Republican,” he said.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/02/just-how-does-the-gen
eral-election-exit-poll-work-anyway
/


Full quote, in context:
Quote:

Colorado, Oregon and Washington are the only three states that conduct their elections entirely by mail, and Lenski has noticed trends based on when ballots are turned in.

“The pattern has been that the later-returned ballots in those states tend to be more Democratic and the ones turned in earlier tend to be more Republican,” he said.


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Friday, November 13, 2020 12:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

“The pattern has been that the later-returned ballots in those states tend to be more Democratic and the ones turned in earlier tend to be more Republican,” he said.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/02/just-how-does-the-gen
eral-election-exit-poll-work-anyway
/


Full quote, in context:
Quote:

Colorado, Oregon and Washington are the only three states that conduct their elections entirely by mail, and Lenski has noticed trends based on when ballots are turned in.

“The pattern has been that the later-returned ballots in those states tend to be more Democratic and the ones turned in earlier tend to be more Republican,” he said.


Thanks for saying nothing significant again, Russian troll.

Keep reaching for relevance.



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Friday, November 13, 2020 9:18 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


To win the election outright, Trump would have to overcome a roughly 60,000 vote deficit in Pennsylvania, a 11,400 vote margin in Arizona and a 14,100 margin in Georgia.

He is also attempting to overcome deficits of about 36,866 votes in Nevada, 20,500 in Wisconsin and 146,100 in Michigan. Here are the key dates and events to watch for in each of these states over the coming weeks:

More at https://www.marketwatch.com/story/here-are-dates-to-watch-in-trumps-le
gal-fight-to-overturn-the-u-s-election-11605274956


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, November 13, 2020 10:17 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


President Trump's niece, Mary Trump, explains to CNN's Chris Cuomo why she does not believe her uncle will make another run at the presidency in 2024. It's only 1 minute long, but the shorter version is that Donald won't put himself again into the humiliating position of losing. Other reasons: his age, bad diet, poor exercise routine, and untreated mental illnesses might make it impossible. Also, being in jail. Ha! Ha!

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/11/13/mary-trump-niece-donald
-2024-presidential-run-cpt-vpx.cnn


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, November 13, 2020 11:08 AM

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Law Firm Stops Representing Trump Campaign in Pennsylvania Suit
Porter Wright said in a court filing that it would no longer represent the campaign in a federal lawsuit alleging widespread voter irregularities.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsy
lvania.html


The firm’s withdrawal followed an article in The New York Times on Monday described internal tensions at the firm about its work for Mr. Trump’s campaign in Pennsylvania. Some employees said they were concerned that the firm was being used to undercut the integrity of the electoral process. One Porter Wright lawyer resigned in protest over the summer.

Porter Wright, based in Columbus, Ohio, has received at least $727,000 in fees from the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee, according to federal election disclosures.
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When you've got no case...






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Friday, November 13, 2020 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Law Firm Stops Representing Trump Campaign in Pennsylvania Suit
Porter Wright said in a court filing that it would no longer represent the campaign in a federal lawsuit alleging widespread voter irregularities.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsy
lvania.html


The firm’s withdrawal followed an article in The New York Times on Monday described internal tensions at the firm about its work for Mr. Trump’s campaign in Pennsylvania. Some employees said they were concerned that the firm was being used to undercut the integrity of the electoral process. One Porter Wright lawyer resigned in protest over the summer.

Porter Wright, based in Columbus, Ohio, has received at least $727,000 in fees from the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee, according to federal election disclosures.
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When you've got no case...

I think Trump should fight and fight some more. He still has 1 lawyer left in Pennsylvania. When that lawyer finally quits, then it is time for Trump to quit because without Pennsylvania, Donald has no possible way to win.

That last lawyer? A solo practitioner named Linda Ann Kerns in Philadelphia with an office between the Dunkin' Donuts and Fado Restaurant is not a good lawyer. She is desperate, much like Trump. www.lindakernslaw.com/p.php?l=about

www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/law-firm-biden-trump-pennsylvania/inde
x.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, November 13, 2020 11:40 AM

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Judges, even those appointed by Trump, are not indulgent when it comes to frivolous lawsuits.

If you're going to claim that there was fraud in the most secure election in history, you better come correct.

Lawyers can and do get disbarred for that shit.



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Friday, November 13, 2020 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Judges, even those appointed by Trump, are not indulgent when it comes to frivolous lawsuits.

If you're going to claim that there was fraud in the most secure election in history, you better come correct.

Lawyers can and do get disbarred for that shit.

The saddest thing for the lawyers is Trump won't pay them if they don't win. Why would a self-respecting lawyer work for that dirt bag? If he doesn't need you for another case, he won't pay for this case. If a lawyer doesn't like how Trump treats them, Trump dares them to sue. He has been sued by his own lawyers many times. It is so very funny.
www.newsweek.com/trump-sue-didnt-pay-lawyers-author-new-claims-1460828

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Friday, November 13, 2020 12:01 PM

REAVERFAN


Republicans aren't conceding – and Democrats are bringing a knife to a gun fight

The Republicans’ bid to overturn the election is a full-scale emergency – and yet the Democratic strategy seems to be to pretend it isn’t happening
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/12/trump-election-c
oncede-republicans-democrats


This is a full-scale emergency – and yet the Democratic strategy seems to be to try to pretend it isn’t happening, in hopes that norms win out, even though nothing at all is normal.
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You may be able to MSNBC lib your way through this coup attempt with tweets laughing at Trump, but this is actually serious and even if we get lucky this time, brunch snark is not a long-term strategy against this kind of fascism, and it ain't going away.




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Friday, November 13, 2020 12:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Republicans aren't conceding – and Democrats are bringing a knife to a gun fight

The Republicans’ bid to overturn the election is a full-scale emergency – and yet the Democratic strategy seems to be to pretend it isn’t happening
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/12/trump-election-c
oncede-republicans-democrats


This is a full-scale emergency – and yet the Democratic strategy seems to be to try to pretend it isn’t happening, in hopes that norms win out, even though nothing at all is normal.
---
You may be able to MSNBC lib your way through this coup attempt with tweets laughing at Trump, but this is actually serious and even if we get lucky this time, brunch snark is not a long-term strategy against this kind of fascism, and it ain't going away.

From the article you mentioned: We’ve seen Republican officials and policies continue pretending that Trump didn’t lose the election, and presuming that there will be a second Trump term. This isn’t infantile behavior or an immature temper tantrum – it is part of a cutthroat plan. They are trying to normalize the idea that regardless of how Americans actually voted, a second Trump term is inevitable because state legislatures and Congress will ultimately hand him the electoral college.

We need a vociferous public campaign focused on preventing state legislators from feeling empowered to ignore their own voters. And such a campaign could be successful because at least some of these states’ legislatures are only narrowly controlled by the Republican party – meaning they may be sensitive to a future voter backlash in 2022 that could come from their actions to steal a presidential election.

And yet … instead of sounding the alarm, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris seem to have settled on a “nothing to see here” approach.

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Friday, November 13, 2020 12:35 PM

REAVERFAN


Liar cites liar, citing another liar...



What a time to be alive. I’m sure this time they totally didn’t pay the person in question or filled out that person’s affidavit themselves. Surely.



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Friday, November 13, 2020 12:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Liar cites liar, citing another liar...

What a time to be alive. I’m sure this time they totally didn’t pay the person in question or filled out that person’s affidavit themselves. Surely.

The latest tweet from Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been. Now they are saying what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!
9:59 AM · Nov 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327279929319432200

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Friday, November 13, 2020 12:52 PM

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“This isn’t about winning the presidency,” former Trump publicist Alan Marcus told me this week. “It’s his exit strategy.”

“It’s not about the vote-counting,” said Rory Cooper, a Republican strategist and a former adviser to Eric Cantor when he was the House Majority Leader. “His entire persona is built on the idea of winning despite his decades of not winning. He’s constantly creating a legend, frankly, about himself rather than a truthful narrative, so I’m not surprised that he’s going to use this to convince his supporters that the election was unfair and that he remains the leader of the Republican opposition.”

He added: “He’s going to have to take care of financial issues once he’s out of office, and he’s going to make a lot of money. He’s going to make a lot of money on books. He’s going to make a lot of money on speeches. He’s going to be able to hold rallies and charge for them. Putting everything from the Southern District of New York aside, and what could happen to him in Manhattan, just on the sheer financial side of it, the martyring of Trump—martyring himself—is good for business.

Cooper said it’s imperative for Trump to keep active the potential for another run in 2024. “Whether he wants to do that or not, the idea that he could do it needs to remain alive from a profitability standpoint,” he said.

www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/13/trumps-crazy-and-confounding
ly-successful-conspiracy-theory-436404


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Friday, November 13, 2020 1:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
...said Rory Cooper



Ask anybody a week from now, let alone after he's dead, who Rory Cooper is.

He's a nobody now. He'll be a nobody next week. He'll be a nobody when he's dead.

Like it or not, whatever happens, Trump is going to be in the history books.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 13, 2020 4:02 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
...said Rory Cooper



Ask anybody a week from now, let alone after he's dead, who Rory Cooper is.

He's a nobody now. He'll be a nobody next week. He'll be a nobody when he's dead.

Like it or not, whatever happens, Trump is going to be in the history books.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

...known as the worst president of all time.



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Friday, November 13, 2020 4:03 PM

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Rudy is the embodiment of trumptards? Yeah, he really is!



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Friday, November 13, 2020 4:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
...said Rory Cooper



Ask anybody a week from now, let alone after he's dead, who Rory Cooper is.

He's a nobody now. He'll be a nobody next week. He'll be a nobody when he's dead.

Like it or not, whatever happens, Trump is going to be in the history books.

In the ranking of worst Presidents of all times, Trump was #3 two years ago. Who was worse? The President immediately before Lincoln was #2. The President immediately after Lincoln was #1. How did that happen? President #1, #2, & #3 all claimed the "unique" crisis they faced couldn't be handled with the powers a President has. God would have to handle it for them. Nobody remembers the names of #1 & #2 without looking them up. Nobody will remember #3 other than he was a fat dumb fucker who got the votes, as did #1 & #2, from a majority of poor white trash with vivid delusions about themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the
_United_States


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Friday, November 13, 2020 4:21 PM

REAVERFAN


Trump lawyers withdraw Arizona lawsuit as US election officials dismiss fraud claims
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/nov/13/joe-biden-donald-
trump-election-result-coronavirus-latest-updates


So much for AZ...

Trump Campaign Gets Laughed Out Of Court For Claiming A Bunch Of Unvetted Webform Submissions Is 'Evidence' Of Voter Fraud
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201112/15314645697/trump-campaign-
gets-laughed-out-court-claiming-bunch-unvetted-webform-submissions-is-evidence-voter-fraud.shtml


Total clown show.





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Friday, November 13, 2020 5:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




It took YEARS before statisticians showed that 2004 was hacked.

http://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison
-Mitofsky.pdf



I suspect it'll take YEARS before this election is unscrambled, assuming anyone bothers.


But, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?


And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Friday, November 13, 2020 5:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:


It took YEARS before statisticians showed that 2004 was hacked.

http://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison
-Mitofsky.pdf



I suspect it'll take YEARS before this election is unscrambled, assuming anyone bothers.


But, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?


And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

Multiple attempts to prove any fraud have failed miserably. Can't prove something happened when it didn't.



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Friday, November 13, 2020 5:11 PM

REAVERFAN

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Friday, November 13, 2020 5:16 PM

REAVERFAN


After calling the presidential election, Fox cast doubt on the results and pushed conspiracy theories more than 250 times
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/after-calling-presidential-elect
ion-fox-cast-doubt-results-and-pushed-conspiracy-theories


Although some have credited Fox in recent days for moderately pushing back on election misinformation or for its one-time decision to stop airing a Trump campaign event full of baseless fraud accusations, the credit is unwarranted. Fox News has repeatedly aided the Trump campaign’s efforts to undermine confidence in the results of the 2020 elections, echoing debunked theories, pushing the idea that Democrats “are trying to steal this from President Trump,” and arguing that Trump is justified in pursuing these claims of a rigged election. And while some Fox hosts have taken pushed back against these false claims, guests who repeat misinformation about voter fraud have repeatedly been invited back on the network, and hosts themselves often repeat the Trump administration’s debunked voting fraud talking points.



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Friday, November 13, 2020 5:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Oh yea of small mind, you failed completely to THINK what the Mitofsky report means.

NOBODY just glanced at the 2004 election and said either it was honest or fraudulent, because the fraud (probably) happened in the electronics without leaving a trace. (Nobody knows since the issue was dropped like a hot potato by BOTH parties and there was no follow-up.)


It took 9 PhD mathematicians, 1 MS mathematician, 1 JD, and an organization looking for answers a lot of time and effort to mathematically unscramble the results and show what happened.

It'll take at least that much examination of THIS election to mathematically unscramble THIS election, too. RIGHT NOW all we have are statements by people who may not have an interest in being truthful. There's no EVIDENCE either way.


So, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", after 2004, why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?




And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Friday, November 13, 2020 5:32 PM

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Trump Takes Credit For ‘Most Secure Election Ever’ But Says It Was ‘Rigged’
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-secure-election-rigged_n_5faec5cb
c5b6d05e86e697b9


Donald Trump attempted to have it both ways Friday as far as election security is concerned.

The president was happy to take credit for holding an election that the Department of Homeland Security called the “most secure in American history” while still insisting it was “rigged.”

Yes. He seriously said that. Here’s the tweet.

“For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been. Now they are saying what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!”


Not surprisingly, Twitter put a note marking the president’s claim as “disputed.”

Other Twitter users also chimed in.
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I give up!










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Friday, November 13, 2020 5:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Oh yea of small mind, you failed completely to THINK what the Mitofsky report means.

NOBODY just glanced at the 2004 election and said either it was honest or fraudulent, because the fraud (probably) happened in the electronics without leaving a trace. (Nobody knows since the issue was dropped like a hot potato by BOTH parties and there was no follow-up.)


It took 9 PhD mathematicians, 1 MS mathematician, 1 JD, and an organization looking for answers a lot of time and effort to mathematically unscramble the results and show what happened.

It'll take at least that much examination of THIS election to mathematically unscramble THIS election, too. RIGHT NOW all we have are statements by people who may not have an interest in being truthful. There's no EVIDENCE either way.


So, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", after 2004, why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?




And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Friday, November 13, 2020 8:25 PM

REAVERFAN


Well, come up with some actual PROOF, and we can discuss it. Until then, Biden won with 306 electoral votes and over 5 million popular votes.

I think most people voted just to get Trump out. I'm not a fan of Biden, but he's not Trump, so he's automatically better.

I'd rather struggle with a milquetoast center-right corporate whore than a full-bore narcissistic fascist. We got uncomfortably close to a fascist coup, and we're still right on the edge of one.

A fun little tweet:

Kellyanne Conway
@KellyannePolls
· Nov 28, 2016
306. Landslide. Blowout. Historic.

She's right, you know. ^ For once.



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Friday, November 13, 2020 8:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I'll be waiting on the people who can parse though the statistics like they did with 2004, because ...

NOBODY just glanced at the 2004 election and said either it was honest or fraudulent, because the fraud (probably) happened in the electronics without leaving a trace.

But 2004 was definitely rigged. Though how that happen nobody knows since the issue was dropped like a hot potato by BOTH parties, and there was no follow-up.



So, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", after 2004, why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?




And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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