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Monday, February 3, 2020 8:15 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Pence is an unknown variable. You don't know anything about Pence. But more importantly, Pence isn't running for President. So, once again, I'm left here wondering what the hell is going on in that twisted mind of yours before you type out your incoherent thoughts. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, February 3, 2020 8:16 AM
Monday, February 3, 2020 11:57 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Pence is an unknown variable. You don't know anything about Pence. But more importantly, Pence isn't running for President. So, once again, I'm left here wondering what the hell is going on in that twisted mind of yours before you type out your incoherent thoughts. Do Right, Be Right. :)"Pence is an unknown variable"? You're kidding, right?
Quote:"You don't know anything about Pence"? You don't know anything.
Quote:"Pence isn't running for President"? You have forgotten 14 vice presidents became president, 8 succeeded to the office on the death of a president. Only 44 men have served as president. www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Vice_President.htm
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Dems could praise V.P. Mike Pence as calm, thoughtful, intelligent, truthful, pays his taxes, never bribed hookers, never bankrupt, never been sued then forced to pay millions in compensation. Vote for Vice President Pence because if Trump dies America will need someone who is the complete opposite of the President.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Or they could just do nothing. Because if Trump dies then America gets President Pence. Are you huffing glue on Saturday or something? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, February 3, 2020 12:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: What we know about Trump: Trump’s Super Bowl interview was 8 minutes of pettiness and empty braggadocio In a lightning round, in which Hannity encouraged the president to say the first thing that came to mind, Trump attacked Democratic presidential candidates. “Look at Sleepy Joe, what’s going on with him? He’s having a hard time,” Trump said of former Vice President Joe Biden. He accused Sen. Elizabeth Warren of being a liar, saying, “I call her ‘Fairy Tale’ because everything’s a fairy tale ... this woman can’t tell the truth.” Sen. Bernie Sanders, Trump claimed, is a “communist” who got married in Russia. The claim prompted Hannity’s only attempt to correct the president; the Fox News personality reminded him that Sanders actually took a trip to the then-Soviet Union shortly after his marriage, and that he wasn’t married there. Given 8 minutes to address the nation, Trump spent it not answering pressing questions of national concern but attacking his rivals in incredibly petty ways. More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/2/21119306/donald-trump-super-bowl-liv-interview-hannity The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Dems can show Trump voters that they have been used and betrayed by Trump. The Dems would be wise not to focus on their candidate but instead pour money into negative advertising, shaming Trump for making promises that he knew he wouldn’t deliver on: Hillary has not been prosecuted; Mexico has paid for no wall; great manufacturing jobs are not going to Ohioans; there are more suicides, drug overdose deaths, and grieving families. Negative advertising will increase the likelihood that these folks stay home on Election Day and not vote for Trump.
Tuesday, February 4, 2020 6:48 AM
Tuesday, February 4, 2020 6:51 AM
Tuesday, February 4, 2020 1:27 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by second: A zombie idea is a belief or doctrine that has repeatedly been proved false, but refuses to die
Tuesday, February 4, 2020 3:08 PM
Tuesday, February 4, 2020 3:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol Like Russiagate or about a hundred other things from the last three years you could throw into that story that would fit. One of them is already in the story. The part about Clinton fixing the economy. When in reality that was a short term boon at the cost of long term pain and loss. It's what the Democrats specialize in. Just ask anybody in Chicago about the great bargain Mayor Daley made selling the parking meter revenue to Middle East interests. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, February 4, 2020 5:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol Like Russiagate or about a hundred other things from the last three years you could throw into that story that would fit. One of them is already in the story. The part about Clinton fixing the economy. When in reality that was a short term boon at the cost of long term pain and loss. It's what the Democrats specialize in. Just ask anybody in Chicago about the great bargain Mayor Daley made selling the parking meter revenue to Middle East interests. Do Right, Be Right. :)Chicago received $1,156,500,000 in 2008 for 36,000 parking meters. That is $32,125 per meter. Matt Taibbi thinks Chicago should have got $138,889 per meter. I think Matt is too greedy. As for the average Chicago resident, they would have no idea how to Calculate Net Present Value for their parking meters. www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/10/why-does-abu-dhabi-own-all-of-chicago-s-parking-meters/339805/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You failed to mention how long Chicago will be without any parking meter revenue and the fact that the Chicago police still need to enforce them on the taxpayer dollar. SPOILER ALERT: Everybody here will be long dead before that contract expires. Probably four or five decades before it does. Democrats are stupid. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:37 AM
Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You failed to mention how long Chicago will be without any parking meter revenue and the fact that the Chicago police still need to enforce them on the taxpayer dollar. SPOILER ALERT: Everybody here will be long dead before that contract expires. Probably four or five decades before it does. Democrats are stupid. Do Right, Be Right. :)I agree that Chicagoans are stupid and 99% can't understand how to calculate the present value of a stream of revenue stretching out over 75 years. They are also stupid to sell their parking meters mainly because they don't want to pay taxes for running the day-to-day operation of their city. But, if self-driving cars become common in Chicago, the revenue from parking meters will go to zero since the cars drive away and never have to park downtown. In that case, selling the parking meters for $1.16 Billion will seem to be brilliant in retrospect from the year 2050, since parking meters are now worthless unless you drive an antique car that still has a steering wheel. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Other cities looked to Chicago’s parking meter deal and they concluded that this was really not the way to go. It turns out that just 13 years into the deal, by 2021, the investors will recoup their entire $1.15 billion investment. So that leaves them with 62 years just to rake in profits.
Quote:if Chicago ever wants to take a parking space out of service, it has to pay exorbitant fees. This means that it’s really hard for the city to do things like build bus lanes, build bike lanes, plant trees … and this comes at a time when demand for parking in the United States and worldwide is declining, and cities are really starting to rethink what their streets can do. So really what Mayor Lightfoot needs to do is renegotiate the deal so that it gives the city autonomy to control its streets again.
Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: THIS is what Democrats in big cities do. This is why so many people are fleeing states like Illinois and California. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:00 AM
Thursday, February 6, 2020 2:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: THIS is what Democrats in big cities do. This is why so many people are fleeing states like Illinois and California. Do Right, Be Right. :)California is doing fine: Sorry Donald, But California Is Kicking Ass Last night, as Donald Trump was taking one of his usual shots at the socialist hellhole of California, I womped up a chart of economic growth by state since the end of the Great Recession. California turned out to be the fastest growing big state in the country. But you might have missed it, so let’s do it again. This time, though, let’s do growth of per capita GDP so we account for population growth. Here are the results for the ten biggest states in the nation: This time it’s not even a close call. California is by far the fastest growing state since 2010, posting an increase in per capita state product from $55,000 to $68,000. Trump can throw out all the insults he wants about climate change, immigrants, and regulations, but the numbers don’t lie. California is kicking ass. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/02/sorry-donald-but-california-is-kicking-ass/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, February 7, 2020 6:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: It will be people who won't vote Democrat who are leaving California.
Friday, February 7, 2020 9:26 AM
Friday, February 7, 2020 11:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The only problem with Code Red is that it's a work of fiction.
Friday, February 7, 2020 12:37 PM
Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol No. The point is that the left has moved FAR left while the right has barely moved since the 80's. The further left they move the more they will lose. He can take his Code Red and shove it up his ass. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:40 AM
Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol No. The point is that the left has moved FAR left while the right has barely moved since the 80's. The further left they move the more they will lose. He can take his Code Red and shove it up his ass. Do Right, Be Right. :)Didn't you want the system disrupted? Where the rich guys are worried about their future? Or do you want to keep the same old status quo that Trump is guaranteeing? Trump promised, I don't know what you think he promised, but did he deliver? If you say that he will deliver in his next 4 to 8 to 12 years, you are gonna be screwed by him. But that's okay with me, that you are being screwed, because the status quo exalts the power and fortune of people who are already too powerful and fortunate. You know? I am a hypocrite for not voting Trump and Pence 2020. This I suddenly realized. I will vote only for Republicans from here on. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, February 9, 2020 8:00 AM
Sunday, February 9, 2020 8:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The system already has been disrupted. If it hadn't been, then people like you certainly wouldn't be complaining as much and as hard as you are.
Sunday, February 9, 2020 11:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: American Factory – best movie ever on globalization and the future of work At the Academy Awards tomorrow, the movie American Factory is heavily favored to win the Best Documentary Feature category. It is a remarkable film and would be a deserving winner. American Factory also just might be the most thoughtful movie ever made on how globalization may impact the future of work. The movie, which was produced by Barack and Michelle Obama’s production company Higher Ground, is now available on Netflix. The movie documents the opening of a Fuyao Glass factory in the small city of Moraine, Ohio and takes place from 2015 to 2017. Fuyao Glass is a Chinese company worth nearly $60 billion that supplies glass to major automobile manufacturers like Ford and General Motors. The factory in Moraine, which is still operating, was Fuyao’s first venture into the US. The plant employs over 2,000 people. The film-makers said: This factory has good benefits but the pay is not great. It starts very low. They fought the union very hard. The role of union-avoidance companies was a real surprise and awakening for us. Fuyao hired a consultant team whose specialty is convincing the workforce that it would be bad for them to have a union. They had a huge impact, we believe, on the union election. There is a well-established playbook and messaging. In the film, they told the workers, “Keep your voice, vote no against the union.” It’s sort of Orwellian in how the language is used to dissuade people from organizing together. The Chinese management were really frustrated with the Americans because they didn’t work fast enough. They didn’t do what they were supposed to do right away. More at https://qz.com/1797007/ American Factory, Documentary In post-industrial Ohio, a Chinese billionaire opens a new factory in the husk of an abandoned General Motors plant, hiring two thousand blue-collar Americans. Early days of hope and optimism give way to setbacks as high-tech China clashes with working-class America. Bittorrent at https://1337x.unblockit.bid Then search for: American Factory The Founder of the company in a direct quote from the movie subtitles: “American workers are not efficient, and output is low. I can't manage them. When we try to manage them, they threaten to get help from the union. How can we make Americans understand that the Chinese can open factories in America? This is a big problem.” I presume the Founder meant that he could open a factory in America with 90% Chinese employees
Quote: rather than 10% Chinese employees and his factory would run much smoother. Comparing what I saw in the movie of different employees working, I can believe he is right about the Asians. But maybe only the best Chinese workers get a chance to come to America to get the same wages as Americans.
Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The system already has been disrupted. If it hadn't been, then people like you certainly wouldn't be complaining as much and as hard as you are.You never did understand that Trump cancelled nuclear treaties. Never understood that military spending is ever increasing. Never understood that the National Deficit is rising like a mushroom cloud, despite the country not being in a recession. Some incalculable mix of shrewdness and sheer luck has kept a nuclear holocaust at bay. Who knows how many wars we can dodge before an alignment of slow-wittedness and misfortune tips the balance the other way. www.justsecurity.org/67666/trumps-aim-to-go-big-on-nuclear-arms-control-should-begin-by-extending-new-start/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Not in the day of the Wuhan coronavirus! This is the false paradigm constantly presented to American workers: You have to compete against low-wage workers elsewhere, or against automation, or you die. Shame on the Obamas for supporting that message. (I always knew they were transnational stoolies.) IF you have a self-sufficient economy then you can have a closed-loop production/ consumption cycle largely independent of what's going on in the rest of the world. That's how America operated forthe first 200 years of its existence. I thought TPTB Big Brains were supposed to be thinking about Big Ideas; but instead they use their mental gymnastics to justify Big Profits, Big Banks, and Big Companies.
Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:11 PM
Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:22 PM
Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, hey SECOND: What are Americans' interests?
Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:31 PM
Quote:SIGNY: So, hey SECOND: What are Americans' interests? SECOND: The correct question is What are Texans' interests? Remember I am from Texas. It was big mistake for Texas, a nation, to join with 49 other states with 98 Senators who don't give a goddamn about Texas. Texas could actual function as a nation, while places like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and the Dakotas could not.
Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SIGNY: So, hey SECOND: What are Americans' interests? SECOND: The correct question is What are Texans' interests? Remember I am from Texas. It was big mistake for Texas, a nation, to join with 49 other states with 98 Senators who don't give a goddamn about Texas. Texas could actual function as a nation, while places like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and the Dakotas could not. Huh. so you hate America and Americans so much that you want Texas to leave the USA? You would willingly work against the United States? I know I've said quite often that you hate America, and you hate Americans. You show FAR more concern for Hispanic immigrants than you do for your fellow citizens. What I can't figure out is ... why? Were you even born here? What's the deal?
Sunday, February 9, 2020 1:16 PM
Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: hate ... hate ... hate ...
Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:39 PM
Quote:SECOND: You keep repeating What are Americans' interests? There are no common interests.
Sunday, February 9, 2020 4:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SECOND: You keep repeating What are Americans' interests? There are no common interests. That's your hate talking. Since you refuse to discuss the topic, or think about it rationally, I suppose you'll never know, will you?
Sunday, February 9, 2020 4:47 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, February 9, 2020 5:09 PM
Quote:SECOND: You keep repeating What are Americans' interests? There are no common interests. SIGNY: That's your hate talking. Since you refuse to discuss the topic, or think about it rationally, I suppose you'll never know, will you? SECOND: If this thing you are so vague about actually existed, wouldn't we know about it? Here are two simple as hell examples of why it does not exist: Minimum Wage: We believe the Minimum Wage Act should be repealed. Social Security Opt-Out: We support reform to Social Security that allows people to opt out. The GOP's list of interests is 334 items long. www.texasgop.org/platform/ I hope you can see how incompatible repealing the Minimum Wage is with what about half of Americans want. Blah... blah... blah...
Sunday, February 9, 2020 5:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: SECOND doesn't ** really ** hate republicans. Or if he does, he loves his food bowl more. The reason I know that is because he refuses to exert any effort or spend any money to defeat, or at least damage, republicans. Naw. His so-called ** hate ** is merely his excuse to exercise his own mental pathologies. And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
Sunday, February 9, 2020 5:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:SECOND: You keep repeating What are Americans' interests? There are no common interests. SIGNY: That's your hate talking. Since you refuse to discuss the topic, or think about it rationally, I suppose you'll never know, will you? SECOND: If this thing you are so vague about actually existed, wouldn't we know about it? Here are two simple as hell examples of why it does not exist: Minimum Wage: We believe the Minimum Wage Act should be repealed. Social Security Opt-Out: We support reform to Social Security that allows people to opt out. The GOP's list of interests is 334 items long. www.texasgop.org/platform/ I hope you can see how incompatible repealing the Minimum Wage is with what about half of Americans want. Blah... blah... blah... What Americans "want" may not necessarily be in their interest. Americans, unfortunately, have been fed bullshit from babyhood. Can we get past that? And picking two extremely narrow programs to demonstrate that Americans have "no" interested in common is dishonest, just like you. Let's start from the basics: Most Americans (except possibly anorexics, those with pica and some other pathologies) have an interest in access to tasty, nutritious food. Correct?
Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:32 PM
Quote:SIGNY: Let's start from the basics: Most Americans (except possibly anorexics, those with pica and some other pathologies) have an interest in access to tasty, nutritious food. Correct? SECOND: If we were talking about nutritious food, a D and R would get into a fight about whether any particular fruit, vegetable or grain was nutritious. Then they would argue about how much salt and sugar and fat can be added before it is no longer nutritious food. blah blah blah
Sunday, February 9, 2020 8:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: How about the next item: Is it in Americans' interests to be able to get enough sleep?
Sunday, February 9, 2020 8:46 PM
Sunday, February 9, 2020 9:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Instead of looking for areas of disagreement, is it possible for you to look for areas of agreement?
Sunday, February 9, 2020 10:25 PM
Sunday, February 9, 2020 10:33 PM
Quote:Climate change seems so small now, but the death toll can be huge (bigger than the Civil War) and we thank the GOP for making it possible since they are nuts.
Sunday, February 9, 2020 10:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Democrats fought to keep slavery. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, February 9, 2020 11:35 PM
Quote:SIGNY: Instead of looking for areas of disagreement, is it possible for you to look for areas of agreement? SECONDRATE: How about abolitionists and slave-owners finding "areas of agreement"? The disagreement ran four score and seven years, ending with a million dead. That takes precedence over "areas of agreement".
Monday, February 10, 2020 12:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Democrats fought to keep slavery. Do Right, Be Right. :)Wrong, 6ix. All those so-called "Democrats" of the Confederacy are long dead. It's a different party now,
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