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A simpler answer may simply be that never before have so many in the U.S. wanted to buy so much. The Port of L.A. just completed its busiest September of all time; Long Beach had its second-busiest on record.

“We have been in a buying binge for quite a while now,” said Todd Spencer, president of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, which represents more than 150,000 truckers. “The reality of what’s going on in the U.S. is that the demand for imported goods that arrives via ship is greater than our ability to handle or process those loads.”

The firm’s research has found nearly 90 per cent of people expect to spend more this year, at a time when government handouts and a buoyant stock market have left bank accounts flush, while the wide reach of vaccines means families and friends can once again come together for the holidays. It hasn’t hurt that pandemic travel curbs have left more money to spend on stuff, a trend reflected in dampened outlays on services relative to goods.

It has all pushed logistics networks beyond their capacity.

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-backlog-of-shipping-c
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A simpler answer may simply be that never before have so many in the U.S. wanted to buy so much. The Port of L.A. just completed its busiest September of all time; Long Beach had its second-busiest on record.

“We have been in a buying binge for quite a while now,” said Todd Spencer, president of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, which represents more than 150,000 truckers. “The reality of what’s going on in the U.S. is that the demand for imported goods that arrives via ship is greater than our ability to handle or process those loads.”

The firm’s research has found nearly 90 per cent of people expect to spend more this year, at a time when government handouts and a buoyant stock market have left bank accounts flush, while the wide reach of vaccines means families and friends can once again come together for the holidays. It hasn’t hurt that pandemic travel curbs have left more money to spend on stuff, a trend reflected in dampened outlays on services relative to goods.

It has all pushed logistics networks beyond their capacity.

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I heard news report on 21 October that 100 ships were offshore LA/LB, waiting for an unload berth.

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So this would be a 6 week wait to offload the 100th ship. Like the first week of Dec. (after Black Friday). Not sure if those will get on store shelves by Christmas.


I don't think this will be a repetitive problem.
During Lockdowns, these ships all went back to Asia, probably at slower, more economical speed. Then anchored off Asia, or went for repairs.
Once orders started ramping up, they started sailing for USA.

All of the ships which unloaded in the first week of September might come back here about the same time, after going round trip for a fresh load.
But the 65 ships that were off shore at begin of October are not all coming back here at the same time. They are being metered out, getting evenly spaced by the timetable of offloading here now.

It does seem clear that Asia can load more container ships faster than our Pacific ports can unload them. But the limited supply of container ships, combined with their round-trip schedule demands, will limit how many can appear at our Pacific ports at the same time.

This conclusion does have some assumptions built in, but they seem reasonable.

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A document I found indicates that there's been an almost 50% increase in cargo movement since 2019 (44% increase https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2021-06/ogvcongestion_ada.p
df ). So there's a serious increase in overall demand for unloading at the docks. If the port was previously at or near capacity (in 2019 it generally had 1 ship offshore so that seems reasonable - the combined ports were just keeping up), I can see how ships would end up getting increasingly backlogged over time.

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Not disputing ... I also made the same point. Tuesday, October 19, 2021 3:33 PM

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A document I found indicates that there's been an almost 50% increase in cargo movement since 2019 (44% increase https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2021-06/ogvcongestion_ada.p
df ). So there's a serious increase in overall demand for unloading at the docks. If the port was previously at or near capacity (in 2019 it generally had 1 ship offshore so that seems reasonable - the combined ports were just keeping up), I can see how ships would end up getting increasingly backlogged over time.

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I heard news report on 21 October that 100 ships were offshore LA/LB, waiting for an unload berth.

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So this would be a 6 week wait to offload the 100th ship. Like the first week of Dec. (after Black Friday). Not sure if those will get on store shelves by Christmas.


I don't think this will be a repetitive problem.
During Lockdowns, these ships all went back to Asia, probably at slower, more economical speed. Then anchored off Asia, or went for repairs.
Once orders started ramping up, they started sailing for USA.

All of the ships which unloaded in the first week of September might come back here about the same time, after going round trip for a fresh load.
But the 65 ships that were off shore at begin of October are not all coming back here at the same time. They are being metered out, getting evenly spaced by the timetable of offloading here now.

It does seem clear that Asia can load more container ships faster than our Pacific ports can unload them. But the limited supply of container ships, combined with their round-trip schedule demands, will limit how many can appear at our Pacific ports at the same time.

This conclusion does have some assumptions built in, but they seem reasonable.

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Twenty-three of the waiting ships are “mega-container ,” meaning they are the largest shipping vessels in the world and can hold more than 10,000 20-foot containers.

The container ship Martinique has waited the longest — arriving on Sept. 9.

In addition to all the cargo, the ports continue to welcome other ships without delay, such as cruise liners. Carnival Miracle berthed in Long Beach and Grand Princess and Norwegian Bliss in Los Angeles on Monday, Louttit said.

A total of 57 vessels are at the docks, including cruise ships, tug boats, and law enforcement.

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From personal experience, what used to take me 20–30 minutes to pick up at a warehouse can now take three to four hours. This slowdown is warehouse management related: very few warehouses are open 24 hours, and even if they are, many are so short staffed it doesn’t make much difference, they are so far behind schedule. It means that as a freight driver, I cannot pick up as much freight in a day as I used to, and since I can’t get as much freight on my truck, the whole supply chain is backed up. Freight simply isn’t moving

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Reward bad behaviour and announce $5 billion in tax payer funded loans for Commiefornia's jammed clogged up ports?

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San Francisco supervisors approve non-citizen voting in school board elections

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Republicans in Indiana may look to make school board elections partisan

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
According to an article that I read, the problem IS the truckers. Or, lack of.

It's all about pay. Or, lack of.

Supposedly, the reason why the ports are so clogged is because the containers aren't getting trucked out, which causes massive pileup/congestion. If you can't find a place to put them, how can you unload a ship?

I'll see if I can find that article again, it was interesting.

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According to an article that I read, the problem IS the truckers. Or, lack of.

It's all about pay. Or, lack of.

Supposedly, the reason why the ports are so clogged is because the containers aren't getting trucked out, which causes massive pileup/congestion. If you can't find a place to put them, how can you unload a ship?

I'll see if I can find that article again, it was interesting.

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ETA: Meanwhile... Just another reason why Indiana is the State That Works.

https://www.shelbynews.com/news/state/republicans-in-indiana-may-look-
to-have-school-board-elections-partisan/article_7b2fa2c7-32bd-5dc3-92a0-aa18167876c3.html

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I heard news report on 21 October that 100 ships were offshore LA/LB, waiting for an unload berth.

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So this would be a 6 week wait to offload the 100th ship. Like the first week of Dec. (after Black Friday). Not sure if those will get on store shelves by Christmas.


I don't think this will be a repetitive problem.
During Lockdowns, these ships all went back to Asia, probably at slower, more economical speed. Then anchored off Asia, or went for repairs.
Once orders started ramping up, they started sailing for USA.

All of the ships which unloaded in the first week of September might come back here about the same time, after going round trip for a fresh load.
But the 65 ships that were off shore at begin of October are not all coming back here at the same time. They are being metered out, getting evenly spaced by the timetable of offloading here now.

It does seem clear that Asia can load more container ships faster than our Pacific ports can unload them. But the limited supply of container ships, combined with their round-trip schedule demands, will limit how many can appear at our Pacific ports at the same time.

This conclusion does have some assumptions built in, but they seem reasonable.

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I guess they hit 100 ships on Monday, 18 Oct.
45 more were supposed to arrive within 3 days.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/record-100-ships-wai
ting-offshore-at-la-ports-with-cargo
This is info I have not seen before:

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Twenty-three of the waiting ships are “mega-container ,” meaning they are the largest shipping vessels in the world and can hold more than 10,000 20-foot containers.

The container ship Martinique has waited the longest — arriving on Sept. 9.

In addition to all the cargo, the ports continue to welcome other ships without delay, such as cruise liners. Carnival Miracle berthed in Long Beach and Grand Princess and Norwegian Bliss in Los Angeles on Monday, Louttit said.

A total of 57 vessels are at the docks, including cruise ships, tug boats, and law enforcement.

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I don't see updates since then.

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ETA: Meanwhile... Just another reason why Indiana is the State That Works.

https://www.shelbynews.com/news/state/republicans-in-indiana-may-look-
to-have-school-board-elections-partisan/article_7b2fa2c7-32bd-5dc3-92a0-aa18167876c3.html

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School Boards of the Terra Haute burbs are going to go batsh!t.

All of these obviously partisan offices calling themselves non-partisan is merely a circumvention of The Hatch Act.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
According to an article that I read, the problem IS the truckers. Or, lack of.

It's all about pay. Or, lack of.

Supposedly, the reason why the ports are so clogged is because the containers aren't getting trucked out, which causes massive pileup/congestion. If you can't find a place to put them, how can you unload a ship?

I'll see if I can find that article again, it was interesting.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Twenty-three of the waiting ships are “mega-container ,” meaning they are the largest shipping vessels in the world and can hold more than 10,000 20-foot containers.

The container ship Martinique has waited the longest — arriving on Sept. 9.

In addition to all the cargo, the ports continue to welcome other ships without delay, such as cruise liners. Carnival Miracle berthed in Long Beach and Grand Princess and Norwegian Bliss in Los Angeles on Monday, Louttit said.

A total of 57 vessels are at the docks, including cruise ships, tug boats, and law enforcement.

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Some calculations from this new info:
megs ships carrying more than 5,000 of the 40 foot containers, or 10k of 20 footers. At 5 minutes per container, that is 417 hours to unload if all are 40 footers. Which is 18 days per ship at 24/7 pace. Or 21 days at 20/7 pace. Or 39-42 days at a pace of 20/4. If dayshifts only, it would be 36 days at 12/7 pace.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Twenty-three of the waiting ships are “mega-container ,” meaning they are the largest shipping vessels in the world and can hold more than 10,000 20-foot containers.

The container ship Martinique has waited the longest — arriving on Sept. 9.

In addition to all the cargo, the ports continue to welcome other ships without delay, such as cruise liners. Carnival Miracle berthed in Long Beach and Grand Princess and Norwegian Bliss in Los Angeles on Monday, Louttit said.

A total of 57 vessels are at the docks, including cruise ships, tug boats, and law enforcement.

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Some calculations from this new info:
megs ships carrying more than 5,000 of the 40 foot containers, or 10k of 20 footers. At 5 minutes per container, that is 417 hours to unload if all are 40 footers. Which is 18 days per ship at 24/7 pace. Or 21 days at 20/7 pace. Or 39-42 days at a pace of 20/4. If dayshifts only, it would be 36 days at 12/7 pace.

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Just to refine your calculations, 5 minutes per container is not achievable. There used to be a restaurant at San Pedro's Ports of Call that was on the waterway across from shipping container berths. You could dine on the patio and watch the cranes unloading the containers. First the crane has to be positioned lengthwise and widthwise to the ship to be directly over the container. The container has to be hooked to the crane chains. The crane has to slowly lift the container out straight up (with an initial test tug to make sure the container is well-attached, horizontal, and is itself not unbalanced). Then it has to move dockside a few hundred feet or so, but slowly enough so as to not set the container to swinging (at which point the container would become the tail wagging the dog, and potentially tear the crane structure apart). Then the container has to be positioned to unload, set in place, and unhooked, and the truck has to move off to make room for another truck to position itself. It takes a long time to move those containers!

On the other side of the calculation, there are many more crane-equipped berths than just one.

When it comes to total number of non-container ships at dock, you have to remember that not all berths have cranes, they're general-use berths.


Overall, it does seem that China can load up those ships faster than we can unload them! I haven't looked into how many shipping facilities they have compared to the US. They just might have a lot more ports.

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China can load faster. They don't have unions. More like slave labor, I expect.

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China can load faster. They don't have unions. More like slave labor, I expect.

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Yeah.

We used to have a lot more ports too.

Time to fire California. Let them worry about enforcing their gender-neutral toy aisles and we'll let the adults in other states handle the infrastructure.

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I read online that it took 5 minutes.

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I read online that it took 5 minutes.

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Just like being able to look out over the ocean and see many ships anchored off the ports waiting to be unloaded is a real-world advantage I have when to comes to these specific facts, I've seen with my own eyes it takes 10-20 minutes to unload one container, from positioning a crane over the container to positioning the crane again over another container (one complete cycle). I prefer to believe my own eyes rather than have to depend on some random 'source' from the internet. You otoh will have to decide for yourself what seems reasonable when you consider all the steps involved.

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Yeah.

We used to have a lot more ports too.

Time to fire California. Let them worry about enforcing their gender-neutral toy aisles and we'll let the adults in other states handle the infrastructure.

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Are you going to support Lex Luthor, and his plan to make Arizona and Nevada the new West Coast?
Hate to break the news, but it is too late to keep those 2 states protected from Libtards.

Genuine America is blockaded by Libtards.

Maybe build a canal into Utah, Idaho. It could tunnel under the mountains. Maybe the stateline along CA/NV and Oregon could be designated Federal Territory for the canal.

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I heard news report on 21 October that 100 ships were offshore LA/LB, waiting for an unload berth.

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So this would be a 6 week wait to offload the 100th ship. Like the first week of Dec. (after Black Friday). Not sure if those will get on store shelves by Christmas.


I don't think this will be a repetitive problem.
During Lockdowns, these ships all went back to Asia, probably at slower, more economical speed. Then anchored off Asia, or went for repairs.
Once orders started ramping up, they started sailing for USA.

All of the ships which unloaded in the first week of September might come back here about the same time, after going round trip for a fresh load.
But the 65 ships that were off shore at begin of October are not all coming back here at the same time. They are being metered out, getting evenly spaced by the timetable of offloading here now.

It does seem clear that Asia can load more container ships faster than our Pacific ports can unload them. But the limited supply of container ships, combined with their round-trip schedule demands, will limit how many can appear at our Pacific ports at the same time.

This conclusion does have some assumptions built in, but they seem reasonable.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
OK. 10-20 minutes per container.
So would you say the average is 3 containers per hour, or 4, or 5?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If they hired on the most capable people to do the jobs instead of filling quotas,

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Don't even get me started on unions.

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