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The Pax is in the Vax

POSTED BY: DREAMTROVE
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Monday, August 9, 2021 8:07 AM

DREAMTROVE


Covid failed to be contagious as a bioweapon, so the real pax is in the vax. They had to spread it manually, by injecting everyone. Anyone can look through the biochem of the vax and see this, it's obvious, it's not at all subtle. If someone fails to see it, either they're completely ignorant about genetic engineering, or they're lying, and they're part of the problem.

Mostly, the "vax effort" is 99% well meaning well educated people who just do not have the survival instincts that god gave a mouse, and probably never even analyze the chemistry that went into the bioweapon plague they're disseminating. They just figure "The Experts" have done "their job."

It's just that the experts in this case are bioterrorists working for wealthy elites who have been saying for years that the earth's population needs to be reduced to 400 million (144,000 true chosen whites and 2700 black slaves for each = 400 million, straight from the kabbalah) <-- remember your leaders are total fucking loons.

So it's a mass extermination plan of all non-africans, and we're morons and are enacting it. We're the guy in the last level of Demolition Master who carries out the alien instructions to destroy the Earth, without ever looking at the big picture or the fine details.

I'm in zero doubt about any of these details that I just posted and can back them up with a hundred walls of Pirate News data. That would however not convince anyone.


I realize looking at this forum that there are people here who have been posting "no, the left are the good guys" for 15 years. I cannot get that back for you. I realize that's a serious level of psychological investment. I was that guy until I was 35.

Let go and wake up. Don't blame yourself. There's still years left. You can escape with the remainder of your life. There's nothing you can do to save the media position. The media is just the mouthpiece of a handful of billionaires who think they're a different species than you (they do think this) and just released a bioweapon that will destroy the world.


Just think about it this way. You're still alive. There are years ahead. You can help save the human race from extinction, or, if you don't, no race or species that comes after will remember or record anything that you ever did.

This doesn't end in a debate or a reconciliation or a glorious new society, it ends in total war. It ends in a total war so bad that even if the beast loses the war, the landscape will look like a far gone dystopian sci-fi because of the weapons someone felt necessary to employ to defeat them. (and if the beast wins, everyone dies)

So, people who want to deal with the Alliance and the Pax can start thinking about ways to cure this bioweapon and stop the beast, there's time to do that.

I didn't come by after not being here for ten years to debate this. I came to see if there was anyone here who wanted to live.

I've long since forgotten how to do all of Haken's little encoded message things. Maybe posting an image URL will work



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Monday, August 9, 2021 8:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So... uh... Don't get vaccinated, right?



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Monday, August 9, 2021 8:53 AM

DREAMTROVE


These bioweapons will need a cure. Rev 16 details 7 plagues, and these guys do everything by the book, so everyone who submits themselves will be given seven plagues, and plenty of people who are just close enough to them.

The closest I can come to it, I think these will be covid, sterility vax, hemorrhage, fever, MS, dehydration and small pox. This doesn't mean they will all be vaxes, though I'm sure some will be. The small pox I can see them doing as ISIS bioterrorism.

For people who got the vax, they're going to need the cure a lot sooner than the rest of us. I've been noticing the really impressively rapid health decline of some of the vaccinated, who will pretty clearly not live out the year, and then most will likely like 5-10 years but not longer than that if there isn't a cure.

Bill Gates and his WEF cohorts are not fucking around, they intend this to kill 90% of the planet. If you're not fighting that, you should seriously examine some life choices.

Or, put another way. Remember Firesit? a TV show about a bunch of people who sat in a saloon on Persephone and watched everyone get exterminated, tipped back the occasional glass and said "yer, someone really oughtta do something about that"

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Monday, August 9, 2021 9:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You'll have to forgive my unwillingness to get on board with full-on Looney Tunes.

Sure. There is a chance that everything you're saying is true. There's also a chance that they release Covid-20 and it has a 100% death rate for everybody who chose not to get a vaccination too.

I figure I'm rolling the dice either way.

But right now, I still have a choice. If you believe the Legacy Media, more than 70% of Americans over 16 no longer have that choice... And they're also working on taking that choice away from those under 16 as we speak.


I sure hope nothing like that is going on. They're not going to want to see what they turned me into when I focus my guilt for not trying to prevent people I cared about from getting the vaccine directly onto them.


As a booze survivor who didn't need any self-help programs to get there, I've become quite adept at turning negative energy into something more productive.




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Monday, August 9, 2021 10:34 AM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

These bioweapons will need a cure. Rev 16 details 7 plagues, and these guys do everything by the book, so everyone who submits themselves will be given seven plagues, and plenty of people who are just close enough to them.

The closest I can come to it, I think these will be covid, sterility vax, hemorrhage, fever, MS, dehydration and small pox. This doesn't mean they will all be vaxes, though I'm sure some will be. The small pox I can see them doing as ISIS bioterrorism.

For people who got the vax, they're going to need the cure a lot sooner than the rest of us. I've been noticing the really impressively rapid health decline of some of the vaccinated, who will pretty clearly not live out the year, and then most will likely like 5-10 years but not longer than that if there isn't a cure.

Bill Gates and his WEF cohorts are not fucking around, they intend this to kill 90% of the planet. If you're not fighting that, you should seriously examine some life choices.

Or, put another way. Remember Firesit? a TV show about a bunch of people who sat in a saloon on Persephone and watched everyone get exterminated, tipped back the occasional glass and said "yer, someone really oughtta do something about that"


Holy fuck comrade Kiki. Do you really believe no one here knows Dreamtrove is you? Do you really believe your schizophrenic identities won't expose you and all your posts to the fact you are wacko? Get back on your meds.


T


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Monday, August 9, 2021 11:43 AM

DREAMTROVE


THUGGR

I'm only disappointed that everyone thinks I'm 1kiki. srsly? (no offense to 1kiki) Just I would have thought I'd be Auraptor's sockpuppet

So, I'm not been here in ten years for a reason. It's the left and right arguing constantly and not moving. But I am also here for a reason. This is where everyone dies, because the Alliance has released the Pax. And the Pax is in the Vax

you missed the mark here. I'm actually dreamtrove. I posted as sockpuppet, so?


Six,

the crazy is the buying the narrative. There's no covid epidemic, there are death camps masquerading as hospitals. If you get the flu and don't get the covid treatment, you survive. You only died if you get the treatment, you only get the "covid positive" test if you go to the camps.

I think covid19 was probably intended as a bioweapon, but it fizzled, like SARS and MERS and Ebola, and remember, I had ebola. It was really bad. But it didn't kill 100 million americans as predicted by the media. The media is lying all of the time. That's the most obvious part of the whole puzzle. Once you get that, do your own research.

I'm basically 100% sure that from the 2019 "event 201" Bill Gates and his Bilderbuddies has been planning this mass sterilization depopulation, and all the science lines up. You're in a biowar, and you're not the attacker or the defender, you're the bystander.

The heading of this thread just tells it like it is, The Pax is in the Vax. This is why they are pushing so fucking hard for everyone to get it. It's the same fucking people. Bill Gates and his dad were there in 1980 with Tony Fauci when Fauci forged the AIDS "discovery" that he later admitted forging in the 1990s, but back in the 80s they were all telling us "don't worry about it." Because it was their bioweapon, just get the bioweapon guys.

Now it's "Papers Please. Vee need to know that you hast zee vaxxxxeen, Ja." And all the good jews are lining up for their prime spot in the camps.

How hard the media pushes. How much they silence debate. All the "fact check" denial of obvious objective reality.






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Monday, August 9, 2021 12:08 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
These bioweapons will need a cure. Rev 16 details 7 plagues, and these guys do everything by the book, so everyone who submits themselves will be given seven plagues, and plenty of people who are just close enough to them.
Do you mean Revelation 16?

Here is the New International Version
The Seven Bowls of God’s Wrath
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2016&versi
on=NIV

16 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.”

2 The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

3 The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died.

4 The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood.

5 Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:

“You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
you who are and who were;

6 for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets,
and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.”

7 And I heard the altar respond:

“Yes, Lord God Almighty,
true and just are your judgments.”

8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

10 The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony 11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, August 9, 2021 12:10 PM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
THUGGR

I'm only disappointed that everyone thinks I'm 1kiki. srsly? (no offense to 1kiki) Just I would have thought I'd be Auraptor's sockpuppet

So, I'm not been here in ten years for a reason. It's the left and right arguing constantly and not moving. But I am also here for a reason. This is where everyone dies, because the Alliance has released the Pax. And the Pax is in the Vax

you missed the mark here. I'm actually dreamtrove. I posted as sockpuppet, so?


You've posted as both which means you post here under at least 3 alias. Why, because you post taking every side of an issue comrade troll. Comrade troll being the most accurate label for you.

April, 2017

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61593

Another, March 2017

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=11&tid=56585&mid=1
025299#1025299

T


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Monday, August 9, 2021 12:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:
]Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
The closest I can come to it, I think these will be covid, sterility vax, hemorrhage, fever, MS, dehydration and small pox.
If I understand you, COVID is one of their plagues - right?
Quote:
For people who got the vax, they're going to need the cure a lot sooner than the rest of us. I've been noticing the really impressively rapid health decline of some of the vaccinated, who will pretty clearly not live out the year, and then most will likely like 5-10 years but not longer than that if there isn't a cure.

Bill Gates and his WEF cohorts are not fucking around, they intend this to kill 90% of the planet. If you're not fighting that, you should seriously examine some life choices.
As you've said
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there's a lot of chemistry behind it, which I can spam post if you want ... I've heard their story.
I'd be really curious as to the chemistry you know about it. Well, them actually, since there's more than 1 vax and more than 1 technology. If you could fill in the details, along with the specific maladies you predict from the various vaxes I'd be happy to read it!

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Monday, August 9, 2021 1:28 PM

DREAMTROVE


thank you for the reminder

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

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Monday, August 9, 2021 1:39 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

If I understand you, COVID is one of their plagues - right?
Quote:


Rev. 15-16

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I'd be really curious as to the chemistry you know about it. Well, them actually, since there's more than 1 vax and more than 1 technology. If you could fill in the details, along with the specific maladies you predict from the various vaxes I'd be happy to read it!


All the current vaccines are predicated on the idea that we have isolatied a coronavirus that has a spike protein, and that immunoregulators can be used to produce an immune response to that spike protein.

The spike protein included in these vaccines is an analogue of Syncytin-1, an enzyme we inherited from old world monkeys that they inherited from a retrovirus HERV W. The enzyme is responsible for supplying hydrocarbon chains to all rapid polymerization and hypermethylization in rapid human cell proliferation, including embryonic development, healing and immune response. An immunity to Syncytin-1 would not just sterilize a human, it would reduce their life expectancy to an average of 10 years or so, similar to being injected with HIV.

Ergo, getting the vax is roughly equivalent to injecting yourself with HIV. People do it because peer pressure and authority. So, I aim to misbehave.

If you want I can send you some more detailed research on this.

My speculation on future bioweapons is speculation. But these guys have been talking about radical population reduction since forever

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Monday, August 9, 2021 1:51 PM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
thank you for the reminder

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.


I've made my point and exposed you as being a liar and troll. Now I'll ignore you because I have no intent to bandy crooked words with a witless worm.

T


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Monday, August 9, 2021 2:05 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

An immunity to Syncytin-1 would not just sterilize a human, it would reduce their life expectancy to an average of 10 years or so, similar to being injected with HIV.

Ergo, getting the vax is roughly equivalent to injecting yourself with HIV.

My speculation on future bioweapons is speculation. But these guys have been talking about radical population reduction since forever
I assume you did not receive word:

Fact check: A false post on social media claims COVID-19 vaccine causes infertility in women
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/14/fact-check-no
-evidence-covid-19-vaccine-causes-infertility-women/3884328001/

No evidence that COVID-19 vaccine results in sterilization
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9856420671

Presumably, when the sterilization turned out to be false, the trolls decided to take it to the next level higher: vaccination with HIV. That is also false.

I wonder what the trolls will do next? I assume there is no upper limit to how stupid the trolling can get about vaccinations: "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- A. Einstein
https://www.inc.com/kevin-daum/26-genius-quotes-from-albert-einstein-t
hat-will-make-you-sound-smarter.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, August 9, 2021 2:27 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Fact check: A false post on social media claims COVID-19 vaccine causes infertility in women
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/14/fact-check-no
-evidence-covid-19-vaccine-causes-infertility-women/3884328001/

No evidence that COVID-19 vaccine results in sterilization
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9856420671

Presumably, when the sterilization turned out to be false, the trolls decided to take it to the next level higher: vaccination with HIV. That is also false.


I got there through actual science. Believe me, it's real. Your lack of knowledge of biochemistry will not keep you from dying of bioweapons.

"Media says is false" does not equal "turned out to be false." It turned out to be true. Why are we still talking about what's already been decided?


THG

you need me to break that down into words of one syllable for ya?

seriously there's no reason to be hostile, it's unbecoming.
I thought you just saved your hate for the Not-sees

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Monday, August 9, 2021 3:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If I understand you, COVID is one of their plagues - right?
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Rev. 15-16
Quote:
I'd be really curious as to the chemistry you know about it. Well, them actually, since there's more than 1 vax and more than 1 technology. If you could fill in the details, along with the specific maladies you predict from the various vaxes I'd be happy to read it!
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
All the current vaccines are predicated on the idea that we have isolated a coronavirus that has a spike protein, and that immunoregulators can be used to produce an immune response to that spike protein.
The spike protein included in these vaccines is an analogue of Syncytin-1, an enzyme we inherited from old world monkeys that they inherited from a retrovirus HERV W. The enzyme is responsible for supplying hydrocarbon chains to all rapid polymerization and hypermethylization in rapid human cell proliferation, including embryonic development, healing and immune response. An immunity to Syncytin-1 would not just sterilize a human, it would reduce their life expectancy to an average of 10 years or so, similar to being injected with HIV.
Ergo, getting the vax is roughly equivalent to injecting yourself with HIV. People do it because peer pressure and authority. So, I aim to misbehave.
If you want I can send you some more detailed research on this.
Yes, I'd like that. You've certainly've given me something to dig into, but I'd appreciate whatever else you have.
Quote:
My speculation on future bioweapons is speculation. But these guys have been talking about radical population reduction since forever
Yes, they have. Because they think they're somehow immune to things like viruses and radiation that the rest of humanity is vulnerable to.

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Monday, August 9, 2021 9:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Honestly, I have no fucking idea what's happening here right now.

Until Dreamtrove said that they haven't been here in 10 years, I was also in agreement with Ted that I was talking to Kiki's sockpuppet.

All I know is that I was talking to DT a few years ago and rather enjoying our conversations and that was not 10 years ago.



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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:02 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Yes, they have. Because they think they're somehow immune to things like viruses and radiation that the rest of humanity is vulnerable to.


I'll try to post some spam tomorrow.

But yeah, they're not scientists, the illumnati elites, not one science degree between them outside of psychology, and they use that to manipulate smarter people into solving their scientific problems, but what it means is that they think that vaccines and cures are like in video games, they don't realize these are just vague concepts that don't really apply 100% in reality, and lately they apply about 20%

hardly enough to save them


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Honestly, I have no fucking idea what's happening here right now.

Until Dreamtrove said that they haven't been here in 10 years, I was also in agreement with Ted that I was talking to Kiki's sockpuppet.

All I know is that I was talking to DT a few years ago and rather enjoying our conversations and that was not 10 years ago.



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I'm not 1kiki's sockpuppet, I don't think I've ever been called that before, but I've been called a lot of people's sockpuppet at various times. Aside from possiblly being SignyM's sockpuppet, wouldn't that make them my sockpuppets, since this account is way older?

I was here for a few months in 2017, as THUGGR (if I have that right) reminded me, and a few months in 2013. My sister was diagnosed with cancer in december of 2010, which took me away from FFF for a few months, and in those few months there was a massive fight and the lions share of everyone rage quit. I remember several people telling me about it, and going through old messages trying to figure out what happened. That said, the non-RWED part of the site had become like a ghost town.

It was around that time, a few people had introduced me to bitcoin. Someone had posted a link here, a wall st friend of mine had sent me a link, and I met some bitcoin devs at occupy wall st in NYC. This pushed me to a few bitcoin forums like bitcointalk, the reddits, IRC channel and more importantly the russian BTC-e trollbox, the first real solid altcoin community.

CANTTAKESKY had said to me "DT, keep looking, and you will find your people" and I thought I'd probably found my people there. I am still in touch with many of them, though that community crumbled in 2017. I've been mostly in Bitcoin Cash since then.

Sometimes I come back here, but it's too toxic. The auto-attack and denial of everything, it's like stepping out of plato's cave and then coming back in and seeing everyone still staring at the wall, no offense, just get out more.

The other things occupying my time involved a lot of sickness and death. I stayed at my sister's and tried to help her beat cancer, which was going okay until the medical establishment kicked her off of all treatments at all hospitals, and we couldn't get around it. Some obamacare nonsense.

Anyway, when she died, I came back here, and several people trolled me and said it was a scam, and I got actually upset and quit.

I didn't actually come back in 2017 because the bitcoin closures, I'd have to check dates and I don't care enough to dig through all that. But it was because of HKCavalier, who was writing a book, which was quite good, and we were sharing stories, so I came back to see if anyone else was still writing.

Then both my gf/commonlaw wife and my mom got sick and I had to spend more time trying to save people and failing, which has led to an every increasingly negative view of the medical establishment, authority, and the general state of the nation.

I think that more than anything else, we live in Caligula's Rome. If Jeff Bezos marries his horse, George Soros starts performing live human sacrifice and Bill Gates poisons the public water supply and Tim Cook rides around in a sedan chair carried by slaves and Elon Musk burns down half a city while Grimes plays the fiddle, I'll be surprised, but not suddenly feel like I've been had. It's about where we are.

So I'm back now to see if anyone is up for surviving or has good info on the disaster.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
KIKI: Yes, they have. Because they think they're somehow immune to things like viruses and radiation that the rest of humanity is vulnerable to

DT:I'll try to post some spam tomorrow.

But yeah, they're not scientists, the illumnati elites, not one science degree between them outside of psychology, and they use that to manipulate smarter people into solving their scientific problems, but what it means is that they think that vaccines and cures are like in video games, they don't realize these are just vague concepts that don't really apply 100% in reality, and lately they apply about 20%

hardly enough to save them


6IXSTRINGJACK:
Honestly, I have no fucking idea what's happening here right now.

Until Dreamtrove said that they haven't been here in 10 years, I was also in agreement with Ted that I was talking to Kiki's sockpuppet.

All I know is that I was talking to DT a few years ago and rather enjoying our conversations and that was not 10 years ago.

DT: I'm not 1kiki's sockpuppet,
I can't imagine anyone thinking that you are. You have a unique perspective that I can't imagine anyone fabricating

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I don't think I've ever been called that before, but I've been called a lot of people's sockpuppet at various times. Aside from possiblly being SignyM's sockpuppet, wouldn't that make them my sockpuppets, since this account is way older?

I was here for a few months in 2017, as THUGGR (if I have that right) reminded me, and a few months in 2013. My sister was diagnosed with cancer in december of 2010, which took me away from FFF for a few months, and in those few months there was a massive fight and the lions share of everyone rage quit.
I don't recall any giant fights around that time. At some point I might go back into the archives and see if I can find it. But that would be abut 2 years into Obama's tenure, and if he was coming under criticism then maybe some people got pissed about that?

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I remember several people telling me about it, and going through old messages trying to figure out what happened. That said, the non-RWED part of the site had become like a ghost town.

It was around that time, a few people had introduced me to bitcoin. Someone had posted a link here, a wall st friend of mine had sent me a link, and I met some bitcoin devs at occupy wall st in NYC. This pushed me to a few bitcoin forums like bitcointalk, the reddits, IRC channel and more importantly the russian BTC-e trollbox, the first real solid altcoin community.

CANTTAKESKY had said to me "DT, keep looking, and you will find your people" and I thought I'd probably found my people there. I am still in touch with many of them, though that community crumbled in 2017. I've been mostly in Bitcoin Cash since then.

Sometimes I come back here, but it's too toxic. The auto-attack and denial of everything, it's like stepping out of plato's cave and then coming back in and seeing everyone still staring at the wall, no offense, just get out more.
We DO chat about our everyday things. Some of us, anyway.

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The other things occupying my time involved a lot of sickness and death. I stayed at my sister's and tried to help her beat cancer, which was going okay until the medical establishment kicked her off of all treatments at all hospitals, and we couldn't get around it. Some obamacare nonsense.

Anyway, when she died, I came back here, and several people trolled me and said it was a scam, and I got actually upset and quit.
What did people think was a scam? That you had a sister who was sick?

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I didn't actually come back in 2017 because the bitcoin closures, I'd have to check dates and I don't care enough to dig through all that. But it was because of HKCavalier, who was writing a book, which was quite good, and we were sharing stories, so I came back to see if anyone else was still writing.

Then both my gf/commonlaw wife and my mom got sick and I had to spend more time trying to save people and failing, which has led to an every increasingly negative view of the medical establishment, authority, and the general state of the nation.
At one point over a few years hubby had cancer, my MIL was dying of cancer and heart failure, and our daughter was spiralling into dementia. It's extremely painful to watch someone you love fade away. It really, really sucks. You have my sympathy.

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I think that more than anything else, we live in Caligula's Rome. If Jeff Bezos marries his horse, George Soros starts performing live human sacrifice and Bill Gates poisons the public water supply and Tim Cook rides around in a sedan chair carried by slaves and Elon Musk burns down half a city while Grimes plays the fiddle, I'll be surprised, but not suddenly feel like I've been had. It's about where we are.

So I'm back now to see if anyone is up for surviving or has good info on the disaster.
SIX: You should dig up your description of Rumsfelds's funeral, if you can find it. It's quite vivid and complements this.

I keep trying to see thru the mist where the next disaster is coming from. It's tough because there are so many ways we've fucked ourselves and, of course, TPTB and the media do their best to keep everything shrouded in thick, thick fog.

I kind of flattened out the quotes bc the formatting was too confusing and in the process I removed the greenies. Sorry. Sorry for the typos, in a hurry.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:11 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



DT, I didn't realize how bad your situation was while you were away. I'm sorry for brushing past it the way I did. I too have had people I loved lost to what in retrospect was irreversible illness. (But one never knows going into these situations. Will they recover? Or is this their last crisis?) I've seen friends and co-workers go through the same thing. And while I'm not you and I can't truly understand what you went through, I know that if you're any kind of normal human it's very difficult and painful. I can only sympathize.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:41 AM

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I got there through actual science. Believe me, it's real. Your lack of knowledge of biochemistry will not keep you from dying of bioweapons.

"Media says is false" does not equal "turned out to be false." It turned out to be true. Why are we still talking about what's already been decided?
Have you noticed that the people who say "believe me" are the least believable? And there is already a well known bio-weapon called senescence that kills. Have compassion for all who aged and who faced death before they were ready -- although, if we were not forced to go until we were ready, the world would be mountain-deep with the ill-prepared.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 7:31 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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The spike protein included in these vaccines is an analogue of syncytin-1 ...
There would be an extremely easy test for that. Harvest a broadly representative set of antibodies to spike protein, mix them with syncytin-1, and look to see if they bind together. There are all sorts of well-known detection techniques for that.

I've done a quick look-through to see if spike protein and syncytin-1 cross-react immunologically.

And while no one has done what I've outlined that I could find, there have been other studies done that indicate cross-reaction doesn't happen.

One of the other things ppl could also do is to study the amino acid sequence of both proteins to look for areas that resemble each other. Though that doesn't mean that they'll cross react - or that they won't. A raw 2-dimension AA sequence is meaningless where it counts immunologically - in 3 dimensions. As proteins are spooled off of ribosomes, they have 'helper' proteins that fold them into their correct shape. And once all the 3-D folding is done, 2-D protein strands that may resemble each other linearly may not resemble each other at all in 3-D. But fortunately there 's software that can help uncover how proteins are folded as they come off of the ribosomses.

Anyway, I'll keep looking a bit longer. It's an intriguing idea.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:06 AM

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I can't imagine anyone thinking that you are. You have a unique perspective that I can't imagine anyone fabricating


Thanks. CTS could probably do it.

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I don't recall any giant fights around that time. At some point I might go back into the archives and see if I can find it. But that would be abut 2 years into Obama's tenure, and if he was coming under criticism then maybe some people got pissed about that?


It wasn't political, I think, but i wasn't here for it. It would be around that time, just a massive walkout. It might have been hard to notice with walls of spam.

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We DO chat about our everyday things. Some of us, anyway.
What did people think was a scam? That you had a sister who was sick?
Yeah, I wasn't up for it. So I left again

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You should be less dismissive, since you are part of the everyone that is might die of this thing. If I were you I'd be far more concerned with the effects of what engineered viruses some billionaire might have written into my DNA to get me out of the way, and what I could do about it, and less who was wrong on the internet.

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There would be an extremely easy test for that. Harvest a broadly representative set of antibodies to spike protein, mix them with syncytin-1, and look to see if they bind together. There are all sorts of well-known detection techniques for that.


Yes, but someone honest would have to do it.

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I've done a quick look-through to see if spike protein and syncytin-1 cross-react immunologically.


Science has huge holes in it and this is one of them. In science you have to test for something, and worse yet, you have to rely on someone else usually to do it, and then you have to rely on them to tell you the truth. That last step is an almost guaranteed fail point

The fact check deniers say it doesn't, but I already know that it does, because logically it has to. The vaccinated shed 2-nonenal which they wouldn't do without the syncytin void, it's a common syndrome that Second alluded to, old people have the same problem. Checmically, being vaxed and being old will have the same result. I would not be in the least surprised if in five to ten years, a college student who got the vax will not be distinguishable from an octogenarian, even externally.

When you can logically deduce that the sky is blue, and there are no holes in the logic, then the scientific report that the sky is red is most likely useless and probably maliciously attempting to misinform. Unless you can do that test yourself.

There is an overlap on the molecules and detractors argue that it is small, some skeptics called it "functionally identical" which seems more likely to me, but at any rate, it does happen. It's worth also noting that syncytin is a huge molecule. Less easy to do this sort of analysis conclusively




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DT, I didn't realize how bad your situation was while you were away. I'm sorry for brushing past it the way I did. I too have had people I loved lost to what in retrospect was irreversible illness. (But one never knows going into these situations. Will they recover? Or is this their last crisis?) I've seen friends and co-workers go through the same thing. And while I'm not you and I can't truly understand what you went through, I know that if you're any kind of normal human it's very difficult and painful. I can only sympathize.


Virtually everyone I knew in 2011 when I left is now dead. There is no one alive now who remembers any significant portion of my life, and my memory has been repeatedly impaired by illness and bad medicine, so I have fragments of awareness of things that have basically unhappened. Instead of everything all of those people achieved in their lifetimes we have some elite billionaire nazi genocide with a sick level of intentionally humiliating degeneracy.


Basically, 1kiki, that test is the thing I think needs to be done right now. I had the same idea for a test, and another one could probably be developed as a sweat litmus test for the 2-nonenal. While old people would give off 2-nonenal, they'd give off a lot less of it. But the blood test would be the definitive.


then we could also find out what % of the vaxed are sterile, and what % of the so called delta variant, which I'm increasingly becoming convinced is a secondary shedding of the adenovirus involved in the vaccines (there appears to always be one, but in pfizer and moderna it's severely modified, in the janssen, sinovac and sputnik it's just straight up)

Anyway, I had this one, (delta) and i'm worried that I was hit with a sterilizing bioweapon. My dad and his mom were oven dodgers* and the only survivors of that line besides me are already vaxed, so that finishes the job if its true and I can't fix it.

* thanks to Mel Gibson for this piece of political correctness, he used it on Winona Ryder, I read her mentioning it somewhere recently when trying to figure out why the media hated her (she wouldn't sleep with Harvey Weinstein is my top theory atm) I've also noticed that they now hate Joss Whedon with a similar passion. Maybe he wouldn't sleep with Harvey Weinstein either.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:23 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

I've done a quick look-through to see if spike protein and syncytin-1 cross-react immunologically.


Science has huge holes in it and this is one of them. In science you have to test for something, and worse yet, you have to rely on someone else usually to do it, and then you have to rely on them to tell you the truth. That last step is an almost guaranteed fail point

The fact check deniers say it doesn't, but I already know that it does, because logically it has to. . . .

Virtually everyone I knew in 2011 when I left is now dead. There is no one alive now who remembers any significant portion of my life, and my memory has been repeatedly impaired by illness and bad medicine, so I have fragments of awareness of things that have basically unhappened. Instead of everything all of those people achieved in their lifetimes we have some elite billionaire nazi genocide with a sick level of intentionally humiliating degeneracy.
DreamTrove, you are trolling. Why 1kiki pretends otherwise is because 1kiki is also a troll.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:34 AM

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DreamTrove, you are trolling. Why 1kiki pretends otherwise is because 1kiki is also a troll.


No, I'm not. There's actually a genocide, and you're getting genocided. Stop worrying about your ego and that it might hurt your pride that someone is telling you that you're wrong on the internet, and pay actual attention to what they're saying and take it seriously.

A handful of a couple dozen globalist billionaires bought the entire media over the last decade, and now they are trying to literally depopulate the planet and have it just for themselves and their slaves. Every single mainstream media outlet now belongs to them, so that is who you are now trusting when you trust your news.

Take this death serum. Oops, I mean not death serum, take this medicine. It will help you. I also agree it will help you, and it was said by me also.



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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:45 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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Originally posted by second:

DreamTrove, you are trolling. Why 1kiki pretends otherwise is because 1kiki is also a troll.


No, I'm not. There's actually a genocide, and you're getting genocided. Stop worrying about your ego and that it might hurt your pride that someone is telling you that you're wrong on the internet, and pay actual attention to what they're saying and take it seriously.

A handful of a couple dozen globalist billionaires bought the entire media over the last decade, and now they are trying to literally depopulate the planet and have it just for themselves and their slaves. Every single mainstream media outlet now belongs to them, so that is who you are now trusting when you trust your news.

Take this death serum. Oops, I mean not death serum, take this medicine. It will help you. I also agree it will help you, and it was said by me also.
People tell me I am wrong, people who I know are crazy and live stupidly. Only when somebody I know tells me I am wrong and they are smart and sane, will I listen. That policy of mine has never failed. Nobody crazy has ever told me anything worth knowing, although statistically they should be right once in awhile. I don't know how they manage to be always wrong, but they do manage being irrelevant. (If the crazies would tell me how they consistently do it, I would listen to their secret mental process, which is amazing and amusing . . . )

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


DT, have you ever thought to keep a diary, to keep your memories for you? Or, ir you're visually-oriented and want objective evidence as well as your own thoughts, take lots of pictures? Electrons are cheap, and they store pretty well.

Just a thought.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There are a coupke of big flies in the "sterilizing vaccine" theory

The first is that the Israeli government - not exactly self-extinguishing globalists who want to reduce Jewish population - oversaw the massive vaccination of a large portion of Israeli Jews. You COULD say the same for Iceland, for example, which has no national interest in reducing its population.

Personal; eperience. My niece, an ER doctor, got vaccinated when she was pregnant and delivered a healthy 8-lb girl. There are prolly plenty of pregnant women who've been vaccinated by now, not heard of any reports of spontaeous abortions/miscarriages.

*****

I've heard this sterilizing-vaccine story before, which may have actually been true, specifically regarding Bill Gates' "flu" vaccine tests in the Philippines. But atho the stories contained details about specific spontaneous abortions, there was no data presented and no biochemical mechanism showing HOW this could be true.

For example, it would be possible to sequence the genomic fragments in the vaccine and compare them to the sequence which produces syncretin. Or, as KIKI said, look for cross-reactions. But without any kind of systematically-collected data and/or mechanism of action, the story has stayed in my "interesting if true" warehouse. I haven't dismissed it ... I've kept it in mind for over 20 years ... but I haven't accepted it either.

(Also, his polio vaccine in India seems to cause a large number of non-polio flaccid paralysis cases. That story seems to be more well-founded.)

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:27 AM

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There are a coupke of big flies in the "sterilizing vaccine" theory

The first is that the Israeli government - not exactly self-extinguishing globalists who want to reduce Jewish population - oversaw the massive vaccination of a large portion of Israeli Jews. You COULD say the same for Iceland, for example, which has no national interest in reducing its population.

Personal; eperience. My niece, an ER doctor, got vaccinated when she was pregnant and delivered a healthy 8-lb girl. There are prolly plenty of pregnant women who've been vaccinated by now, not heard of any reports of spontaeous abortions/miscarriages.
DreamTrove has not shot down your argument, but I will do it for DT: the vax was craftily designed for a long time delay between injection and genocide, tricking even the Israelis. Alternatively, the vaccine in Israel is not exactly the same as the genocidal version of the same vaccine because the Jews intend to control the world after the Vax Holocaust. See how easy it is to explain that vax == genocide ?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:08 AM

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I am wrong,

Second, it does not matter who points out that I am wrong. It makes no difference. It only matters that I am wrong. When I find this out, I correct the wrong and become no longer wrong

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:20 AM

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There are a couple of big flies in the "sterilizing vaccine" theory


Meh. There are a lot of ways to shoot this down without resorting to Second's "they're not shooting at us" theory, which is useless for her in that it only kills Second.

1) The israelis used their own vaccine, but I don't think it's a jewish conspiracy, I think they also got got. A sterilizing % result for the vax that increses with boosters and delta, lambda etc. can effectively sterilize everyone while holding the idea as a crazy conspiracy theory, and the govts can enforce these vaccinations

2) it's categorically insane to take an organization wun by people who have many times talked about the need to reduce the world population by 95% to allow them access to your blood and DNA.

3) This is Gates' own scam, and he did those third world sterilizations. A friend of mine in pakistan was sterilized by one of his philanthropic efforts. Anyway, Event 201 is the name of Gates' "let's have a fake plague" presentation to the world economic forum.

4) we have the extremely obvious evidence that many of the vaccinated are newly sterile because they lack syncytin by the 2-nonenal discharge. That's not a speculation

5) look at the vaccine. it contains too much nonsense you'd never put in a vaccine.

6) the biggest tip off of all is how hard the NWO is pushing for everyone to get this thing. They don't care about your health, they've been in power at least a century and never cared about it before. They tell us to shut up about nuclear meltdowns, chemical fracking, lyme disease and other bioweapons they made, just constantly never "oh let's help you" it's "oh, crazy conspiracy theorists"

7) I got here from science of just studying the results and reading the actual literature these globalist multinational corporations are putting out. This only takes one genocidal lunatic with access to a printing press of money and a lot of greedy morons willing to do anything for money








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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Whether or not DT is 'trolling' about the vax it's a good excuse to delve into some biochemistry I haven't delved into before. Fortunately for me I can understand the references, pathways, mechanisms etc due to my existing knowledge.


https://www.jbc.org/article/S0021-9258(19)58549-0/fulltext
Lipid Peroxidation Generates Body Odor Component trans-2-Nonenal Covalently Bound to Protein in Vivo*

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X15411984
2-Nonenal Newly Found in Human Body Odor Tends to Increase with Aging
... analysis of skin surface lipids ...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006291X8571213
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Metabolism of 4-Hydroxy-2-nonenal and Aging

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S094096021100043
4
Localization of 4-hydroxy 2-nonenal immunoreactivity in aging human retinal Müller cells

https://academic.oup.com/jnen/article/56/8/866/2610754
4-Hydroxy-2-Nonenal Pyrrole Adducts in Human Neurodegenerative Disease

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S089158491630980
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Role of 4-hydroxy-2-nonenal (HNE) in the pathogenesis of alzheimer disease and other selected age-related neurodegenerative disorders

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014579395000336
The monoclonal antibody specific for the 4-hydroxy-2-nonenal histidine adduct

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016378270300014
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4-Hydroxy-2-nonenal: a product and mediator of oxidative stress



Obviously 2-nonenal and its products after continued metabolism (including adduction to proteins to create an immunogenic structure) are related to aging.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Do you have links, DREAMTROVE? Because as interesting as all of that is, it's just speculation and anecdote without the studies and data to back it up,

I did a quick online search to see what the effects might have been/will be.

The CDC has esablished a registry for women who were immediately pre-pregnant or pregnant at the time of the shot. So far, over 100,000 women have contacted the CDC and over 5,000 are in the study.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vsafepregnan
cyregistry.html
I would like to see the basis for excluding many women from the study.

Covid-19 has been reported as being more dangerous for pregnant women.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/peopl
e-with-medical-conditions.html

Pregnant women have gotten vaccinated with Pfizer with no serious side effects
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/02/17/coronavirus-vaccine-pregnan
cy
This matches my niece's experience


*****

So, about vaccines: It is my understanding that the closer they resemble the infectious agent, the more robust will be the confered immunity.
However, there will also be more side effects.
I get this understanding from the way the pertussis vaccine was handled. The original pertussis vaccine was noted for its higher-than-usual neurological complication rates. I knew a girl in our daughter's special day class whose brain was fried with the vaccine, However, an "acellular" version was later developed which didn't have the high complication rate.

It seems to me that being exposed to the full panoply of SARS-CoV2 nucleotides and proteins would be more dangerous than being vaccinated with a few snippets of the viral RNA. (One of the difference between vaccines is which snippets, and how many, are in each vaccine.)

All of this uproar was caused by a former Pfizer scientist who was initially for vaccination but did a 180 after a year or so, Dr Yeadon. To date, he has not, so far as I can tell, provided a mechanism for how vaccines cause sterility, and as a molecular biologist if anyone is equipped to do so, it would be him.

*****

So AFA the "depopulation agenda"is concerned ... MANY people have commented that overpopulation is our #1 problem. 6IXSTRINGJACK has posted that repeatedly.

There are too many websites under "depopulation agenda" for me to parse thru them. But I have no doubt that some, if not many, of the Davos crowd/uber elite would like to see most of the "useless eaters" die off so that the world will be a nicer place (for them).

And a bioweapon that causes sterility, or a vaccine that does the same ... oh, and kills off useless old farts ... would be the IDEAL way to achieve that goal. But just like the "Saddam has WMD" and "Trump is Putin's puppet", these suspicions must be backed by evidence and overcome some practical hurdles.

For example, there are quite a few nations that DON'T have depopulation as a national goal, and these nations have scientists of their own who would be equipped to detect anything hinky in the vaccine. And at the same time, many of the nations that are populating the fastest (most of Africa, India and the rest of southern Asia, and much of south and central America) are the nations least likely to be able to rollout a widespread vaccination program.

SO, I need to look into this in detail and bird-dog the specifics.



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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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It seems to me that being exposed to the full panoply of SARS-CoV2 nucleotides and proteins would be more dangerous than being vaccinated with a few snippets of the viral RNA.
That's one of the logical inconsistencies of the vaccine-as-depopulation-agent theory. If the spike proteins from the vaccine cross-react with syncytin-1, then so do the spike proteins in the virus. That makes viral infection problematic as well.

When it comes to evidence, multiple studies indicate neither COVID-19 disease nor vaccination interfere with pregnancy. Here's a small sampling from around the globe.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2773105
Pregnancy Outcomes Among Women With and Without Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Infection

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00404-020-05848-0
COVID-19 pandemic effect on early pregnancy: are miscarriage rates altered, in asymptomatic women?

https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(20)31177-7/pdf
Coronavirus disease 2019 and first-trimester spontaneous abortion: a case-control study of 225 pregnant patients



I tracked down the petition filed by Yeadon and Wodarg, and read some of Yeadon's separately-stated concerns.

First, the petition itself acknowledges that there was no indication of cross-reactivity between spike protein antibodies and syncytin-1 as per the AP news article.
Quote:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9856420671
No evidence that COVID-19 vaccine results in sterilization
a petition filed by Yeadon and Wolfgang Wodarg, a German physician, to the European Medicines Agency that demanded that clinical trials of the Pfizer vaccine be stopped in the European Union until more safety and efficacy data can be provided. In the petition, the two acknowledge that there is no indication “whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies.”
But the 'news' is often slanted. And btw a pox on AP for not providing a link to the original petition to check the accuracy of the quote and its meaning in context.
So I separately tracked down the petition - indeed, that's what the petition says, and that what it means in its full context.
link to petition: https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petit
ion_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf

I did read some more about the concerns of Yeadon. He stated a theoretical concern about vaccinating pregnant women, using thalidomide as the model of concern. Until studies were done with pregnant women as test subjects, he cautioned that there might possibly be untoward consequences.

Then that blossomed into a specific focus on syncytin-1, because “the spike protein is faintly similar, not very strongly, but faintly similar to an essential protein in your placenta, something that’s absolutely required for both fertilization and formation, and maintenance of the placenta. So, you can’t get pregnant and have a successful pregnancy if this protein is damaged in any way.”.
When he says 'faintly similar' he means that there are exactly 4 amino acids (2 identical amino acids, one non-identical amino acid, and 2 more identical amino acids in a row) that are shared between the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and syncytin-1. Considering there are 1,273 amino-acids in the spike protein, and the entire protein itself is folded into a particular shape where those 4 amino acids may - or most likely are probably not - exposed on the surface in a similar configuration with other amino acids to syncytin-1 - the chance that there's cross-reactivity is exceedingly low - virtually nonexistent.



But I intend to look further into syncytin-1 itself, because it's a reason to learn something new.


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Whether or not DT is 'trolling' about the vax it's a good excuse to delve into some biochemistry I haven't delved into before. Fortunately for me I can understand the references, pathways, mechanisms etc due to my existing knowledge.


https://www.jbc.org/article/S0021-9258(19)58549-0/fulltext
Lipid Peroxidation Generates Body Odor Component trans-2-Nonenal Covalently Bound to Protein in Vivo*

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X15411984
2-Nonenal Newly Found in Human Body Odor Tends to Increase with Aging
... analysis of skin surface lipids ...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006291X8571213
2
Metabolism of 4-Hydroxy-2-nonenal and Aging

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S094096021100043
4
Localization of 4-hydroxy 2-nonenal immunoreactivity in aging human retinal Müller cells

https://academic.oup.com/jnen/article/56/8/866/2610754
4-Hydroxy-2-Nonenal Pyrrole Adducts in Human Neurodegenerative Disease

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S089158491630980
7
Role of 4-hydroxy-2-nonenal (HNE) in the pathogenesis of alzheimer disease and other selected age-related neurodegenerative disorders

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014579395000336
The monoclonal antibody specific for the 4-hydroxy-2-nonenal histidine adduct

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016378270300014
6
4-Hydroxy-2-nonenal: a product and mediator of oxidative stress

Obviously 2-nonenal and its products after continued metabolism (including adduction to proteins to create an immunogenic structure) are related to aging.


I'll dig through that, but yes, this is well known. The pathway by which it happens though, is the loss of syncytin over time. this aging mechanism also contributes to menopause


We're a curious evolutionary mess, and syncytins are products of viral infection that happened millions of years ago, and our bodies can still defeat them, causing sterility as happens in old people, and giving off the 2-nonenal which we detect as a sign to power down our libidos when we smell the sterility


the problem is when you start having a huge 2-nonensal load as a highschool or college student, because you have a syncytin void, do to a malformed immune response


Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

Do you have links, DREAMTROVE? Because as interesting as all of that is, it's just speculation and anecdote without the studies and data to back it up,
...
I would like to see the basis for excluding many women from the study.
...
But the 'news' is often slanted.




Signym, yes, later tonight I'll try to post. Unfortunately, I'm also still very sick atm, but you're absolutely right. My say so is worth dick, and I'm convinced enough that this threat exists on an objective level I think any educated person can see the danger without any argument from me, so it needs more data. Spam thread coming later, going to watch some Walking Dead first

Anyway, yes, that's the right level of skepticism for this one on all sides

Anecdotally, there are a lot of people here who have the syncytin void and 2-nonenal discharge, young people who developed this issue post vax. I had this information before I started the search, so I did not come to the topic with the theory that it might be a risk, I found that later. I came in with the already established information that it was a problem local people had developed in the last few months, and the possibility of an auto-immune link of that problem to the vaccine started.

Now you might remember I had some rather vicious arguments with CANTTAKESKY on vaccines here when I was on the other side. I used to do research for a couple vax teams on a purely volunteer open source basis, because that's what my undergrad education was in. So, I was avidly pro-vax, but then my sister's cancer was definitively linked to a vax, and several other problems of people i've known have been, and I've come to a different opinion (to be fair, some of that weight was losing those arguments to her.) But now I see it more in the light of a multi-trillion dollar corporate industry printing money to a multi-trillion dollar deals in a global greed machine as being at least as large an element in the field as any science or any political agenda.

All of that said, I'll dig up some articles.

I'm not aim for a "it's satan" answer but a more "does the benefit outweigh the risk on a level that it's a good idea for western govts to be forcing people to do this.

What I'm not clear on is what % of people this might be happening to. I'm guessing it's as much as 20-50% of people who are fully vaccinated, but even if we can determine that the syncytin void is happening from the vax and happens to x% of people, we also don't know how long this condition would take, or whether it can be recovered from. I just know 5 with this condition in my town of 200, and 2 deaths directly after getting the vaccine. That contrasts with only 1 death we've had from covid19.

Anyway, more anecdotal stuff that's scientifically useless, more later with links

and thanks for the links guys. And for taking this seriously.




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That's one of the logical inconsistencies of the vaccine-as-depopulation-agent theory. If the spike proteins from the vaccine cross-react with syncytin-1, then so do the spike proteins in the virus. That makes viral infection problematic as well.


I don't doubt that they do. And I'm not sure that the people making the vaccine are intentionally duplicating this behavior, they might be very unintentionally doing it. To back this theory up I submit that the Russian and Israeli vaccines have the same problem and no pattern of behavior of those govts indicate they would intentionally do that. I think it's more likely they're copying an original bioweapon.

Any harmful aspect of vaccination linked autoimmune conditions (and there are others, one person locally already has developed parkinsons post vax rare on a college age person, and another rickets, also rare but on a middle aged person in this case. These are always a risk with any immunoadjuvant therapy.


Here's where I think the main risk of vaccination comes in: relatively few people actually got covid19. We had decent protocols in place against it, and only about 5-10% of the population here recorded getting the disease, of that, one person died. So, fair enough, anyone who actually got Covid19 might have all the same problems as someone who got the vax. But the state of new york is pushing for 100% vaccination, so a much larger portion of the population will be exposed to the syncytin immune triggers in the vaccine than in the original virus, even if vaccine makers never intended that result.

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Okay, time to start the spam wall, but slowly. No need to prove that the world is ruled by elite satanists that are hell bent on depopulation, that's not the topic, it's just backstory.

Credits to CTS for this link

https://cienciaysaludnatural.com/estudio/why-covid-19-vaccines-might-a
ffect-fertility/

I think we should connect the dots as best we can for each little part, because I think the syndrome that is going to be caused, regardless of how intentional or unintentional, by mass vaccinating the entire planet with experimental unapproved MRNA vaccines to possibly execute even one time code runs on the human genome is such an incredibly risky process with long lasting side effects potentially, that will ultimately need a cure. Which is where I'm going with this. I believe this syndrome does exist, and needs to be cured.

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The post-apocalyptic thriller “I Am Legend” is bubbling up in conversation among the vaccine-hesitant crowd, prompting the film’s screenwriter to emphasize that the plot is entirely fictional.

Akiva Goldsman, who co-wrote the screenplay for the 2007 film starring Will Smith, clarified that “I Am Legend” is pure fantasy after an unnamed source in a recent New York Times report said they feared vaccination because of the events of the film.

In that film, based on the 1954 novel of the same name, an attempt to engineer the measles virus into a cancer cure goes awry, infecting most of humanity and turning people into zombie-vampire hybrids.

Goldsman tweeted a succinct response to the misinformation inspired by the film: “Oh. My. God. It’s a movie. I made that up. It’s. Not. Real.”

The film has been a vessel for anti-vaccine sentiment since the first Covid-19 vaccines were authorized in 2020. Reuters published a “fact check” of the film’s plot in December of that year after social media users circulated claims that a “vaccine” had zombified the characters in the film.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/10/entertainment/i-am-legend-vaccines-trnd
/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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yeah, i saw this one and thought, no, you didn't make it up, it was a book. The book had a more intriguing ending, but overall I'm a huge Will Smith fan, and I know how much behind the scenes work he puts into making scifi epics hit the big screen, so really appreciating that. It's well done.

As for the hollywood crowd, as I said, I know they're all liberal brain trust circular thought, and so they're all wrong together, but being wrong will not help them save their own lives

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Hey Second, you stupid fuck.

Pretty funny how your arguments against the right to bear arms are playing out right now.

In New Zealand, where nobody has any guns, they are hunting down people and forcing them to get the vaccine.

That's not happening here, is it?

You stupid fuck Leftists are just further emboldening those who are pro gun ownership at a time where people who never even had a gun before are going out and getting one because your Democrat ran shitholes have crime pouring out into the suburbs.



Keep pretending that people aren't getting vaccinated because of Trump or because of a Will Smith movie you fucking idiot.



Democrats are ruining the country 10 times as fast as Republicans could ever hope to.

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Hey Second, you stupid fuck.


was that really necessary?

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Keep pretending that people aren't getting vaccinated because of Trump or because of a Will Smith movie you fucking idiot.

Democrats are ruining the country 10 times as fast as Republicans could ever hope to.
When I vaccinate my cattle, I don't ask their permission, but that's because cattle are valuable. I can't say that about any of the people I know who voted for Trump, twice, and still defend him. Whatever happens to them is immaterial.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Texas+cattle+vaccination

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



DT

What I'd really appreciate is any links regarding syncytin-1 and aging, syncytin-1 and 2-nonenal (or its further metabolites), or syncytin-1 and aging and 2-nonenal; because I can find no links between then at first pass through.


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Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey Second, you stupid fuck.


was that really necessary?


Yes.

You don't get to leave for four years and ask questions like this.

You have some reading to do.

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Wednesday, August 11, 2021 4:49 AM

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https://tv.gab.com/channel/standonprinciples/view/dr-destroys-the-enti
re-covid-narrative-611132777b022aa59dd65777

YouTube and other Big Tech aren't letting you watch this video.

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Keep pretending that people aren't getting vaccinated because of Trump or because of a Will Smith movie you fucking idiot.

Democrats are ruining the country 10 times as fast as Republicans could ever hope to.
When I vaccinate my cattle, I don't ask their permission, but that's because cattle are valuable. I can't say that about any of the people I know who voted for Trump, twice, and still defend him. Whatever happens to them is immaterial.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Texas+cattle+vaccination

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


You don't own any cattle.

But the idea of cattle vaccinating cattle is cute.

Thanks for the lolz.

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You don't own any cattle.

But the idea of cattle vaccinating cattle is cute.

Thanks for the lolz.
If the animal decides, only half the cattle would be vaccinated. When decisions are being made by beasts or Trump voters, good decisions aren't guaranteed.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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If the vaccine works you're protected.

If it doesn't work, I don't need it.

Period.

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Odds of Dying From COVID-19
Unvaccinated vs. Vaccinated

In Georgia, the unvaccinated are 87 times more likely to die than the vaccinated.
In Texas, 85 times.
For the nation as a whole, it's probably around 40 times.
https://jabberwocking.com/the-unvaccinated-are-far-more-likely-to-die-
from-covid-19-than-the-vaccinated/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-i
nfections-vaccines.html



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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

DT

What I'd really appreciate is any links regarding syncytin-1 and aging, syncytin-1 and 2-nonenal (or its further metabolites), or syncytin-1 and aging and 2-nonenal; because I can find no links between then at first pass through.


1kiki

Sorry, I'll get to it. I'm very sick atm. There's not any doubt of these links in the scientific community, so there will be thousands of articles on this I'm sure I can dig up some good ones.

The short is that omega 7 breaks down into 2-nonenal and other stuff, but the 2-nonenal is consumed in syncytin synthesis, if that's not happening, it's exuded in sweat giving off a powerful odor.

Zeke Walker is the young vaccinated and so gives off far more than an actual old person, because he has far more omega 7 metabolism to begin with.

I'll find links later and post here

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Odds of Dying From COVID-19
Unvaccinated vs. Vaccinated

In Georgia, the unvaccinated are 87 times more likely to die than the vaccinated.
In Texas, 85 times.
For the nation as a whole, it's probably around 40 times.
https://jabberwocking.com/the-unvaccinated-are-far-more-likely-to-die-
from-covid-19-than-the-vaccinated/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-i
nfections-vaccines.html



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Second, why even argue in favor of your own death. That just doesn't make any sense. Who would do that?

Anyone can look at the data on the states and see the chart you posted is categorically the opposite of reality. But you gain nothing by attempting to hold up this false narrative, it just keeps you from protecting yourself. Ultimately, your position kills you because you didn't protect yourself from the bioweapon, and it kills anyone who listens to you.

Even for the sake of trolling which I know is why you're doing it, it's still pointless, because you're arguing in favor of your own death. That's just not logically sound.

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