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If Firefly's your favourite show of all-time, what's your second favourite?

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:06 AM

ZOOT


And AGAIN - what the gorram hell is wrong with my computer???

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:06 AM

ZOOT


Am so gonna start a NE thread sometime soon ... got very confused with season 2 as there was no indication that the DVDs were double sided, so I have missed half the episodes and am having to go back … but please, put me out of my misery and tell me this … Do Maggie and Joel EVER get it on (other than the full moon episode in season 1)??? …

Have you ever watched Wonderfalls? - Kinda reminds me of NE somehow (but slightly sharper) ...

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:24 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by Zoot:
Am so gonna start a NE thread sometime soon ... got very confused with season 2 as there was no indication that the DVDs were double sided, so I have missed half the episodes and am having to go back … but please, put me out of my misery and tell me this … Do Maggie and Joel EVER get it on (other than the full moon episode in season 1)??? …

Have you ever watched Wonderfalls? - Kinda reminds me of NE somehow (but slightly sharper) ...



Ahhh Zoot You know I'm a stickler for not giving things away.

Just rest easy knowing that this show will rarely disappoint. All the characters become so well fleshed out that they each develop plot lines that you want to know more about. It becomes intoxicating. You're in for a real treat.

(Well actually I say that but they haven't released anymore here have they? In the UK I mean? You are from the UK aren't you Zoot?)

I'm remembering things from the first time I saw it when it was shown on channel 4 back in the 90's. I just hope they do release the entire show - it's pure genius.

:)
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Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:28 AM

FINALDUELIST


Firefly kicks ass. but im not sure if its my absolute favourite. there are plenty of other kick as shows out there;

Dark Angel.....why, why did they cut you.

Alias.....stoylines dont get much more convoluted than this.

stargate SG1.....not as consistant as it used to be but still worth a mention.

Buffy/Angel.....enough said.

Family Guy.....people should stop suing it and just enjoy it.

Star Treck.....as a whole, there were good episodes in all series(though enterprise wasn't up to standard)

Andromada.....good show, hard to get over herculies as a starship captain though.



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Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:36 AM

ZOOT


yes, Somnambulist, I am from the UK and I too have a vague memory of staying up late to watch Northern Exposure in the 80s (90s?) - sure I was at school but went to uni in 91, so I dunno ....

Acting only upon this vague and random memory, I ordered me series 1 and 2 and, oh wait, 3 (yes, just realised I'm actually watching season 3!!) from the US, region 1 - having said that you can buy the DVDs pretty cheaply on Amazon UK ...

The only draw back is you need either a multi-region DVD player (which most people have now anyhoo) or, like me, an apple on which to play region 1 in good quality coupled with a DVD player for region 2 …


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Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:56 AM

TOMFORESTGOBLIN


Firefly is definitely in first, followed by the new Battlestar Galactica which i'm enjoying immensely.

Others include:
Buffy/Angel - (Goes without saying, although i much prefer Angel)
Stargate SG-1/Atlantis - (Ah, the TV equivalent of a popcorn flick. All good fun.)
Alias - (Very interesting.)
The 4400 - (Very good first season, absolutely cracking second season.)
Spaced - (The best comedy. Ever. I strongly suggest all of you check this one out. Hundreds of film references and homages, most of them Star Wars (very funny episode where the main character loses his job at a comic book store, because he shouted and swore at a little kid who wanted a Jar-Jar doll). Also some Buffy/Angel references.)
Dead Like Me - (Loved the cynical humour.)

"Now that makes you kind of a tease, don't it."

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 1:15 AM

GIANTEVILHEAD


Firefly is my favorite canceled show of all time. Andy Richter Controls the Universe is my second favorite canceled show.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:32 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by Zoot:
yes, Somnambulist, I am from the UK and I too have a vague memory of staying up late to watch Northern Exposure in the 80s (90s?) - sure I was at school but went to uni in 91, so I dunno ....

Acting only upon this vague and random memory, I ordered me series 1 and 2 and, oh wait, 3 (yes, just realised I'm actually watching season 3!!) from the US, region 1 - having said that you can buy the DVDs pretty cheaply on Amazon UK ...

The only draw back is you need either a multi-region DVD player (which most people have now anyhoo) or, like me, an apple on which to play region 1 in good quality coupled with a DVD player for region 2 …



You know I used to have a mac that did multi region, but I gave it to my mum and bought myself a Minimac for my flat and now they only let you change the region four times, then you're stuck with the region you last decided on FOREVER!!!!

So I don't do it, and am now patiently waiting seasons 3-6 on region2 or whatever it is we got here!!!
Anyway i share much of those memories of watching Northern Exposure. In my family it was 'my' show, as nobody else bothered, so I'd tape it then watch it when everyone had gone to bed. I'd be kept company by my ever loyal and trustfull border collie and we'd both be on the bean bag watching it. Yeah real fond memories...... :)

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:45 AM

ZOOT


yeah, my show like that was MASH ... I can remember being allowed to turn the TV on to watch it (otherwise no TV on school nights) - very exciting ...

Incidentally I think those years of deprivation are the reason why I’m so obsessive about my TV/ film watching now!! So ha! Mother! Look at your legacy to the world, look at it!!!!

So are there 6 seasons of NE?? Only seen 1-3 on DVD …


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Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:49 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by Zoot:
yeah, my show like that was MASH ... I can remember being allowed to turn the TV on to watch it (otherwise no TV on school nights) - very exciting ...

Incidentally I think those years of deprivation are the reason why I’m so obsessive about my TV/ film watching now!! So ha! Mother! Look at your legacy to the world, look at it!!!!

So are there 6 seasons of NE?? Only seen 1-3 on DVD …



Yeah I think there were six ? I can't recall exactly but once it ended my tv watching went down to zero.... Then this fellow called Joss came along with something he called Buffy the Vampire Slayer....

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 5:36 AM

SOMEDEEPMYSTERY


Firefly is my #1, followed by Due South, with a couple of others really close up on it. But I loved Due South especially the first season. :)

*delurk mode terminated*

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 5:50 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH


I've never heard of Spaced or Dead Like Me. Can someone tell me where I might be able to watch them??

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 5:55 AM

DANTHEMAN


1a) Firefly
1b) Buffy

Everything else doesn't really matter. Those two were far and away the best two shows on TV. Never liked Angel though.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 6:01 AM

ORPHEUS


After Firefly, I've gotta go with the Clerks animated series. I think it's the only show in history that got the shaft harder than Firefly.

Not only did ABC push Clerks' debut from Spring 2000 to Summer 2000, but they premiered it on the same night as the first Survivor and the NBA Finals.

Only 6 episodes were made (only 2 ever aired), and it's quite possibly the single funniest thing ever.

You just gotta love a show that will rip off Bad News Bears, Last Starfighter, and Temple of Doom, and make it all the same plot.

But as far as TV that's still ON TV, I'll say South Park. Call me juvenile, but I've been a South Park fan since day 1.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 6:27 PM

LIMINALOSITY


Quote:

Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Dead Like Me. Can someone tell me where I might be able to watch them??

I give to you the Seeker....Scoper.



Hey b'day girl!
Dead Like Me is a cancelled 2 season show that was on a US cable network. You can order it, but that's money. Can you something like Netflix in the far frozen northland of queens? It's well worth a little bother.


I am very concerned about all this talk of regions 1-4! How is this messing with the sleepwalkers and zoot-suited?
There should be no unalterable -choices- to be made regarding cultcha! What are these powers thinking?
Is this a Brit thang?



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Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:17 PM

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Picket fences... law & order (original) also

but this season it's a fight between Medium, House, or Commander in Chief (Gina Davis so hot!)



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Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Are we talking current shows ? If so I don't think I have one :? Maybe a thing here in the UK called SCRAPHEAP CHALLENGE if that counts. But it's not a drama or nothing... just peeps be building things outa junk and challenging each other with it....

Otherwise It'll have to be Northern Exposure



"Junkyard Wars" in the USA. I really liked that show.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:06 PM

VISITINGMYINTENTIONS


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Firefly is perfection.

"Yes, Prime Minister" is near perfection.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky



Ooh--why didn't I remember that one. I'm sad, because my video store only has a few episodes (it wasn't tragically cancelled, I hope?!).

Quote:

Originally posted by dantheman:
1a) Firefly
1b) Buffy

Everything else doesn't really matter. Those two were far and away the best two shows on TV. Never liked Angel though.



Nor I. I don't really understand its popularity (other than getting to see Buffy characters again).

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:55 PM

ANOTHERFIREFLYFAN


Funny how the thread asks for only one 2nd favorite, but almost everyone responds with a list. ;)

Second favorite is really tough to choose though...

While I do really love Joss's other shows, I think I'd have to go with Farscape - which I'm buying as the starburst edition dvds come out and seeing for the first time. I'm partway through season 2 and loving every minute.

Although if I was to include all types of shows, rather than just hour-long story type shows, I'm also a huge MSTie. (That's Mystery Science Theater 3000 for those not in the know.) Nothing has ever made me laugh harder. If only the DVD sets weren't so ruttin' expensive. :( If only this show was still on reruns somewhere.

Umm... if I were to make a list (looks like I did too... lol) it would also include Babylon 5 and Wonderfalls and Buffy and Angel.

Keep flying

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Friday, November 4, 2005 12:29 AM

HAWK


Doctor Who

A fixture of my childhood, my passion for it was reignited by the recent new series.

Funny thing though; Doctor Who is the longest running science fiction show ever, Firefly only ran for one season, and the latter is my favourite!

Honourable mentions also go to Angel, Buffy, Dark angel, new Battlestar Galactica and Spooks.

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Friday, November 4, 2005 12:39 AM

ZOOT


Quote:

Originally posted by liminalosity:




I am very concerned about all this talk of regions 1-4! How is this messing with the sleepwalkers and zoot-suited?
There should be no unalterable -choices- to be made regarding cultcha! What are these powers thinking?
Is this a Brit thang?






I guess it is a Brit thing, only not really as I suspect it was the US that came up with regions originally - Just means that unless you have a multi-region DVD player you can't buy DVDs cheaply from other countries ... I think there's some technical reasons to do with pixels or whatever but reckon it's all just so much mumbo jumbo to get us to pay inflated prices ...

Becomes much more annoying when you discover that e.g. the region 1 (US) versions of Dark Angel have loads of fab commentaries and mini-docs but the UK (region 2) has none of it!! Grr Arhg!

And to Queen of the North, may I just say Spaced is superb – very, very funny – especially if you’ve ever had low self esteem and shared a flat with a geeky man, you’ll find it hysterical …


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Friday, November 4, 2005 1:51 AM

LJSQUARED


I'm surprised no one has said Wonderfalls yet so I'll lock that in as my second favourite. Blackadder, Fawlty Towers and Red Dwarf all Deserve mention aswell.

The New Battlestar, House , Veronica Mars, Arrested Development and Rome are my favourite shows still in production.

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Friday, November 4, 2005 2:19 AM

ZOOT


I said Wonderfalls!!!!

Ohh and am totally LOVING House ...

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Friday, November 4, 2005 2:39 AM

ELGGIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Hawk:
Angel, Buffy, Dark angel, new Battlestar Galactica and Spooks.



Love Angel, Buffy and Spooks (as well as many others)...

... but yay Mathew Macfadyen. Great in Spooks and that really good New Zealand movie My Fathers Den (and he's a good Mr. Darcy whatever people say)

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Friday, November 4, 2005 5:27 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH


Thanks Lim! I don't think I can get Netflix here, but I can order it through Amazon. My way of getting anything not available in stores here. Maybe I can get Spaced too. I just bought Veronica Mars season 1 yesterday, so I'll have to see how I like that.

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Friday, November 4, 2005 5:42 AM

ZOOT


I thought he was an excellent Mr Darcy too, Elggin and not just 'cos he's unfathomably beautiful!!

He was also superb in Henry IV on stage - I was in the second row and could have reached out and touched him... (but for the restrainign order, of course) ...

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Friday, November 4, 2005 5:44 AM

SUNDANCE


Picking favourites is not so hard, i'd have to go Buffy then FF.

I love FF but I grew up with Buffy through the good times and bad in my life, it was always there for me and we got to say goodbye properly too. Whereas with FF we hardly got to know each other, and then didn't have (horrible word coming up!) "closure" (don't have a brit word for that - sorry fellow-brits!). So it feels a little like we woz cheated hot damn it!

I was gonna list a load of other shows that i really really liked - but when it comes down to it you have ur favs, and then you always have your nearly favs that don't quite cut it - which is the difference between them.

Interesting to see that a lot of current shows make people's favourites, when so many people slate the quality of good televsion these days! it's just that the good shows don't stay around for long enuff!


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Friday, November 4, 2005 7:22 AM

LADYSHELLEY


Quote:

Originally posted by Zoot:

I guess it is a Brit thing, only not really as I suspect it was the US that came up with regions originally - Just means that unless you have a multi-region DVD player you can't buy DVDs cheaply from other countries ... I think there's some technical reasons to do with pixels or whatever but reckon it's all just so much mumbo jumbo to get us to pay inflated prices ...



Actually it was a combination of things. Studios wanted to make sure a release that was available for sale in one place (Be it the US, UK, or where ever) wasn't available in another market where it still needed to show on screens.

Very few movies release around the world the same day, there are still lots of places that haven't seen the BDM and won't by 12/20 when the region 1 DVD is released. By no releasing the film in other regions, theorically they are saving those box office markets.

The other reason is some countries, namely China, want to be able to control the content of the films released, so they have their very own region to allow for this.

The reality is the argument is now moot. You can buy a region free player for about $20 these days (I know because I did it), and other players can be hacked to removed the region information. However, manufacturers still want to live the dream they are controlling the content, only now it's getting more insidious: HDDVD and Blu-Ray the new DVD formats, have come out saying the DVD player will need to be connected to a phone line to insure content protections.

Fun, 'eh?

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Friday, November 4, 2005 7:37 AM

PATSRULE


Favorite: Lost
Second favorite: Murder One

Honorable mentions:

Firefly
Cheers
Married with Children
24
Family Guy

Potential to join the list if they can maintain the current quality:

Prison Break
My Name is Earl

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Friday, November 4, 2005 7:51 AM

SIC


I'm a coward, I'll just name other series I like. Not sure which ones are my favorite yet.

Angel
Firefly
Buffy
X-Files
Six Feet Under
Millennium

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Friday, November 4, 2005 8:07 AM

LIMINALOSITY


Quote:

Originally posted by LadyShelley:
Quote:

Originally posted by Zoot:
reckon it's all just so much mumbo jumbo to get us to pay inflated prices ...



there are still lots of places that haven't seen the BDM and won't by 12/20 when the region 1 DVD is released.

The other reason is some countries, namely China, want to be able to control the content of the films released, so they have their very own region to allow for this.

The reality is the argument is now moot. You can buy a region free player for about $20 these days (I know because I did it), and other players can be hacked to removed the region information. However, manufacturers still want to live the dream they are controlling the content, only now it's getting more insidious: HDDVD and Blu-Ray the new DVD formats, have come out saying the DVD player will need to be connected to a phone line to insure content protections.

Fun, 'eh?

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Thanks for that, both of you. Makes perfect sense, and looks to me like it might also carry a thinly veiled anti-napsterizing property in its pocket.

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Friday, November 4, 2005 11:25 AM

ZIGGY


Firefly is without doubt my favourite show, with Quantum Leap as my second favourite

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Friday, November 4, 2005 1:41 PM

SICKDUDE


To quote Homer: "TV. Teacher, Mother, Secret Lover."

Tough question, Cisall, but for me Firefly is probably two or three on the list. Lost would be second.

For first place, I'll take SPT Layzner, an obscure Japanese anime show circa 1986. It chronicles an alien invasion of Earth that starts by using attacks on the far colonies (Mars, the moon) to get the Super powers fighting. Then the aliens handily finish the job (think Minbari). Then the second part is about occupied Earth. The story itself is about a group of kids stuck in the middle, and the lone alien that defects to fight for Earth's sake. Based loosely on the legend of Melos.

Hey, someone has to be obscure...

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Friday, November 4, 2005 2:07 PM

ELGGIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Zoot:
I thought he was an excellent Mr Darcy too, Elggin and not just 'cos he's unfathomably beautiful!!

He was also superb in Henry IV on stage - I was in the second row and could have reached out and touched him... (but for the restrainign order, of course) ...B]



Lucky you...

I've never met anyone who agreed with me about his unfathomable beauty...

Have you seen My Fathers Den? It's a beautiful movie, kinda depressing, but really very good. If you like Mathew it's even better...

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Friday, November 4, 2005 4:23 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Sickdude:


For first place, I'll take SPT Layzner, an obscure Japanese anime show circa 1986.


Is it available on dvd? Sounds interesting...

Chrisisall

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Saturday, November 5, 2005 7:07 AM

SFFAZ


Quote:

Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
Freaks & Geeks and Spaced are tied for second place on my list. After that it's Sports Night.



Hey, someone else who likes SPORTS NIGHT. For me Sports Night is No. 1. Although i'm not as fanatic about it as i'm about firefly. And i can't decide about second because i haven't completed watching all these series except FF: Firefly, B5, Wonderfalls, Twin Peaks, Buffy, Angel, Red Dwarf, V the mini series and the Final battle but not the series, Black Adder and Rowan Atkinson's The Thin Blue Line, Pretender, VR5 and Millennium.

To me Sports Night is the TV equivalent of baseball's Perfect Game, where every episode is a home run/no hitter, which is appropriate because its about a sports programme. As for the others, i guess Firefly leads by a nose because Joss made Serenity and i'm not suffering pangs of what happens next like most of the shows mentioned above. But as purely tv series, see abovefor my reasoning.

Hin [in Singapore]


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Saturday, November 5, 2005 10:01 AM

DAELUS


My second favourite would be 'Carnivale'. It's such a fantastic, well-written show.

"My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

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Saturday, November 5, 2005 10:34 AM

ROCKETJOCK


Quote:

Originally posted by Declan:
Oh, man! F Troop really goes back aways!

I used to know the theme song by heart when I was in 4th or 5th grade.



Ahem! (Blows pitch pipe):

The end of the Civil War was near/when quite accidentally/a soldier who sneezed abruptly seized/retreat and reversed it to victory.

His medal of honor pleased and thrilled/his proud little family group/while pinning it on some blood was spilled/and so it was planned he'd command -- F-TROOP!

Where indian fights are colorful sights/and nobody takes a lickin'/where paleface and redskin both turn chicken/when drilling and marching get them down/they know their morale won't droop/as long as they all relax in town/before they resume with a bang and a boom/F-TROOP!

"What was that?" -- Captain Malcolm Reynolds

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Saturday, November 5, 2005 10:38 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Firefly is my #1.

If we restrict this to just science fiction, then my #2 is Babylon 5.

If we do not restrict it to genre, then my answer would be Sports Night.



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Sunday, November 6, 2005 10:40 PM

ZOOT


Curses!!! I forgot Sports Night too!! Man, I LOVE that show!!

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Sunday, November 6, 2005 10:44 PM

ZOOT


Quote:

Originally posted by elggin:


Lucky you...

I've never met anyone who agreed with me about his unfathomable beauty...

Have you seen My Fathers Den? It's a beautiful movie, kinda depressing, but really very good. If you like Mathew it's even better...



Not seen in My Father's Den - was on at my local cinema a couple of weeks ago as a director's chair (special showings - I saw Bombon (El Perro) there yesterday) but I missed it ...

I can't believe no one agrees with you - many people I know think he's divine ... he also voicing a certain advert at the moment - can't remember which, but it's on all the time and I sigh every time!!!

Spooks is SO not the same any more ...

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Sunday, November 6, 2005 11:16 PM

TIGER


Anyone who didn't pick the new Battlestar Galactica is a moron.

Yeah you heard me.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2005 1:28 PM

SICKDUDE


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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For first place, I'll take SPT Layzner, an obscure Japanese anime show circa 1986.


Is it available on dvd? Sounds interesting...

Chrisisall


Sadly, no. There was talk someone was going to bring it out in America, but nothing materialized. Luckily, I own the japanese LDs!

"Don't say 'ka' until you've tried it." Daniel Jackson

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Wednesday, November 9, 2005 3:58 PM

20THCENTFOXHATER


Firefly is my all time favourite (duh), followed by (unfortunatley) a few more FOX shows (and others):
2. The Simpsons (before it started sucking bigtime about 4 years ago)
3. Lost
4. Buffy the Vampire Slayer (except for those dreadful final two years. Yes, they were awful compared to the first 4 or 5 seasons)
5. Family Guy (Strong DVD sales brought this back, so why not Firefly?)
6. Angel (At times was even better than Buffy)
7. Alias
8. Futurama (Hey! What do you know? Another pre-empted FOX program that was cancelled.)
9. Friends
10. American Dad
11. Two and a Half Men

"I aim to misbehave."

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Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:26 AM

CHRISISALL


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Anyone who didn't pick the new Battlestar Galactica is a moron.

Yeah you heard me.

Yeah, well BG is good, but it ain't as good as DARK ANGEL, and since this is true and undeniable, logically YOU are the moron here.

Yeah, you heard me too!

We'll choose a place, the weapons, and then, baby, it's go-time!

Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:49 AM

TIGER


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah, well BG is good, but it ain't as good as DARK ANGEL...



Seriously? I mean, you're not being sarcastic or something?

Dark Angel was a good idea, poorly executed. Well, not at first - it started out pretty good but rapidly lost any credibility as anything but a b-list monster show.

Jessica Alba is so totally hot that you can forgive a lot. But even her acting seemed to degrade over time.

Even at its best, Dark Angel NEVER had the dramatic weight that BSG has. Or the great acting, or the tight plotting, or the music, or special effects, etc, etc.

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Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:38 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Tiger:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah, well BG is good, but it ain't as good as DARK ANGEL...



Seriously? I mean, you're not being sarcastic or something?

Nope.
But BG is a solid third on my list.
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Dark Angel was a good idea, poorly executed. Well, not at first - it started out pretty good but rapidly lost any credibility as anything but a b-list monster show.

It shifted gears suddenly between seasons; any fan of Buffy or Angel will tell ya shake-ups are good for keeping an audience off balance. Okay, they did get REAL science-fictiony compared with season 1, but the characters were intact.
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Jessica Alba is so totally hot that you can forgive a lot. But even her acting seemed to degrade over time.

She only got better, IMO. Can you site a specific example of bad acting?
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Even at its best, Dark Angel NEVER had the dramatic weight that BSG has. Or the great acting, or the tight plotting, or the music, or special effects, etc, etc.

Disagree on music, and John Savage is an actor's actor, but all else you say here is true, however, DA has one thing BG can't come close to- HEART. As great as BG is (and it IS great), I came to care more about what happened to Max and Logan than anything else in the show. BG has no such central, visceral theme, no absolutly important central dynamic. It's an ensemble show, and as such, is less intimate and compelling (for me...). This isn't bad, just different, but the reason why I can't love BG as completely as DA.

Chrisisall, defender of the Transgenic faith

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Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:14 AM

QILINLUGH


I haven't seen a lot of the shows people have already listed (especially Dark Angel and Buffy), so maybe I would change my mind if I saw those...however, my (second) favorite is:

Joan of Arcadia

Qi Lin

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Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:24 AM

JONATHANSTRANGE


I have a hard time with the whole concept of "favorite" because technically that means I have to think critically about the things I love in order to rank them. Do I love Firefly/Serenity? Yes (perhaps a little too much at times); but do I love it to the exclusion of all others? I'll get back to you on that one.

Other Much-Loved shows include:

The BuffyVerse (Angel and B:tVS)
Tales From the Crypt (sooooo happy its on DVD now)
Batman: the Animated Series (astonishingly adult for children's fare)

and I'm surprised so few people are mentioning Battlestar Galactica (the new SciFi series, not the cheesetastic 1970 Star Wars knock-off). I think the character work is exceptional, and the show really maintains its epic feel quite well.

(and contrary to the previous poster, you're not an idiot if you don't mention BSG - but you are missing out on some damn fine tv).

"People are crunchy." - Baby Reaver

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Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:38 AM

THANATUS


OK...late comer to this thread, and maybe I missed it, but NOBODY mentions Kung Fu?!?! Come on...the warm tones, great storytelling, moralistic sense without being preachy-like. That was some great TV...only thing David Carradine has EVER done that's worth a darn.

Thoughts?

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