A thread for Democrats Only by THGRRI

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I do not respond to you under the delusion that I can enlighten you. As your posts continually show, you're someone who resists enlightenment. I do it because you continue to post foolishness which allows myself and others, to show how ignorant those who believe as you do are.

You are a very silly person, T. I don't respect anybody who feels that they have all of the answers and it is their job to "enlighten" anybody else. This is the mode you operate under 24/7. You're just spreading the truth. You're just doing what is right. "You should HATE anyone who doesn't agree with my version of the truth..."

You sound like an evangelist. I want no part of your cult.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You insult me.
I tried for a bit to enlighten T, but it was hopeless, a lost cause.
Which makes his post even funnier.
When you cease to even attempt to enlighten your fellow human, you end hope.

JSF, I think you just contradicted yourself.

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 2:53 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I do not respond to you under the delusion that I can enlighten you. As your posts continually show, you're someone who resists enlightenment. I do it because you continue to post foolishness which allows myself and others, to show how ignorant those who believe as you do are.
You are a very silly person, T. I don't respect anybody who feels that they have all of the answers and it is their job to "enlighten" anybody else. This is the mode you operate under 24/7. You're just spreading the truth. You're just doing what is right. "You should HATE anyone who doesn't agree with my version of the truth..."

You sound like an evangelist. I want no part of your cult.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You insult me.
I tried for a bit to enlighten T, but it was hopeless, a lost cause.
Which makes his post even funnier.
When you cease to even attempt to enlighten your fellow human, you end hope.
JSF, I think you just contradicted yourself.

T

you still posting in this thread? Thought you disqualified yourself.
And clearly, thinking is what you are not doing.

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:20 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I do not respond to you under the delusion that I can enlighten you. As your posts continually show, you're someone who resists enlightenment. I do it because you continue to post foolishness which allows myself and others, to show how ignorant those who believe as you do are.
You are a very silly person, T. I don't respect anybody who feels that they have all of the answers and it is their job to "enlighten" anybody else. This is the mode you operate under 24/7. You're just spreading the truth. You're just doing what is right. "You should HATE anyone who doesn't agree with my version of the truth..."

You sound like an evangelist. I want no part of your cult.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You insult me.
I tried for a bit to enlighten T, but it was hopeless, a lost cause.
Which makes his post even funnier.
When you cease to even attempt to enlighten your fellow human, you end hope.
JSF, I think you just contradicted yourself.

T
you still posting in this thread? Thought you disqualified yourself.
And clearly, thinking is what you are not doing.

Clearly lying is what you're doing. I started this thread. I asked others of certain persuasions to join me. Reading comprehension is clearly not your thing. Nor is thinking logically. Why would I be excluded from posting in my thread. It is you and Jack that are not of a persuasion that I invited here. You must be to stupid to understood that so here you are. Oh well

T

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:41 AM

LOL... invite.

You said as much that you fully expected non-Democrats to post here first, and were surprised that they didn't. It was your intention from the beginning. You've also laughably kept up with the story that you're not a bleeding heart liberal too, which makes it even funnier.

Feel free to post whatever you want at any other site and I swear on a stack of bibles that I will not follow you there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:22 PM

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LOL... invite.

You said as much that you fully expected non-Democrats to post here first, and were surprised that they didn't. It was your intention from the beginning. You've also laughably kept up with the story that you're not a bleeding heart liberal too, which makes it even funnier.

Feel free to post whatever you want at any other site and I swear on a stack of bibles that I will not follow you there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

No dummy, again you expose your reading comprehension skills as being on a third grade level. That meant I expected trolls to start trolling the thread immediately. It started around the 8th post.

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:37 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

A thread for Democrats Only

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am an independent myself ...

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:55 PM

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A thread for Democrats Only
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am an independent myself ...

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
If you meet the requirements ( slightly to the right, middle and liberal ) and you have an interest in starting a discussion say so.

This is my thread. This is my first post. I am reposting it to show that trolls troll regardless of how obvious it is.

Then there are those trolls who have long signatures, that at times don't make any sense. Other times it is a cut and pasted post of someone else's words of wisdom. I believe this is done because of penis envy. Apparently they feel inadequate.

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 6:02 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
If you meet the requirements ( slightly to the right, middle and liberal )

but not independents.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am an independent myself ...

A thread for Democrats Only

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 8:54 PM

This just keeps getting better and better.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
This is my thread. This is my first post. I am reposting it to show that trolls troll regardless of how obvious it is.

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Then there are those trolls who have long signatures, that at times don't make any sense. Other times it is a cut and pasted post of someone else's words of wisdom. I believe this is done because of penis envy. Apparently they feel inadequate.

Says the guy who spent six months trying to convince everyone I was a misogynist.

It's okay though. I understand. Sigs and Kiki are on the unprotected women's list of "people you should hate".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 3, 2017 9:18 AM

Russia has just thrown the election to Trump': Leaked transition emails suggest that Flynn didn't act alone when he 'broke the law by speaking to Russia while Obama was still in power'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5140245/Emails-suggest-Flynn-d
idnt-rogue-Russia-call.html#ixzz50Cvz2uDu

Leaked emails show Flynn's right-hand woman, KT McFarland, discussing Obama's Russia sanctions hours after they were announced
McFarland said that the December 29 declaration was designed to get the incoming president to make rash tweet
'If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown USA election to him,' she wrote.
The White House lawyer dealing with the Russia probe said she was talking about how the election was portrayed by the Dems
The email was also sent to Flynn, Reince Priebus, Sean Spicer and Steve Bannon; that day Flynn called Russian ambassador
White House said Flynn had a mandate to call ambassador despite 1799 law, and Flynn's lies to FBI were only illegal act
Trump tweeted on Saturday that he knew Flynn lied and that was why he fired him - leading to claims he committed felony
Flynn admitted lying to FBI investigators on Fr

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5140245/Emails-suggest-Flynn-d
idnt-rogue-Russia-call.html

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Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:17 PM

JO753

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Trump shoud say "thats why I hired him".

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Sunday, December 3, 2017 4:47 PM

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Trump shoud say "thats why I hired him".

Have you noticed the change in direction Trumps supporters are taking. Going back to the elections it's been stated by Trump and all his staff, that they have had no contact with the russians. Now it's we did, many contacts, but we didn't break the law.

Tick tock

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Sunday, December 3, 2017 11:22 PM

lol... tick tock

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 4, 2017 3:45 PM

JO753

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"Didnt break the law", "its not illegal", "no collusion", "never happened", "absolutely no evidens".

Then why the liez?

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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:44 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I do not respond to you under the delusion that I can enlighten you. As your posts continually show, you're someone who resists enlightenment. I do it because you continue to post foolishness which allows myself and others, to show how ignorant those who believe as you do are.
You are a very silly person, T. I don't respect anybody who feels that they have all of the answers and it is their job to "enlighten" anybody else. This is the mode you operate under 24/7. You're just spreading the truth. You're just doing what is right. "You should HATE anyone who doesn't agree with my version of the truth..."

You sound like an evangelist. I want no part of your cult.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You insult me.
I tried for a bit to enlighten T, but it was hopeless, a lost cause.
Which makes his post even funnier.
When you cease to even attempt to enlighten your fellow human, you end hope.
JSF, I think you just contradicted yourself.

T
you still posting in this thread? Thought you disqualified yourself.
And clearly, thinking is what you are not doing.

Clearly lying is what you're doing. I started this thread. I asked others of certain persuasions to join me. Reading comprehension is clearly not your thing. Nor is thinking logically. Why would I be excluded from posting in my thread. It is you and Jack that are not of a persuasion that I invited here. You must be to stupid to understood that so here you are. Oh well

T

You claimed to be an Independent. I know I am an Independent. The difference is that I suspect you are lying.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I do not respond to you under the delusion that I can enlighten you. As your posts continually show, you're someone who resists enlightenment. I do it because you continue to post foolishness which allows myself and others, to show how ignorant those who believe as you do are.
You are a very silly person, T. I don't respect anybody who feels that they have all of the answers and it is their job to "enlighten" anybody else. This is the mode you operate under 24/7. You're just spreading the truth. You're just doing what is right. "You should HATE anyone who doesn't agree with my version of the truth..."

You sound like an evangelist. I want no part of your cult.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You insult me.
I tried for a bit to enlighten T, but it was hopeless, a lost cause.
Which makes his post even funnier.
When you cease to even attempt to enlighten your fellow human, you end hope.
JSF, I think you just contradicted yourself.

T
you still posting in this thread? Thought you disqualified yourself.
And clearly, thinking is what you are not doing.

Clearly lying is what you're doing. I started this thread. I asked others of certain persuasions to join me. Reading comprehension is clearly not your thing. Nor is thinking logically. Why would I be excluded from posting in my thread. It is you and Jack that are not of a persuasion that I invited here. You must be to stupid to understood that so here you are. Oh well

T
You claimed to be an Independent. I know I am an Independent. The difference is that I suspect you are lying.

So what, what do I care what you think.

T

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:36 AM

OONJERAH

THGRRI is an independent. JSF is an independent.

By the very definition of the word, no two
independents need be alike or even similar. :)

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
THGRRI is an independent. JSF is an independent.

By the very definition of the word, no two
independents need be alike or even similar. :)

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

So which independent would be included in the subset "Democrats only" do you think?

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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THGRRI is an independent. JSF is an independent.
By the very definition of the word, no two independents need be alike or even similar. - OONJ

So which independent would be included in the subset "Democrats only" do you think?- JSF

Obviously, only the ones who agree with THUGR.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:55 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The Senate bill was so hastily drafted that it contains important provisions — most significantly around the corporate alternative minimum tax — that GOP leaders seem to genuinely want to scrap. So they really will have to write another bill and pass it again, and while the odds are very good that they'll succeed, those odds drop a lot if Democrat Doug Jones rather than Roy Moore replaces Alabama Senator Luther Strange.

With Strange holding the seat, there are 52 GOP senators (plus Vice President Mike Pence), so they can handle the defection of two senators and still pass a bill. If it's Jones instead, they can only handle one defection. And we already know that Bob Corker has decided he objects to the scale of the borrowing involved.

Operating with zero margin for error on such a large and complex bill is dangerous, because it means any single senator can credibly threaten to derail the whole thing unless he gets his pet provisions.

Republicans need Roy Moore to pass their tax bill. Starting today Moore is once again a good Republican.

Until today, Republicans could say that, officially at least, they have repudiated Roy Moore’s noxious behavior, which goes far beyond molesting teenage girls. Not anymore:

President Trump on Monday strongly endorsed Roy S. Moore, the Republican nominee for a United States Senate seat here, prompting the Republican National Committee to restore its support for a candidate accused of sexual misconduct against teenage girls.

Mr. Trump’s endorsement and the party’s reversal hours later came a day after Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, had stepped back from his earlier criticism of Mr. Moore.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/republicans-decide-roy-moore-is
-a-good-republican-he-is/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:16 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The Senate Tax Bill's corporate alternative minimum tax, explained
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/7/16742046/senate-tax-bill-cor
porate-amt

This is a separate tax calculation under current law, used to make sure that businesses are forced to pay at least a base level of federal taxes and can’t totally avoid taxes by taking various deductions and credits. Few businesses pay it currently, because their regular rate is usually higher than the AMT rate, which works out to about 20 percent.

The Senate bill, like the House bill, originally repealed it entirely while slashing the regular corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent. But Senate Republicans, as they tinkered with their tax plan just hours before they put it up for a vote, stuck the corporate AMT back in at the last minute to make sure the bill didn’t raise the federal deficit too much.

At first it looked like a comparatively minimal provision, about $40 billion in revenue over 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation’s quick-hit analysis, in the context of a $1 trillion corporate tax cut.

But over the past few days, policy experts, lobbyists, and the business community have come to believe the stakes are much bigger. Senate Republicans may have accidentally created this new tax system where many or even most businesses would end up paying the AMT — and would lose many prized tax breaks.

The corporate AMT problem in the Senate tax bill

The problem is that the current AMT rate is about the same as the new corporate rate that Republicans want to institute. Under the Senate bill, businesses were supposed to be able to have the new 20 percent rate, but then also take advantage of tax credits and deductions to drive their tax burden even lower.

But if the AMT remains instead of being repealed, then businesses largely wouldn’t get their effective tax rate any lower than that. The AMT rate is usually substantially lower than the regular rate. But under the Senate bill, the AMT and the new corporate rate would be about the same: 20 percent. Companies would no longer be able to take advantage of tax breaks for research and development and the like. The whole point of the AMT is to eliminate deductions.

“Basically everyone would pay it,” one lobbyist tracking the tax bill told me, adding for emphasis that fixing it would be the No. 1 and No. 2 priority for Republicans now.

Based on some rough estimates, under the Senate tax bill the corporate AMT would bring in $300 billion or more over 10 years, substantially eating into the $1 trillion tax cut for businesses that Republicans thought they were passing.

The AMT issue doesn’t create any immediate political problems, perhaps, but it could drag out the debate for a House/Senate version of the tax bill. Republicans can’t really afford to lose any of the 51 senators who voted for the plan. If support in the Senate does waver, the AMT issue would probably make it impossible for Republicans to take a backup plan and have the House just pass the Senate bill.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:49 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
THGRRI is an independent. JSF is an independent.

By the very definition of the word, no two
independents need be alike or even similar. :)

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Again, words of wisdom. I would add my independence streak lies in the middle. I would suggest because of JSF's posts, he/she is way off to the right. Even based in ignorance and hate.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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THGRRI is an independent. JSF is an independent.
By the very definition of the word, no two independents need be alike or even similar. - OONJ

So which independent would be included in the subset "Democrats only" do you think?- JSF

Obviously, only the ones who agree with THUGR.

That's a start, yet I think JSF's far right and demented thinking disqualifies him/her.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 3:24 PM

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Friday, December 8, 2017 7:49 AM

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Friday, December 8, 2017 7:52 AM

I wonder whether Obama was drunk when he was on his 57 state tour?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 8, 2017 3:20 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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THGRRI is an independent. JSF is an independent.
By the very definition of the word, no two independents need be alike or even similar. - OONJ

So which independent would be included in the subset "Democrats only" do you think?- JSF

Obviously, only the ones who agree with THUGR.

That's a start, yet I think JSF's far right and demented thinking disqualifies him/her.

Do you recognize sarcasm when you read it? Or quote it?

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Friday, December 8, 2017 3:26 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wonder whether Obama was drunk when he was on his 57 state tour?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Those montages of Obama stutters, sputters, speech gaffes are hilarious. Trump cannot rank up with the Ebonics-in-Chief gaffemaster.

Some people don't seem to realize that Trump on his worst day is not in the same league or depths as Obama on his Mo Betta Bestest Day. Even Trump on a day of being dead is fresh air compared to Bobo.

Do all Ebonics speakers not know how to pronounce corpse man? Or is that merely demonstration of Obamination's illiteracy?

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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THGRRI is an independent. JSF is an independent.
By the very definition of the word, no two independents need be alike or even similar. - OONJ

So which independent would be included in the subset "Democrats only" do you think?- JSF

Obviously, only the ones who agree with THUGR.

That's a start, yet I think JSF's far right and demented thinking disqualifies him/her.
Do you recognize sarcasm when you read it? Or quote it?

Do you?

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 6:58 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wonder whether Obama was drunk when he was on his 57 state tour?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Those montages of Obama stutters, sputters, speech gaffes are hilarious. Trump cannot rank up with the Ebonics-in-Chief gaffemaster.

Some people don't seem to realize that Trump on his worst day is not in the same league or depths as Obama on his Mo Betta Bestest Day. Even Trump on a day of being dead is fresh air compared to Bobo.

Do all Ebonics speakers not know how to pronounce corpse man? Or is that merely demonstration of Obamination's illiteracy?

Wow, the two of you are petty and ignorant beyond belief. Obama is wicked smart compared to Trump. You two denying that is one for the record books.

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 8:58 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wonder whether Obama was drunk when he was on his 57 state tour?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Those montages of Obama stutters, sputters, speech gaffes are hilarious. Trump cannot rank up with the Ebonics-in-Chief gaffemaster.

Some people don't seem to realize that Trump on his worst day is not in the same league or depths as Obama on his Mo Betta Bestest Day. Even Trump on a day of being dead is fresh air compared to Bobo.

Do all Ebonics speakers not know how to pronounce corpse man? Or is that merely demonstration of Obamination's illiteracy?

Wow, the two of you are petty and ignorant beyond belief. Obama is wicked smart compared to Trump. You two denying that is one for the record books.

T

Just because he is the first admitted Drug Dealer Preezy of the Steezy does not make him smart. Get a grip.

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 9:21 PM

Yeah really...

By what metric is he smarter?

Likeability doesn't count as one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 11:18 PM

JO753

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Wun thing I no about idiots iz that they cant tell the differens between the levelz uv intellect.

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 11:25 PM

Wun thing I no about dem iz One is spelled One, and there is an O and F in OF.

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Thursday, December 14, 2017 12:34 PM

President Trump's job approval rating plunges to new record low of 32%

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-approval-rati
ng-dips-new-record-32-article-1.3696240

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Thursday, December 14, 2017 10:50 PM

OONJERAH

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
President Trump's job approval rating plunges to new record low of 32%

I really don't get it!

He was horrible before. Why did people just start to notice?

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Friday, December 15, 2017 12:38 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-approval-rating-jumps-to-45-p
ercent-highest-since-september/article/2642685

Trump's approval rating jumps to 45 percent, highest since September/ Dec 6, 2017, 8:03 AM

I think one needs to be careful about what one accepts as a fact. I've been looking at approval ratings now and again, and I didn't notice an unusual, sudden drop recently. So I went looking for an up to date graph of compiled poll ratings over time ... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ http://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donal
d-trump.aspx And I didn't find any significant, new, noteworthy drop in approval. It's not that he's doing well, but there doesn't seem to be anything catastrophic recently.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Friday, December 15, 2017 12:56 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16774216/trumpism-is-dead-t
rumpism-never-existed

“Making America Great Again” became a sort of Rorschach test in 2016. Some voters looked at “Trumpism” and saw a means of getting better health care, or better trade deals, or keeping their jobs. Some even looked at Trump and saw a pro-LGBTQ candidate in the same man evangelical Christians viewed as a hero in waiting. His opponents worried about the potential power of Trump’s populist appeal, too. David Frum wrote in the Atlantic earlier this year that a populist agenda — massive spending on infrastructure, combined with massive tax cuts and a heavily restrictionist immigration policy and economic protectionism — would ensure Trump a second term in office.

But Trump’s own “Trumpism” seemed to die a rapid death when Trump entered office. While doing markedly little abroad to earn his campaign reputation as a foreign policy “dove,” President Trump has supported a markedly unpopular health care policy and a tax bill aligned with long-standing GOP priorities while doing very little on trade. As Trump has jostled with journalists and black athletes on Twitter, the long-promised massive infrastructure investment has yet to take place, NAFTA remains intact, and China has yet to be named a currency manipulator. (And, of course, the wall remains unbuilt.)

The “Trumpism” of the 2016 presidential campaign was thus largely imaginary, a selling point rather than an overarching policy.

This is the reason why so many GOP members of Congress have voted with Trump in 2017: Not because they are supporting a Trumpian agenda, but because Trump has largely governed as a pretty standard conservative Republican. While conservative priorities — like deregulation and nominating conservative judges — have been more or less successfully brought to fruition, the last remaining fragment of “Trumpism” appears to be Donald Trump’s exceedingly pugnacious Twitter feed.

No wonder that Trump’s popularity with Independents, wanting “Trumpism” as an alternative to Paul Ryan-esque conservatism, has dropped precipitously. Trump had 42 percent job approval ratings from independents in January. That number has dropped to 32 percent, a number President George W. Bush didn’t reach until 2005.

“Trumpism” wasn’t an ideology. It was a means to an end, the promises one makes when trying to win an election . . .

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Friday, December 15, 2017 8:44 PM

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“Trumpism” wasn’t an ideology. It was a means to an end, the promises one makes when trying to win an election . . .

Yeah. At this point it sounds like nothing but "Hope and Change" to me too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 5:10 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Because we both benefit enormously, Trump and myself are 100% supportive of the GOP's tax bill, but GOP lawmakers know the midterm election landscape looks bad because of that bill and few other moves they tried to make.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16781952/republican-tax-bil
l-2018-the-weeds

At this point, nobody seems to deny that Republicans are facing a big political problem in 2018.

McKay Coppins has an Atlantic piece titled "The Republican Nightmare is Just Beginning." www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/alabama-and-2018/548327/

Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns have a New York Times piece titled "Alabama Loss Exposes Republican Fissures Amid a Democratic Surge." www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/us/alabama-senate-republican-divisions-demo
crats.html

And in Politico, Tim Alberta and Rachael Bade say Paul Ryan is looking to step down. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/14/paul-ryan-retire-speaker-re
ady-leave-washington-216103

If you know these journalists' track records, you'll know these aren't armchair analysts. What Coppins and Martin and Alberta and Burns and Bade are telling us is that Republicans on the Hill are aware that the midterm landscape looks bad for the GOP.

Yet amazingly, the very same Republicans who are worried that they have become unpopular and are set to lose the election due to their unpopularity are currently putting all their energy behind passing an unpopular tax bill.

And this unpopularity, it should be noted, is no kind of surprise. Back in September, Pew found that by a 52-24 margin, voters favored higher corporate taxes, not lower. And by a 43-24 margin, voters favored higher taxes on the rich, not lower.

I congratulate them on their willingness to follow their convictions rather than the polls.

But it would have been totally possible to write a bill that featured revenue-neutral corporate tax reform, an estate tax cut, and a meaningful tax cut for the middle class. Such a bill would have moved the ball forward on some key conservative objectives, while also hewing to the broad contours of public opinion. Some red-state Democrats might even have voted for it.

Instead, they served up a giant corporate tax cut, plus an estate tax cut, plus some other tax cuts for rich people, and a middle-class tax cut that is both small and merely temporary.

There is more about stuff the GOP is doing that it shouldn't if it wants to win in 2018 at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16781952/republican-tax-bil
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Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:02 AM

I'm actually looking forward to the Democrats winning some seats.

Not only have I always said the best times for Americans are when the Government is mixed like that and is so busy fighting each other that nothing gets done, but as a bonus maybe I can stop hearing people like you bitch about things constantly every single day.

Aren't you sitting on like a billion dollars or something, Second?

If you're not going to start doing some philanthropy for all of us lowly 99%ers that you virtue signal to everyday, you should at least take a nice vacation and relax a little bit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:15 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Aren't you sitting on like a billion dollars or something, Second?

If you're not going to start doing some philanthropy for all of us lowly 99%ers that you virtue signal to everyday, you should at least take a nice vacation and relax a little bit.

I was on TV yesterday as The Secret Santa giving away hundred dollar bills. There is no rest for Santa because I have two bags of cash for today, but that's not really the way to run a country. For Christmas ask the GOP for a minimum wage increase to $20/hour. That will be great for the GOP's election chances in 2018.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 1:43 PM

Lettuce sea if we can filter reality thru the lense of Libtardism and then convince the reality-bound to succumb to our Delusions and fabrications, shall oui?

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Originally posted by second:
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16781952/republican-tax-bil
l-2018-the-weeds

Ultra-Libtard outlet vox? Impressive entry to Fantasyland.
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McKay Coppins has an Atlantic piece titled "The Republican Nightmare is Just Beginning." www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/alabama-and-2018/548327/
Uber-Libtard Atlantic? More impressive supply of BS.
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www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/us/alabama-senate-republican-divisions-demo
crats.html

NYT, really? Now you're not even trying to hide your bias and delusions.
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www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/14/paul-ryan-retire-speaker-re
ady-leave-washington-216103

Politico? As if NYT wasn't a corrupted enough view.
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Back in September, Pew found ...

Pew? Does balance or non-bias exist in your world?

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Win in 2018 at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16781952/republican-tax-bil
l-2018-the-weeds

And more vox? Your supply of Libtard BS sources is depleted?

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 2:29 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Support for Trump is closely linked to racial resentment, defined as “a moral feeling that blacks violate such traditional American values as individualism and self-reliance.”

Trump made all sorts of racist comments — Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists, ban all Muslim entering the US, a judge should recuse himself from a case because he's Mexican, and deploying dog whistles about “law and order.”

This is not just incidental to Trump. It's at the core of his political success.

Voters’ measures of sexism and racism correlated much more closely with support for Trump than economic dissatisfaction. See page 16 of http://people.umass.edu/schaffne/schaffner_et_al_IDC_conference.pdf for the graph. Looking at the graphs, there were racists that didn't vote for Trump, but the more racist a voter was, the more likely they voted for Trump.

If people who strongly identified as white were told that nonwhite groups will outnumber white people in 2042, they became more likely to support Trump.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1368430216677304

When Trump supporters found out that blacks, not just whites, were allowed into housing assistance programs, they expressed higher levels of anger that some people receive government assistance and were more likely to say that individuals who receive assistance are to blame for their situation.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168017737411

The more racist a person is, the more likely they voted for Trump.

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:54 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Instead of casting aspersions on close to 50% of the population, maybe you should look to the 'democratic' party to clean house. Hillary ALSO had historic net negative ratings going into the election. The 'democratic' party ran a weak candidate. She was not Saint Hillary, despite your misplaced faith. That was something I pointed out to you repeatedly during the campaign. It's not like any of this was a deep secret. But you steadfastly ignored it completely.

Now at the time I assumed that despite her net negatives and the voluminous baggage she was dragging around, Hillary was going to win anyway. But that's not what happened. The 'democratic' party's blatantly poor choice cost the election.

And what vile things are you telling yourself about the democrats who stayed home and cost Hillary the election? Are you imputing evil motivations to them as well? Or are you giving them a pass because they're democrats?

You've allowed the 'democratic' party's tactical error to poison your thinking about large numbers of people.

Instead of braising in your own obsessive bile, you could acknowledge what went wrong, learn from it, and move on.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home
-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

Registered Voters Who Stayed Home Probably Cost Clinton The Election

Registered voters who didn’t vote on Election Day in November were more Democratic-leaning than the registered voters who turned out, according to a post-election poll from SurveyMonkey, shared with FiveThirtyEight. In fact, Donald Trump probably would have lost to Hillary Clinton had Republican- and Democratic-leaning registered voters cast ballots at equal rates.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 7:45 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Instead of casting aspersions on close to 50% of the population, maybe you should look to the 'democratic' party to clean house. Hillary ALSO had historic net negative ratings going into the election. The 'democratic' party ran a weak candidate. She was not Saint Hillary, despite your misplaced faith. That was something I pointed out to you repeatedly during the campaign. It's not like any of this was a deep secret. But you steadfastly ignored it completely.

And 50% of the population is less than average, so what is your point, 1kiki?

Republicans swear it never happened: “We have lost the South for a generation,” President Lyndon B. Johnson, from Texas, told an aide after he signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Funny how a prediction that was supposedly never spoken still happened in Texas despite GOP denials.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You've allowed the 'democratic' party's tactical error to poison your thinking about large numbers of people.

I discovered that Texans were racist from direct experience of Texans being racist. 1kiki, you do realize that racists can peacefully work with other races but still hate their guts and let out that hate in the privacy of the voting booth?

For decades the Republicans have completely controlled Texas and it has no connection to 21st Century national politics or the Clintons. The takeover is because white Texans are the majority and overwhelmingly racist. All you have to do to know this about Texas, if you are me, is listen to Republicans talk in private. All their talk is "Obama is a nigger from Kenya" and "Hillary is a bitch".

1kiki, just keep telling yourself that the GOP took over Texas because Democrats are awful. The truth is the GOP took Texas because white Texans are who they are. There is really no way for the Democratic Party to fix that, other than to stomp blacks into the ground (think Texas immediately after the end of Reconstruction).

Maybe Democrats could improve their position in Houston by expanding flood control. Republicans have refused for decades to pay to prevent flooding like during Hurricane Harvey. But then Democrats have to make the argument that 4.5 million people spending $61 billion for flood control is a good investment to prevent $180 billion in future damage. That argument won't work if the Texans only believe the $61 billion cost and won't believe that there will ever be another Harvey. Many people in Houston were not damaged and they believe their fair share of the cost to prevent future damage ought to be zero, which is a classic Republican position.

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:36 PM

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The truth is the GOP took Texas because white Texans are who they are. There is really no way for the Democratic Party to fix that, other than to stomp blacks into the ground (think Texas immediately after the end of Reconstruction).

The Democratic party doesn't need to fix the people. They need to fix themselves. Even T gets that.

If white people who aren't pretty well off thought for a second the Democratic party was at all speaking for them, they might get more of the white vote.

They don't, so they won't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SECOND

Here are the graphs you think are so damning.

A bit more than 1/3 of people who are the least sexist voted for Trump. A bit more than 1/3 of people who are the least racist voted for Trump. That's a big chunk of people who voted for Trump who are the opposite of racist or sexist. And one third of people who are the MOST racist or sexist didn't vote for Trump.

Meanwhile, the numbers about how Clinton lost are clear. Democrats who had previously voted for Obama, who are clearly not racist, stayed home. If they'd liked their candidate Hillary better, they might have voted. But they didn't. Hillary drove away voters who would otherwise have voted 'd'. That's how states that - let me point this out again, are CLEARLY unbiased enough to have voted for Obama - flipped and voted for Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-democrats-real-t
urnout-problem
In counties where Trump won at least 70 percent of the vote, the number of votes cast rose 2.9 percent versus 2012. Trump’s pugnacious message evidently stirred people who hadn’t voted in the past. By comparison, in counties where Clinton won at least 70 percent, the vote count was 1.7 percent lower this year.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/voter-turnout-2016-elections
the President-elect’s leap from long-shot candidate to the most powerful political position in the world may have happened in part because of apathy toward Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, especially among the Democratic base

That's the reality. Democrats stayed home.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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