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This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:54 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You know RF, these guys are mad because I call their hero a scumbag. Imagine
that. They can dish it but can't take it. Obama's been called worse, much worse.
Trump is the first to enrich himself directly from the office of the president.
Wait for it, that sound you hear is right wing consternation about to implode.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Ivanka Trump won trademarks the same day her dad lifted sanctions on Chinese company.

The very curious timing behind Ivanka Trump’s Chinese trademarks
Sanctions were also lifted on a Chinese company that is considered a national security threat.
https://thinkprogress.org/ivanka-trump-trademarks-zte-sanctions-792082
cf4f36
/

No, no scumbags here...

Can you imagine the reichwing outrage if Obama did anything like this?


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Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:35 AM

REAVERFAN


'I quit': Fox News regular from Miami dumps network over immigration coverage
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article213
925674.html


An open letter to Fox News from Bruce Turkel:

First, let me share a guilty admission. Your network has been very very good to me. The 400 plus appearances I’ve made on Fox News and Fox Business have helped me generate lots of keynote speaking opportunities and helped me sell a bunch of books. My TV appearances have not only earned me exposure and social confirmation, they’ve also helped me get TV time on other networks, including CNNi, MSNBC, and Chinese National Television.

Moreover, I’ve developed some very good relationships at Fox. My favorite anchor, Melissa Francis, has been my friend and mentor and given me great on-air experiences. Your producers and bookers, including John, Joanna, Avino, and Amanda, have also treated me nicer than I could have ever expected. I can’t begin to tell you how much I appreciate what they’ve done for me.

And no, no one at your network has ever told me what to say or which side of an issue to take. Your people have disagreed with my opinions, of course, but our differences have never held me back nor kept me off the air. All of that being said, I also have to say I can no longer appear on the Fox network. I quit.

Quite simply, the position Fox has taken on our government’s policy of separating children from their parents is too heinous for me to accept.

Ann Coulter claimed that videos of crying children feature “child actors.”

Sean Hannity suggested that these children are part of a “rolling invasion” of our country.

And more than one announcer has suggested that these kids are actually better off in cages than they were with their parents. One heartless commentator dared say locking innocent children away was like “sending the kids to camp.”

Accepting that this misguided policy is wrong doesn’t depend on which side of the political aisle you’re on. It doesn’t matter if you support immigration and immigrants or if you don’t. And it doesn’t matter if you believe the law — or the Bible — gives our government the right to do what they’re doing or not. Separating innocent children from their parents and jailing them is just plain wrong.

It’s not as if we don’t know better. We’ve seen this kind of abominable behavior before.

Slave owners regularly separated African and African-American children from their parents. Western expansionists regularly separated Native American children from their parents. The children of Irish immigrants were often taken from their parents. Children with mental illness or intellectual disabilities were regularly institutionalized and separated from their parents. And Nazi Germany created horribly efficient systems for separating Jewish children from their parents. Am I being hypocritical? Perhaps.

After all, this is certainly not the first time I’ve disagreed with the positions Fox has taken. And it’s not the first time I’ve suffered a sleepless night wondering how I could continue to appear on your shows. But I always justified my decision by saying that I wasn’t really involved in Fox’s political conversations. And when we did have political conversations, I justified my decision by always being honest about where I stood on the issues. But this time it’s different. This time it’s different because what the government is doing — and what Fox is supporting — is wrong.

It’s not wrong only if you’re a Democrat. It’s not wrong only if you’re a Republican. It’s not wrong only if you’re a liberal. It’s not wrong only if you’re a conservative. It’s not wrong only if you’re an atheist. And it’s not wrong only if you’re a believer. Separating children from their parents is wrong no matter who you are.

Know this. Many of the children who have already been taken away will never be reunited with their parents. Bureaucratic snafus, bad record keeping, parents who don’t speak English, administrators who don’t speak Spanish, infants and toddlers who don’t speak at all, and a general lack of understanding of political systems and access to those systems, will conspire against families ever being made whole again.

Know this too. Being separated from their parents is just one of the problems these children are going to be forced to deal with. Besides the deleterious effects of poverty, limited education, relocation, and so on, the trauma of separation will manifest in every type of developmental issue imaginable. These children — and society in general — will suffer the effects of this disgraceful policy for generations to come.

Friends and family used to ask me how I could appear on Fox. I was asked this question so often that my answers became automatic. After repeating my justification about how good the people at your network have been to me, I’d present the same three tired points:

My political viewpoint is pretty solid and pretty well known. I don’t need Fox’s image to determine or disagree with my own opinions.

Demographics show that more business owners watch Fox than the other news stations. Business owners are my target audience. Therefore it makes sense for me to cast my bait where the fish are swimming. And,

Fox invites me to be on the air almost every single week. The other stations do not.

But all that was before you decided that separating innocent children from their parents was an acceptable practice. And it was before you supported people who will say anything — true or not — to defend this horribly un-American behavior. Clearly, there’s nothing I can do to change the way you run your business.

And let’s be honest, none of the shows I’ve been on will even see a blip in viewership because I no longer appear on the programs. Truth is, no one will even know I’m not on Fox anymore.

But you will know. And I will know too.

I quit.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/open-letter-fox-news-bruce-turkel/?publ
ished=t


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Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:12 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump appears to be doing FAR LESS HARM that Obama and Bush. If you have a criticism and it involves Trump's foreign policy killing MORE people than before, I'm all ears. I've heard some criticism along those lines, and I'm ready to hear more. But your constant bleating about Trump trivia is stupid, and worse.



Maybe you should read your own posts? I think you just proved yourself wrong - championship thinking that.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62499

SIGNYM: Trump’s Military Drops a Bomb Every 12 Minutes, and No One Is Talking About It

So you bitch when we talk about Trump, "your constant bleating about Trump" and then you bitch about it 'cuz we're not complaining enough, "No One Is Talking About It."

How mental are you? I rest my case on you being here mainly to agitate.

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know RF, these guys are mad because I call their hero a scumbag. Imagine
that. They can dish it but can't take it. Obama's been called worse, much worse.
Trump is the first to enrich himself directly from the office of the president.
Wait for it, that sound you hear is right wing consternation about to implode.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Ivanka Trump won trademarks the same day her dad lifted sanctions on Chinese company.

The very curious timing behind Ivanka Trump’s Chinese trademarks
Sanctions were also lifted on a Chinese company that is considered a national security threat.
https://thinkprogress.org/ivanka-trump-trademarks-zte-sanctions-792082
cf4f36
/

No, no scumbags here...

Can you imagine the reichwing outrage if Obama did anything like this?




Trump isn't my hero, lol.

I've got a long history of anti-Republican rants on these boards, so I'm going to assume that you aren't talking to me.

I didn't post much here while Obama was president. I'm sure he was called worse than people call Trump here, but not by me.


I don't give a shit what people say about Trump. What I don't care for is being called a Nazi for not jumping aboard your train to throw stones at him 3 times a day.

I know that you don't do it yourself, at least not to me. That is why I've had your back here on more than one occasion.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:07 AM

REAVERFAN


Former Fox News Co-President Ousted During Sexual Harassment Scandal Reportedly Accepts Job in Trump White House
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/former-fox-news-co-preside
nt-ousted-during-sexual-harassment-scandal-reportedly-accepts-job-in-trump-white-house.html


The jokes write themselves.


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Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:14 PM

REAVERFAN


Conservatives are hanging out in front of Red Hen all day throwing poop, while liberals are at work, working hard and paying taxes.
https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/trump-supporter-allegedly-throws-poop-at
-red-hen-while-shouting-make-america-great-again
/

Liberal: Eww, don’t touch that shit, dude? That’s gross.

Blumpist: Ha!! Does it bother you that I touch it? Ha! I’m going to pick it up then! Hahahahaha! OWNED!!! (picks up shit)

Liberal: Aww, dude, why? That’s disgusting. You’re not going to eat it now are you, because that would be really gross...

Blumpist: (shoves shit in mouth, starts to retch but swallows anyway) Hahahahahaha!!! Hey, guys, I just owned this Libtard over here!!!!

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:35 PM

REAVERFAN



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Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:08 PM

REAVERFAN


Fox News whistleblower: Fox anchors know it's Trump 'propaganda'

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/fox-news-whistleb
lower-fox-anchors-know-it-s-trump-propaganda-1262171715587


Former Fox News analyst Ralph Peters speaks to Ari Melber about why he left the news network, claiming the anchors "understand that they are doing propaganda" for Trump and that the network has become a "destructive propaganda machine". Peters says hosts often say things on air that "they know are untrue" but are doing it "for ratings and money".

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:32 PM

REAVERFAN


More toddlers appear alone in court for deportation under family separation
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/more-toddlers-appear-alone-in-cour
t-for-deportation-under-family-separation



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Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:09 PM

REAVERFAN


Trump says he’s committed to fighting white supremacy. His policies say otherwise.
The president’s belated response to Charlottesville might have been valuable ... if his administration hadn’t already undermined it with actions.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/14/16144598/trump-white
-terrorism

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:15 PM

REAVERFAN


Twitter Explodes After Homeland Security Headline Appears to Mimic ’14-Words’ Neo-Nazi Slogan
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/twitter-explodes-after-homeland-s
ecurity-headline-appears-to-mimic-14-words-neo-nazi-slogan
/

DHS throwing out Nazi dog whistles. The fascists are wasting no time.


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Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:16 PM

REAVERFAN

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:56 PM

REAVERFAN


Sean Hannity Knew Just Who to Mention After the Capital Gazette Mass Shooting (AUDIO)
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/sean-hannity-knew-just-who-to-men
tion-after-the-capital-gazette-mass-shooting-audio
/

He blames it on Maxine Waters. And Obama, of course. I'm guessing our reichwingers will, too.

Way to get out in front of it, traitor.

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Friday, June 29, 2018 1:04 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


"Tricky Tommy Turtle goes, when the magic whistle blows"


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:


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Friday, June 29, 2018 3:55 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


"Good thing he no step in it" (Cheech & Chong, Up in Smoke!)

Ha, ha...….good old joke


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Conservatives are hanging out in front of Red Hen all day throwing poop, while liberals are at work, working hard and paying taxes.
https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/trump-supporter-allegedly-throws-poop-at
-red-hen-while-shouting-make-america-great-again
/

Liberal: Eww, don’t touch that shit, dude? That’s gross.

Blumpist: Ha!! Does it bother you that I touch it? Ha! I’m going to pick it up then! Hahahahaha! OWNED!!! (picks up shit)

Liberal: Aww, dude, why? That’s disgusting. You’re not going to eat it now are you, because that would be really gross...

Blumpist: (shoves shit in mouth, starts to retch but swallows anyway) Hahahahahaha!!! Hey, guys, I just owned this Libtard over here!!!!


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Friday, June 29, 2018 5:24 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Sean Hannity Knew Just Who to Mention After the Capital Gazette Mass Shooting (AUDIO)
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/sean-hannity-knew-just-who-to-men
tion-after-the-capital-gazette-mass-shooting-audio
/

He blames it on Maxine Waters. And Obama, of course. I'm guessing our reichwingers will, too.

Way to get out in front of it, traitor.



It's like he's STILL the biggest asshole in high school. I don't see how that guy gets out of this when the big white toilet gets flushed.

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Friday, June 29, 2018 10:29 AM

REAVERFAN


Maryland shooting: Trump ducks questions over Capital Gazette killings, as president's attacks on journalists come into focus
President has repeatedly referred to media as 'enemy of the people'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/maryland
-shooting-trump-reaction-video-questions-capital-gazette-fake-news-journalists-killed-a8422451.html?utm_source=reddit.com





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Friday, June 29, 2018 10:35 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Sean Hannity Knew Just Who to Mention After the Capital Gazette Mass Shooting (AUDIO)
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/sean-hannity-knew-just-who-to-men
tion-after-the-capital-gazette-mass-shooting-audio
/

He blames it on Maxine Waters. And Obama, of course. I'm guessing our reichwingers will, too.

Way to get out in front of it, traitor.



It's like he's STILL the biggest asshole in high school. I don't see how that guy gets out of this when the big white toilet gets flushed.

This, just after Trump calls the press the "enemy of the people," (lügenpresse, anyone?) and Milo the Nazi calls for "vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight."

Milo, too, tried to get out in front of it before we even knew what the gunman's motivations were.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/milo-yiannopoulos-texts-about-gunning-journal
ists-down-2-days-before-capital-gazette-shooting


Such timing.

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Friday, June 29, 2018 10:42 AM

REAVERFAN


Who was the shooter? A loner. A mysogynist. An angry man with a long-standing grudge against a paper that simply reported the truth about him.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/29/maryland-shooting-susp
ect-jarrod-ramos-capital-gazette


Marquardt said that Ramos had hounded the paper and its employees with online threats for years. “I was seriously concerned he would threaten us with physical violence,” Marquardt told the Sun. “I remember telling our attorneys, ‘This is a guy who is going to come in and shoot us,’ ” he said.
http://time.com/5326056/capital-gazette-shooter-jarrod-w-ramos/

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Friday, June 29, 2018 10:57 AM

REAVERFAN


"I can't wait until vigilante groups start gunning down journalists on sight" one day.

"my private statement has been misreported on and mischaracterized as something other than what it was, a joke" the next.

This is a disgusting excuse of a human being that incites violence. This is the MO of the reichwing. "I didn't say that. And even if I did, it doesn't mean what it obviously seems to mean. And if it's an indefensible statement... I was just kidding." They do the same with all of their talking points, when exposed for the seemingly racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic and violence-endorsing propaganda. Let's not forget NRA ads about "they" and "their" lies.



A Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault.

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did...

You deserved it.


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Friday, June 29, 2018 11:37 AM

REAVERFAN


Another violent Trump supporter.


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Friday, June 29, 2018 11:40 AM

REAVERFAN


Every Newspaper Reporter Knows Jarrod Ramos
The alleged Annapolis Capital-Gazette shooter was an angry misogynist and an angry reader, who picked up a gun.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21998213/annapolis-cap
ital-gazette-shooting-jarod-ramos
/

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Friday, June 29, 2018 12:37 PM

REAVERFAN


Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow
Babies in cages were no ‘mistake’ by Trump but test-marketing for barbarism
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fasci
sm-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
?

"To see, as most commentary has done, the deliberate traumatisation of migrant children as a “mistake” by Trump is culpable naivety. It is a trial run – and the trial has been a huge success. Trump’s claim last week that immigrants “infest” the US is a test-marketing of whether his fans are ready for the next step-up in language, which is of course “vermin”. And the generation of images of toddlers being dragged from their parents is a test of whether those words can be turned into sounds and pictures. It was always an experiment – it ended (but only in part) because the results were in.

‘Devious’ infants
And the results are quite satisfactory. There is good news on two fronts. First, Rupert Murdoch is happy with it – his Fox News mouthpieces outdid themselves in barbaric crassness: making animal noises at the mention of a Down syndrome child, describing crying children as actors. They went the whole swinish hog: even the brown babies are liars. Those sobs of anguish are typical of the manipulative behaviour of the strangers coming to infest us – should we not fear a race whose very infants can be so devious? Second, the hardcore fans loved it: 58 per cent of Republicans are in favour of this brutality. Trump’s overall approval ratings are up to 42.5 per cent."

An excellent read. Spot on.

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Friday, June 29, 2018 2:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Children, little babies are being cruely and inhumanely affected by HIS
Policy to yank them away from their mothers.

Fucking Piece of Shit Scumbag! Hope he develops cancer and dies a horrible
death. Yes, I said it! Anyone who can think evil enough to do this low
vile thing is a POS that doesn't deserve to live. Innocent babies, who have
nothing to do with anything, are being used as political canon fodder.
Only a soulless animal would do such a thing, devoid of any human quality
would even think of such a thing. Both him and Sessions, that little
fucking weasel.

"America is better than this" - What a Doctor saw in a Texas shelter for
Minor children

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%e2%80%98america-is-better-than-this%
e2%80%99-what-a-doctor-saw-in-a-texas-shelter-for-migrant-children/ar-AAyJpWv


Quote:

The small shelter along the Texas border to Mexico held 60 beds and a little playground for children....Colleen Kraft told The Washington Post, because as much as she wanted to console the little girl, she couldn’t touch, hold or pick her up to let her know everything would be all right. That was the rule, Kraft said she was told: They’re not allowed to touch the children.
“The really devastating thing was that we all knew what was going on with this child. We all knew what the problem was,” Kraft said. “She didn’t have her mother, and none of us can fix that.”
Kraft, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said colleagues who were alarmed by what was going on at the border invited her to see for herself, so she visited a shelter run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

“The really basic, foundational needs of having trust in adults as a young child was not being met. That contradicts everything we know that the kids need to build their health,” Kraft said.

Toxic Stress

Such a situation could have long-term, devastating effects on young children, who are likely to develop what is called toxic stress in their brain once separated from caregivers or parents they trusted. It disrupts a child’s brain development and increases the levels of fight-or-flight hormones in their bodies, Kraft said. This kind of emotional trauma could eventually lead to health problems, such as heart disease and substance abuse disorders.



These are the same scumbags who profess that abortion is a mortal sin and
that these "babies" have a right to live. Fucking hypocritical slugs.
Yeah, that's taking the moral high ground. You show 'em how it's done.
Whoever supports this should have a baby taken from them and have their throat slit for all that's worth. At least that would be more honest.
Trump/Sessions is condenming these babies to a life of misery.

I hope it comes back to them TENFOLD.


SGG

Here is the current OP, without corrections edited.

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Saturday, June 30, 2018 5:38 AM

REAVERFAN


Yet, it's just one tiny part of why Trump is a scumbag.

North Korea has increased nuclear production at secret sites, say U.S. officials
"Work is ongoing to deceive us on the number of facilities, the number of weapons, the number of missiles," said one U.S. official.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-has-increased-nuc
lear-production-secret-sites-say-u-n887926


Wow. Who would have thought that a one-page agreement between a reality TV star and a ruthless dictator might not do anything real, other than cancel military exercises between us and SK?

Oh, well. The people Trump can easily fool are always easily fooled.

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Saturday, June 30, 2018 8:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol...

Go back and worship at your altar of Clinton, dipshit.

You might be easier to agree with if you weren't so blind to the equal problems from the left and didn't literally demonize 60 million plus Americans who didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, June 30, 2018 9:02 AM

JJ


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Children, little babies are being cruely and inhumanely affected by HIS
Policy to yank them away from their mothers.

Fucking Piece of Shit Scumbag! Hope he develops cancer and dies a horrible
death. Yes, I said it! Anyone who can think evil enough to do this low
vile thing is a POS that doesn't deserve to live. Innocent babies, who have
nothing to do with anything, are being used as political canon fodder.
Only a soulless animal would do such a thing, devoid of any human quality
would even think of such a thing. Both him and Sessions, that little
fucking weasel.

"America is better than this" - What a Doctor saw in a Texas shelter for
Minor children

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%e2%80%98america-is-better-than-this%
e2%80%99-what-a-doctor-saw-in-a-texas-shelter-for-migrant-children/ar-AAyJpWv





T


So, the take away from all this is that SIG is full of shit. Wrong and once again shown to be a dummy. Let's not forget 1kiki stating Trump was within his rights to do this while posting snippets from the Constitution. What a couple of stupids. I would remind those who sided with Trump, this is American not Russia.

A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the government to reunite immigrant families who had been separated at the border within 30 days, or sooner for children younger than 5. But that timeline may be hard to meet, raising the stakes for the Trump administration. John Yang





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Saturday, June 30, 2018 12:26 PM

REAVERFAN


Exclusive: Accused Annapolis shooter Jarrod Ramos had dark links to the alt-right
In Jarrod Ramos’ disturbing Twitter history, far-right connections and hints of violence against journalists
https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/exclusive-accused-annapolis-shooter-h
ad-deep-dark-links-to-the-alt-right
/

So, the guy was a Nazi, too. Surprise, surprise.

Given the FACT that far right terrorism is the biggest terror threat in the US, bigger than Muslim or any other kind, it should come as no surprise that this nutjob was into the Nazi shit all the reichwing trolls here love and defend.

How much of his attack was due to personal grudge vs. his evil political beliefs?

Did Trump, Milo, or the NRA, with their open calls for violence against the free press, push him over the edge? Only he knows, for now.

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Saturday, June 30, 2018 10:15 PM

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Activists Say The US Has Resumed Late-Night Deportations, Violating An Agreement With Mexico
Mexico and human rights groups had objected to the Border Patrol dropping deportees off late at night, saying it made them prey for cartels and pimps.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/late-night-deportations-agreement
-mexico-trump-violation?bftwnews&utm_term=.sb5YEwQZw#.ur9gbpaxp


There are many evil features to this administration. I'd say the primary one is their shameless cruelty. Every day, we learn some new and horrifying thing.

That's by design.

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Saturday, June 30, 2018 11:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"despite a 2016 agreement with the Mexican government that halted the controversial practice"

They must be referring to a practice that Obama, "the deporter in chief", was using before 2016. Because who else at that time might have been deporting people in the middle of the night except Obama.

There are many evil features to Obama's administration. I'd say the primary one was their shameless cruelty. Every day, we re-learn some new and horrifying thing.

That's by design.




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Sunday, July 1, 2018 12:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.jill2016.com/stop_night_deportation_raids
Obama: Stop night deportation raids




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Sunday, July 1, 2018 10:55 AM

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Is Trump a Fascist?
by Michael R. Burch

As an editor, publisher and translator of Holocaust poetry, I am understandably very concerned about any possible resurgence of fascism in the modern world. But to be honest, I never imagined that it could happen here in the United States. That assurance, however, was shattered when I heard some of the things Donald Trump said during his presidential campaign. Knowing what happened to millions of Jews, Gypsies, Slavs and other “undesirables” during World War II and the Holocaust, I shudder to think of fascism taking control of the world’s most powerful military, not to mention thousands of nukes. Is it possible that Trump is a fascist, as has been suggested by articles in New Republic, The Nation and other reputable publications? Where there is considerable smoke, may there be fire as well? But how can we tell? Socrates would tell us that before we enter into a debate, we must define our terms. So what, exactly, is fascism?

In his essay “Ur-Fascism” (or “Eternal Fascism”), Umberto Eco listed fourteen general properties of fascist ideology. Eco said that “it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it.” Thus, the presence of just one fascist trait can be very dangerous. Let’s see how many of the fourteen seem to apply to Donald Trump ...

(1) “The Cult of Tradition” is characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.

Trump is so “traditional” that he equated homosexual marriage with new-fangled golf putters! (Never mind that odd-looking putters and gay marriage do no harm to anyone.) Trump is popular with evangelical Christians—four out of five voted for him according to exit polls—because he embraces the “wisdom” of their received Tradition. Never mind that the Bible endorses slavery, sex slavery, infanticide, matricide and the stoning to death of children! Trump demands that everyone accept the tradition of standing during the national anthem. Trump shows no evidence of ever questioning how he “knows” what he “knows.”

(2) “The Rejection of Modernism” views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity.

Trump’s evangelical supporters reject homosexual marriage and a woman’s right to choose as “depravity.” They also claim that Islam is a “false” and “depraved” religion, while ignoring the many very similar verses in the Bible and Koran.

(3) “The Cult of Action for Action’s Sake” dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

Trump’s mindless attacks on the EPA, the Climate Action Plan and the Paris Accords are cases in point.

(4) “Disagreement Is Treason” devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.

Trump did not allow peaceful protests at his political rallies and said that he longed for the days when protesters ended up in the hospital, going as far as to say that he would like to punch protesters himself. He joined in chants of “lock her up” after Hillary Clinton confronted him with intellectual and fact-based arguments that exposed the errors and contradictions in his theories and plans.

(5) “Fear of Difference” is used to stir up racist sentiments against foreigners and immigrants.

Trump shot to the top of the polls when in his first campaign speech he portrayed illegal immigrants as being “rapists” and “drug pushers” with only a few exceptions. Of course that was very far from the truth, since illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, on a percentage basis, than the general population.

(6) “Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class” who fear economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.

One may postulate that this is primarily how Trump won the election: by focusing on Rust Belt “swing” states where the white middle-class have lost jobs and their employment prospects are far from optimal.

(7) “Obsession with a Plot” and the hyping-up of an enemy threat.

Has there ever been an American presidential candidate with more “theories” about plots against his person? Trump has also hyped all sorts of “threats” against the United States, which—according to him—only he can save us from.

(8) Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as “at the same time too strong and too weak.” On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

Trump at times portrayed Hillary Clinton as old and feeble, but at other times as so powerful that she alone was personally responsible for everything that went wrong in the Middle East!

(9) “Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy” because “Life is Permanent Warfare” and thus there must always be an enemy to fight.

Trump has exaggerated both dangers abroad and dangers at home. Those “dangers” make a “man of action” like Trump a necessity, if we are to believe him.

(10) “Contempt for the Weak” is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.

Trump frequently shows his disdain for people around him, including his employees. For instance, a reporter noted that Trump called his pilots “idiots” when he experienced bumpy landings. But Trump at times lauds his followers, claiming that he “loves” them and they “love” him. There does seem to be deep tension, as one gets the impression that Trump disdains nearly everyone and only compliments people who agree with and obey him. Thus Steve Bannon is “my Steve” when he agrees with Trump but “Sloppy Steve” and someone who has “lost his mind” when he disagrees with Trump or criticizes him.

(11) “Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero” in the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, “the Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.”

Trump seems willing to send many people to their deaths—including completely innocent refugee children and their parents. But I see no evidence that Trump longs for death himself, so perhaps this point does not fully apply.

(12) “Machismo” sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold “both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

I cannot remember an American presidential candidate ever speaking of women with such disdain, or bragging about kissing and groping them without their consent. Nor can I remember any politician in any sphere who bragged so publicly about his sexual conquests.

(13) “Selective Populism” in which the People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of “no longer representing the Voice of the People.”

Trump has been leading the American public down the dark path of racism and xenophobia. According to him, all other American politicians have been incompetent and only he can speak for the People, and lead them back to the Promised Land of American greatness.

(14) “Newspeak” in which Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Trump’s tweets are a rather obvious case in point here. Also, Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon have warned the American media to “shut up” and not question Trump. Trump had journalists quarantined in pens at his campaign rallies. One of Trump’s main goals seems to be forcing the media to stop criticizing him.

In conclusion, according to Umberto Eco’s fourteen-point definition, it really does seem that Donald Trump is a fascist. And that makes him a very dangerous person, since he is now commander-in-chief of the world’s most powerful military and the nuclear codes. In my opinion only on the question of a personal death wish is there any question about Trump's fascist roots.

tl/dr: Yes.

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Sunday, July 1, 2018 12:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/politics/countries-obama-bombed/index.h
tmlhttps://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/politics/countries-obama-bombed/index.html


Countries bombed by the U.S. under the Obama administration

Afghanistan
Pakistan
Libya
Yemen
Somalia
Iraq
Syria



http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clintons-six-foreign-policy
-catastrophes.html


Hillary Clinton’s Six Foreign-Policy Catastrophes

Many commentators have mentioned (such as here and here and here and here) that Hillary Clinton left behind no major achievement as the U.S. Secretary of State; but, actually, she did. Unfortunately, all of her major achievements were bad, and some were catastrophic. Six countries were especially involved: Honduras, Haiti, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Ukraine. The harm she did to each country was not in the interest of the American people, and it was disastrous for the residents there.




I could post page after page of Obama's catastrophic evil. If I did, would it convince you that 'your side' is just as guilty as 'Trump's side'? Or are you so wedded to team loyalty it doesn't matter to you?

The reason I'm asking is because you seem to have lost your ability to grasp the big picture of reality somewhere along the way. It's completely possible that both 'sides' are equally bad.





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Sunday, July 1, 2018 12:56 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

I could post page after page of Obama's catastrophic evil. If I did, would it convince you that 'your side' is just as guilty as 'Trump's side'? Or are you so wedded to team loyalty it doesn't matter to you?

The reason I'm asking is because you seem to have lost your ability to grasp the big picture of reality somewhere along the way. It's completely possible that both 'sides' are equally bad.

No. There's no comparison.

ACLU OBTAINS DOCUMENTS SHOWING WIDESPREAD ABUSE OF CHILD IMMIGRANTS IN U.S. CUSTODY
https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-ab
use-child-immigrants-us-custody


Liberals are calling for the abolishment of ICE.

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Sunday, July 1, 2018 1:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You're right - there is no comparison.

FROM YOUR LINK

"The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014."

Only the incomparability doesn't go the way you think it goes.




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Sunday, July 1, 2018 1:09 PM

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Then you agree, ICE must be abolished.

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Sunday, July 1, 2018 1:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And Obama is evil.




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Sunday, July 1, 2018 1:21 PM

REAVERFAN


Even Donald Trump's Mother Was Afraid That She Had Raised a Monster
"You don’t have to be Freud or Fellini to interpret this."
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/even-donald-trumps-mother-w
as-afraid-she-had-raised-monster



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Sunday, July 1, 2018 1:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And Obama is evil.




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Sunday, July 1, 2018 3:19 PM

JJ


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Then you agree, ICE must be abolished.



I know why you say what you do reaverfan but ICE does more than catch illegals, like.


HSI is a critical investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security and is a vital U.S. asset in combating criminal organizations illegally exploiting America's travel, trade, financial and immigration systems.

https://www.ice.gov/



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Monday, July 2, 2018 4:42 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Obama finished his two terms, and now that fucking Bag O' Shit with the funky
hairweave is (wretch) president. He's (Ha!) in charge now. It's his turn to get
the shit end of the stick from the people who hate him. Yes, I said HATE!
Deservedly so!

Stop using plays from the Narcissist's Playbook. Gaslighting will get you nowhere.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.jill2016.com/stop_night_deportation_raids
Obama: Stop night deportation raids




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Monday, July 2, 2018 5:08 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
You're right - there is no comparison.

FROM YOUR LINK

"The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014."

Only the incomparability doesn't go the way you think it goes.

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This might be post of the week.

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Monday, July 2, 2018 8:50 AM

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This might be post of the week.
Why? Because you get to deflect with "Obama did it, too?"

Obama didn't establish ICE. His weak attempts to rein in the abuses of multiple agencies fell on Republican (read: deaf) ears.

I prove you a liar whenever we tangle. You, being a Russian troll, are paid to lie constantly. I think you should take a break. Have some stroganoff. Wash it down with some vodka, comrade. Attacking Democracy must be exhausting.

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Monday, July 2, 2018 9:03 AM

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There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -Asimov

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Monday, July 2, 2018 9:54 AM

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Accused Annapolis shooter Jarrod Ramos had dark links to the alt-right
In Jarrod Ramos’ disturbing Twitter history, far-right connections and hints of violence against journalists
https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/exclusive-accused-annapolis-shooter-h
ad-deep-dark-links-to-the-alt-right
/

A frightening look inside the mind of an alt-right Blumpy supporter.

“Jarrod Ramos was a lone nut who was not politically motivated, but he was politically influenced by the alt-right,” Hutson told Salon.

Researcher Fred Clarkson agrees. “Ramos and David Lenio seem to have been drawn into the orbit of far-right visions of anti-democratic violence, even as they seem to have ultimately acted on their own,” said Clarkson, a senior research analyst with Political Research Associates, a progressive think tank in Somerville, Massachusetts.

The only two politicians Ramos had tweeted about, according to Hutson, were Donald Trump and Michael Peroutka, a wealthy neo-Confederate funder turned Maryland county councilman. Hutson has written about Peroutka, as have I. Peroutka had major funding ties to former Alabama judge and U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore, as well to the League of the South, whose leader, Michael Hill, had written approvingly about plans to form paramilitary groups to fight a militarized “fourth generation” culture war, one of whose targets would be the media.

“To oversimplify, the primary targets will not be enemy soldiers;” Hill wrote, “instead, they will be political leaders, members of the hostile media, cultural icons, bureaucrats, and other of the managerial elite without whom the engines of tyranny don’t run.”

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Monday, July 2, 2018 1:12 PM

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Trump Judicial Pick Who Blogged Favorably About the KKK Had to Withdraw. Now He’s at the Justice Department.
Brett Talley, who’s also written horror novels and hunted ghosts, returned to a job overseeing other judicial nominations.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/trump-judicial-pick-who-b
logged-favorably-about-the-kkk-had-to-withdraw-now-hes-at-the-justice-department
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Be best.

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Monday, July 2, 2018 2:34 PM

REAVERFAN


Meth-mouth here isn't looking for violence. No sir! These clowns look so stupid with their tacticool crap. Not meth-mouth, though. He rode there on his motorcycle.


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Monday, July 2, 2018 3:42 PM

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Monday, July 2, 2018 4:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Meth-mouth here isn't looking for violence. No sir! These clowns look so stupid with their tacticool crap. Not meth-mouth, though. He rode there on his motorcycle.




RF's problem is he really believes that there are 60 Million + "meth-mouths" in the country right now.

Scary world up there in that pea-brain, kid.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 2, 2018 4:32 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:
T Youtube vid "Get out - Power of Diversity"



You'd think we'd gone beyond needing to hear those words but Trump has worked hard to Make America Racist Again

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