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French election

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This weekend.

Le Pen (national populist), Macron (centrist), Fillon (center right), and Melenchon (far left) with other candidates and many, many undecided (last I checked, 30% undecided. That's unheard-of.)

The latest Paris attack may have given le Pen a boost, but since nobody will get over 50% there will certainly be a runoff.

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Is this a referendum on Trump?

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:24 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Hopefully Trump's thinly-veiled support for Le Pen after the recent Paris terror attack will boost all the other candidates.

The nightmare scenario is a run-off between far-left Melenchon and nationalist Le Pen, which is what Signy is rubbing her hands hoping for.

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 5:04 PM

6STRINGJOKER


It's all Le Pen.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/presidential-election-could
-lead-rioting-french-cities-intelligence
/

I was going to say that all it is going to take is one more Islamic attack to seal the deal, but that already happened.

Quote:



The report came just two days after a French jihadist claiming allegiance to the Islamic State (Isil) shot dead a policemen on the Champs Elysées avenue in Paris, bringing election campaigning to an early end and thrusting security issues back to the top of the political agenda.

Around 50,000 police officers and 7,000 soldiers will be deployed to protect voters around France on Sunday for the first round, which has turned into a four-way race between Ms Le Pen, Mr Mélenchon, the scandal-scarred conservative François Fillon, and the maverick centrist Emmanuel Macron.

An opinion poll conducted on Thursday and Friday showed Ms Le Pen and Mr Macron tied on 23 percent, ahead of Mr Mélenchon with 19.5 per cent and Mr Fillon on 19 per cent.



This shit almost writes itself. At this point, since I don't really believe anything anymore, I don't know if this was an actual terrorist attack or just a false flag operation.

Maybe if the far left hadn't had their way for so long and put everybody in the Western world in such a vulnerable position everywhere, things like this wouldn't be such a natural occurrence.

They fucked up. Plain and simple. They had all the power pretty much everywhere and look what they've done with it. Utopia? Hardly. People are vulnerable and they are scared.


Republicans didn't get Trump elected. The Democrats did. Same with Brexit. When the EU states start falling like dominoes this year, we know who to blame.

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 5:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Is this a referendum on Trump?


Doubtful. What I see is an "anti-establishment" vote. France is wracked with all kinds of divisions, just like the USA, and the traditional "establishment" parties don't seem to have cured France's ills.

I suppose it depends who you talk to on what people think "the cause" of France's problems are. Some, like le Pen, lay the blame on globalists and their resulting migration crises and globe-spanning system of competition, and would like to w/draw from the EU. Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

I can't say that I'm all that familiar with the candidates besides Marine le Pen (whom I've listened to two or three times) but I'm sure we'll hear a lot more about the runoff candidates later.


Quote:

Presidential election could lead to rioting in French cities, intelligence agencies warn
Well, we know who France's deep state is NOT rooting for!

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

Quote:

Originally posted by G:
*snort* What the...?? Did you really mean to type that? What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing.
==============================

Well GEEBERS

I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39375969
France's Marine Le Pen urges end to Russia sanctions

http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161124/NEWS/161129707
1 big difference between French primary candidates: Russia
Francois Fillon, who polls suggest is the front-runner, wants to end sanctions against Russia ...

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21711030-fran-ois-fillons-win-bod
es-ill-eu-sanctions-frances-election-shows-europes-line-against

France’s election shows Europe’s line against Russia is fraying

ETA
https://en.news-front.info/2017/02/20/french-far-left-candidate-melenc
hon-presents-e270-billion-spending-plan
/




Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:57 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.

Well you've just posted 3 links and are yet to show that he's wrong...

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:04 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Well you've just posted 3 links and are yet to show that he's wrong... -KPO
Well, you've posted multiple threads and are yet to show you can read. Or learn.

Quote:

François Fillon’s victory over Alain Juppé in the presidential primary of the centre-right Republican Party leaves an avowed friend of Mr Putin as the favourite to occupy the Élysée after next spring’s election. (Mr Fillon’s most serious rival, the nationalist Marine Le Pen, has a yet more marked Moscow tilt.)

Mr Fillon’s Russophilia is born of conviction rather than expediency, and he does not hide his views.

And before you get all huffy and say that NOT ALL candidates share that opinion, I didn't say that ALL French people (and their preferred politicians) say that the problem is sanctions, just SOME of them.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing.

Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Well you've just posted 3 links and are yet to show that he's wrong...



I see you're doubling down on GEEBER's trolling.

I'm going to pretend you're too stupid to know better, rather than assume you're too sadistic to do better.

MEANWHILE - for everyone else who comprehends plain English, opinions polls put "Macron at 24 percent, Le Pen at 22 percent, Fillon at 20 percent and far-left Unsubmissive France’s Jean-Luc Mélenchon at 19 percent".

OUT OF THE FOUR TOP CANDIDATES, THREE WANT TO END SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA. The only candidate who wants to keep the sanctions is Macron.

But if we're to believe GEEBERS - AND YOU - 61% of the French support anti-sanction candidates because they are, somehow, 'disloyal'. To what, or to whom, is something GEEBERS hasn't made clear. And I doubt you know, either.




Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


If I want a good dose of snark, I just need to go to Russia Insider. Here is KPO's, THUGR's, and G's worst nightmare

Quote:


France's Election Canceled After Media Crowns Putin Next French Emperor
Europe should stop holding elections. Everyone already knows that Putin will win

Hey French people — are you excited to go to the polls on Sunday and choose your next president?

Of course not. All French citizens with a clue will stay home and count their baguettes, because they know that Vladimir Putin will be their next president.

This is what we are being told by our trusted media. And when have they ever been wrong? We rest our case.

France concerned over Russian interference in elections amid reports of hacking, fake news https://t.co/P7f2GX0Mpm via @AndrewOReilly84 pic.twitter.com/8otHDtw4Xq — Fox News (@FoxNews) April 21, 2017

"Vladimir Putin’s fortunes may be declining in the United States, but he is still well placed to win big in the French presidential election," writes Quartz, which apparently has double-checked the latest Gallup polls and knows that Putin has the French presidential election in the bag.


Here's the thing: Putin was slated to become France's next president months ago. The whole French election, starting with the primaries, has been a giant scam.

Again, we know this because our friends at Quartz say so:


Why is Europe even holding "elections" anymore? Everyone knows that Putin will win. For example, we keep seeing naive fools on Twitter talk about the so-called UK "general election" in May.

Stop wasting your time with these rubber-stamp formalities. Putin will be elected the next Queen of England. And Prime Minister. He will also be crowned the "beef eater" guy with the funny hat who guards London's famous torture tower or whatever.

Serious question: Is Europe really this fragile and insecure? One guy can systematically dismember the West's glorious "democratic" institutions?

Really makes you think.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.- KIKI
Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?- GSTRING

Yes, the difference is that we (KIKI and I) believe that French citizens should be able to decide what their nation's goals are by themselves, while YOU have the unmitigated gall to judge them from afar on who YOU think is "loyal" (to the causes that YOU espouse) and who YOU think isn't.

So, if they're not sufficiently "loyal" (to you and your goals) in sufficient numbers, what are you going to do? Bomb them? Or will you be content to just call them all traitors to your cause?



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, April 23, 2017 12:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Kinda like our ( USA 2016 ) election, isn't it ? No real great shakes, either way.

I've not followed, save for an occasional headline, here and there. Seems there's some mild affiliation between the Brexit, MAGA types and Le Pen, but not really?

Again, not following overly close.


Hope who ever wins, France does something about rampant immigrant violence against her citizens.

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:36 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Supposedly this one means a lot. Brexit did happen, and Le Pen wants out. I believe her when she says it.

Macron is her only real competition. He's an ex-banker globalist that wants to remain in the EU. He formed his own party and likes to pretend that he's a centrist, but he's the charismatic plant the rich liberals put in to face off against Le Pen and maintain the status quo.

The more important election will be in October in Germany. Either way this election goes I think in the long run will be good for the German election. Either Le Pen gets in and puts the crackdown on immigration or Macron gets in and the murder and rape continues.

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Is this a referendum on Trump?


Doubtful. What I see is an "anti-establishment" vote. France is wracked with all kinds of divisions, just like the USA, and the traditional "establishment" parties don't seem to have cured France's ills.

I suppose it depends who you talk to on what people think "the cause" of France's problems are. Some, like le Pen, lay the blame on globalists and their resulting migration crises and globe-spanning system of competition, and would like to w/draw from the EU. Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

I can't say that I'm all that familiar with the candidates besides Marine le Pen (whom I've listened to two or three times) but I'm sure we'll hear a lot more about the runoff candidates later.


Quote:

Presidential election could lead to rioting in French cities, intelligence agencies warn
Well, we know who France's deep state is NOT rooting for!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.



So, who will Putin allow to win this one?

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Macron and Le Pen go to the runoff. In that case Macron is predicted to win.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:14 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Macron and Le Pen go to the runoff. In that case Macron is predicted to win.



Uh-huh. They've been predicting that Le Pen would lose since... well... before they were predicting that Clinton was going to win and Brexit wasn't going to be a thing. Guess we'll find out if they were right.


I don't know who Putin is rootin for, but I did see this...

Quote:

Russian Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar called on French Jews to leave their country if the far right politician Marine Le Pen is elected president next month.


Read more: http://forward.com/fast-forward/369752/russian-chief-rabbi-france-s-je
ws-should-leave-if-le-pen-wins-elections
/

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 7:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You see here GEEBERS

SignyM SPECIFICALLY mentioned dropping sanctions against Russia as a policy distinction in the upcoming French vote.

To which you SPECIFICALLY replied "What loyal French man or women thinks that??".

To which I SPECIFICALLY pointed out that 3 of 4 lead candidates were for dropping the sanctions. And I later pointed out that those candidates represented almost 2/3 of French voters, and that it would be ludicrous to assume all of those people and all of those candidates were somehow 'disloyal'.

Are you being ludicrous and calling the overwhelming majority of the French 'disloyal'?

I ALSO pointed out that you seem to be completely clueless regarding to what, or to whom, the French are supposed to be 'loyal'.

Because you're calling them 'disloyal' for wanting to drop the sanctions, you seem to assume the French need to be loyal to the US deep state anti-Putin/ anti-Russia program. Rather than, say, loyal to France and French national interests.

But you're not so crazy, stupid and partisan to actually think the French owe loyalty to the US deep state. Are you?

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

Quote:

Originally posted by G:
*snort* What the...?? Did you really mean to type that? What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing.
==============================

Quote:

Well GEEBERS

I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39375969
France's Marine Le Pen urges end to Russia sanctions

http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161124/NEWS/161129707
1 big difference between French primary candidates: Russia
Francois Fillon, who polls suggest is the front-runner, wants to end sanctions against Russia ...

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21711030-fran-ois-fillons-win-bod
es-ill-eu-sanctions-frances-election-shows-europes-line-against

France’s election shows Europe’s line against Russia is fraying

ETA
https://en.news-front.info/2017/02/20/french-far-left-candidate-melenc
hon-presents-e270-billion-spending-plan/

Now, in a completely unsurprising show of stupidity (better to assume that rather than call you a sadistic troll) you invent a completely unrelated 'point' as an excuse to troll, yet again.
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?



And I'm going to point out that, as usual, you troll the hardest and most often when you have zero facts on your side. I see trolling as a desperation move you make when you've got nothing.




Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think GSTRING is just trolling to cover up the fact that he thought he could decide what the French should be loyal to. Of course, they should be loyal to HIS agenda!

And that's kind of the problem with a lot of people ... they think that somehow they get to decide what entire (other) nations should want, think, and do.

Arrogant much?

If we just approached others with a healthy SELF interest, instead of deciding what THEIR interests should be ... yanno, figure out what WE need and what WE want and then negotiate our best deal ... maybe we wouldn't wind up destroying so many nations in order to "save" them. And then causing so much blowback which only winds up hurting us.

I find it incomprehensible that people are so focused on what other countries are doing, and yet not be able to describe what WE should be doing. And what "we" really defines.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60986&p=2

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Our self interests are whatever the goobernment tells us they are.

Get bin Laden DEAD OR ALIVE?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Invade Afghanistan?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

FORGET bin Laden DEAD OR ALIVE?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Get WMDs?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

FORGET WMDs?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Get Hussein?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Spread democracy to Iraq?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

FORGET spreading democracy to Iraq?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Get Gaddafi and free Libya?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

FORGET Libya?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

... and so on.




What sheepherders do when they're bored. And it's not making pretty pictures with LEDs. It's making the sheep mindlessly run around. Because they can.




Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BORED SHEEPHERDERS



You see those puffy white things with lights on their backs, being made to run mindlessly?

That's us!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 24, 2017 9:53 AM

6STRINGJOKER


you are delusional.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 9:56 AM

RIVERLOVE


If Le Pen brings back the guillotine for capital crimes I might actually take that trip to Paris that my wife's bugged me about for years.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 11:23 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

you are denaive.




That's not a word.

Quote:

You are just the kind of person Putin has been feasting on.


What? The type that owes no debts to anyone and doesn't buy into they hysteria of the week?

Quote:

He finally figured out that guns and bullets are limited, that's old war. Money - the kind of money someone who owns, say a country, is far more effective in gaining you access and influence in how other countries are run. Use your noggin' one time - we're talking about lifting Russian sanctions as part of the French election conversation. WTF? That doesn't just leap off the page at you? Really?
I guess I'm not too surprised.



No. It doesn't. Because I'm not buyin' the Russian conspiracy and there still hasn't been any actual, yanno, evidence of well... anything.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 11:50 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/23/europe/french-presidential-election-resu
lts
/

Le Pen faces Macron in final round of French presidential election

With 97% of polling stations declared, newcomer Macron was leading the field with 23.9%. National Front leader Le Pen was close behind on 21.4%.




Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 12:23 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Holy shit - you just described yourself perfectly!!!!! "Arrogant much?" F8ck, that's all you have most times. In reality, you do want to tell France what to do and then lie about it here, "I just want the French to do what I want them to... oops, er, I mean, *be free* to decide for themselves... as long as they agree with me and that mean help Russia!" Of course Sanctions are on the list - le Pen is in Putin's le Pocket. How much money and other promises did he make her? She'd be stupid to resist after he made Trump president, wouldn't she?
Yep, I agree with SIX, you're delusional.

So it wouldn't be the EU's failed economic response to 2008, the Troika's high-handed way of dealing with debtor nations, the massive unemployment and under-employment, and the migrant crisis and terror attacks driving anti-establishmentarianism, it would be Putin, right?

Let's see you bring any sort of evidence that Putin did anything that you claim he did. Because if Putin actually managed to do all of the things that you're so afraid of, that would make Russia able to break our electoral security, bamboozle all 17 of our intelligence agencies, create a significant "fifth column" in the USA, UK, France and (for all I know) Sweden, Germany, Hungary, and the Netherlands from a relatively small expenditure, DESPITE our massive intelligence intervention.

The two major political parties are out. That would be like the Dems and the Repubs not making the ballot in November.

At least there will be a clear distinction for the next vote. Macron and Le Pen are on opposite sides of most major issues, so the French people will have a real choice. And Le Pen is no Trump- she has a solid political history. Unlike Macron, who is a complete (wealthy banker) newcomer to politics.

So let's see what the French people decide. It will be interesting. Whatever it is that they decide, I will NOT be calling them "disloyal". Stupid maybe, but not "disloyal". Jeez, what a douche.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 24, 2017 12:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

No, the kind who voted for Trump because (amongst many idiotic things) they actually believed Hillary was a pedophile working out of a pizza shop.
More delusion.

Quote:

If you spent any time with your eyes open you would see the connections between Trump Hillary and Putin are/were numerous - there are no denials.
Fixed it for you.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 24, 2017 12:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by GEBERS:
First you quote the bbc and now cnn - is that you kiki? Now you're even being dishonest with yourself.

The numbers you quoted (for why?) were for the election that just passed. Between just the 2 the "polling" separation is considerably larger. BUT as we have seen, polling isn't to be trusted, nor are outside influences.

What ARE you rambling on about? You're completely incoherent.

Well, I suppose that could be the last stage of trolling.




Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 10:10 PM

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Technically someone with 12.6% of the National Vote can become a winner in round 2 and lead the country


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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:13 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
...contrary to your agenda...



I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:22 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Now they've become the "Huh? What?" gang, hiding behind the Cloak of Stoopidity.



No. You're the paranoid idiot that just accused me of having an agenda.

Yup. It's true. Putin got to me too.


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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:35 AM

6STRINGJOKER


lol... yup.


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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

No, the kind who voted for Trump because (amongst many idiotic things) they actually believed Hillary was a pedophile working out of a pizza shop. - GSTRING

More delusion. - SIGNY

Ha! So you just called Jack delusional.- GSTRING

I should have been more pointed: More delusion- on your part

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You also said you agreed with him - even better when it comes from you. Like Dream calling you a troll. The gang that can't keep their lies straight.-


a) Cites and links? Where did I say I globally agreed with SIX? I agree with him on many things, and quite often he says things in a way that sound better than they way I post. But I don't agree with SIX on EVERYthing. So put up or be called a LIAR. Again.

b) UNLIKE YOU we don't form a "gang", because we're more independent-thinking than that. But that certainly shows the way YOUR mind rolls. You would NEVER disagree with THUGR no matter how ridiculous he was, because TO YOU it's important to be part of a "gang". I always knew your were a sheeple and now you've alluded to it as an operating principle (for you).

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If you spent any time with your eyes open you would see the connections between Trump Hillary and Putin are/were numerous - there are no denials. Fixed it for you.- SIGNY

You mean the connection where he hated her and she was going to start WWIII (according to you)? Again, you can't keep posters here and what they say straight any better than you can keep what you say straight - sad and delusional.- GSTRING

No, the nuclear fuel connection. Facts don't stick with you, do they?

Quote:

What? So you don't like being grouped in with people, labeled ? How many times have you done that to me? Called me an SJW, or whatever other BOX you want to put people in because your brain is too lazy to distinguish differences, or give just give a sh*t to understand beyond what vids tell you to think? Have some. - GSTRING
This is like the pot calling the kettle black. You manage to do this in every post. If you think it's so awful why don't you stop doing it yourself?

Oh, I know why: It's because you're a massive hypocrite

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Ha! So you just called Jack delusional. You also said you agreed with him - GSTRING
No, I did not "just call Jack delusional", I called YOU delusional. And if you had any sense of intellectual honesty ... which apparently you don't... you wouldn't lie like that. And if you had any brains, you wouldn't double down on a lie, especially one that's so transparent and so obvious.

Yanno GSTRING, I can't imagine who you think buys your lies here. Maybe it's people here who think "winning" is more important than being honest? Or logical? Or intelligent? Or even nice? It seems that you're betraying your own self-identified positive traits. You've given them up, here. But for what?

But at least GOOD FOR YOU! You know, now, who you really are. That's always a good thing!

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:16 AM

6STRINGJOKER


I'm nobody's pet fuckface.

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I'm nobody's pet fuckface. - SIX

Then stop acting like one, facefuck.- GSTRING


LOL. YOU just can't stop lying, can you?

Well, I think we've beat the insults to death. GSTRING is a liar and we all know that.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:05 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm nobody's pet fuckface.



Then stop acting like one, facefuck.



Excellent retort G.

I want you to think about that for a moment.......

You do realize that makes me the giver and you the taker in this relationship, don't you?


I'm cool with it if you are.

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:56 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Fake news stories starting to pop up about Le Pen now that the Big Banks are freaking out that she might win....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39733452

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Le Pen's National Front 'took 5m euros from EU'


Good. There won't be any reason to believe she's in bed with the EU because of that money after she initiates the proceedings for France to reinstate the Franc and leave the EU.

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/27/le-pen-promotes-holocaust-denier-p
lans-ban-kosher-butchers-yarmulkes
/

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Le Pen Promotes Holocaust Denier and Plans to Ban Kosher Butchers and Yarmulkes

... the revelation that the former associate of her father she put in charge of the party, Jean-François Jalkh, told a scholar in 2000 that he did not accept evidence that the Nazis used the pesticide Zyklon B to murder Jews in the death camps.

Jalkh’s comments were published 12 years ago in an academic journal, but not widely known about until a reporter for the Catholic daily La Croix, Laurent de Boissieu, came across them on Tuesday.



I'd just like to point out here that nowhere in the article is there proof that Jalkh is a holocaust denier. The only "proof" of anything offered is that he did not believe that a specific pesticide was used to murder Jews in death camps.

I'm not saying that he isn't, in fact, a holocaust denier. I am saying that if they are going to say that about him they should need to show evidence that supports those allegations.

Jalkh himself has denied that this conversation ever took place, but Magali Boumaza claims that she still has a recording of the 3 hour interview she did for a dissertation years ago.

Make the tapes public, I say.

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:06 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Don't lie girlfriend. You know you're going to be the first one to download our sex tape. ;)

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Saturday, May 6, 2017 1:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Meanwhile ... as GSTRING pounds hysterically on the voodoo-doll that he has made of Le Pen, fearfully trying to assure himself that it's really dead ...

Election Sunday. Everyone agrees that Macron will win, the only question is by how much. In a strange replay of the USA election, Macron's internal emails were hacked - and leaked - this time without Wikileaks. The mainstream French media has decided to embargo publication of any of the contents, and the French government has warned that publishing the contents could lead to criminal charges. Macron is busy playing the "Russia" card, but (as far as I can tell) without any evidence whatsoever that "Russians" (or "Ukrainians") were involved.

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French candidate Macron claims massive hack as emails leaked
By Eric Auchard and Bate Felix | FRANKFURT/PARIS

Leading French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron's campaign said on Friday it had been the target of a "massive" computer hack that dumped its campaign emails online 1-1/2 days before voters choose between the centrist and his far-right rival, Marine Le Pen.

Macron, who is seen as the frontrunner in an election billed as the most important in France in decades, extended his lead over Le Pen in polls on Friday.

As much as 9 gigabytes of data were posted on a profile called EMLEAKS to Pastebin, a site that allows anonymous document sharing. It was not immediately clear who was responsible for posting the data

But that doesn't prevent accusations

Quote:

or if any of it was genuine.
The Macron campaign has hinted that there are "made up" emails commingled with real emails. That is a good defensive position to take, allowing the victim to discredit any emails which appear damaging.

Quote:

In a statement, Macron's political movement En Marche! (Onwards!) confirmed that it had been hacked.

"The En Marche! Movement has been the victim of a massive and co-ordinated hack this evening which has given rise to the diffusion on social media of various internal information," the statement said.

An interior ministry official declined to comment, citing French rules that forbid any commentary liable to influence an election, which took effect at midnight on Friday (2200 GMT). The presidential election commission said in statement that it would hold a meeting later on Saturday after Macron's campaign informed it about the hack and publishing of the data. It urged the media to be cautious about publishing details of the emails given that campaigning had ended, and publication could lead to criminal charges.

Comments about the email dump began to appear on Friday evening just hours before the official ban on campaigning began. The ban is due to stay in place until the last polling stations close Sunday at 8 p.m. (1800 GMT).

That's a great idea! WE should have a ban on last-minute campaigning. That prevents people being stampeded and making thoughtless choices.

Quote:

Opinion polls show independent centrist Macron is set to beat National Front candidate Le Pen in Sunday's second round of voting, in what is seen to be France's most important election in decades. The latest surveys show him winning with about 62 percent of the vote.

Former economy minister Macron's campaign has previously complained about attempts to hack its emails, blaming Russian interests in part for the cyber attacks.

Of course.

Quote:

On April 26, the team said it had been the target of a attempts to steal email credentials dating back to January, but that the perpetrators had failed to compromise any campaign data.

The Kremlin has denied it was behind any such attacks, even though Macron's camp renewed complaints against Russian media and a hackers' group operating in Ukraine.

Ummm... in Ukraine?

Quote:

Vitali Kremez, director of research with New York-based cyber intelligence firm Flashpoint, told Reuters his review indicates that APT 28, a group tied to the GRU, the Russian military intelligence directorate, was behind the leak. He cited similarities with U.S. election hacks that have been previously attributed to that group.

APT28 last month registered decoy internet addresses to mimic the name of En Marche, which it likely used send tainted emails to hack into the campaign’s computers, Kremez said. Those domains include onedrive-en-marche.fr and mail-en-marche.fr.

"If indeed driven by Moscow, this leak appears to be a significant escalation over the previous Russian operations aimed at the U.S. presidential election, expanding the approach and scope of effort from simple espionage efforts towards more direct attempts to sway the outcome," Kremez said.

France is the latest nation to see a major election overshadowed by accusations of manipulation through cyber hacking.

U.S. intelligence agencies said in January that Russian President Vladimir Putin had ordered hacking of parties tied to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to influence the election on behalf of Republican rival Donald Trump.

Using previous bullshit to support more bullshit? So far, the investigation into Russian interference in the American election has not yielded any solid evidence, and all of those rumors about the so-called "dossier" on Trump and his campaign's "collusion" with Russians seem to have evaporated.

Quote:

On Friday night as the #Macronleaks hashtag buzzed around social media, Florian Philippot, deputy leader of the National Front, tweeted "Will Macronleaks teach us something that investigative journalism has deliberately killed?"

Macron spokesman Sylvain Fort, in a response on Twitter, called Philippot's tweet "vile".

En Marche! said the documents only showed the normal functioning of a presidential campaign, but that authentic documents had been mixed on social media with fake ones to sow "doubt and misinformation".

Sure

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Ben Nimmo, a UK-based security researcher with the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council think tank, said initial analysis indicated that a group of U.S. far-right online activists were behind early efforts to spread the documents via social media. They were later picked up and promoted by core social media supporters of Le Pen in France, Nimmo said. The leaks emerged on 4chan, a discussion forum popular with far right activists in the United States. An anonymous poster provided links to the documents on Pastebin, saying, "This was passed on to me today so now I am giving it to you, the people."
MORE AT http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-macron-leaks-idUSKBN
1812AZ


BOTTOM LIME: Despite all the fluff and kerfuffle, Macron will win.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


As expected:

Quote:

Emmanuel Macron Elected President Of France With 65% Of The Vote: Live Feed


People voted for Macron and Le Pen looking for "something different". Macron, however, isn't "different", he's just a new face on an old policy. And of course, he will not solve France's problems by promoting "more of the same" that got them into their mess in the first place.

The low turnout is an indication of just how fed up people are. By the next election, people will be boiling.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:23 PM

THGRRI


Putin hacked him in an attempt to fuck him days before the election. Just how pissed off France will become over this has yet to be seen. Once again, Putin has pissed off another country making it easier to get and keep sanctions against Russia. Thanks Putin




Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As expected
Quote:

Emmanuel Macron Elected President Of France With 65% Of The Vote: Live Feed


People voted for Macron and Le Pen looking for "something different". Macron, however, isn't "different", he's just a new face on an old policy. And of course, he will not solve France's problems by promoting "more of the same" that got them into their mess in the first place.

The low turnout is an indication of just how fed up people are. By the next election, people will be boiling.








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Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I wonder when people will get tired of your fact-free deep state propaganda? And your CONSTANT jonesing for war!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:30 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I wonder when people will get tired of your fact-free deep state propaganda? And your CONSTANT jonesing for war!




We don't need to go to war with Russian to put them in their place. Only you think they can go point for point with America, and it would take a war to crush Putin. It won't... They established a no fly zone in Syria. America told Russia to eat shit. We fly were we want.




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Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I wonder when people will get tired of your fact-free deep state propaganda? And your CONSTANT jonesing for war! -

We don't need to go to war with Russian to put them in their place. Only you think they can go point for point with America, and it would take a war to crush Putin. It won't... They established a no fly zone in Syria. America told Russia to eat shit. We fly BOMB were [sic] we want.- THUGR

The embodiment of everything wrong with American foreign policy: the desire to be an asshole everywhere in the world. That's you! And I must say, you're doing a damn fine job right here too.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The low turnout is an indication of just how fed up people are. By the next election, people will be boiling.

IDK. The Greeks were up in arms about austerity. They elected Syriza (wiki: Syriza - The Coalition of the Radical Left) with Tsipras as its head in 2015.

Then Tsipras betrayed them by meekly bowing to EU demands rather than start the Grexit process, as promised. But, after a brief protest time out of office, Tsipras was returned later in 2015 and has been in power ever since.

And where has that gotten Greece?
Quote:

Forbes:
Feb 21, 2017 @ 05:55 AM
Congratulations To Greece - Venezuela Is Now Reporting On Greek Poverty And Economic Depression

There is no doubt, of course, that Greece has been hard done-by over its debt and the economy ransacked as a result ... But regardless of who is to blame for the collapse in living standards, poverty figures from the EU statistics agency are startling.

Greece isn't the poorest member of the EU; poverty rates are higher in Bulgaria and Romania. But Greece isn't far behind in third place, with Eurostat data showing 22.2 percent of the population were "severely materially deprived" in 2015.

And whereas the figures have dropped sharply in the post-communist Balkan states - by almost a third in Romania's case - the Greek rate has almost doubled since 2008, the year the global crisis erupted. Overall, the EU level fell from 8.5 percent to 8.1 percent over the period.

And in 2016 the EU demanded even MORE austerity to make EU creditors whole - a plan even the IMF questioned as too drastic to allow Greece a reasonable economy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/13/greece-eu-imf-war-of-wor
ds-debt-relief-plan-tsipras-austerity


NOW, in 2017 as of 3 days ago "GREECE DEBT DEAL IS OFF! Germany halts bail out demanding MORE austerity and pension cuts" http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/800143/Greek-Debt-Bailout-German
y-Angela-Merkel-austerity-IMF-EU-ECB-Athens




Things are getting worse and worse for the Greek people.

And where are the Greeks as a result? Rioting in the streets to remove Syriza? Demanding Tsipras leave? Talking about Grexit?

Hardly.

As has been demonstrated over and over - you CAN economically subjugate an entire country. And the people will meekly bow their heads in acquiescence. After all, look at the US.



Hopefully the French are made of better stuff. But only time will tell.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Macron wins - France wins, the better world wins. Thank you France.

==============================



Good news

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Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:33 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Macron wins - France wins, the better world wins. Thank you France.

==============================



lol.... we'll see

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Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Good news

Staying in the EU REALLY didn't work out for the Greeks. I hope your intentions for the French are good, despite available evidence.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, May 7, 2017 6:25 PM

THGRRI


I see once again, you can't help but lie by confusing things when you quote someone. How sad...



Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

I wonder when people will get tired of your fact-free deep state propaganda? And your CONSTANT jonesing for war! -

We don't need to go to war with Russian to put them in their place. Only you think they can go point for point with America, and it would take a war to crush Putin. It won't... They established a no fly zone in Syria. America told Russia to eat shit. We fly BOMB were [sic] we want.- THUGR

The embodiment of everything wrong with American foreign policy: the desire to be an asshole everywhere in the world. That's you! And I must say, you're doing a damn fine job right here too.









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Sunday, May 7, 2017 6:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Actually Magons - I have a question for you. And it's a genuine question, despite that it's confrontational.

It's obvious that you pride yourself on being a 'nice', 'concerned' and 'reasonable' person.

My question is - how do you maintain that self-image in the face of all the evidence that 'your side' has killed hundreds of thousands of people* and caused untold economic misery* for millions more?

*in wars of choice
*via the EM, IMF, World Bank, EU, and trade agreements






Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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