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DREAMTROVE: About SIGNY and RIVER6213

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 1:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, DT,I was a little startled when you posted that I responded to River6213 with "death loving cunt" on every post.

I mean, I recall being unforigiveably hard on RAPPY, but don't recall giving RIVER6213 much thought at all. But then, maybe in a fit of intemperance, I did.(Since then I've changed my ways.)

Did a search on site:fireflyfans.net and "death loving cunt" and even "River6213" and came up with nothing.

So I went into the wayback machine and found the "user" handle which allows one to locate all posts by a specific user, here it is for River6213

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=13382

and focusing just on River's RWE posts I looked through about 30, "find on page" either "cunt" or "signy" and what I found is that, in reality, I barely responded to RIVER6213 and, at least in the posts that I looked at, never found any "cunt"-calling. In fact, my replies were usually humorous. Maybe it happened earlier, or occasionally, but not seeing what you're posting about.

OTOH RIVER6213 had itself posted some pretty noxious stuff, sounding an awful lot like REAVERFAN (who I called REAVERBOT for the robotic-like quality of its replies)


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Also Jongsstraw, I seriously don't give a fuck what you think, or feel about anything. Just because I'm not goose-stepping to yours and Auraptor's right-wing ways I'm automatically labeled a liberal? I am no liberal. Also I don't know you therefore you are nothing more than words on a screen too me.

You need to start thinking for yourself instead of french-kissing the crack of Auraptor's ass. Just saying...



Also,this intersting admission by RIVER6213

Quote:

SINGATE: And River6213 I for one would like to see a bit of the old you regardless of what so many others seem to think. Your posts used to be full of interesting quips.

RIVER6231: Thanks, but those interesting "quips" were what got me off-shore dumped off of this board. I think I'll just play like a leaf in the wind for now.



http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=28423&mid=4
88321#488321



If you could refresh my memory and link some of those posts that I made, I'd appreciate it.

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:42 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, DT,



I wasn't intentionally bringing that up, Six was threatening me with exposing an PM in which I said you were off your rocker. That message was referencing that particular flame war. There's no need to bring it up. As for River6213, that was the original account of someone who had a lot of sockpuppets. At any right, she was a first class certifiable lunatic, and you got into a flame war with one of her sockpuppets, which was my reference point for why he, Six, should not get into a flamewar with you which is why I was sending the message because he was, and the flames were getting higher, and that was my basic "no there will not reach a point at which she quits" message.

Now to be fair I don't remember who called who a death loving cunt, but there were a lot of toxic remarks on that level, so my apologies.

If you really want me to dig up the thread, if it hasn't been deleted.

Anyway, I was mocking six for the threat, because he'd already posted it and you'd gone off on the handle then. Which didn't prove me wrong about you being off your rocker, or never quitting. But I think the entire place is like that. It's a looney bin.

No offense. There's just no other response to that threat than to say yes, I said that and we've been through this blackmail before and yes, Signy was a little off her rocker.

However, I'm not about to spend my days bouncing through ten year old posts on a forum with no search engine (like 0.01% of it is indexed on google?) looking for old flame wars to resurrect. Sorry not in the trolling business, I was just relaying the contents of the email before Six dug it up and reposted it, again.

Anyway, I could have referenced the flame war between you and CantTakeSky, or any of the various people who left the site. This is far from the point, the point is I'm not saying something in private i don't say to your face. You lost a staring contest with a lunatic, it was memorable, wherever it is in the link store.

I suspect you've been in 10,000 such flame wars on this site, nothing will enlighten anyone from dragging it up. The only point of it was that I was trying to warn Six off of perpetuating one with you. Not going to be blackmailed by him again.

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:47 PM

DREAMTROVE


And when I say "a lot of sockpuppets" I mean she had "a LOT of sockpuppets"
Thus making it exceedingly difficult to dig up. I'd have to read every post from 2005 to 2010. Anyway, google is useless in this regard. I admit, it stuck in my head because it was an unusual phrase. But also to be fair, it was probably the one used against you, because it probably started over abortion. Seems like the sort of thing an anti-abortion person would be more likely to say. And all the rivers were right wing, sockpuppet and otherwise.



Might have been riverlove now that i think of it. I thought she was a sockpuppet of river6213 at some point. but there were a lot of other sockpuppets, anyway, she probably called you a DLC I just remember that phrase, my point was in the email to Six I said that you were off your rocker by the relentlessness with which you persisted in the flame war long after you had clearly broken the other person in the flame war. that was why i said you were off your rocker. And yes, people left the site because of stuff like this. I think it was a fair assessment, but sorry for the miscrediting of the DLC comment.

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Monday, August 16, 2021 6:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



IIRC CTS left after admitting she wasn't entirely mentally healthy, after fleeing to S America because she was treating her young son with some wacko therapy for a medically undiagnosed condition (which sounded a lot to me like Munchausen syndrome by proxy).

I've been in private contact w/ Kwicko. IIRC he left because he thought Jack was in a literal alcoholic death spiral and didn't want to watch that go down.

That epic argument you claim you had w/ Signy might have been with me because you claimed the NDM-1 gene was a US CBW escapee out of Bagram, and I had research showing it had been found years earlier in Indian surface water/sewage.

Niki2 left because her beloved liberal Pres Obama was getting thrown some shade; and also someone had found her real name and postings on a mental health website and was trolling her about it.

AFAIK ChrisIsAll left due to Rappy.

A lot of foreigners - eg Magonsdaughter, Citizen, et al - left b/c they just couldn't get into all the endless US politics.

Mal4Prez seemed to have some kind of mental crisis - she was sleeping poorly, everyday noises like children playing were bothering her, her usual calm demeanor became short-tempered and pissy.

RionaEire was going blind.





Life got in the way. Firefly faded by comparison.


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Monday, August 16, 2021 8:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Thanks for clearing up some mysteries, KIKI. I always wondered why KWICKO left. It was sudden and complete and he never said goodbye or explained why he left.

I always thought that NIKKI left because she thought that I was about to criticize Obama, but come to think of it I do recall her posting about some mental health issues being discussed on another website.

I never saw CTS' post about not being in her right frame of mind, but she did have an extreme fixation about vaccines of ALL kinds that led her to flee with her children (younger son and older daughter?) to S America (I had the impression Argentina)

And, we know that FREM either left (or was banned) after posting death threats here.

WISHIMAY left after posting many times that she would genocide the world "down to the last 100" and REAVERFAN left after urging people to kill themselves too many times to count, and both fearing they would be doxxed. (If I had posted what THEY had posted, I'd be worried about getting doxxed too) So the board is certainly less toxic with their departure.

GEEZER? SOUPCATCHER? FINN? BYTEMITE? I guess they just kind of faded away.



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Monday, August 16, 2021 8:35 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

IIRC CTS left after admitting she wasn't entirely mentally healthy, after fleeing to S America because she was treating her young son with some wacko therapy for a medically undiagnosed condition (which sounded a lot to me like Munchausen syndrome by proxy).

I've been in private contact w/ Kwicko. IIRC he left because he thought Jack was in a literal alcoholic death spiral and didn't want to watch that go down.
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That epic argument you claim you had w/ Signy might have been with me because you claimed the NDM-1 gene was a US CBW escapee out of Bagram, and I had research showing it had been found years earlier in Indian surface water/sewage.

Niki2 left because her beloved liberal Pres Obama was getting thrown some shade; and also someone had found her real name and postings on a mental health website and was trolling her about it.

AFAIK ChrisIsAll left due to Rappy.

A lot of foreigners - eg Magonsdaughter, Citizen, et al - left b/c they just couldn't get into all the endless US politics.

Mal4Prez seemed to have some kind of mental crisis - she was sleeping poorly, everyday noises like children playing were bothering her, her usual calm demeanor became short-tempered and pissy.

RionaEire was going blind.



I'm pretty sure that kid had Lupus. I met him in RL.
Sig had a few of those epic arguments, she admits to it.
I didn't claim to have an epic argument with Sig, I don't really argue with her
I don't remember claiming something was a baghram bioweapon except maybe the "sand flea" gulf war syndrome. the sand flea story sounded really suspect. My sister worked in a VA hospital and had a lot of GWS patients.
I'm pretty sure anyone could have KYC'd Niki on day one
I assumed she was a paid agent. She purposefully entered conversation where democrats and republicans were getting along and started fights, and then tried to rally liberals to her side, and bullied them if they didn't join her. I just stopped talking politics with her after a while.

IDK why the left had a hate-on for Auraptor, he always seemed unobjectionable to me. But I'll admit that they did. ChrisIsAll is still hanging around fb. he posts pictures of models of enterprises, etc. Specifically what I remember was his son got type-1 diabetes from the mumps-measels-rubella vaccine, and posting "vaccines are bad" as a liberal was not allowed in the political climate of the board and he left shortly after that because he was feeling more generally not welcome. To be fair to him, it's a fatal condition and the boy was 10.

Mal, Wish, and some others came in non-argumentative and became argumentative because the place was toxic and we were all part of that problem. Specifically re:citizen I was that problem, because he would troll every post I made, and I was unable to let it go, so I let him have it

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Monday, August 16, 2021 9:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

IIRC CTS left after admitting she wasn't entirely mentally healthy, after fleeing to S America because she was treating her young son with some wacko therapy for a medically undiagnosed condition (which sounded a lot to me like Munchausen syndrome by proxy).

I've been in private contact w/ Kwicko. IIRC he left because he thought Jack was in a literal alcoholic death spiral and didn't want to watch that go down.

That epic argument you claim you had w/ Signy might have been with me because you claimed the NDM-1 gene was a US CBW escapee out of Bagram, and I had research showing it had been found years earlier in Indian surface water/sewage.

Niki2 left because her beloved liberal Pres Obama was getting thrown some shade; and also someone had found her real name and postings on a mental health website and was trolling her about it.

AFAIK ChrisIsAll left due to Rappy.

A lot of foreigners - eg Magonsdaughter, Citizen, et al - left b/c they just couldn't get into all the endless US politics.

Mal4Prez seemed to have some kind of mental crisis - she was sleeping poorly, everyday noises like children playing were bothering her, her usual calm demeanor became short-tempered and pissy.

RionaEire was going blind.


DREAMTROVE: I'm pretty sure that kid had Lupus. I met him in RL.
Sig had a few of those epic arguments, she admits to it.

WITH AURAPTOR. I don't recall having "epic" arguments with anyone else.
Quote:

I didn't claim to have an epic argument with Sig, I don't really argue with her
I don't remember claiming something was a baghram bioweapon except maybe the "sand flea" gulf war syndrome. the sand flea story sounded really suspect. My sister worked in a VA hospital and had a lot of GWS patients.
I'm pretty sure anyone could have KYC'd

KYC?
Quote:

Niki on day one
I assumed she was a paid agent. She purposefully entered conversation where democrats and republicans were getting along and started fights, and then tried to rally liberals to her side, and bullied them if they didn't join her. I just stopped talking politics with her after a while.



Which brings up "G" AKA "CAPNCRUNCH" AKA ...? I always thought that HE was a paid agent. Not that he was paid to be here specifically, but he posted like some kind of internet influencer or advertizer, always triangulating his position so he could pretend to be reasonable but lying whenever he thought he could get away with it. HE left after Biden was "elected", saying "My work here is done"

Quote:

IDK why the left had a hate-on for Auraptor, he always seemed unobjectionable to me. But I'll admit that they did.
AURAPTOR was the very first person I ever met online who was in the throes of a full-on delusion who wasn't at the same time mentally unstable. He was CONVINCED that Saddam and WMD. And when you run across someone who otherwise seems mentally competent but believes in complete rubbish, the temptation is to try and argue them out of it.

I recall going thru endless discussions with him about:

UN law. He kept insisting that one UN Resolution referred to another earlier one which gave us the greenlight to invade.I went thru UN resolutions with him, citing UN procedure that said that resolutions supersede each other. I posted three examples of UN Resolutions that really DID authorize use of force etc and that it was nothing like what he believed.

I also went thru with him about how the remnants of 1983 weapons found by GWB's inspection teams were meaningless bc at the time I was heading a small military-funded project for chemical weapons detection in civilian setting and I had to look them up: except for mustard gas and anthrax spores, they all degrade pretty quickly.

I recall him then shifting his argument to say that Saddam COULD HAVE tranported his weapons to Syria. Well, there was absolutely no evidence for that, and that Saddam had no reasons whatsoever to trust Assad with his weapons, so that didn't make sense either.

Basically, he was a Limbaugh dittohead. He had an unshakeable belief in anything Rush said. I didn't know at the time that people could be that delusional and otherwise functional. I didn't realize that there were the political equivalents of flat-earthers. RAPPY taught me that!

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ChrisIsAll is still hanging around fb. he posts pictures of models of enterprises, etc. Specifically what I remember was his son got type-1 diabetes from the mumps-measels-rubella vaccine,
MMR is not given to 10 y/o https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html#b
irth-15
so either it was another vaccine or not a vaccine at all. I knew a co-worker and a co-worker's son who both developed Type I diabetes at about 10-12 y/o, and a female co-worker who developed Type I diabetes during pregnancy. Maybe it's just something about the maturing immune system? I don't know, but I don't recall CHRISISALL EVER posting about vaccines. But then, I wasn't tracking everyone's posts about everything.


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and posting "vaccines are bad" as a liberal was not allowed in the political climate of the board and he left shortly after that because he was feeling more generally not welcome. To be fair to him, it's a fatal condition and the boy was 10.

Mal, Wish, and some others came in non-argumentative and became argumentative because the place was toxic and we were all part of that problem. Specifically re:citizen I was that problem, because he would troll every post I made, and I was unable to let it go, so I let him have it



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Monday, August 16, 2021 9:14 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
ChrisIsAll is still hanging around fb. he posts pictures of models of enterprises, etc. Specifically what I remember was his son got type-1 diabetes from the mumps-measles-rubella vaccine, and posting "vaccines are bad" as a liberal was not allowed in the political climate of the board and he left shortly after that because he was feeling more generally not welcome. To be fair to him, it's a fatal condition and the boy was 10.

I'm pretty sure somebody is very confused about vaccines. It is NOT, repeat NOT, the vaccine that causes diabetes but rather catching mumps-measles-rubella causes diabetes:
https://www.google.com/search?q=type-1+diabetes+from+the+mumps-measles
-rubella+vaccine


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, August 16, 2021 10:05 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I know many people who were/ are Type 1 diabetics. and its true that without treatment it's fatal. But that was back in the stone age before glucose monitoring and insulin injections.

Injections were historically more advanced than testing technology. One particular person I know (and dated) was Type 1 65 years ago at the age of 7. Testing involved boiling a measured amount of test fluid (urine) in Fehling's solution and checking the color to see how much glucose was there. I dated him when he was obviously much older than 7 so it's obvious he survived his 'fatal' disease well beyond childhood, even back then, with such primitive technology. Anyway, urine test strips were sold as early as 1964, and blood testing technology has advanced by light years since then. So much so that microneedles in a patch are now the business end of continuous glucose monitoring that doesn't require any blood-draw (fingersticks) at all.


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Monday, August 16, 2021 10:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
And when I say "a lot of sockpuppets" I mean she had "a LOT of sockpuppets"
Thus making it exceedingly difficult to dig up. I'd have to read every post from 2005 to 2010. Anyway, google is useless in this regard. I admit, it stuck in my head because it was an unusual phrase. But also to be fair, it was probably the one used against you, because it probably started over abortion. Seems like the sort of thing an anti-abortion person would be more likely to say. And all the rivers were right wing, sockpuppet and otherwise.



Might have been riverlove now that i think of it. I thought she was a sockpuppet of river6213 at some point. but there were a lot of other sockpuppets, anyway, she probably called you a DLC I just remember that phrase, my point was in the email to Six I said that you were off your rocker by the relentlessness with which you persisted in the flame war long after you had clearly broken the other person in the flame war. that was why i said you were off your rocker. And yes, people left the site because of stuff like this. I think it was a fair assessment, but sorry for the miscrediting of the DLC comment.



Just because Google says it isn't there doesn't mean anything anymore.

Google search results are highly manipulated at this point, mostly to influence people's
behavior by pointing them to articles that they deem appropriate to read on any given topic.
This is unfortunate, since Google by far has the most robust of all of the search engines out
there today.

I'd suggest trying a few other search engines if Google doesn't give you the results you're
looking for.

It's hard to tell that Google does this when you're looking for mainstream things because any
website you go to will have tons of hits to sift through. It becomes much more apparent that
not all search engines are created equally when you're coming up with only a handful of hits for
a search and two different engines will have two very different handfuls of links for you.

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