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Hey! War against Russia in Syria! What's not to like?

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Monday, June 19, 2017 9:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Maybe this is what all of that anti-Russian hysteria has been building up to ... direct war against Russia in a place that means nothing to us! YAY!!!

That's what you've been angling for all along, isn't it?

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Russia Halts Cooperation With US In Syria, Will "Intercept Any Aircraft" In Russian Areas Of Operation

Shortly after Russia's deputy foreign minister slammed the US downing of a Syrian Su-22 jet as an "act of aggression" and "support for terrorists", Russia announced that starting June 19 it was halting all interactions with the US under the framework on the "memorandum of incident prevention in Syrian skies", the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday, thereby assuring the probability of even more deadly escalations between Russia and the US-led coalition.

In retaliation, the ministry warned that Russian missile defense will intercept any aircraft in the area of operations of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria,

"In areas where Russian aviation is conducting combat missions in the Syrian skies, any flying ojects, including jets and unmanned aerial vehicles of the international coalition discovered west of the Euphrates River will be followed by Russian air and ground defenses as air targets," the Russian Defense Ministry announced, quoted by Sputnik.

Contrary to the earlier statement by the US according to which, it "contacted its Russian counterparts by telephone via an established "de-confliction line" to de-escalate the situation and stop the firing", Russia claims the US-led coalition command didn't use the deconfliction channel with Russia to avoid an incident during an operation in Raqqa:

"Russian Aerospace Forces' jets were conducting operations in Syrian airspace that time. However, the command of the coalition forces didn't use the existing channel between the air command of the Qatari airbase al Udeid and the [Russian] Hmeymim airbase to avoid incidents over Syria."

The Russian ministry also "demands a thorough investigation by the US command with the provision of its results and measures taken."

"We consider such actions of the US command as an intentional violation of its obligations in the framework of the memo on avoiding incidents and the safety of aviation flights during operations in Syria signed on October 20, 2015."

A bilateral memorandum of understanding was signed between the United States and Russia signed in October 2015 to ensure the safety of flights during combat missions over Syria.

On June 18, the Syrian army said that the US-led coalition had brought down its aircraft in southern Raqqa countryside when it was fulfilling its mission against Daesh. Later, the coalition confirmed the attack saying that it shot down the Syrian government forces' Su-22 aircraft as it had allegedly been bombing in an area where US-backed rebel forces, the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), were stationed, south of Tabqa in the Raqqa province. The US-led coalition called its attack on the Syrian army's jet "collective self-defense," adding that it contacted the Russian military to de-escalate the situation after the incident.




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Monday, June 19, 2017 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe this is what all of that anti-Russian hysteria has been building up to ... direct war against Russia in a place that means nothing to us! YAY!!!

That's what you've been angling for all along, isn't it?



Look who's hysterical.

Naw. Just like "Hillary is going to start WWIII!!!" it's a bogus premise. All thinking people have all agreed, that benefits no one. WWs are so "last century."

Unless you're worried about Trump doing something crazy...

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Monday, June 19, 2017 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe this is what all of that anti-Russian hysteria has been building up to ... direct war against Russia in a place that means nothing to us! YAY!!!

That's what you've been angling for all along, isn't it?

Trump is your man. You picked him for President. If he wanted, he could stop the USA from shooting down Russian planes. Why does he not give the command? Is it because he is not who you believed he was at election time?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, this is only what Hillary and the deep state have wanted all along. And they've been kettling Trump in this direction ever since he was elected.

So be happy!

You'll get your wish!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, this is only what Hillary and the deep state have wanted all along. And they've been kettling Trump in this direction ever since he was elected.

So be happy!

You'll get your wish!

I had to look up your meaning of "kettling Trump":
Kettling (also known as containment or corralling) is a police tactic for controlling large crowds during demonstrations or protests. It involves the formation of large cordons of police officers who then move to contain a crowd within a limited area.

Signym's description of Hillary "kettling Trump" does not describe what Trump has done. Trump sent the planes to Syria without sending with the pilots his command that Russians must not be shot out of the sky. That's all Trump's fault for not thinking and not commanding.

I look forward to Trump correcting his error very soon by commanding the USA to protect Russian planes and pilots, in the air and on the ground.

When a US pilot is looking at a plane on radar or visually from a mile away, there is no way to tell if it is a Syrian plane made in Russia or Russian plane. Nor is it possible to know if the pilot is a Syrian or a Russian. Trump needs to take that into consideration when he issues his command to US pilots, hopefully today, to not shoot down Russians. Trump has to hurry before Russians start shooting down US planes.

Russia threatens to treat U.S. coalition aircraft as targets over Syria
www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-threatens-to-treat-us-coalition-ai
rcraft-as-targets-over-syria/2017/06/19/95e87428-54ca-11e7-9e18-968f6ad1e1d3_story.html

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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Is it because he is not who you believed he was at election time?



This is exactly what she was hoping for - chaos! Tear it all down so we can start again!

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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, this is only what Hillary and the deep state have wanted all along. And they've been kettling Trump in this direction ever since he was elected.

So be happy!

You'll get your wish!



Because for why would they want that?

And you need to capitalize Deep State when you use it, ya loonie peasant!

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Monday, June 19, 2017 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


GSTRING: Zzzz - you're back top being a boring, predictable contrarian. Don't they teach you any creative writing at Troll School?


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, June 19, 2017 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Zzzz - you're back top being a boring, predictable contrarian. Don't they teach you any creative writing at Troll School?

Where is your explanation for why Trump has not yet given the command to US pilots not to shoot down Russian made planes over Syria? Is Trump unaware that he is President and what his responsibilities are?

Blaming Hillary, as Signym has already done, is not an explanation. Signym writing "Troll", "predictable" and "boring" does not justify Trump's lack of foresight in his Syrian policy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 19, 2017 1:30 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Where is your explanation for why Trump has not yet given the command to US pilots not to shoot down Russian made planes over Syria? Is Trump unaware that he is President and what his responsibilities are?

Blaming Hillary, as Signym has already done, is not an explanation. Signym writing "Troll", "predictable" and "boring" does not justify Trump's lack of foresight in his Syrian policy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Second: until Signym comes up with a witty answer (which will be never because she hasn't got a real one) let me try:
Trump has no control over himself or anyone. The Deep State & Hillary have the Trump remote control. We were all correct to think the election was rigged. Hillary & Co. let him become president to make his people happy and allow them to control his hollow shell via dark magic and super advanced wifi she runs from a server in her basement via her smartphone.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 1:31 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Zzzz - you're back top being a boring, predictable contrarian. Don't they teach you any creative writing at Troll School?



Plagiarism! You prove my point perfectly, thx.

So - after you answer Second do try this one on:

Why would Hillary and The Deep State want WWIII?

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Monday, June 19, 2017 1:46 PM

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Originally posted by G:

Second: until Signym comes up with a witty answer (which will be never because she hasn't got a real one) . . .

This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.

It is yet another sign of the US getting directly involved in Syria’s Civil war and not just the campaign to defeat ISIS in the country. It’s a major step for the US to take, and it’s unclear what Trump is trying to accomplish in Syria.

It is Trump's job to publicly clarify what he is doing in Syria and I see none. Doesn't he know the Presidency is more than a full time job? He needs to work at least 6 days a week, 11 hours a day, and he should stop watching so much TV during work hours. He even tweets about TV.

Trump's daily schedule www.whitehouse.gov/1600daily
Not much happens that does the USA any good.

Trump squints. He is 71, his eyesight is going, he needs to wear bifocals, despite his vanity, when he reads from a Teleprompter.


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Monday, June 19, 2017 6:19 PM

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This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.
Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.

By international law, that makes the US an aggressor nation.


My god - all of you jackasses are parroting the US propaganda line. Haven't you learned by now that they're lying to you?




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.
Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.

By international law, that makes the US an aggressor nation.


My god - all of you jackasses are parroting the US propaganda line. Haven't you learned by now that they're lying to you?

Trump has not answered the questions about what he is trying to accomplish in Syria. Overthrow its President? Start a war with Russia? What? He can't give a coherent answer and he can't blame anyone but himself for his not talking sensibly about his policy for Syria, leaving it for the Pentagon to decide. That never has worked out well for the USA in the past, but maybe Trump is hoping that this time will be different. The Cuban Missile Crisis would have ended in WWIII if Kennedy had let General Curtis LeMay make the decisions.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 19, 2017 7:56 PM

1KIKI


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This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.
Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.

By international law, that makes the US an aggressor nation.


My god - all of you jackasses are parroting the US propaganda line. Haven't you learned by now that they're lying to you?




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.
Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.

By international law, that makes the US an aggressor nation.


My god - all of you jackasses are parroting the US propaganda line. Haven't you learned by now that they're lying to you?




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Speaking of parrots ^

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:58 AM

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Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.




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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Zzzz - you're back top being a boring, predictable contrarian. Don't they teach you any creative writing at Troll School?



Plagiarism! You prove my point perfectly, thx.

So - after you answer Second do try this one on:

Why would Hillary and The Deep State want WWIII?

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.






Ray Liotta is one scary mofo!

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:55 AM

KPO


Predictions where this is all going?

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:30 AM

6STRINGJOKER


We'll see how it all plays out. I'm on board with your prediction KPO.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:06 AM

SIGNYM

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Predictions where this is all going?

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.- KPO



There is more than Russia and the USA involved. Well, Netanyahu was never the most peaceful guy, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia just made his idiot son - Mohammed bin Salman (the one who decided to go to war in Yemen) - the successor to the throne. So good luck with all that.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:43 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Predictions where this is all going?

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.- KPO



There is more than Russia and the USA involved. Well, Netanyahu was never the most peaceful guy, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia just made his idiot son - Mohammed bin Salman (the one who decided to go to war in Yemen) - the successor to the throne. So good luck with all that.




Funny, when I did a page search for the word "intelligence" the results were: "not found."

Anyway... this thread reminded me of how gracious you were to inform us of what the word "intelligence" meant - phew! Care to exercise that meaning on the question you keep avoiding, er not answering: "Why would the Deep State & Hillary and Cop want WWIII with Russia?"

G'head, take a swing.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Because being the world's biggest aggressor has worked for them for the past 60 years, and they haven't figured out that this is no longer 1955?

Because they really think they can get in a successful first strike?

Because they'll make a crap-ton of money, and/or gain a crap-ton of power?

Because they believe their own propaganda?

Because they really don't care whether a lot of the 99-percenters die?

Because they have their own rideouts prepared in New Zealand, which they plan to access in their own private jets?

Because they've miscalculated, and assume that Russia will back down, again?

Yanno, nobody ever said these people were good at long-term planning, or were even sane. Hell, just look at the hash that the wealthy have made of our economy. They're not even responding to their own long-term interests. The people most likely to get ahead in our system are sociopaths; that's what they bring to the table.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:15 AM

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


NICE CLIP, RIVERLOVE, BUT IF I WERE GSTRING I'D ACCUSE YOU OF "DEFLECTION"!

Meanwhile ...

Because being the world's biggest aggressor has worked for them for the past 60 years, and they haven't figured out that this is no longer 1955?

Because they really think they can get in a successful first strike?

Because they'll make a crap-ton of money, and/or gain a crap-ton of power?

Because they believe their own propaganda?

Because they really don't care whether a lot of the 99-percenters die?

Because they have their own rideouts prepared in New Zealand, which they plan to access in their own private jets?

Because they've miscalculated, and assume that Russia will back down, again?

Yanno, nobody ever said these people were good at long-term planning, or were even sane. Hell, just look at the hash that the wealthy have made of our (their) economy. They're not even responding to their own long-term interests. The people most likely to get ahead in our system are sociopaths; that's what they bring to the table.


-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:46 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
NICE CLIP, RIVERLOVE, BUT IF I WERE GSTRING I'D ACCUSE YOU OF "DEFLECTION"!



Which means you are defecting - see how easy it is to read you?

RLove is spot on. You on the other hand... are no longer docked on a stable platform.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile ...

Because being the world's biggest aggressor has worked for them for the past 60 years, and they haven't figured out that this is no longer 1955?

Because they really think they can get in a successful first strike?

Because they'll make a crap-ton of money, and/or gain a crap-ton of power?

Because they believe their own propaganda?

Because they really don't care whether a lot of the 99-percenters die?

Because they have their own rideouts prepared in New Zealand, which they plan to access in their own private jets?

Because they've miscalculated, and assume that Russia will back down, again?

Yanno, nobody ever said these people were good at long-term planning, or were even sane. Hell, just look at the hash that the wealthy have made of our (their) economy. They're not even responding to their own long-term interests. The people most likely to get ahead in our system are sociopaths; that's what they bring to the table.




As I have said, military conquest is so last century. You are attempting your usual paper thin misdirection. Recent Russian hacking has shown us the future of war. Infrastructure is intact, systems can be easily restored, roads are drivable, people can get back to work. Digital blackmail is the new nuke. Why not? As I have also said, Russia's hackers are world class, just like their whores.

We're screwing around with President Creamsicle, while China and Russia are working the cutting edge.

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hackers-attack-ukraine/

HOW AN ENTIRE NATION BECAME RUSSIA'S TEST LAB FOR CYBERWAR

The clocks read zero when the lights went out.
It was a Saturday night last December, and Oleksii Yasinsky was sitting on the couch with his wife and teenage son in the living room of their Kiev apartment. The 40-year-old Ukrainian cybersecurity researcher and his family were an hour into Oliver Stone’s film Snowden when their building abruptly lost power.
“The hackers don’t want us to finish the movie,” Yasinsky’s wife joked. She was referring to an event that had occurred a year earlier, a cyberattack that had cut electricity to nearly a quarter-million Ukrainians two days before Christmas in 2015. Yasinsky, a chief forensic analyst at a Kiev digital security firm, didn’t laugh. He looked over at a portable clock on his desk: The time was 00:00. Precisely midnight.
Yasinsky’s television was plugged into a surge protector with a battery backup, so only the flicker of images onscreen lit the room now. The power strip started beeping plaintively. Yasinsky got up and switched it off to save its charge, leaving the room suddenly silent.

He went to the kitchen, pulled out a handful of candles and lit them. Then he stepped to the kitchen window. The thin, sandy-blond engineer looked out on a view of the city as he’d never seen it before: The entire skyline around his apartment building was dark. Only the gray glow of distant lights reflected off the clouded sky, outlining blackened hulks of modern condos and Soviet high-rises.
Noting the precise time and the date, almost exactly a year since the December 2015 grid attack, Yasinsky felt sure that this was no normal blackout. He thought of the cold outside—close to zero degrees Fahrenheit—the slowly sinking temperatures in thousands of homes, and the countdown until dead water pumps led to frozen pipes.
That’s when another paranoid thought began to work its way through his mind: For the past 14 months, Yasinsky had found himself at the center of an enveloping crisis. A growing roster of Ukrainian companies and government agencies had come to him to analyze a plague of cyberattacks that were hitting them in rapid, remorseless succession. A single group of hackers seemed to be behind all of it. Now he couldn’t suppress the sense that those same phantoms, whose fingerprints he had traced for more than a year, had reached back, out through the internet’s ether, into his home.

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hackers-attack-ukraine/

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Thursday, June 22, 2017 4:40 AM

KPO


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Predictions where this is all going?

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.- KPO



There is more than Russia and the USA involved. Well, Netanyahu was never the most peaceful guy, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia just made his idiot son - Mohammed bin Salman (the one who decided to go to war in Yemen) - the successor to the throne. So good luck with all that.



That's a complete non-prediction.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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