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Dead or Alive? The thread that decides it once and for all.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:53 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


If the series were to come back in any form, does Wash stay dead, or does he get magic-ed back?

Please just vote with "Dead" or "Alive" so we can get a tally. On July 4th I will add 'em up. I doubt this would affect anything, but I'd like ta know myself...

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:12 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Jarkeph in chat votes "alive"

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:12 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Tizera in chat votes "dead"

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:47 AM

VERASAMUELS


Wash still dead, but Zoe pregnant with his child.

Devout Keeper of Jayne's Lunchbox

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:50 AM

MUTT999



Alive.


Added: I say alive because in the event of a return, I'd really like it to take place during the 6 months between the series and the movie. All the adventures we missed in that time span!

If it was post movie, that's a whole 'nother story.




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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:24 AM

REAVERFAN


Alive.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:00 AM

LOOTZEE


Zombie......I mean dead



"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching"

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:27 AM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?


dead but his letharious twin brother is alive and well...with a ship of his own and a whole nother dynamic to bring to the table

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:59 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Dead, dead, deadski

°...Well here I am.°

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:17 PM

MOOSE


Dead

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:21 PM

WHOZIT


If they do a reboot....hmmm?

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:35 PM

BRENDA


I vote "dead"

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:06 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Dead, but he can appear in flashbacks or dream sequences.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:33 PM

STORYMARK


Dead.

What happened, happened.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:50 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Alive! Alive! Alive! Can I vote more than once? :)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:28 PM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Alive. The dead are boring so far as TV plots are concerned, with few exceptions such as Dead Like Me or Reaper or Pushing Daisies or Being Human or Walking Dead. You know, animated dead are better than dead dead, with living Wash the best of all.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:38 PM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Extremely, vehemently alive!

Mike

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:26 PM

BYTEMITE


Alive, I guess, even though narratively I think it would be a mistake and lose a lot of character development.

It just seems wildly inappropriate to wish for someone's death on the internet, even if they're fictional.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:47 PM

MOOSE


We're not wishing death on Wash, Joss made that decision already. We're just saying if we agree if his choice should stick or not.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:43 PM

MAL4PREZ


You're horrible, to force such a choice!

OK, dead.

But he'll be alive forever in flashbacks and back story of Zoe's father-of-her-child and whatever. I hope.

I don't know what else would work without being heart-breaking to the fans or lame as far as Hollywood plot line take-backs. (Does Joss get a take-back with this? In Buffy and Angel, sure, reincarnate away. But in Firefly, can it happen? *scratches head*)

But then, Joss knows more than me by about X100,000. I hope he gets the chance to pull the right kind of thing off and I hope he amazes us all. It'd be nice.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:41 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
SNIP
or lame as far as Hollywood plot line take-backs.
(Does Joss get a take-back with this? But in Firefly, can it happen? *scratches head*)
SNIP



I'll remind you that Joss already saw fit to do a take-back with Dobson,
who got shot in the HEAD with a pistol that dropped a horse in one shot.

So yes, it can happen in Firefly,
for infinitely inferior story development reasons.

Mike

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:12 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
I'll remind you that Joss already saw fit to do a take-back with Dobson,
who got shot in the HEAD with a pistol that dropped a horse in one shot.

So yes, it can happen in Firefly,
for infinitely inferior story development reasons.

Wash can be brought back with infinitely superior technology indistinguishable from magic per a story here on Fireflyfans.net www.fireflyfans.net/bluesun.aspx?bid=5185

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:37 AM

EBFIDDLER


Oh boy. I don't like that Wash was killed in the movie, but I don't like magical solutions, or time-warp re-winds or whatever. I'd rather have him come back, quite frequently, in dreams, flashbacks, and in people's memories. So lots and lots and lots of Wash, please, but he's still dead. (Same for Book.)

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:43 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Dead.

Anything else would cheapen his sacrifice and undo a part of what the BDM did for us.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:57 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by ebfiddler:
Oh boy. I don't like that Wash was killed in the movie, but I don't like magical solutions, or time-warp re-winds or whatever. I'd rather have him come back, quite frequently, in dreams, flashbacks, and in people's memories. So lots and lots and lots of Wash, please, but he's still dead. (Same for Book.)



Wash was the comic relief.
Fond remembrances of the dead guy aren't really all that funny.

Not magic; Wash can be returned to the Firefly story using already established in the 'verse tech:

Put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial. Along the way, Simon informs the crew that the same medical tech that produced Tracy's hopped up internal organs ("million credit meat" in Tracy's words) are accessible at Government research facilities. Using a bit of improvisation and Book's ident card, they sneak Wash in place of a politico who bumped a deserving recipient (ala PA's governor Casey who bumped everybody down the list for his transplant). Alliance bashing, witty dialog and some gunplay ensues.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:03 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Dead.

Anything else would cheapen his sacrifice and undo a part of what the BDM did for us.



All the ending of the BDM did for me was piss me off,
so, yeah, I don't mind if that gets undone.

Plus you can't cheapen a cheap shot.
All Wash did was get a spear thru the chest while he sat reciting poetry
instead of getting the heck out.
His NOBLE contribution was his piloting that saved the crew;
his ignominious death was unrelated to his noble actions.

Mike
My Firefly/Serenity Collection:
http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3541

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:28 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Awww, come on. There's another thread for the bickering, all you had to do was "dead" or "alive".

I can't imagine what it's like actually living with some of you *facepalm

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:13 PM

BIGDAMNHERO42

-Aint no place I can be since I found Serenity


Alive.

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Thursday, March 14, 2013 6:48 AM

EBFIDDLER


Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
Quote:

Originally posted by ebfiddler:
Oh boy. I don't like that Wash was killed in the movie, but I don't like magical solutions, or time-warp re-winds or whatever. I'd rather have him come back, quite frequently, in dreams, flashbacks, and in people's memories. So lots and lots and lots of Wash, please, but he's still dead. (Same for Book.)



Wash was the comic relief.
Fond remembrances of the dead guy aren't really all that funny.



Actually, the flashbacks and memories and dreams can be quite comic. At least I have found that to be the case in my fanfic. ;-) Wash is still Wash, and he's still funny. :-)

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Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:03 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Awww, come on. There's another thread for the bickering, all you had to do was "dead" or "alive".

I can't imagine what it's like actually living with some of you *facepalm



..."living with" is a relative term... Perhaps if you used the past tense?

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Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:26 AM

DASSAD1970

ah...Jane that some gun.


ALIVE....kept in cyro...until he can be fixed...The Doc got some real strange knowledge

Douglas Allan Stanley

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Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:28 AM

DASSAD1970

ah...Jane that some gun.


yesyesyesyes


Douglas Allan Stanley

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Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:21 AM

ZEEK


Dead

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Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:12 AM

MANATEE

We're still flyin: 'Firefly' Lives!


dead in the BDM 'verse*
alive in the Firefly 'verse**

*because: ...as far as I can tell, human physiology in the 'verse is about the same as now; the brain can survive only a few minutes without oxygen, certainly less time than passed between the spearing and any opportunity to cryo him (though I like the cryo idea a lot).

** but: "If you shoot a man with a Colt 45 and he is still standing . . . . . . walk around behind him and see what he is propped up against."

Quote:


I'll remind you that Joss already saw fit to do a take-back with Dobson,
who got shot in the HEAD with a pistol that dropped a horse in one shot.

So yes, it can happen in Firefly,
for infinitely inferior story development reasons.

Mike



Also: I saw a quote from Joss that says the BDM is not 'Firefly'; so ---
it is up to Joss to undo or not-undo Wash's pointless death.

(Sorry about the lengthy post, I don't know where the other, 'bickering thread' is - feel free to move this there if you wish.)

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Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:57 AM

MOOSE


Yeah, where is that other thread? I wanna bicker!


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Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:03 PM

MALACHITE


Dead -- but Mr. Universe could bring him back as a shiny, new robot. Oh wait, he's dead, too... Noooooooooo!

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Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:55 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Bumpity ^

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Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:59 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

..."living with" is a relative term... Perhaps if you used the past tense?



Why, I haven't killed anyone...uh...

I say "Do not look at that body behind the curtain....I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ AND..."
Well, now ya know where some of our old-timers went, heh.

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:24 PM

MISBEHAVING01


Dead. Must stay true to story! My best friend, however, demands for Serenity to be viewed as an alternate ending and wants Wash back!

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Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:15 AM

SAVEWASH

Now I am learning about scary.


Alive. (How can I go against my moniker?)



We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads.

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:13 PM

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Friday, April 5, 2013 7:56 AM

CDABEL


Alive,

cause he never was dead. After the reaver battle, they stuck his body in River's cryo box awaiting burial. On route, Simon mentioned a facility using the same tech that stuck the "million credit meat" in Tracy. The crew snuck Wash in place of some undeserving Alliance big shot for the life regenerating procedure, and faked the funeral to throw the authorities off their trail. We just haven't seen him yet in the comics. That's the story in my head anyway.

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Friday, April 5, 2013 7:56 AM

CDABEL


Edit: fixing double post

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Saturday, April 6, 2013 8:46 AM

SC_FF_FAN


Of course, bring back WASH. Star Trek brought back Spock, so I like the idea of the cryo-box combined with a cell regeneration chamber like 5th Element. We can't live without Alan's comic relieve during stressfull situations. It would be interesting if he had no memory of his past life or quick flash backs before losing it again. He would be in constant discovery about his flight skills and love for Zoe. As for Ron Glass' character, Book, he could be replaced by another religious order person with a mysterious background. If NBC's Revolution show is the best representation of SCIFI, I'm ready for a FireFly revival or something that doesn't defy science, realistic, down to earth characters, and somewhat unpredictable.

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Monday, May 20, 2013 6:43 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Bumpin up in case anyone missed it...

You only have 'nother month and some to decide if you're mulling it over...

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Monday, May 20, 2013 9:16 AM

BYTEMITE


Actually I honestly think Book is more plot relevant than Wash, so if I had to choose, it would be Book who comes back. Or some technological clone/ doppelganger of Book with not necessarily all of his memories (possibly villainous? And then he could go through a similar transformative experience that he winds up as a preacher).

But I don't really see a good storyline justification for either of them as neither of them are in the good graces of anyone who might have access to technology like that. So unless River suddenly becomes a reality warper or it turns out the movie was just a dream, probably not happening.

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Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:47 PM

DAVESHAYNE


Dead and alive.

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Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:15 PM

MUTT999



Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:
Dead and alive.



Schrödinger's space pilot?



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Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:53 PM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
SNIP

But I don't really see a good storyline justification for either of them as neither of them are in the good graces of anyone who might have access to technology like that.



Wash can be returned to the Firefly story using
already established in-the-'verse-tech:

Put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial.
Along the way, Simon informs the crew
that the same medical tech that produced Tracy's hopped up internal organs
("million credit meat" in Tracy's words)
are accessible at Government research facilities.
Using a bit of improvisation and Book's ident card,
they sneak Wash in place of a politico who bumped a deserving recipient
(ala PA's governor Casey who bumped everybody down the list for his transplant).
Alliance bashing, witty dialog and some gunplay ensues.

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Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:45 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
Wash can be returned to the Firefly story using
already established in-the-'verse-tech:

Put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial.
Along the way, Simon informs the crew
that the same medical tech that produced Tracy's hopped up internal organs
("million credit meat" in Tracy's words)
are accessible at Government research facilities.
Using a bit of improvisation and Book's ident card,
they sneak Wash in place of a politico who bumped a deserving recipient
(ala PA's governor Casey who bumped everybody down the list for his transplant).
Alliance bashing, witty dialog and some gunplay ensues.

Too complicated and scientific. There is a simpler way:

I swear by the Blood of Khan, for if Star Trek Into Darkness can resurrect a dead tribble, Firefly can resurrect Wash.

J.J. Abrams' Star Trek movie stories demonstrate there is no need for real science in science fiction. Audiences will believe anything if it is made with enough flash and flare.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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