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Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:29 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Not sure if you are intentionally avoiding the question Yes I am. It's irrelevant. Quote:You seem to be decrying the effects of inflation, but your solution is to ramp up inflation by Increasing Minimum Wage?I know what you're getting at. I am fair certain you do not.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Not sure if you are intentionally avoiding the question Yes I am. It's irrelevant. Quote:You seem to be decrying the effects of inflation, but your solution is to ramp up inflation by Increasing Minimum Wage?I know what you're getting at.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Not sure if you are intentionally avoiding the question Yes I am. It's irrelevant. Quote:You seem to be decrying the effects of inflation, but your solution is to ramp up inflation by Increasing Minimum Wage?
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Not sure if you are intentionally avoiding the question
Quote:You seem to be decrying the effects of inflation, but your solution is to ramp up inflation by Increasing Minimum Wage?
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Odd how the GoPs never mention investor dividendz or executiv pay having an inflationary effect. Its az if an unlimited amount uv money can go to the rich without any penalty on sosiety at all. ---------------------------- DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early http://www.7532020.com
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 7:40 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Odd how the GoPs never mention investor dividendz or executiv pay having an inflationary effect. Its az if an unlimited amount uv money can go to the rich without any penalty on sosiety at all.
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 7:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I do, and I explained it. I'm well aware that union pay goes up with minimum wage increases. That's an altogether separate problem that needs to be addressed. Not a reason not to increase minimum wage. You haven't once addressed what I"m getting at. Which is you better build that moat around your house that I've been telling Second he needs to build around his.
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:33 AM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Odd how the GoPs never mention investor dividendz or executiv pay having an inflationary effect. Huge effect. Add to that all the bonuses and golden parachutes that they get even if they were complete failures. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Odd how the GoPs never mention investor dividendz or executiv pay having an inflationary effect.
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Not sure if you are intentionally avoiding the question Yes I am. It's irrelevant. Quote:You seem to be decrying the effects of inflation, but your solution is to ramp up inflation by Increasing Minimum Wage?I know what you're getting at. I am fair certain you do not.I do, and I explained it. I'm well aware that union pay goes up with minimum wage increases.
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: So the Minimum Wage worker who whined for the Increase of $300 per week is competing in the economic market place with those who the Increase garnered $900/wk (possibly for the same work) or $3,000/wk for the semi-skilled. Who do you REALLY think is the winner there? And who just chopped off their foot?
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Are you now admitting that you understand that Union Pay Schedules are tied to the Federal Minimum Wage?
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Are you now admitting that you understand that Union Pay Schedules are tied to the Federal Minimum Wage?Did I ever argue it? It's irrelevant Please show me where I said to raise the minimum wage to $15/hr. I've never once said that.
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:16 PM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: What is the Inflation-causing effect of Investor Dividends, or Executive Pay? What is the cause-and-effect relationship?
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 5:18 PM
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:17 AM
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:25 AM
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 7:16 PM
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Today’s budget deal is the proof: Republicans never cared about the deficit Republicans used to profess to be extremely worried about the budget deficit. Many of us suspected at the time that they were full of it. And one big thing we’ve learned this week is that they were, indeed, full of it. Back in 2012, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called the budget deficit “the nation’s most serious long-term problem.” That same year, House Speaker Paul Ryan called it a “serious threat” to the economy. They were full of it. Today’s budget deal — a big, multi-billion dollar increase in military spending “offset” by a nearly-as-large increase in non-military spending — gives up the game entirely. They don’t care, on any level, about the size of the federal budget deficit. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42981072 With Bushonomics completely discredited by 2009, the GOP was clearly in need of a brand refresh. What they came up with was the “Tea Party” and the insistence that the big lesson of the Bush years was that Republicans had moved away from conservative economic orthodoxy. That — at least in theory — is why Republicans opposed Obama’s stimulus bill in 2009. Then Trump won and the Tea Party rebrand became obsolete in 2016.
Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:40 AM
Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:00 PM
Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by second: Today’s budget deal is the proof: Republicans never cared about the deficit Republicans used to profess to be extremely worried about the budget deficit. Many of us suspected at the time that they were full of it. And one big thing we’ve learned this week is that they were, indeed, full of it. Back in 2012, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called the budget deficit “the nation’s most serious long-term problem.” That same year, House Speaker Paul Ryan called it a “serious threat” to the economy. They were full of it. Today’s budget deal — a big, multi-billion dollar increase in military spending “offset” by a nearly-as-large increase in non-military spending — gives up the game entirely. They don’t care, on any level, about the size of the federal budget deficit. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42981072 With Bushonomics completely discredited by 2009, the GOP was clearly in need of a brand refresh. What they came up with was the “Tea Party” and the insistence that the big lesson of the Bush years was that Republicans had moved away from conservative economic orthodoxy. That — at least in theory — is why Republicans opposed Obama’s stimulus bill in 2009. Then Trump won and the Tea Party rebrand became obsolete in 2016. So Obama Averaged $1.25 Trillion Deficit per year. The Trump Tax Reform reportedly over a 10 year span reduces Revenue by $150 Billion per year. The link you gave indicates almost $300 Billion more outlays over 2 years, or $150 Billion per year. So Trump's first FY adds $300 Billion for the year, compared to Obama's record of $1,250 Billion per year. Not horrific progress made by Trump in his first attempt. Obama's FY2017 claimed a $503 Billion Deficit with $3,644 Billion Revenues and $4,147 Billion Outlays. Obama saddled FY2018 with claimed $454 Billion deficit, $3,899 Revenues, and $4,352 Billion Outlays using static projections. If Trumponomics generates a 4% increase in Revenue the "Tax Reform Revenue Reduction" will be eliminated, wiped out, erased. If an 8% increase is realized, this new spending increase will also be balanced, wiped out. Much better hope for that than Obamanomics ever pretended.
Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I forgot to point out that Obama's pretend Revenue growth was $255 Billion in one year, despite his record of extended Recession and stagnant economic growth. A minor amount of actual, Real growth would, by comparison, generate real Revenue growth, erasing projected deficits.
Friday, February 9, 2018 6:57 AM
Friday, February 9, 2018 2:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I forgot to point out that Obama's pretend Revenue growth was $255 Billion in one year, despite his record of extended Recession and stagnant economic growth. A minor amount of actual, Real growth would, by comparison, generate real Revenue growth, erasing projected deficits.Then Trump is going in the wrong direction. He is doing worse than Obama. Last May, the Trump administration released a budget projecting the United States would swing from a deficit of $440 billion in 2018 to a surplus of $16 billion in 2027. The budget called for deep cuts to domestic programs and a robust increase in military spending. Instead, the opposite has happened. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
Quote: projects that the United States will run $2 trillion annual budget deficits by 2027 and have a debt-to-gross domestic product ratio of 105 percent — a level not seen since the end of World War II. “With this deal, we will experience trillion-dollar deficits permanently,” said Andy Roth, vice president of the conservative Club for Growth. “That sort of behavior, the last time I checked, is not in the Republican platform.” The seeds of this ballooning debt load are already taking root — the Treasury Department said last month that it expects to borrow $955 billion this fiscal year (not the $440 billion previously projected) and more than $1 trillion in both 2019 and 2020. That money appears set to get only more expensive to borrow, as the Federal Reserve looks to continue raising interest rates and investors demand higher returns from an increasingly debt-laden government. Indeed, the borrowing spree is contributing to recent volatility in financial markets, as investors fret that the additional fiscal stimulus, paired with a strengthening economy, could fuel inflation and translate into higher interest rates more quickly than anticipated. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-learn-to-love-deficit-spending-they-once-loathed/ar-BBITo1p
Friday, February 9, 2018 3:22 PM
THGRRI
Friday, February 9, 2018 3:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by second: The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget lol. "Non-partisan". Hallmark term for ultra-Libtards who wish to hide their bias and disguise their imbalance. Not even much of a hearty attempt.
Quote:Originally posted by second: The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:32 AM
Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:39 AM
Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Republicans wouldn’t spend to save US jobs until the crisis was over. Then it was too much, too late. In 2018, with unemployment at 4.1% and interest rates on the rise, the GOP has enacted tax breaks and spending increases to the tune of $3 trillion, far more than the $800 billion included in the stimulus bill Obama and the Democrats passed over objections of every Congressional Republican in 2009.
Quote: In 2011, with unemployment at 9% and borrowing costs falling, the GOP forced a fiscal showdown that ultimately put strict caps on US borrowing, limiting the government’s ability to invest and create jobs at a critical time. Not satisfied, representative Paul Ryan proposed $5 trillion in budget cuts the next year, criticizing then-president Barack Obama’s desire to invest in infrastructure and energy projects as “looming crisis” that would bring a “crushing burden of debt.” http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperity2013.pdf Americans had to suffer through years of unemployment and slow growth while Republicans delayed opening the fiscal spigot and borrowing more money. The GOP is now set to borrow trillions at ever higher interest rates. Do you see what is wrong with the GOP’s strategy? If you don’t, then read https://qz.com/1203958 for more details.
Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:21 PM
Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Forget the GOP’s obvious hypocrisy on spending — ever since the Bush era, it’s been clear that elected conservatives do not really care about deficits, except insofar as they make a handy club for whacking Democrats. Instead, worry about the lessons Republicans might draw from this experience.
Quote:During Obama’s presidency, the GOP’s mania for spending cuts — and its ability to wring budget concessions out of the president — was an anchor on the economy
Quote: at a critical moment when millions were suffering from the aftermath of a financial catastrophe. Yet, the party suffered precisely zero political consequences. Instead, they’re in power in part because of the slow, post-crises economy at the end stages of a recovery that could help them hold onto Congress in 2018. Moreover, it's clear that nobody actually expects them to make good on their rhetoric about fiscal prudence. They’ve abandoned it pretty much without punishment. Pushing austerity during a downturn and priming the pump when the economy is near full health might turn out to be an incredibly canny political strategy, even if it may have been unplanned. If there ever comes another time when sabotaging the economy might work to Republicans’ advantage, they have every incentive to do it again.
Monday, February 12, 2018 6:22 AM
Monday, February 12, 2018 7:03 AM
Monday, February 12, 2018 11:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: America lost a war to Russia in 2016. Trump’s fantasy of a military parade and Trump’s choice to release or block congressional memos about the Russia probe were the two big stories of last week. At first glance, they have nothing to do with one another. In fact, they are part of the same story: a grand cover-up of American defeat. In the past, the United States has organized grand military parades: but always after a victory in war, and always as a way of welcoming soldiers back to civilian life. So it was after the Civil War, the First World War and the Second World War. Such parades marked a moment and made perfect sense. The problem today is that the United States has not just won a war, but lost one. Carl von Clausewitz, the great student of war, defined its aim as altering the will of the enemy. America lost a cyberwar to Russia in 2016. Defeat is hard to face; but every delay in facing the hard facts makes matters worse. This is no time for parades. A country that treats defeat as a victory invites calamity. The only serious American response to Russia’s violation of its sovereignty, the Mueller investigation, is now also a target of Russian cyberwar. As reporting by Politico has shown, the very strange decision to release a highly partisan (and very partial) hit memo against Mueller was in large part a consequence of a cyber campaign in which Russian bots played a major part. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/04/trump-twitter-russians-release-the-memo-216935 No array of tanks, whether at their bases or on parade in Washington, can protect us against cyberwar. Serious national defense would involve a serious defense against actual threats to sovereignty, rather than costly gestures meant to change the subject. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/12/america-cyberwar-russia-2016-memo-truth
Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:20 AM
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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:10 AM
Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: I just moved the video second. Sorry, but good post nonetheless.
Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:29 AM
Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:27 PM
Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Its like worrying about a hole on the side uv a bucket wen the bottom iz completely gon.
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 7:09 AM
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:34 AM
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:30 AM
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Duz it even matter? Its not like she wuznt paid off or Trump didnt cheat on hiz wife just kuz the money didnt kum from hiz pocket.
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:04 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:16 PM
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:59 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Duz it even matter?
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:50 PM
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second:I think we will be at that point very soon with the Trump administration.
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 5:00 PM
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Duz it even matter? Its not like she wuznt paid off or Trump didnt cheat on hiz wife just kuz the money didnt kum from hiz pocket. It matters only because when a President lies about matters of common sense, his lower echelon officials will take note. They will lie, too, following the President's example. Then every news conference and written press release becomes more and more full shit and unbelievable.
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