A Historic Election is Upon Us. by JEWELSTAITEFAN

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A Historic Election is Upon Us.

POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:06
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Thursday, June 9, 2016 6:14 PM

We will be having a General Election for President of the United States in November.

It will be the first ever election with one of the 2 major parties having nominated a candidate under active criminal investigation, and very likely impending indictment.

To determine the oldest President in history. If Bernie or Donald, or Biden win, it will be the election of the oldest President in U.S. History. If Hilliary wins, she will be the same age as Reagan in years, but with fewer remainder days. If youngster Libertarian Johnson wins, he would not be close.

It is also the first election in history with both major party nominated candidates known to have more than 50% negative opinion of them by voters.

It could also be the election of genitalia, also known as the Hands Size decision. If Hilliary is on the ballot, she will be attempting to become the President with the smallest hands in history, and Trump has proclaimed that his hands are larger than his competitors.

So far, it seems a bit of a mess.

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Friday, June 10, 2016 3:07 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

If the high negative opinions of the New York Liberal #1 and New York Liberal #2 do in the Dems and GOP, an election of Johnson would be the first new Party in power since 1860 when Lincoln kicked off the Republican Party as it's first White House occupant.

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Friday, June 10, 2016 5:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Huh.

Thanks for the history lesson.

I enjoy when you enlighten us about your history, which is part of world history of course.
But, sadly, many Americans are not as enlightened and I was hoping to spread the light to them.

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Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Historic election -

between the first non-politician businessman-crook after Washington (though businessman-crook seems a redundant descriptor)

and the first female to have her finger on the red button, whose every previous decision has ended up with 3 entire counties turned into giant smoldering ruins, literally, and who seems intent on blundering the world into nuclear holocaust through miscalculation, arrogance and stubbornness.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Well, I will admit that I thought the Dems and Republicans evolved from the old style Tory and Wig parties which to my understanding were based on the British parties. Or am I wrong?

You are incorrect.
The American Whig party was spelled the same as the British Whig party, but was not related. The American version chose the name based upon Whigs during our revolution the century before, fighting the British (aka The King). It meant "opposing tyranny." After the issue of slavery divided the Whigs, many northern voters migrated to the Republican Party (which Freed the Slaves, recognized their Right to Vote, and fought against Segregation, and finally passed Civil Rights), but some in the south became Democrats (favoring Slavery and later Segregation, opposing Emancipation, Freedom, Liberty, Equality, and Civil Rights, while serving in Congress as KuKluxKlan members and Grand Wizards.)
The Whigs opposed focusing the government on the President, instead focusing on the power of the Congress (elected by the States, making the States more powerful, the President less so).
The Whigs also opposed the system of removing the Indians (Native Americans) which the Democrats practiced.

The Democrat and Republican party both came from the same party, the Democratic Republican Party, which opposed the Federalists. The Federalists wanted to control at the national level, and were seen as elitists. The Democratic Republicans gained in popularity because the federalists seemed more like a monarchy, which the voters feared. The ideals of the Democratic Republicans of favoring power by Congress instead of the Presidency were continued by the Whigs, and then the Republicans, while the Democrat Party shuns these ideals in favor of Federal level bureaucratic control, which is what the Democratic Republican Party was formed to oppose.

In The United States these concepts were extremely critical and important because we sought, fought, and won Independence FROM England, while the Tories and Whigs were playing footsie WITH the King. Very different viewpoints and consequences.

Keep in mind that often, terms like conservative and liberal regarding Britain and Europe have meanings and associations which are opposite of the same terms in American politics.

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Friday, June 24, 2016 3:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Thank you JSF. Your lesson there almost makes me want to look up Canadian history. If I do that will be tomorrow. Too late tonight for that sort of reading.

I am curious of your answers to a few things:
Are Canadian citizens British subjects?
Is Canada part of the United Kingdom?
Are your legal documents referencing your leader as the Queen?
Do Canadians pledge allegiance to the Queen?

I also wonder how Australians would answer, but they were a penal colony.

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Saturday, June 25, 2016 5:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Thank you JSF. Your lesson there almost makes me want to look up Canadian history. If I do that will be tomorrow. Too late tonight for that sort of reading.

I am curious of your answers to a few things:
Are Canadian citizens British subjects?
Is Canada part of the United Kingdom?
Are your legal documents referencing your leader as the Queen?
Do Canadians pledge allegiance to the Queen?

I also wonder how Australians would answer, but they were a penal colony.

To answer questions JSF is simple,

1. No. We are not British subjects.

2. No. Canada is not part of the United Kingdom

3.No. Legal documents reference the Prime Minister or other heads of Provincial governments.

4. No. We do not pledge allegence to the Queen

I will add this. Canada is part of the British Commonwealth the same as Australia and New Zealand but that is a separate entity from the UK.

Edited to add: It is now known as "Commonwealth of Nations" but if you look up the members. All are former colonies of Great Britian.

Is your currency adorned with Canadians, English Royalty, neither, or both?

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Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Thank you JSF. Your lesson there almost makes me want to look up Canadian history. If I do that will be tomorrow. Too late tonight for that sort of reading.

I am curious of your answers to a few things:
Are Canadian citizens British subjects?
Is Canada part of the United Kingdom?
Are your legal documents referencing your leader as the Queen?
Do Canadians pledge allegiance to the Queen?

I also wonder how Australians would answer, but they were a penal colony.

To answer questions JSF is simple,

1. No. We are not British subjects.

2. No. Canada is not part of the United Kingdom

3.No. Legal documents reference the Prime Minister or other heads of Provincial governments.

4. No. We do not pledge allegence to the Queen

I will add this. Canada is part of the British Commonwealth the same as Australia and New Zealand but that is a separate entity from the UK.

Edited to add: It is now known as "Commonwealth of Nations" but if you look up the members. All are former colonies of Great Britian.

Is your currency adorned with Canadians, English Royalty, neither, or both?

The Queen is on the back of the loonie and on the $20. Other bills have former Prime Ministers on them and beavers on nickels, caribou on quarters and the Blue Nose which is an old sailing ship on dimes. Twoonies also have Liz on the back and a polar bear on the front. Other coins at different times of the year have memorials on them to WW I and II, also a special twoonie was put out when Nunavut was created.

And your point is JSF?

No point, I think. None intended, I think. They were questions.
I enjoy some Canadian-esque TV and film, and have heard discussion between Craig Ferguson (Scottish immigrant) and Canadians about Queen and loyalty or similar. I was not clear on some of the details. Some of my Canadian friends didn't bring up these particular topics, although their relationship regarding nationality was unusual to begin with, as I met some of them while we all served in The (United States) Marines.
You have helped increase my clarity on the matter, so Thank You.

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