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Wednesday, April 22, 2020 11:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, speaking of excess deaths, a 'back of the envelope' calculation based on extremely optimistic data indicates that if the country gets infected at the same rate as NYC (80%, coincidentally when herd immunity is supposed to take hold), then a minimum of half a million people in the US will die of COVID-19. That's roughly 10x the number of people who die from all influenza viruses combined in an entire 'flu' year.




Or if those studies were right about people with antibodies that were never tested, you could look at the optomistic figure that 80x's as many people have it that have been tested and the numbers of deaths are less than half of what you just mentioned.

Current Confirmed Cases: 841,556

X 80 = 67,324,480 hypothetical cases.

US Population: 325,000,000

325,000,000 / 67,324,480 = 4.8


Current Death Count: 46,688

46,688 x 4.8 = 224,102





CDC estimates that 61,000 people died of the flu in the 2017-2018 season.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html



That would only be 3.67 times as many people who died from the flu a few years ago.




And once again it must be stressed that most of these deaths are people who weren't long for the world because of old age and other severe health issues.


Many of them might also have had the flu and would have died from it, but we're only counting deaths that are even remotely adjacent to The Coomph as Coomph deaths in 2020.

We've got to do whatever we can to justify all of the overreactions at this point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:35 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I wasn't just making up numbers.

I took the antibody rate number 0.04 from the USC study and applied it to Los Angeles County population 10M. The reason I applied it to Los Angeles County only is because that's where the test subjects were selected from.

I calculated the number of infected people in Los Angeles County from the infection rate X the population of 10M 0.04 X 10M = 400,000 infected.

Then I calculated the deaths/ infected ratio using the deaths from the LACounty website 750 / 400,000 = 0.001875

I checked the reasonableness of the ratio by applying it to NYC. I applied that ratio to the number of deaths in NYC ~10,000 to calculate the number of infected and got ~5.5M infected in NYC out of 8M. (Using both the Santa Clara and USC studies and applying them to the entire state of California, then using that factor for NYC, I got 12M people infected - which is impossible in a population of 8M and obviously not a reasonable number.)

Assuming that 80% of people in the US get infected that'll be 330M x .80 = 264M infected. If the deaths-per-infected ratio 0.001875 in LACounty is correct, that means 495,000 people will die in the US by the time we (possibly) reach herd immunity, or roughly half a million.

From the CDC influenza deaths
2014-2015 51,000
2015-2016 23,000
2016-2017 38,000
2017-2018 61,000
2018-2019 34,200
Average 41440

But I didn't want to be optimistic about influenza numbers so I decided 50,000 deaths would be a good conservative and defensible number to use.


CONCLUSION: 10x the number of people could die from COVID-19 as in a typical influenza year.

I didn't make any numbers up or use any unsupported assumptions. I used data as it exists to date.


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Thursday, April 23, 2020 3:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You used data that you wanted to use to make a point that you wanted to make.

So did I.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:22 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I used all the available data at the moment, and picked middle of the road values as being most likely. I even ran my calculations through for 'reasonableness' - you know - like not getting 150% of NYC infected.

You used wrong figures (like the US population), unsourced numbers, and extreme estimates to make your point.

If you were working for bush the dubya, you'd be accused of cherry picking.

Which is exactly what you did.

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You've been getting data from the WHO, who has been deepthroating China so bad it is choking on Xi's balls.

Fuck your numbers. You're wrong.

#GETTHEFUCKOUTOFYOURHOUSE

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:54 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Wrong again! I got my antibody data from the USC study - which got similar percentages as the Santa Cruz (Stanford) Study. LACounty death data from the county website. NYC and US population from wikipedia. And my numbers via calculator.

Where are YOU getting YOUR numbers from?

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your mom.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:00 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And JACK posts the ULTIMATE in 5-year-old tantrumming!

Got anything else adult and intelligent to post there, JACK?

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SIX is just pulling stuff outta his ass, again.

I think what happened is that he looked at Trump's guidelines for reopening states' economies and realized that (1) they were more restrictive than mine and (2) Big Daddy Trump didn't have his back.

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


It's hard to say. There could be many things behind his postings. But I personally don't think he researches facts very much.

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:30 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


In Taiwan, coronavirus pandemic is playing out very differently. What does life without a lockdown look like?

Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

Taiwan appears to have emerged from the crisis relatively unscathed. It managed to keep its 11 million-strong labor force working and its economy running.

It has recorded only about 400 cases of coronavirus and six deaths. But with no vaccine in sight, Taiwan is taking no chances. And if its example is any guide, the new normal — life without a lockdown — won’t look much like the old normal at all.

Here’s how Taiwan does it: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:44 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.



I don't think that would play here, not with the chick pea sized, conspiracy fueled brains of most devoted Trumpers.

"There are some things that more important than life! Like Commerce... get out there and spend the money you don't have, lil' Trumpers!"

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX is just pulling stuff outta his ass, again.

I think what happened is that he looked at Trump's guidelines for reopening states' economies and realized that (1) they were more restrictive than mine and (2) Big Daddy Trump didn't have his back.

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I don't pay much attention to Trump. Outside of a few tweets I might have posted here over the years for laughs have I ever posted a video of him giving a speech or even referenced one in a post?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
In Taiwan, coronavirus pandemic is playing out very differently. What does life without a lockdown look like?

Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

Taiwan appears to have emerged from the crisis relatively unscathed. It managed to keep its 11 million-strong labor force working and its economy running.

It has recorded only about 400 cases of coronavirus and six deaths. But with no vaccine in sight, Taiwan is taking no chances. And if its example is any guide, the new normal — life without a lockdown — won’t look much like the old normal at all.

Here’s how Taiwan does it: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Despite what Cap'n Crunch says, that should be pretty terrifying to you.

Australia (thankfully) backpeadled their decision to make a Coomph tracking app mandatory.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/piracy/coronavirus-governmen
t-considers-making-mobile-tracking-app-mandatory/news-story/f2cacdf3ef3dbc844664ae9f648620cf


Quote:

The Prime Minister has conceded the government won’t force Australians to download tracking software after it was viewed by many as a draconian measure to trace coronavirus cases in the community.

On Friday, Scott Morrison said he wanted to make the app compulsory if enough people didn’t sign up for it because at least 40 per cent of the population needs to be on board to make it effective.

But in a tweet this morning, he confirmed it “will not be mandatory”.



That doesn't mean that they won't try guilting the hell out of you to download and use it though.

Quote:

“I know this would be something they might not normally do at an ordinary time but this is not an ordinary time,” he said.

“If you download this app you’ll be helping save someone’s life.”




If I were an Australian Citizen would I be forced to have the app if the law passed as well, even though I don't have or ever intend to have a cell phone again? Would I be forced to go out and buy one and pay a monthly plan out of my own pocket to install this tracking app?



As an aside...

Has anybody else who lives in an area that never has helicopters flying by had a lot of chopper activity? At least 3 per day are flying over the vicinity of my house this week, and that's just the ones flying close enough to be audible.

I could probably count on one hand how many I've noticed in 8 years of living here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


How many people in NYC have been infected with SARS-COV-2?

150% as some data indicates?
100% as JACK claims?

The answer so far is closer to 20%

Quote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-tes
t-ny.html


1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest



But rather than using antibodies in the decision to relax anti-SARS-COV-2 measures, Cuomo is basing his recommendation on numbers of people being hospitalized, about 1,350 patients per day. That number indicates there's still dangerous levels of infection.

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
How many people in NYC have been infected with SARS-COV-2?

150% as some data indicates?
100% as JACK claims?

The answer so far is closer to 20%

Quote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-tes
t-ny.html


1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest



But rather than using antibodies in the decision to relax anti-SARS-COV-2 measures, Cuomo is basing his recommendation on numbers of people being hospitalized, about 1,350 patients per day. That number indicates there's still dangerous levels of infection.




That's not an answer, and it's certainly not a legitimate news source.

You already know that NYT is a partisan shill hack outlet these days. At least you used to know that.

Why are you citing them as a legitimate news source on this issue?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 3:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And now for what could be worse news:

Quote:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/23/data-on-gileads-remdesivir-release
d-by-accident-show-no-benefit-for-coronavirus-patients
/

New data on Gilead’s remdesivir, released by accident, show no benefit for coronavirus patients. Company still sees reason for hope

Quote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-slide-report-gilead-miracle-d
rug-remdesivir-flopped-during-first-clinical-trial


Stocks Dump, Gilead Crashes After FT Reports Gilead's Remdesivir "Flops" In First Clinical Trial

Update (1350ET): How did the FT and Statnews get their hands on the remdesivir study? They were simply perusing the WHO website at the right time and just happened to stumble upon.

However, as I previously posted, that could be because the drug was given AFTER cytokine storm became the primary pathology.

Giving it earlier might still work.

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 3:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


oops

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 3:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

JACK:
and it's certainly not a legitimate news source.

You already know that NYT is a partisan shill hack outlet these days.



Pick whichever 'source' you would prefer, JACK. All you need to do to get your preferred 'source' is to go to google and search out the topic under 'news'.

But perhaps you need someone to do that for you, so here's a start:

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-residents-coronavirus-antibodies-s
tudy-cuomo-2020-4


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/new-york-antibody-study-estimates-13po
int9percent-of-residents-have-had-the-coronavirus-cuomo-says.html


https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-new-york-coronavirus-
antibody-survey-20200423-4mulrpltbvflrpmq6miw7yhzlq-story.html


https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-antibody-study-early-results



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Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

JACK:
and it's certainly not a legitimate news source.

You already know that NYT is a partisan shill hack outlet these days.



Pick whichever 'source' you would prefer, JACK. All you need to do to get your preferred 'source' is to go to google and search out the topic under 'news'.

But perhaps you need someone to do that for you, so here's a start:



New York Times: 1619 Project. Nuff Said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-residents-coronavirus-antibodies-s
tudy-cuomo-2020-4


"Cuomo says"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/new-york-antibody-study-estimates-13po
int9percent-of-residents-have-had-the-coronavirus-cuomo-says.html



"Cuomo says"

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-new-york-coronavirus-
antibody-survey-20200423-4mulrpltbvflrpmq6miw7yhzlq-story.html


"Cuomo said"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-antibody-study-early-results

Fuck Fox News.


Seriously. Why are you going to believe any study that Cuomo says on the issue. The number 21% doesn't even come close to your most bleak predictions for the City.

It's bullshit.

And besides, they're all just essentially plagiarizing the New York Times article and passing it off as their own anyhow. You might as well just read it in the Times.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


JACK, you're in full denial mode.

Cuomo said what he said because that's what his department heads told him.

And people aren't quoting the NYTimes, they're quoting Cuomo. That's why they're all saying the same thing. If news sources were all quoting Cuomo and saying DIFFERENT things, that would be a problem.

But they're using completely different wording, different paragraphs, even highlighting different summaries, not only different from the NYTimes, but from each other.

It's pretty easy to see they're not quoting the NYTimes, each other, or anything else, except Cuomo.



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Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:03 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
In Taiwan, coronavirus pandemic is playing out very differently. What does life without a lockdown look like?

Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

Taiwan appears to have emerged from the crisis relatively unscathed. It managed to keep its 11 million-strong labor force working and its economy running.

It has recorded only about 400 cases of coronavirus and six deaths. But with no vaccine in sight, Taiwan is taking no chances. And if its example is any guide, the new normal — life without a lockdown — won’t look much like the old normal at all.

Here’s how Taiwan does it: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Despite what Cap'n Crunch says, that should be pretty terrifying to you.

Australia (thankfully) backpeadled their decision to make a Coomph tracking app mandatory.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/piracy/coronavirus-governmen
t-considers-making-mobile-tracking-app-mandatory/news-story/f2cacdf3ef3dbc844664ae9f648620cf


Quote:

The Prime Minister has conceded the government won’t force Australians to download tracking software after it was viewed by many as a draconian measure to trace coronavirus cases in the community.

On Friday, Scott Morrison said he wanted to make the app compulsory if enough people didn’t sign up for it because at least 40 per cent of the population needs to be on board to make it effective.

But in a tweet this morning, he confirmed it “will not be mandatory”.



That doesn't mean that they won't try guilting the hell out of you to download and use it though.

Quote:

“I know this would be something they might not normally do at an ordinary time but this is not an ordinary time,” he said.

“If you download this app you’ll be helping save someone’s life.”




If I were an Australian Citizen would I be forced to have the app if the law passed as well, even though I don't have or ever intend to have a cell phone again? Would I be forced to go out and buy one and pay a monthly plan out of my own pocket to install this tracking app?



As an aside...

Has anybody else who lives in an area that never has helicopters flying by had a lot of chopper activity? At least 3 per day are flying over the vicinity of my house this week, and that's just the ones flying close enough to be audible.

I could probably count on one hand how many I've noticed in 8 years of living here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This ain't Australia; Taiwan is tracking only quarantined people, not everybody:

Arriving passengers at the airport must hand over their mobile phones so health authorities can record the details and use the GPS signals provided by telecoms operators to track the phone’s owners — and make sure they stay isolated during 14 days of mandatory quarantine. . . .

Even with cellphone tracking, someone needs to enforce quarantine guidelines. In Taiwan, local officials have been enlisted to help.

Taiwan's borough chiefs, the lowest level elected officials, now must call people quarantined in their jurisdiction twice a day to make sure they are not fooling authorities by leaving their tracked phone at home while they go out.

This turned out to be quite a headache for Tseng Chiung-mei, a Taipei borough chief who at one point had to check on more than 100 quarantined people.

"Each day my borough’s director and I were making endless phone calls," said Tseng, adding that many of those quarantined in her borough were single people with no family to help them.

“They would call me and ask me to help them buy a boxed meal, instant noodles or a thermometer, because they couldn’t go out,” Tseng said. "They also call us to help them take out their garbage, because their building’s janitor doesn't dare to. Some even say they’re very bored and call us to chat with them."

www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Six had an interesting thought that I've been noodling about ever since. He said that the "lockdown" has been in place for 8 weeks ... long enough to form new habits.

What are some of the negative habits being reinforced?

Well, beating up on your significant other, maybe.
Drinking.
Spending endless hours on the internet.

But what about postive habits?

Cooking and eating at home, with the family.
Spending time with your kids.
Walking the dog.
Gardening, cleaning, or home improvement.
NOT running to the store to buy the latest purse or drill if you need a "lift'.
NOT running off to the casino for a little fun.

It's not all negative. People are saying they see kids playing in the streets again, like they used to see. I've seen it myself: Mom, watching the kids from down the length of the street.

I hope the biggest habit that breaks is mindless consumerism.




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Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This is in response to all of the celebrities who, seeing no oppty to stick their faces into the public eye, are tweeting and instagraming endlessly about Covid-19.

Who the fuck cares about them? Maybe another positive result will be diminishing celeberity worship.



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Thursday, April 23, 2020 11:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Six had an interesting thought that I've been noodling about ever since. He said that the "lockdown" has been in place for 8 weeks ... long enough to form new habits.

What are some of the negative habits being reinforced?

Well, beating up on your significant other, maybe.
Drinking.
Spending endless hours on the internet.

But what about postive habits?

Cooking and eating at home, with the family.
Spending time with your kids.
Walking the dog.
Gardening, cleaning, or home improvement.
NOT running to the store to buy the latest purse or drill if you need a "lift'.
NOT running off to the casino for a little fun.

It's not all negative. People are saying they see kids playing in the streets again, like they used to see. I've seen it myself: Mom, watching the kids from down the length of the street.

I hope the biggest habit that breaks is mindless consumerism.




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Well...

It hasn't been 8 weeks yet. It just feels like it.

Another habit I've noticed that a lot of people have is that they forget what day it is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 23, 2020 11:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is in response to all of the celebrities who, seeing no oppty to stick their faces into the public eye, are tweeting and instagraming endlessly about Covid-19.

Who the fuck cares about them? Maybe another positive result will be diminishing celeberity worship.



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Nice. I can dig it.

Saw this one the other day by one of my YT favs.



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Friday, April 24, 2020 3:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HAHAHA! No kidding!

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Friday, April 24, 2020 3:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, another GOOD habit people might be forming: Getting enough sleep!

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Friday, April 24, 2020 8:33 AM

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That's going to vary wildly on the person.

I had a lot of free time before this, even when I was working, but my sleep habits have never been normal. I benefit from being alone though, so I can just sleep whenever I feel like it so it's not a problem.

There's also depression. I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



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Friday, April 24, 2020 10:27 AM

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SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

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Friday, April 24, 2020 12:34 PM

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SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



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Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

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Hey... maybe they are. Maybe they should die.

But at the end of the day if they do, it's the government who did it.


Had everything not been shut down, they would have had a 99% or more chance of living. Even higher than that because they're not unhealthy physically.



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Friday, April 24, 2020 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



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Hey... maybe they are. Maybe they should die.

But at the end of the day if they do, it's the government who did it.


Had everything not been shut down, they would have had a 99% or more chance of living. Even higher than that because they're not unhealthy physically.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

At the end of the day, THEY did it.

Evolutionarily, SIX, there are times when people had to work hard to survive, but there were times when people had to hunker down. If they can't stand hunkering down they wouldn't have survived those times.

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Friday, April 24, 2020 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

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Hey... maybe they are. Maybe they should die.

But at the end of the day if they do, it's the government who did it.


Had everything not been shut down, they would have had a 99% or more chance of living. Even higher than that because they're not unhealthy physically.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

At the end of the day, THEY did it.

Evolutionarily, SIX, there are times when people had to work hard to survive, but there were times when people had to hunker down. If they can't stand hunkering down they wouldn't have survived those times.

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That's funny, coming from a woman who's biology for a few hundred thousand years has dictated that you stay at home and do the nurturing.

Men need shit to do.

That's why there have already been so many suicides among men the last few decades before this shutdown happened compared to women.


Enjoy your lockdown and self righteousness, Karen. Sleep tight at night knowing that all the people who start offing themselves did it to themselves. At least you won't catch a cold.

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Friday, April 24, 2020 1:19 PM

SIGNYM

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Yep, men need shit to do. Everybody needs agency over their future. That's why I've decried the loss of meaningful jobs over the past number of decades. If jobs are permanently lost because of this virus, it's because they weren't any better than Do you want fries with that?" McJobs, didn't serve an essential purpose, and weren't worth re-creating.

Here's a thought: There is ALWAYS shit to do to control your future. Plant a garden. Learn to preserve food. Learn a new DIY skill. Become an "essential" worker (they're hiring!). Become an EMT. Form a Neighborhood watch.

WEAR A FUCKING MASK AND WASH YOUR HANDS.

If your dad and brother can't find a purpose in this time, they're not looking very hard.

So when the death rate from covid-related suicide reaches 2000/day, let me know. Otherwise .... zzzzzzzz.

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Friday, April 24, 2020 8:44 PM

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When your Kung Flu stabilizes the birth rate and brings us to a point that we aren't adding to the overpopulation problem every single day, wake me up.

Otherwise, I could give a shit less about it.



And, BTW... I don't give personal examples just so you can sit in judgement of people who are close to me. I do so because there are a shit ton of other people out there just like them. Are you really a cunt, or did this virus panic just make you that way?

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Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:29 AM

SIGNYM

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SIX, you're the one who started down the road of "let the weak die".
I'm just bouncing it back.
Not very nice, is it?

I DO feel for your family. Believe me, I know what it's like to take care of, and worry about, a fragile family member.
It doesn't sound like anyone has money problems, so it's more about feelz.

If you're that worried, call your brother more often. Every day, if necessary. Even more often, if it helps.
Your dad can safely visit him without potentially infecting him if he just wears a mask and has your brother do the same. You can too, except your car might not make it.

But just ... call. Talk to him. And not just once in a while. Call your dad, too.
In these stressful days, the best antidote is to take action.

Anxiety is what dwells in the space between what we know we should be doing, and what we're not doing. I have so much to do, I can't imagine how anyone could have "nothing" to do. Netflix sounds like an escape from anxiety, not boredom.

But, what do I know? Just call your family and stay in touch more often!


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Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:16 PM

SIGNYM

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I love it! Celebrities getting another well-deserved roasting for their gratuitous self-promotion during the time of covid-19.

"We're all in this together"

HA!



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Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What irks me even more than that are the commercials pretending to 'care' about you as they let you know how easy they've made parting you from your money.

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Saturday, April 25, 2020 3:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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SIX, you're the one who started down the road of "let the weak die".
I'm just bouncing it back.
Not very nice, is it?

I DO feel for your family. Believe me, I know what it's like to take care of, and worry about, a fragile family member.
It doesn't sound like anyone has money problems, so it's more about feelz.

If you're that worried, call your brother more often. Every day, if necessary. Even more often, if it helps.
Your dad can safely visit him without potentially infecting him if he just wears a mask and has your brother do the same. You can too, except your car might not make it.

But just ... call. Talk to him. And not just once in a while. Call your dad, too.
In these stressful days, the best antidote is to take action.

Anxiety is what dwells in the space between what we know we should be doing, and what we're not doing. I have so much to do, I can't imagine how anyone could have "nothing" to do. Netflix sounds like an escape from anxiety, not boredom.

But, what do I know? Just call your family and stay in touch more often!


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I talk to them close to everyday.

You run out of stuff to talk about though, when one person is doing DIY stuff and the other two are watching news and Netflix most of the day.

I'm not worried about them being suicidal. Especially my old man. But it's obvious they're depressed. I almost get the feeling that I'm making him feel bad when I'm talking about work I'm getting done right now. So what do you talk about? We've talked this virus bullshit to death. I don't give a shit what shows they're watching and have no interest in watching any myself.

I thrive in this lifestyle. Mine has hardly changed at all from what it was going into this outside of a few minor inconveniences and the fact I'm starting to look like a hobo.

I am worried about my brother drinking again though, and the lack of sleep is worrisome too. He's disabled and he lives 250 miles away from any family. My old man is stuck with my youngest brother who, though a true genius, has OCD and is already a germaphobe and needs to take lead testing kits any time he touches something metallic (no joke). Being with my old man and my step mom is probably the best place in the world for him right now, but it's not doing dad any favors. He has no desire to go down to visit my brother right now because 95% of the residents in his building are seniors.


You get to have your daughter right there with you during all of this bullshit. Consider yourself lucky.

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Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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I talk to them close to everyday.
You run out of stuff to talk about though, when one person is doing DIY stuff and the other two are watching news and Netflix most of the day. We've talked this virus bullshit to death. I don't give a shit what shows they're watching and have no interest in watching any myself.

I find the people who are hardest to communicate with are people with whom you have no ongoing relationship. So you talk about the few big things.. got divorced 10 years ago, kid's still living at home .. or the weather. And then there's nothing left to say.
So if you can't talk with them, it's because you have no ongoing relationship. You don't know them or their lives very well. You don't know who they know, you can't talk about the people they know, you can't talk about what those people have done or said, or what anybody else says or thinks ... And you have no interest in relating with where they are now - not even for the length of a phone call - because it's just not 'your' thang.
It sounds to me like you never actually could speak with your dad. This just made it really obvious.
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I almost get the feeling that I'm making him feel bad when I'm talking about work I'm getting done right now.
You mean, you can't talk with him the same way you post here? How surprising. Not. Because all you ever post about is you. And how you want to flush the weak and the old without a care in the world.
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So what do you talk about?
Nothing. They're strangers to you, and you to them. And you won't change that because you have no interest in expending the least bit of effort for anyone but you.
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I am worried about my brother drinking again though, and the lack of sleep is worrisome too. He's disabled and he lives 250 miles away from any family.
And?
What are you going to do about it?
Oh, that's right, you're not in a position to be of use to anyone but you.
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My old man is stuck with my youngest brother who, though a true genius, has OCD and is already a germaphobe and needs to take lead testing kits any time he touches something metallic (no joke). Being with my old man and my step mom is probably the best place in the world for him right now, but it's not doing dad any favors.
And you're not doing anybody any favors at all.


Because the life of me, myself, and I, suits you.

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Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:40 PM

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I'm not allowed to go into his building. My old man is, but just to bring in food and stuff my brother needs to live.

I offered to let my brother stay here. That was about to happen until one day they both had a light switch flip because they're watching too much news and they thought he might not be able to go back into his building at a later date if he left it.


And really. What the fuck is there to talk about right now? NOTHING is going on.


Don't you judge my family. Go fuck yourself cunt.

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Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Your father is driving 250 miles one way to bring him groceries? Or is he coming up from Florida to do that?

Here's the thing.

You've spent a lot of time pretending that COVID-19 is just a flu/ cold. The facts say otherwise. The cold doesn't kill people. And yet in under 2 months COVID-19 has killed 53,755 people, so far. In under 2 months, that's more than all the influenza deaths combined in an entire flu year.

Or if you don't believe the numbers, look at the news reports: dozens of trailers stacked with dead people, hospitals overflowing with COVID-10 patients, and mass graves. When did the last cold do that? The answer is never.

But then your logic zig-zags. Despite all the evidence, there's no risk you say -

- except for the old and 'weak'. And they should just be unaccommodated so they don't use up even the smallest bit of your life.

So on the one hand, you claim there's no risk to your family. And on the other hand you allow there's risk for the old and 'weak'. I'd say that category fits your father and brother. But apparently one idea in your brain hasn't run into the other idea. So you're perfectly fine with thinking any risk to the old and 'weak' is not worth doing anything about.


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Sunday, April 26, 2020 3:12 AM

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Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:14 AM

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How Scientists Could Stop the Next Pandemic Before It Starts

Researchers believe they could pre-emptively create vaccines and drugs to fight a wide range of viral threats — if they can get sufficient funding.

The real obstacle to making panviral drugs or vaccines has been that no one was willing to pay for their development. For pharmaceutical companies, panviral vaccines are simply a terrible business proposition: Companies have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to develop a shot that people will get once a year at most — and not at all in years when no particular disease is ascendant.

Panviral drug treatments are unprofitable for similar reasons. For one, the course of treatment is short, usually just a few weeks; for chronic diseases (diabetes, high blood pressure), patients take regimens of pills daily, often for years. (One person noted that Gilead’s stock price actually dropped after the company produced a revolutionary hepatitis C drug. Because the treatment completely cured patients, the market for it started to shrink, undermining the company’s bottom line.)

Governments, meanwhile, have been reluctant to fund panviral development — both because it’s expensive and because the rewards can feel remote, especially as many diseases originate in other countries. “We don’t prevent well; we respond well,” Daszak notes. “Remember when Obama got $5 billion for the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, and U.S. troops went to help fix the problem? That’s heroic. How heroic is it, three years before Ebola, to say, ‘We’re going to fund a massive program in West Africa to help these poor countries get ready in case an outbreak happens?’ He’d be laughed out of the room!”

The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) is running a trial for a vaccine against Nipah virus, a zoonotic virus — one that exists in animals but can infect people — which can cause acute respiratory illness and fatal encephalitis. “This is the classic example,” Daszak says. “So far, there have been only a few outbreaks, so the market is minuscule: a few thousand people a year get it, in Malaysia or Bangladesh. But it infects a wide range of animals, and that means it’s likely to keep crossing over into people. And if it ever broke out, it could be a pandemic with very lethal consequences.”

In the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic, people are going to realize that spending money on organizations like CEPI is a good investment — especially when you realize how much having a vaccine against the coronavirus would have offset the damage and destruction and disruption that we’ve seen.

The big question, according to nearly everyone I spoke with, is whether we’ll manage to maintain this political and financial will over time. Racaniello and Daszak both remember being sure that after SARS and Ebola, pandemic prevention would be a priority; instead, each outbreak was quickly forgotten. And while it’s hard to imagine forgetting the current disaster, researchers worry that funding and attention will once again fade in the face of competing pressures. As Rancaniello observed, the combined 2019 budgets for the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation was $47 billion — less than 7 percent of the $686 billion allocated to defense. “I would argue that viruses are just as much a threat as a bad nation would be to the military,” Racaniello said.

Or as Daszak put it: “We don’t think twice about the cost of protecting against terrorism. We go out there, we listen to the whispers, we send out the drones — we have a whole array of approaches. We need to start thinking about pandemics the same way.”

More at www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/magazine/pandemic-vaccine.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:00 AM

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Your father is driving 250 miles one way to bring him groceries? Or is he coming up from Florida to do that?



Your mixing up my old man and my step dad. The old man is in the south Chicago suburbs.

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Here's the thing.

You've spent a lot of time pretending that COVID-19 is just a flu/ cold. The facts say otherwise. The cold doesn't kill people. And yet in under 2 months COVID-19 has killed 53,755 people, so far. In under 2 months, that's more than all the influenza deaths combined in an entire flu year.



It has much more in common with the cold than the flu. The only problem here is that it is "novel". After it kills the people it's going to kill and herd immunity sets in, just like other coronaviruses it becomes just another form of the cold.

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Or if you don't believe the numbers, look at the news reports: dozens of trailers stacked with dead people, hospitals overflowing with COVID-10 patients, and mass graves. When did the last cold do that? The answer is never.


All in New York, and most of that in the City. Plenty of stories in the media stating that in most places in the country not only are hospitals not even close to capacity, but they've had to furlough workers because of the shut down. It's such a non-secret the media isn't even trying to hide that fact and a simple Google search will give you plenty of articles stating it.

If New York City itself were a state, it would have more deaths than the top 41 states of the union combined.

Stop focusing on New York.

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But then your logic zig-zags. Despite all the evidence, there's no risk you say -

- except for the old and 'weak'. And they should just be unaccommodated so they don't use up even the smallest bit of your life.

So on the one hand, you claim there's no risk to your family. And on the other hand you allow there's risk for the old and 'weak'. I'd say that category fits your father and brother. But apparently one idea in your brain hasn't run into the other idea. So you're perfectly fine with thinking any risk to the old and 'weak' is not worth doing anything about.




My old man isn't technically "old" yet. He's also quite healthy for a man his age. My brother has a disability, but he's not prone to getting sick.

I'm much more concerned about their mental well being than any small risk of physical problems from a virus that has a near zero chance of doing anything harmful to them. Particularly my brother who had a really bad hand dealt to him in life and has substance abuse issues. Being part of the community down there through church, activities and volunteer work was his life. Now he can't do any of those things, and he's forced to live alone with his thoughts every day.

I can only tell him "you and everybody else" when he starts complaining on the phone about how much he thinks life sucks right now before that starts getting old. It didn't help his state of mind at all when his governor decided to extend the lock down a full month this time until June 1st. At least before the extensions were about 2 weeks at a time, which at least gave the illusion of hope. Now he has to sit there knowing it will be at least 5 more weeks of this bullshit and that it can be extended again at that point.

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Sunday, April 26, 2020 2:42 PM

1KIKI

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JACK:
It has much more in common with the cold than the flu. The only problem here is that it is "novel". After it kills the people it's going to kill and herd immunity sets in, just like other coronaviruses it becomes just another form of the cold.

It's nothing like a common cold. It has much more in common with SARS or MERS, also coronaviruses. And they're nothing like the common cold either. It's not even in the common cold category, it's specifically a SARS virus, and that fact's embedded its name: SARS-COV-2

You're focused on the word 'coronavirus' but you don't understand what it means. So, by way of analogy, it's like saying a shrew has a lot in common with a blue whale because they're both mammals ... and that means a shrew lives in the ocean full-time, and will die outside of it, just like a blue whale, because they're both mammals.
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Or if you don't believe the numbers, look at the news reports: dozens of trailers stacked with dead people, hospitals overflowing with COVID-10 patients, and mass graves. When did the last cold do that? The answer is never.
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All in New York, and most of that in the City. Plenty of stories in the media stating that in most places in the country not only are hospitals not even close to capacity, but they've had to furlough workers because of the shut down. It's such a non-secret the media isn't even trying to hide that fact and a simple Google search will give you plenty of articles stating it.
But all those deaths came with a mere 20% infection rate. If NYC gets to 80% infected, what do you think that would look like? If the rest of the country gets to 80% infected, what do you think that would look like?

And waiting for herd immunity assumes one does get immunity. While that's a hope, it's not a fact.
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If New York City itself were a state, it would have more deaths than the top 41 states of the union combined.

Stop focusing on New York.

NYC could be the future if SARS-COV-2 becomes epidemic anywhere else. It's a lesson on how bad things could get when 20% of the people get infected in such a short time.

One would hope to learn the right lessons and avoid that future. Right?

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But then your logic zig-zags. Despite all the evidence, there's no risk you say -

- except for the old and 'weak'. And they should just be unaccommodated so they don't use up even the smallest bit of your life.

So on the one hand, you claim there's no risk to your family. And on the other hand you allow there's risk for the old and 'weak'. I'd say that category fits your father and brother. But apparently one idea in your brain hasn't run into the other idea. So you're perfectly fine with thinking any risk to the old and 'weak' is not worth doing anything about.

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My old man isn't technically "old" yet. He's also quite healthy for a man his age.
I went looking for case fatality rates by age and found nothing less than a month old. But a majority of deaths occur over the age of 65. As for his health, do you know for a fact he doesn't have one or more risk factors?
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My brother has a disability, but he's not prone to getting sick.
Is he on medication? Then that means his systems are unstable, and prone to being knocked off of a precarious balance.
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I'm much more concerned about their mental well being than any small risk of physical problems from a virus that has a near zero chance of doing anything harmful to them.
That sort of bombastic bloviating doesn't earn you any credibility.
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Particularly my brother who had a really bad hand dealt to him in life and has substance abuse issues. Being part of the community down there through church, activities and volunteer work was his life. Now he can't do any of those things, and he's forced to live alone with his thoughts every day.
Then you should call him OFTEN. Actively reach out. And get other relatives to call him OFTEN. Ask him who's in his church group. Get THEM to call him OFTEN. Go visit him.
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I can only tell him "you and everybody else" when he starts complaining on the phone about how much he thinks life sucks right now before that starts getting old.
Be observant and proactive. If there's something that he's not doing now that he used to do, find a way to make it happen in some fashion. Get him out of the house. Read his favorite bible passages over the phone. DO WHAT IT TAKES, NOT WHAT'S CONVENIENT FOR YOU. There's a lot you and other people could be doing to help him through this.
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It didn't help his state of mind at all when his governor decided to extend the lock down a full month this time until June 1st. At least before the extensions were about 2 weeks at a time, which at least gave the illusion of hope. Now he has to sit there knowing it will be at least 5 more weeks of this bullshit and that it can be extended again at that point.
Then you need to be sure you're doing what you can instead of just playing the blame game about who you're going to point your finger at if something bad happens.

Your house can wait. Things can wait.

Living things don't wait. The time to help is when it's needed, and as much as is needed, not whenever or whatever is convenient. I learned that in all my years working in hospitals. If life's in the balance, you jump on it and throw everything you have at making it tip the right way. And either you care, and you'll do what it takes, or you're just involved in some cosmetic effort at pretending to care.


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Monday, April 27, 2020 12:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I told you that I talk to them nearly every day.

One of my old man's favorite lines, even before this happened, is "I'm all talked out". He doesn't like talking on the phone. He's a bit more of a captive audience these days, but he still doesn't like talking on the phone.

My brother and I can talk for an hour or two one day, and the next day he doesn't want to talk much at all. It's no surprise. He's bi-polar. He's on meds, but meds aren't everything. He's lost everything that he cares about right now because of the shutdown.

My other brother might go down to visit him once per year, if he begs him enough. He doesn't give a shit.

My old man isn't going down unless he absolutely has to. The legacy media and my youngest brother with OCD have him a lot more paranoid about this whole thing than he'd ever lead on.


My car isn't going to make it down there. I go down there 4 or 5 times a year when my old man does. I was supposed to go last time, but his building told him that I can't. Only my dad can go down, and only to help him stock up on stuff and then he has to leave and can't stay overnight like we usually would.

Section 8 housing in Pritzker land. What are you going to do?


I've already offered that he could come live with me for a while. That offer is still on the table. Not much else I can do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 27, 2020 2:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.

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Monday, April 27, 2020 9:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.




Your suggestions were call them (which I do) and drive down to my brother (which I can't).

My offer for him to live here temporarily is always on the table. They were going to do it and then all of the sudden they got cold feet about it. They're afraid that he can't go back to his place if things get even worse and more locked down in Illinois. His building is nearly all senior citizens outside of him and a few other younger people with disabilities.

It probably wouldn't help him too much if he was here. At least I could make sure he wasn't going to start drinking, but he still can't go to church or really do anything. It would make the old man feel better though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 27, 2020 10:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.


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Your suggestions were call them (which I do) and drive down to my brother (which I can't).

My offer for him to live here temporarily is always on the table. They were going to do it and then all of the sudden they got cold feet about it. They're afraid that he can't go back to his place if things get even worse and more locked down in Illinois. His building is nearly all senior citizens outside of him and a few other younger people with disabilities.

It probably wouldn't help him too much if he was here. At least I could make sure he wasn't going to start drinking, but he still can't go to church or really do anything. It would make the old man feel better though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That's your careless reading again. I made a ton of suggestions that don't involve YOU calling them to chit-chat, or driving there.


And get other relatives to call him OFTEN.
Ask him who's in his church group.
Get THEM to call him OFTEN.
Be observant and proactive. If there's something that he's not doing now that he used to do, find a way to make it happen in some fashion.
Get him out of the house.
Read his favorite bible passages over the phone.

Yes, it'll take time and effort. You may need to go WAY out of your comfort zone and spend a HUGE amount of time and effort.

You'll need to call your relatives and get them on board.
You'll need to suss out his church. You'll need to suss out those people. You'll need to get THEM on board to call him and establish regular, reliable contact - something he can count on, besides you. (ETA: as long as they don't try and cheer him out of his rut, or try to keep up an endlessly cheery facade with the expectation he'll join them. Their conversations should engage him in immediate things that are not COVID.)
If he has a doctor/ neurologist/ psychologist/ psychiatrist you might let them know what's going on. There's always a chance his depression is partially neurology-driven and so you might be fighting against the tide without medical help.
If he's drinking, how is he getting his alcohol? Stinkin' thinkin' and drinkin' can lead him to attempt suicide. It sounds like he's in an assisted care residence. Can you find a way to interrupt the drinkin' by finding out how he's getting it? Can you enlist the residence? Because they may be able to interrupt the drinkin'.
What can he do outside of his dwelling? Does he have a hobby or interest that can take him out of his depressed rut?
Does he have a reliable routine? Can you encourage that? I remember a friend talking to his mother every day when she was depressed. : Ma, did you take your medicine? Did you eat breakfast? How are you doing for food? Tell me, what's in your frig. Did you talk with (relative) today yet? Oh really?! How's she doing? : Being depressed often means you give up on regular daily at-home routines. Reestablishing them can help.

I have far more experience with that situation than I've posted about because (for the most part) I don't intrude on other people's privacy. If I posted about my experiences, I'd be posting about those people, too, which I almost never do (as you may have noticed). But there are things you can do to help. You can't guarantee results, but you can do whatever is in your power, and there's a lot of options.



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