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Classified Documents Show Obama Spied on Americans for Years

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Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Not 'some unnamed sources', not ' some partisan blogger on the inter webs ' , but the bastion of hard core conservative ...

Describing them as “serious constitutional abuses,” a Circa report has revealed that previously top secret documents show that President Barack Obama spied on Americans for years.

The National Security Agency (NSA), according to the report, “routinely violated American privacy protections” and “failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) claim these newly disclosed violations rank as some of the most serious to ever be documented.



http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years/




All those alleged infringements the media screamed about George W Bush having done, could have , MIGHT have done... Obama actually did , and far worse.


That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't.

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Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:40 PM

RIVERLOVE




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Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not 'some unnamed sources', not ' some partisan blogger on the inter webs ' , but the bastion of hard core conservative ...

Describing them as “serious constitutional abuses,” a Circa report has revealed that previously top secret documents show that President Barack Obama spied on Americans for years.

The National Security Agency (NSA), according to the report, “routinely violated American privacy protections” and “failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) claim these newly disclosed violations rank as some of the most serious to ever be documented.



http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years/




All those alleged infringements the media screamed about George W Bush having done, could have , MIGHT have done... Obama actually did , and far worse.


That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't.


Oh, come on now - find a real source. Everybody knows ACLU is nothing but Right-Wing Extremists spouting anti-liberal hate speech, right?
You can't seriously believe anything those people say.

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Thursday, May 25, 2017 11:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

15? Wow! Republicans must of sucked back then! Let's hope we don't screw it up so bad with Trump.

==============================



Back then? They're STILL sucking ! They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana after some deranged man child goes temper tantrum over a reporter asking him - QUESTIONS !! OMG !

And the best part ? Even if the GOP gets elected, the Dems STILL win, because - he's an IDIOT man child who bodyslammed a reporter, and now is part of the GOP Congress !!

Competent, intelligent, principled ... why is that so god damn hard to find in a country of 320 million people ???

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Friday, May 26, 2017 12:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well drat. I searched for, but couldn't find, a link to the original report.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 8:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


IDK what to tell you 1kiki.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Op
in_Order_Apr_2017.pdf



the story is all over the place.




Just In: Declassified Documents Show Comey's FBI Leaked Info on Private Citizens to Third Parties

http://whp580.iheart.com/onair/buck-sexton-with-america-now-56597/just
-in-declassified-documents-show-comeys-15863648/#ixzz4iBcX0N6Z






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Friday, May 26, 2017 11:05 AM

6STRINGJOKER


You guys know I'm no fan of Obama. I think we need to stop blaming him directly for things like this though.

Yep.... you heard me right.

It's not as if he was a evil man twirling his mustache behind that desk and he single handedly decided to spy on Americans for years. Similarly, as bad as the Patriot Act was to our basic rights, it wasn't only GWB that made that come to pass.


That was the mistake I made years ago. Blaming so much stuff only on GWB. I was infuriated about things that were going on, and GWB was a convenient punching bag to let out that frustration on. What good did that do anybody? The Patriot Act lived on and was even expanded upon, the NSA broadened it's scope, wars continued and even new ones were started under the regime change. Things just got worse.

Now we've got a new president that I thought might possibly change some of that but I'm not very convinced that they will ever change.


What we see now, 2 presidents later, is one "side" blaming Obama for what he did and the other "side" blaming Trump for what he is doing now. Most people don't even bring up GWB anymore.


The Presidents, Past and Present, are just scapegoats for us to throw tomatoes at until our arms get tired. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Hate the game.

I don't know how to change any of this, but I do know that nothing is going to change if we let them constantly manipulate us into fighting each other instead of coming up with any solutions.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 11:36 AM

THGRRI


The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm.

Read more: http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years
/#ixzz4iCOPTPi0







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Friday, May 26, 2017 11:44 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana


Your crystal ball needs some Windex. The Republican won the election in Montana. Oops!

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Friday, May 26, 2017 8:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana


Your crystal ball needs some Windex. The Republican won the election in Montana. Oops!



Yeah, I believed what I was seeing on the MSM. Fool me twice...

Fact remains, he was an idiot to lay hands on and body slam the reporter. That's just outright ridiculous, the day before the election, to snap like that and put into jeopardy all he and everyone worked so hard to achieve. Just pathetic.


But here's the flip side of the story. All the MSM are condemning him and trying to equate this to having something to do w/ Trump.

Where were all the concerned media when the DNC chair started chanting, in a public meeting " Fuck Donald Trump ! " , as he flips the middle finger ??

Where was the ' outrage' from the press when Maxine Waters openly stated " The TEA party can go straight to hell ! " ?

Sorry, but the lack of decency and decorum started with the Democrats, long ago. And when the media ignores some, and then amplifies the other, you're going to get an POLITICAL atmo like we have today.

Yes. I in part DO blame the media. They stopped being neutral observers and have been engaged in an open assault on the GOP and conservative Americans for some time now.




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Friday, May 26, 2017 9:01 PM

6STRINGJOKER


And they've given license to anybody who mindlessly agrees with them to be as rude and vile as they want to be to anybody who doesn't.

GWB was a terrible president in my eyes, yet I don't remember everyone going around saying Fuck Him. This whole damn world has gone crazy town.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 10:35 PM

OONJERAH



6, I believe you are right.

I don't know what to say about it or how to explain how we got here ...
I wouldn't know how we got this nasty ... being an Ostrich with head
in sand, I didn't know at first that we had.

I woke up when Trump was elected, & I was appalled.
Did I want Hillary? No, not particularly.
Were there any independents running who might have been respectable?

So my friend T loves politics all his life & knows plenty about it.
"How could we elect Trump?" I asked him.

T: Most of the Republicans are such born again Christians, they'd be
very happy to escalate hostilities until we do Armageddon.
Twas also his way of saying the Republican Party leans heavily to the
batsh*t crazy side.

What I know is: There are some sane Republicans & some sane Democrats
who'd make fine US Presidents. Are they simply outnumbered?

Greg Gianforte wins a seat in MT special election & assaults a reporter
in public. Does anybody wanna change their vote?

Respect one another & pull for sanity.



... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 10:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
And they've given license to anybody who mindlessly agrees with them to be as rude and vile as they want to be to anybody who doesn't.

GWB was a terrible president in my eyes, yet I don't remember everyone going around saying Fuck Him. This whole damn world has gone crazy town.



Then you weren't looking very hard.

There were " F The President " bumper stickers , which were a direct counter to the supporters of W - The President.

Then there were books and movies made about ASSASSINATING President Bush...







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Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:52 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Respect one another & pull for sanity.



Yeah O. It's almost scary now how bad it has gotten. When I was in here years back arguing with people about what a bad president Bush was sometimes it got a little out of hand in here, but that was just online talk with a bunch of anonymous strangers.

I've got a bunch of people in my family today that aren't even talking to each other anymore after the election and all the fighting and nasty stuff they said to each other on Facebook and I know that probably most people today knows somebody who's done that.

And the weeks of rioting and burning stuff and people marching around saying vile crap when Trump was elected. I'd like to think that if Hillary were elected that it wouldn't have happened, but I don't even know anymore.

People are just getting really nasty, and I think the MSM today is stoking the fire at every opportunity.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:55 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then you weren't looking very hard.

There were " F The President " bumper stickers , which were a direct counter to the supporters of W - The President.

Then there were books and movies made about ASSASSINATING President Bush...



Alright... I'll change what I said. Of course there were some people who did that, but there always were dicks all throughout history. The difference 12-16 years ago is that they were the exception to the rule. People in general were just more decent back then.

And I'm very self aware of just what an old man saying that makes me sound like.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't. - RAPPY
Why not? Where was the GOP? Didn;t they have a majority on Congress most of that time?

Quote:

15? Wow! Republicans must of sucked back then! Let's hope we don't screw it up so bad with Trump.- GSTRING
And people said that Alex Jones was crazy....

Not a Dem OR GOP problem. Both parties share blame.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:04 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

6, I believe you are right.

I don't know what to say about it or how to explain how we got here ...
I wouldn't know how we got this nasty ... being an Ostrich with head
in sand, I didn't know at first that we had.

I woke up when Trump was elected, & I was appalled.
Did I want Hillary? No, not particularly.
Were there any independents running who might have been respectable?

So my friend T loves politics all his life & knows plenty about it.
"How could we elect Trump?" I asked him.

T: Most of the Republicans are such born again Christians, they'd be
very happy to escalate hostilities until we do Armageddon.
Twas also his way of saying the Republican Party leans heavily to the
batsh*t crazy side.

What I know is: There are some sane Republicans & some sane Democrats
who'd make fine US Presidents. Are they simply outnumbered?

Greg Gianforte wins a seat in MT special election & assaults a reporter
in public. Does anybody wanna change their vote?

Respect one another & pull for sanity.



... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.



I'm sorry I don't understand. Are you claiming to be quoting me in this post, or are you asking me a question? Is it neither? Instead, if the T you reference is a personal friend, I'm afraid he is mistaken.






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Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


(probably deserves its own thread, but hell, Obama was all about undermining the USA... )

Obama admin knew gang members were part of illegal immigrant surge: Whistleblower


The Obama administration knowingly let in at least 16 admitted MS-13 gang members who arrived at the U.S. as illegal immigrant teenagers in 2014, a top senator said Wednesday, citing internal documents that showed the teens were shipped to juvenile homes throughout the country.

Sen. Ron Johnson, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said a whistleblower turned over Customs and Border Protection documents from 2014 detailing the 16 people who were caught crossing the border.

“CBP apprehended them, knew they were MS-13 gang members, and they processed and disbursed them into our communities,” Mr. Johnson, Wisconsin Republican, said.
The gang members were part of the surge of UAC, or “unaccompanied alien children,” as the government labels them, who overwhelmed the Obama administration in 2014, leaving Homeland Security struggling to staunch the flow from Central America.

Officials at the time said the children should be treated as refugees fleeing horrific conditions back home — though security analysts said the children were prime recruiting territory for gangs already in the U.S.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/24/whistleblower-dhs-know
ingly-let-ms-13-gang-members
/

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You guys know I'm no fan of Obama. I think we need to stop blaming him directly for things like this though.

Yep.... you heard me right.

It's not as if he was a evil man twirling his mustache behind that desk and he single handedly decided to spy on Americans for years.

Just because he couldn't grow a mustache does not absolve you from your delusion.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:35 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just because he couldn't grow a mustache does not absolve you from your delusion.



Please do me a favor and read the rest of the post JSF. Just because we generally tend to agree on most things politically I think I was making a valid point here and when you only quote the first 3 sentences it loses all of its value and does come off as crazy.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 4:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just because he couldn't grow a mustache does not absolve you from your delusion.



Please do me a favor and read the rest of the post JSF. Just because we generally tend to agree on most things politically I think I was making a valid point here and when you only quote the first 3 sentences it loses all of its value and does come off as crazy.


I did read your post, and just re-read it.

The remainder of your post did not pertain to your misstatement, which I quoted. I was pointing out your false statement proclaiming Obama to be innocent or blameless, devoid of responsibility for his evil or his rampant criminal actions.

When your argument is based upon false statements as foundation, your entire assembly is a House of Cards which collapses at the first hard look. I did not quote the argument you made following your false statement.

And yes, I do assume that most insane people view reasonable people as crazy, as well as the world around them as a whole.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 4:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana

Your crystal ball needs some Windex. The Republican won the election in Montana. Oops!

Yeah, I believed what I was seeing on the MSM. Fool me twice...

Fact remains, he was an idiot to lay hands on and body slam the reporter. That's just outright ridiculous, the day before the election, to snap like that and put into jeopardy all he and everyone worked so hard to achieve. Just pathetic.

But here's the flip side of the story. All the MSM are condemning him and trying to equate this to having something to do w/ Trump.

Where were all the concerned media when the DNC chair started chanting, in a public meeting " Fuck Donald Trump ! " , as he flips the middle finger ??

Where was the ' outrage' from the press when Maxine Waters openly stated " The TEA party can go straight to hell ! " ?

Sorry, but the lack of decency and decorum started with the Democrats, long ago. And when the media ignores some, and then amplifies the other, you're going to get a atmosphere like we have today.

Yes. I in part DO blame the media. They stopped being neutral observers and have been engaged in an open assault on the GOP and conservative Americans for some time now.


Hey, RapKnight! I found an error in one of your postings!

Before the word atmosphere (why not just "atmo" - we've all seen Firefly?) you should use "an" instead of "a" already.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 4:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then you weren't looking very hard.

There were " F The President " bumper stickers , which were a direct counter to the supporters of W - The President.

Then there were books and movies made about ASSASSINATING President Bush...

Alright... I'll change what I said. Of course there were some people who did that, but there always were dicks all throughout history. The difference 12-16 years ago is that they were the exception to the rule. People in general were just more decent back then.

And I'm very self aware of just what an old man saying that makes me sound like.

Sorry, the MSM was not more decent back then.
You were just more drunk, so you likely weren't paying attention. Critical thinking is much more difficult when you are in that condition.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Hey, RapKnight! I found an error in one of your postings!

Before the word atmosphere (why not just "atmo" - we've all seen Firefly?) you should use "an" instead of "a" already.




Done and done.


Thanks for keepin' me flyin' straight. You're my Wash, JSF!

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 5:36 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I did read your post, and just re-read it.

The remainder of your post did not pertain to your misstatement, which I quoted. I was pointing out your false statement proclaiming Obama to be innocent or blameless, devoid of responsibility for his evil or his rampant criminal actions.

When your argument is based upon false statements as foundation, your entire assembly is a House of Cards which collapses at the first hard look. I did not quote the argument you made following your false statement.

And yes, I do assume that most insane people view reasonable people as crazy, as well as the world around them as a whole.



I didn't say he was innocent or blameles or devoid of responsibility.

I'm saying that you or Rap or Hannity or O'Reilly are being inauthentic and irresponsible when you say that "Obama did this". Just like T and G and Second and Wish or Maddow are being inauthentic and irresponsible when they say that "Trump did this".

The point was that it gets us nowhere to point the blame at one person who is essentially untouchable, and then bicker and cat-fight amongst each other.

Same stupid fucking pattern I've seen since GWB and things just get worse all the time because they're just going to keep doing these things while we're busy fighting each other.

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 5:37 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then you weren't looking very hard.

There were " F The President " bumper stickers , which were a direct counter to the supporters of W - The President.

Then there were books and movies made about ASSASSINATING President Bush...

Alright... I'll change what I said. Of course there were some people who did that, but there always were dicks all throughout history. The difference 12-16 years ago is that they were the exception to the rule. People in general were just more decent back then.

And I'm very self aware of just what an old man saying that makes me sound like.

Sorry, the MSM was not more decent back then.
You were just more drunk, so you likely weren't paying attention. Critical thinking is much more difficult when you are in that condition.



I didn't say the MSM was more decent back then. I said that people in general were more decent back then.

And seriously dude. Did you start taking debate lessons from T or something? Bringing up my drinking problem to "win" an argument I didn't even know we were having until now?

Go fuck yourself.

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:43 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
The truth is Trump really is that bad. Russia really just bent you /us over and had their way with us and people like you are too >blank< to understand. Trump makes us the laughing stock of the world. You thought it was bad under Bush? Did you travel outside the US when he was prez? Did you read anything political when Bush was prez? It's worse with Trump. Thank the godz we actually have a huge economy so we still have some cred in the world. Trump makes Bush seem almost regal by comparison. Trump is a flim flam man, a bad con artist, a 2 bit penny ante salesman in a cheap suit. He makes us all look bad and very little good will come from him except maybe he'll be the swift kick in the pants we all needed, "look what can happen if you don't work together!"
Are you seeing how demented he is? This guy needs handlers, dozens of them, just to keep him from taking his pants off in public. Thankfully, if all goes well, he will end up doing very little but work on his golf game. Fingers crossed that Fux News keeps bleeding reporters and they start to see a bigger audience wanting to hear about his mistakes. Thank the gods that there is so much public anger and outcry against him. Do you think all these people are being mad for fun??? I don't blame you really - if you don't read things you couldn't possibly know.

==============================



The problem is, you've got no credibility. You talked about Trump the same way back in November that you do today. And I don't just mean you personally, I mean everyone that is against him.

Never before in history did we see the crying, yelling, and rioting after a loss of a candidate as we did when Hillary lost. I say when Hillary lost, because I still think that deep down that is what is really bothering all of you still. It most definitely was when all of this started at around 2:30 AM on November 9th.

Since then, Trump hasn't gotten a single day off from the bashing and allegations from the MSM and what I assume is the loud and crazy minority on the left. Like I said in the other thread, a majority of American's really just don't care.

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Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana


Your crystal ball needs some Windex. The Republican won the election in Montana. Oops!



Yeah, I believed what I was seeing on the MSM. Fool me twice...

Fact remains, he was an idiot to lay hands on and body slam the reporter. That's just outright ridiculous, the day before the election, to snap like that and put into jeopardy all he and everyone worked so hard to achieve. Just pathetic.


But here's the flip side of the story. All the MSM are condemning him and trying to equate this to having something to do w/ Trump.

Where were all the concerned media when the DNC chair started chanting, in a public meeting " Fuck Donald Trump ! " , as he flips the middle finger ??

Where was the ' outrage' from the press when Maxine Waters openly stated " The TEA party can go straight to hell ! " ?

Sorry, but the lack of decency and decorum started with the Democrats, long ago. And when the media ignores some, and then amplifies the other, you're going to get an POLITICAL atmo like we have today.

Yes. I in part DO blame the media. They stopped being neutral observers and have been engaged in an open assault on the GOP and conservative Americans for some time now.

Hey RapKnight, when a word starts with a consonant, like "Political" you should lead it with "a" instead of "an" - and if the word starts with a vowel, like "atmo" then the rule is reversed.

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Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sorry, the MSM was not more decent back then.
You were just more drunk, so you likely weren't paying attention. Critical thinking is much more difficult when you are in that condition.


I didn't say the MSM was more decent back then. I said that people in general were more decent back then.

And seriously dude. Did you start taking debate lessons from T or something? Bringing up my drinking problem to "win" an argument I didn't even know we were having until now?

Go fuck yourself.


I didn't know it was a sore spot for you. I had the impression you had a more casual perspective on it.
Some people miss things - like facts - because they have their Libtards blinders on, or keep up their FACTS Vaccine Booster shots. Some because of what you were doing. I was merely pointing out a fact you may have overlooked, not trying to start a fight or argument.

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Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm still waiting for a link to the original report.

The 'news' media must have had access to it, or they couldn't have reported on it so specifically. Why didn't they link it? Why isn't it on the inet?

Not that I don't trust reporters - but, OK, I don't. It's never a good thing to take what they say on faith.




Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

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Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:28 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sorry, the MSM was not more decent back then.
You were just more drunk, so you likely weren't paying attention. Critical thinking is much more difficult when you are in that condition.


I didn't say the MSM was more decent back then. I said that people in general were more decent back then.

And seriously dude. Did you start taking debate lessons from T or something? Bringing up my drinking problem to "win" an argument I didn't even know we were having until now?

Go fuck yourself.


I didn't know it was a sore spot for you. I had the impression you had a more casual perspective on it.
Some people miss things - like facts - because they have their Libtards blinders on, or keep up their FACTS Vaccine Booster shots. Some because of what you were doing. I was merely pointing out a fact you may have overlooked, not trying to start a fight or argument.



My bad. I apologize. It's become the norm for one or two posters here to try to "win" arguments with me now by pulling the Drunk Card on me when they have nothing else. I admit that it has become something of a sore spot for me over time here because of that.

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Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:38 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

My bad. I apologize. It's become the norm for one or two posters here to try to "win" arguments with me now by pulling the Drunk Card on me when they have nothing else. I admit that it has become something of a sore spot for me over time here because of that.


I know, that's been pulled on me a couple of times by certain posters here (and they know who they are). It does suck when someone pulls that lame shit, so I'm with you on this one Six. I think it's cheap and tawdry, and quite generally sucks elephant balls.

So, what I do is ignore it. It was the only, and best way for me to cope with it. Sometimes I let my anger get the best of me and I lash out at these "folks" - you know, give 'em a taste of their own medicine. But in the long run, it's not worth it. We all believe what we believe, and so we argue, fuss and fight to get our point across. But it seems some can't handle it, so they resort to insults. Then they ridicule you when you fire back. I see it as a form of bullying, it's all it is.

I'm being real here Jack. I'm not trying to snow you on this one. It's insulting and degrading, but little do they know that it's on them.

Okay, I'm stepping back with my "white flag" of truce.


SGG

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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:16 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

My bad. I apologize. It's become the norm for one or two posters here to try to "win" arguments with me now by pulling the Drunk Card on me when they have nothing else. I admit that it has become something of a sore spot for me over time here because of that.


I know, that's been pulled on me a couple of times by certain posters here (and they know who they are). It does suck when someone pulls that lame shit, so I'm with you on this one Six. I think it's cheap and tawdry, and quite generally sucks elephant balls.

So, what I do is ignore it. It was the only, and best way for me to cope with it. Sometimes I let my anger get the best of me and I lash out at these "folks" - you know, give 'em a taste of their own medicine. But in the long run, it's not worth it. We all believe what we believe, and so we argue, fuss and fight to get our point across. But it seems some can't handle it, so they resort to insults. Then they ridicule you when you fire back. I see it as a form of bullying, it's all it is.

I'm being real here Jack. I'm not trying to snow you on this one. It's insulting and degrading, but little do they know that it's on them.

Okay, I'm stepping back with my "white flag" of truce.


SGG



I appreciate that SGG. I don't know exactly what happened with you that you were on the receiving end of this behavior and you don't' have to tell me what it was. Good for you for overcoming whatever it was and stay strong. Don't let the haters drag you down.

We've all got our demons. Unfortunately for some of us they made our presence known and others who have done a better job keeping theirs in the closet can use that against us. Personally, I think it serves to humanize us, particularly in the dehumanizing world that is The Internets.

I'll remember this, and I will try to keep my replies to you more cordial in the future because of it, no matter how much we obviously disagree on a lot of things.

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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:50 PM

6STRINGJOKER


One of the major offenders chimes in on schedule...

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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:59 PM

THGRRI



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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:00 PM

THGRRI



Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
One of the major offenders chimes in on schedule...



Make that two. Facts are facts, and if you stick to the facts and it applies, then its warranted.








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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:02 PM

6STRINGJOKER


And there's two.

Can we get Wish for the Three-Peat!

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Thursday, June 1, 2017 7:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm still waiting for a link to the original report.

The 'news' media must have had access to it, or they couldn't have reported on it so specifically. Why didn't they link it? Why isn't it on the inet?

Not that I don't trust reporters - but, OK, I don't. It's never a good thing to take what they say on faith.


Is this what you are asking for?
I don't know if this works.


or else try links in this linky, about one-fifth the way down the virtual page, I think:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-24/fisa-court-finds-very-serious
-fourth-amendment-issue-obamas-widespread-illegal-searc


Or do these help?


http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/

You might be looking for key dates of 26 April 2017 and 26 October 2016. Hmmm, those dates are 6 months apart.

Those are supposed to be links that I posted. If they don't turn out, try "reply with quote" function to see the linky address I posted.


http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-
of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans


http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/05/24/report-obama-lied-and-obama-spied


If none of that is what you are asking for, can you elaborate more? Which document? Which date? Which source? Which report?

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Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I didn't say the MSM was more decent back then. I said that people in general were more decent back then.

And seriously dude. Did you start taking debate lessons from T or something? Bringing up my drinking problem to "win" an argument I didn't even know we were having until now?

Go fuck yourself.


I didn't know it was a sore spot for you. I had the impression you had a more casual perspective on it.
Some people miss things - like facts - because they have their Libtards blinders on, or keep up their FACTS Vaccine Booster shots. Some because of what you were doing. I was merely pointing out a fact you may have overlooked, not trying to start a fight or argument.



My bad. I apologize. It's become the norm for one or two posters here to try to "win" arguments with me now by pulling the Drunk Card on me when they have nothing else. I admit that it has become something of a sore spot for me over time here because of that.


My post had more brevity than I intended due to time restrictions.
I normally don't read much of the blather from T, because I find it a waste of time. Sometimes I see that you engage in discussion with him (quoting his nonsense posts) and I just detour. I have seen him mention your situation, but did not know the frequency of his referring, or if it had grown to harping. I was not aware that it had become a sore spot for you - a lot of those discussion progressions/exchanges I have not followed.

Apology accepted.

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Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I appears to be. Thank you very much.
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Is this what you are asking for?
I don't know if this works.


or else try links in this linky, about one-fifth the way down the virtual page, I think:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-24/fisa-court-finds-very-serious
-fourth-amendment-issue-obamas-widespread-illegal-searc


Or do these help?


http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/

You might be looking for key dates of 26 April 2017 and 26 October 2016. Hmmm, those dates are 6 months apart.

Those are supposed to be links that I posted. If they don't turn out, try "reply with quote" function to see the linky address I posted.


http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-
of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans


http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/05/24/report-obama-lied-and-obama-spied


If none of that is what you are asking for, can you elaborate more? Which document? Which date? Which source? Which report?






Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it, you really dislike freedom of speech and want to lock people up who pract

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Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I appears to be. Thank you very much.

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Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

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Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:28 PM

RIVERLOVE


Former White House operatives Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and John Brennan get subpoenas to testify about their roles in obtaining, unmasking, and leaking classified info to Obama Admin. and the Press for political gain, all felonies under Federal law. Pandora's Box, here we come, or not. They'll just take the fifth, but it might be entertaining nonetheless.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448161/susan-rice-john-brennan-s
amantha-power-unmasking-subpoenas-house-intelligence

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Friday, June 2, 2017 8:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Former White House operatives Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and John Brennan get subpoenas to testify about their roles in obtaining, unmasking, and leaking classified info to Obama Admin. and the Press for political gain, all felonies under Federal law. Pandora's Box, here we come, or not. They'll just take the fifth, but it might be entertaining nonetheless.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448161/susan-rice-john-brennan-s
amantha-power-unmasking-subpoenas-house-intelligence




When THEY take the 5th, ( same as Lois Lerner, and others in the Obama admin ) we're constantly reminded that it is their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to do so !




If anyone else takes the 5th.... " What are they hiding ?? GUILTY !! "

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Friday, June 2, 2017 10:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

OMG - you bring it up waaaaay more than anyone else! And now you have the nerve to turn it into a cry for pity?!? Unbelievable. - GSTRING
GSTRING, in his full-on SJW mode, apparently can't stand the fact that two people seem to have reached the point of common human decency.


SHINY ... was it me that brought up... something? If it was, I don't know what it was. You don't have any demons, as far as I know. But even if you do (did), it's not something I like to poke at. So if I insulted you along those lines I apologize.


-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, June 2, 2017 3:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Former White House operatives Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and John Brennan get subpoenas to testify about their roles in obtaining, unmasking, and leaking classified info to Obama Admin. and the Press for political gain, all felonies under Federal law.
Does that mean they have to testify under oath?




Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

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Friday, June 2, 2017 8:13 PM

THGRRI



Remember the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee? Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.)He's the one who held the press conference on the White House lawn complaining about unmasking. We now know it was he who was doing it. Holly shit, you can't make this shit up. And what's more, some here are so sick they won't recognize they are far right and far left dupes that are led around by the nose by these guys.

This thread is a partisan hack job and nothing more. Unless of course with see the bellyachers attack the republicans like they have attacked Obama here.

Since Rappy started this thread, perhaps he should go first.



Nunes-led House Intelligence Committee asked for ‘unmaskings’ of Americans

The Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee asked U.S. spy agencies late last year to reveal the names of U.S. individuals or organizations contained in classified intelligence on Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election, engaging in the same practice that President Trump has accused the Obama administration of abusing, current and former officials said.

The chairman of the committee, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), has since cast the practice of “unmasking” U.S. individuals and organizations in classified reports as an abuse of surveillance powers by the outgoing Obama administration.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nunes-led-house-intelligence-c
ommittee-asked-for-%e2%80%98unmaskings%e2%80%99-of-americans/ar-BBBQa7h?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000








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Friday, June 2, 2017 10:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


from THUGGER's LINK
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nunes-led-house-intelligence-c
ommittee-asked-for-%e2%80%98unmaskings%e2%80%99-of-americans/ar-BBBQa7h?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

Officials familiar with the matter said that the committee’s requests focused on the identities of U.S. organizations that had been hacked by the Russians in 2016. Officials declined to say how many of the requests came from Democrats vs. Republicans.

A spokesman for Republicans on Nunes’s committee declined to comment on whether the panel made any requests for unmasking.

He added, “It is standard operating procedure for the House Intelligence Committee to forward all committee members’ questions from both parties to the appropriate agencies, whether or not they are answered. I refer you to committee Democrats for further questions on this subject.”

THUGGER, you have to learn to read more than the headline, because headlines almost always promise more than they deliver.




Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

I appears to be. Thank you very much.

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What have you found from the source documents? Assuming you have reviewed them, because I have not yet.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 6:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I did a little rifling around your links, to see if I could locate a complete document, or at least more of it. I didn't come up with anything. That's about as far as I got.




Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

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