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Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:50 PM

ALLRONIX


I went playing this game, and it made me think of Firefly several times over. Some of the character parallels are welcome reminders of a too-brief space western, especially now that I'm trying to write fanfic about the game.

Nine NPC characters, with the PC, it makes 10. My experience with Firefly came in handy when trying to write such a large cast.

One of the characters is an adolecent girl with a sunny smile and a penchant for tricks, computers, and gadets. Mission reminded me of Kaylee in that regard.

Another character is an elderly, outcast Jedi with a few shady parts to his past (Smuggling, for one). His looks and dry delivery reminds me WAY too much of Ron Glass's portrayal of Book.

A third character is a burnt-out war hero with serious trust issues. Still a rather nice bloke at times, yet you can still imagine him shoving a guy into the jet engines.

Oh, and the ship's mercenary - as big as Jayne, but with three times the brains.

Anyone else play this game and start singing the Ballad of Serenity?

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Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:37 AM

JOSSISAGOD


I never thought of it that way! Now every time I play KOTOR I'll be singin' the "Ballad Of Serenity." I thought all 9 characters in the game where playable? Anyway, thanks for pointing out the simalarities(SP). Bastila reminds me a bit of Zoe, in that she fought in a war and is now the main character's second in command(Darkside).

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Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:44 AM

ZEEK


I was never really impressed by this game. I guess the gameplay was just too slow. I was never drawn into the game until the big revelation about the main character. At least I finally finished it well after the second one had already been released. lol


One other thing I didn't like was how the fights just didn't seem like I was controlling a jedi. More like a bungling monster with a club. You're a jedi darn it! Hit the giant beast in front of you with your lightsaber! It shouldn't be that hard. Plus a jedi shouldn't have any trouble taking down regular soldiers or some beasts. Granted by the end I was just stunning everything and killing it, but without using this technique they would do quite a bit of damage to my so called jedi.

I'll stick to Jedi Academy where I can take out a room of thugs no problem and get into some nice battles with some dark jedi. Fun stuff.

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Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:45 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Bastilla? Nah. Too much confusion in her to be Zoe. Zoe seems to be comfortable with herself in a way Bastilla never was.

Though I can see some of the other similarities. But just.


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:45 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


That's two! Whoohoo! I've had two double posts in my time at FFF.net.

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Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:54 AM

JOSSISAGOD


I agree with you 95% although I do see where ALLRONIX is comming from. I LOVED, JEDI ACADEMY but I played it until I ran out of character options. I completly agree that the KOTOR made you stand back and watch while JA sunk you into the game. I GOT KOTOR months after the second was released, so I feel you on that part.

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Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:56 AM

DASMOOKID


On the subject of KOTOR and FF similarities, I was playing through Jade Empire last night (a very similar game from developer Bioware who also made KOTOR 1 but not 2) and noticed that Gao the Lesser is voiced by none other than Nathan Fillion. It is really too bad they didn't get him for KOTOR, I think he would have made a much less annoying and more likable Carth!

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Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:28 PM

RELFEXIVE


It's a very cool game. Shame it's let down by the slipshod sequel that doesn't end but just stops at the point the dev team were told to stop so the game could be released early.



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Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:18 PM

GIANTEVILHEAD


LucasArts ruined KOTOR 2. Not only did LucasArts release the game before it was finished but Obsidian originally wanted the game to be much darker, LucasArts didn't want that so they forced Obsidian to make the game more kids friendly. If Obsidian had finished the game, a lot more people would have been killed and or maimed.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:42 PM

ANDRE83


Yeah, that outcast jedi IS Ron Glass. I meen...seriously :) If book ever was to become a jedi, this would be him :P

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter
Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight
Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:54 PM

DARKDELACROIX


haha i second that

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Kaylee: Everyone's got somebody. Wash, tell me I'm pretty.
Wash: Were I unwed, I would take you in a manly fashion.
Kaylee: 'Cause I'm pretty?
Wash: 'Cause you're pretty.

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:03 PM

KANESKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
LucasArts ruined KOTOR 2. Not only did LucasArts release the game before it was finished but Obsidian originally wanted the game to be much darker, LucasArts didn't want that so they forced Obsidian to make the game more kids friendly. If Obsidian had finished the game, a lot more people would have been killed and or maimed.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam



Yeah, LucasArts does have an irritating habbit of doing that. What's worse - the dialogue for the alternate and darker endings has already been written and is IN the game files. Just.... GRRR!

Oh well, we'll always have Planescape. :D

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Friday, February 3, 2006 8:44 PM

STILLFREE


I can definately see some similarities between KotOR and Firefly. Old Jedi Book, worn out ship with a disjointed band of eccentrics that somehow join up against (or with?!?!?) a manipulative empire. They both have a wry sense of humor (Can I just kill the meatbags now?) But man, HOW WHINY WAS CARTH? Boohoo, the Sith this, the Sith that, you destroyed everything in life I cared about.

"Oh well, we'll always have Planescape. :D"
Amen. I've never played a game with more philosophy, interesting characters, and mind-bending events. I can't believe people love the Icewind Dale games without even giving PS: T a chance.


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Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:16 AM

NATEM


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Yeah, LucasArts does have an irritating habbit of doing that. What's worse - the dialogue for the alternate and darker endings has already been written and is IN the game files. Just.... GRRR!


What, a large corporation controlling the design and screwing with the concept?! Sounds like there's something else it has in common with Firefly.

I loved KOTOR. Come to think of it I think I will reinstall it.

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 12:49 PM

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I've never finished KotOR 1 but I'm well into KotOR 2, but I now I have to restart 2 to get the canon story



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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:53 AM

BIGWOLF18


i tried to finish

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Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:53 AM

ELRIC


i love kotor but the second one i didnt like so much but hopfully the third will be good

i never thought of firefly when i played kotor

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Monday, December 4, 2006 9:04 AM

FAQA


Glad I'm not the only one who thought of the parallel.

Jayne, BTW, is SO HK-47. Completely. He's not Canderous, he's who Canderous pretended to be.

Brutal, violent and lives to kill. Jayne is Mal's HK-47.

Mal, meanwhile, is of course, a cross between Carth and the Exile from KOTOR2(mostly in his darkness and charisma).

I never thought of Jolee/Book, though. Weird, but perfect.

Anyone have a match for the Tams? I'm drawing a blank.


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Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:00 PM

ENJOLRAS


I actually thought of KOTOR when watching Firefly for the first time, which was interesting. I love both for the same reason - a strong ensemble cast.

I actually see Simon and River in T3-M4 and Revan. T3 is loyal to Revan and dedicated to watching over him. Revan is mentally brainwashed but turns out to have a secret past and superior fighting skills.

Jolee as Book - agreed

Bastila as Zoe

HK-47 as Jayne (a brutal killer, but also killer funny)

Carth as Wash

Juhani as Inara (somewhat stoic female, speaks formally)

Canderous as Mal (fought in a war, defeated, now just trying to make his way)

Mission as Kaylee (young girl, brash, good with machines)

T3 as Simon (loyal but helpless watching over Revan/River)

Revan as River (names start with R, both secret fighting skills and hidden past)

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Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:47 AM

BYTEMITE


In retrospect, the gameplay in the first KOTOR was somewhat lackluster although it was a pretty good attempt at turning starwars d20 into a video game, and the story only had one major plot twist and was otherwise fairly predictable.

But it was a fun game anyway, the first time I really felt like a game portrayed Star Wars and the classic good versus evil story well since the days of Kyle Katarn (before those games even got a little weaksauce).

I still think they should have had Revan canonically be female. It's a more surprising reveal. Oh well.

And Carth isn't so bad. He's basically a more outspoken sensitive paranoid Mal, right down to his homeworld being destroyed and losing his family, but still got his heart in the right place. I didn't romance him (still a weird concept for me), but I do think he's a more interesting companion than Bastilla and the wooden stilts she had surgically introduced to her colon. Whether she was darkside, lightside, and with or without force powers.

Never actually played the second one, because I'd heard it turns into a giant mess. Didn't feel like investing hours of play into something that just falls apart at the end.

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