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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:24 AM

THG


The coming collapse of the Taliban

The Taliban should savor its triumph while it can, for it is unlikely to survive much beyond this fleeting moment of victory. And those countries in the region that are similarly disposed to celebrate America's defeat should also enjoy the moment while it lasts, for the coming collapse of the Taliban is likely to be more a curse than a blessing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-coming-collapse-of-the-taliba
n/ar-AANGnBo?ocid=msedgntp

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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 7:30 AM

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Once the common foe was vanquished -- three decades ago -- the various tribal, communal and linguistic factions turned on each other - and on the Afghan people.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 9:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
The coming collapse of the Taliban

The Taliban should savor its triumph while it can, for it is unlikely to survive much beyond this fleeting moment of victory. And those countries in the region that are similarly disposed to celebrate America's defeat should also enjoy the moment while it lasts, for the coming collapse of the Taliban is likely to be more a curse than a blessing.



Only because they're stupid sand people and they're going to poke the bear.

I feel bad for everyone in the European countries and Canada that let in all those sleeper agents. They should have a fun time during the rest of Biden*'s presidency.

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 9:16 AM

THG


Women's rights

Saberi: Will women be able to work as they like and to leave the home without a male family member?

Shaheen: Yes. Right now they are doing this… The girls are going to schools and they are going to universities. They are going to jobs.

Saberi: There are some reports that, for example, universities in Herat for women were closed or that women working in banks in Kandahar were told to go home. What about those instances?

Shaheen: I don't know about Herat… I told you about the policy. The policy has not changed… They should follow the policy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taliban-spokesman-on-future-u-s-r
elations-and-women-s-rights/ar-AANLDUC?ocid=msedgntp




Taliban wins my ass. America changed Afghanistan forever. The culture of the country will forever exhibit our influences and continue to change in a fashion that history will record as an American success.

Dare I say; tick tock

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 11:29 AM

DREAMTROVE


Feminazi narrative was always fake. It's part of the genocide. To convince women that not having children is THE FREEDOM! so that a population won't have children and will die, so the sabbateans can take their land.

The feminazi narrative in Afghanistan was always fake. No one on the ground there ever told me anything that resembled the version in our media, and I knew people on both sides of that conflict. Everything they said just contradicts the media hype

The whole argument is stupid. Women aren't a separate species. No one hates women. Except maybe fags. It's just the new world order fucking with people again to try to get them to exterminate themselves.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 12:20 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Can democracy work with islamist jihadi mohammedans?


failure of leadership?
https://gab.com/Praying-Medic/posts/106829005145924887

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Thousands of freed Isis and Al-Qaeda fighters ‘regrouping’ in Afghanistan
https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/25/thousands-of-isis-and-al-qaeda-fighters
-regrouping-after-jail-breaks-15152279
/



Afghanistan proves failed generals no longer care about winning
https://nypost.com/2021/08/21/afghanistan-proves-failed-generals-no-lo
nger-care-about-winning
/

Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden talks Kabul attack: 'Worst day in history'
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nmF4Vw7zI-8/

Afghanistan - Tulsi Gabbard
https://rumble.com/vlbgwy-afghanistan.html

Christian Whiton: U.S. at Complete Mercy of the Taliban
https://rumble.com/vlpx2q-christian-whiton-u.s.-at-complete-mercy-of-t
he-taliban.html


Rep. Boebert “A man who takes orders from the Taliban cannot credibly call himself the Commander-In-Chief.”
https://proudamerican.site/rep-boebert-a-man-who-takes-orders-from-the
-taliban-cannot-credibly-call-himself-the-commander-in-chief
/



Total betrayal’: Afghan interpreters shocked as New Zealand ends Kabul evacuation
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/27/total-betrayal-afghan-in
terpreters-shocked-as-new-zealand-ends-kabul-evacuation



Afghans flee scene in panic following Kabul airport attack
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CftrP2LOMYc/


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Friday, August 27, 2021 1:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Feminazi narrative was always fake. It's part of the genocide. To convince women that not having children is THE FREEDOM!

WHEN WOMEN HAVE A CHOICE, they often choose to not have children, or if they have them, to only have a few, and to make others take care of them, even from birth - for example 'wet nurses' as surrogate nursing mothers. That's been going on since at least the time of an upper class of women who had their own substantial wealth and power. See "Mother Love" for an exhaustive documentation of numbers in France through the Medieval Ages on forward.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 8:48 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Feminazi narrative was always fake. It's part of the genocide. To convince women that not having children is THE FREEDOM!

WHEN WOMEN HAVE A CHOICE, they often choose to not have children, or if they have them, to only have a few, and to make others take care of them, even from birth - for example 'wet nurses' as surrogate nursing mothers. That's been going on since at least the time of an upper class of women who had their own substantial wealth and power. See "Mother Love" for an exhaustive documentation of numbers in France through the Medieval Ages on forward.



lol

you think that was a choice ?

a satanic cult made that choice for her. It's actually Hitler's gambit, because racial supremacy, and now the sabbateans use it to breed blacks to be their slaves. Of course it won't work, black people are a lot smarter than they think, but they're not thinking, they're using scripture.

Anyway, evolutionary logic dictates that you're wrong, a fact you'll have to deal with at some point. It's logic, so it needs no sources, just studying the statement itself will lead you to my conclusion, and if you haven't arrived there, as you haven't, you just haven't thought about it.

the women who are inclined to not have children or to have fewer children died out in the natural selection of the gene pool through the not having of any kids. As a result, their impact on the genetic lineage of humanity is zero

Sorry, but thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you

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Friday, August 27, 2021 9:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Oh, I'm talking about back in the day - hundreds of years ago - before birth control and medical abortions and Hitler. Back to the 1400s to 1800s. Looking at the vast numbers of abandoned babies (many tens of thousands a year in France), the routine farming-out of even nursing-infant-care by women of means, family sizes of poor v rich ... it's pretty clear that one way or another, many women opted out of motherhood. For poor women, often it wasn't a choice, they just didn't have the means to feed another mouth without causing their other children to starve. But for women of means, the record is clear that they had far fewer children, and they farmed-out their care from birth (wet-nurses) on (children lived with live-in nannies often elsewhere, or were sent to boarding schools).

Obviously it's a matter of numbers. Not everyone did one or the other. But there was a significant record that women with a choice chose other, more interesting things than motherhood and its non-stop efforts and tedium.

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Saturday, August 28, 2021 1:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Feminazi narrative was always fake. It's part of the genocide. To convince women that not having children is THE FREEDOM!

WHEN WOMEN HAVE A CHOICE, they often choose to not have children, or if they have them, to only have a few, and to make others take care of them, even from birth - for example 'wet nurses' as surrogate nursing mothers. That's been going on since at least the time of an upper class of women who had their own substantial wealth and power. See "Mother Love" for an exhaustive documentation of numbers in France through the Medieval Ages on forward.


lol

you think that was a choice ?

a satanic cult made that choice for her. It's actually Hitler's gambit, because racial supremacy, and now the sabbateans use it to breed blacks to be their slaves. Of course it won't work, black people are a lot smarter than they think, but they're not thinking, they're using scripture.

Anyway, evolutionary logic dictates that you're wrong, a fact you'll have to deal with at some point. It's logic, so it needs no sources, just studying the statement itself will lead you to my conclusion, and if you haven't arrived there, as you haven't, you just haven't thought about it.

the women who are inclined to not have children or to have fewer children died out in the natural selection of the gene pool through the not having of any kids.As a result, their impact on the genetic lineage of humanity is zero

Sorry, but thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you



Some dumb bitch I was fucking back in the day killed my fuck trophy, and nobody asked me what my opinion was before they murdered it.

Kinda been MGTOW ever since.



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Sunday, August 29, 2021 7:00 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Taliban block Kabul airport to most as foreign airlifts wane
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142792693
Afghan vet Rep. Michael Waltz (R-FL), “US citizens are not being allowed into Kabul international. Biden has ordered the gates closed. Our fellow Americans will soon be left behind. Unbelievable and unforgivable.”
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3989986/posts#comment

'This strike was not the last': Biden vows to hunt down those responsible for Kabul bombing
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IVwMzgqht2M/


Today, the DeptofDefense
https://twitter.com/USMC/status/1431664801013551106
- announced the deaths of 13 service members who were supporting Operation Freedom’s Sentinel. They died Aug. 26, 2021, as the result of an enemy attack while supporting non-combatant evacuation operations in Kabul, # Afghanistan.


Turkey and Qatar will jointly operate the Kabul airport?
https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/106835086712627193

Glenn Beck claims US State Dept. and Biden's White House are BLOCKING his efforts to rescue Afghan Christians from the Taliban who 'want to set them on fire'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9931647/Glenn-Beck-tells-Tuck
er-Carlson-State-Department-blocked-attempts-rescue-Afghan-Christians.html

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'We have to send people into even greater danger to try to smuggle these Christians out who are marked not just for death, but to be set on fire alive because they are converted Christians.'

His organization is now working to set up refugee camps in two other countries, he said, but he did not want to name them 'because I'm afraid our state department will call them and threaten them.'

'It's really really interesting,' Beck then mused. 'We have open borders and closed airports. One group of people are exploited, raped, and killed by drug cartels and the other group of people are raped, exploited or crucified by terrorists.



'It seems to be a pattern with the Biden administration.'

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The ancient wisdom of Joe Biden's Afghanistan strategy.
https://twitter.com/Chaleck/status/1431502493612134401

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Sunday, August 29, 2021 10:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey buddy. Back off. The Taliban are our friends now. The media says so.

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Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:50 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Stranded in Kabul?
https://www.foxnews.com/world/stranded-in-kabul-americans-lprs-sivs-st
opped-at-taliban-checkpoint


The Afghan Safe Zone idea? Macron says France, Britain to propose safe zone
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/29/france-and-uk-to-propose
-kabul-safe-zone-at-un-meeting-says-macron


such a deal would be a prerequisite for constructing a future western relationship with
the mohammedan islamist jihadi Taliban.

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Sunday, August 29, 2021 2:55 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Peter (who voted for Trump twice): “As you well know, Biden is under intense attack for the Afghan withdrawal, with many claiming he is no longer compos mentis. But the colloquy with FOX’s Doocy shows quite the opposite. He gives briefly a quite lucid and informed understanding of Afghan history, the reasons for our involvement and why we are now at last leaving, and the most persuasive and compelling argument for his policy I have yet seen. Dems should show this video widely, because it is Joe Biden at his best, and it should quell his current attackers.”

Nothing will quell most of Biden's current attackers, but given Peter's voting history, it’s awfully good to see Peter sharing this view. Well worth watching that five-minute clip.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, August 30, 2021 6:50 PM

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This is how the Pentagon ended its longest war:

Friends have been combing through wreckage in Kabul, searching for the remains of 10 family members they say were killed in a US drone strike on Sunday.

The family told the BBC that six children were among the dead, including Emal's two-year-old daughter Sumaya.

More at https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-58389241

The US was assessing and investigating reports of civilian deaths.

Mr Ahmadi said he and others in the family had applied for evacuation to the US, and had been waiting for a phone call telling them to go to the airport.

That included one of his relatives, Ahmad Naser, who was killed in the strike and had previously worked as a translator with US forces. Other victims had previously worked for international organisations and held visas allowing them entry to the US.

The US, Mr Ahmadi added, had made "a mistake, it was a big mistake".

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said the US was "not in a position to dispute" the reports.

"Make no mistake, no military on the face of the Earth works harder to avoid civilian casualties than the United States' military, and nobody wants to see innocent life taken," he said.

"We take it very, very seriously and when we know that we have caused innocent life to be lost in the conduct of our operations, we're transparent about it."

More at https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380791

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, August 30, 2021 10:23 PM

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U.S. Drone Strike in Kabul killed a family — and began a new chapter of the war

Though U.S. forces are leaving Afghanistan, the war could continue with remotely controlled drone strikes — and even less accountability.

The drone strike that hit Khwaja Burgha, a working-class residential neighborhood in Kabul, was said to have killed numerous members of the Ahmadi family, with the youngest alleged victim being a 2-year-old girl. Morgue footage shared on social media showed the burned bodies of several children, as well as photos of the victims before their deaths. One of the dead, according to members of the Ahmadi family who spoke to reporters, was a former Afghan military officer who had served as a contractor for U.S. forces, as well as a worker at a charity organization.

The Kabul drone strike is just one in a long string of attacks in Afghanistan by U.S. forces and their proxies reported to have killed large numbers of civilians. Past attacks have hit families traveling in cars and buses, wedding parties, hospitals filled with patients, and groups of farmers working in fields. While the withdrawal of American troops can be described as the end to the war in Afghanistan, the Kabul strike shows how the war may simply enter a new chapter, with the U.S. striking targets with aircraft launched from faraway drone bases.

Critics of civilian casualties in the U.S. war have pointed to the lack of serious investigations on the ground into the deaths — accountability that will be even harder to come by in a remote war.

“In my experience, the bar for thorough military investigation has been so high as to discount a majority of credible incidents. What investigations do take place are neither consistent nor rigorous,” said Nick McDonell, author of “The Bodies in Person: An Account of Civilian Casualties in American Wars,” an analysis of the impact of the U.S. air wars in the Middle East. “At the same time, the military has repeatedly suppressed information on civilian casualties. The drone program is opaque, with extremely limited accountability for anyone involved.”

What separated the recent Kabul drone strike from the long pattern of reported civilian deaths was the level of immediate attention and outrage it has generated. The U.S. war in Afghanistan has mostly been waged in rural areas, away from the attention of international media. Kabul, on the other hand, is the highly populated capital and the country’s center for expatriates, nongovernmental organizations, and both Afghan as well as international journalists.

When the strike was reported, immediate video footage of the civilians who were killed in the attack began to circulate, and even international journalists were able to quickly access the attack site.


In contrast, many past strikes have gone under the radar — and continue to do so.

More at https://theintercept.com/2021/08/30/drone-kabul-afghanistan-civilian-c
asualties-children
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 31, 2021 8:13 AM

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Are Former Professors As National Leaders More Prone To Black Swan Events That Overthrow Their Governments?

Recent events in Afghanistan suggest an example. This would be the sudden departure just over two weeks ago on Aug. 15 from Kabul of then Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, which triggered the sudden collapse of his government and the unexpectedly sudden takeover of Kabul by the Taliban. Even the Taliban did not see this coming. What was the black swan event involved? It was reported in the Aug. 29 Washington Post that Ghani was told early in the afternoon that Taliban were in his palace searching room by room for him, which led him to leave almost immediately with his family and a few aides off the roof in military helicopters for Uzbekistan where they took a plane to the UAE. He basically informed nobody of his exit. In fact the Taliban were not even in Kabul at the time and were sitting outside awaiting the outcome of an ongoing negotiation in Doha, Qatar that was supposed to facilitate a peaceful transfer of power by August 31. Indeed, only the day before Ghani did not even want to discuss defense arrangements with US military leaders because he was planning to give a talk on digitizing the economy. Not even the Taliban foresaw what was coming, although all kinds of columnists are given President Biden heck that he did not foresee it. As it is, no one has yet explained why those guards informed President Ghani of this false report about Taliban in his palace.

More at http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2021/08/are-former-professors-as-nation
al.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 31, 2021 8:22 AM

THG


He was the last U.S. soldier to leave Afghanistan after 20 years of occupation

Maj. Gen. Christopher Donahue, commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, XVIII Airborne Corps, based in Fort Bragg, N.C., was the final soldier to leave Afghanistan as U.S. troops boarded a C-17 aircraft at the Kabul airport just before a self-imposed U.S. deadline to evacuate.

The Pentagon tweeted a photo recognizing Donahue as the final soldier in America's longest war, which saw more than 775,000 American troops serve over two decades.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/he-was-the-last-u-s-soldier-to-le
ave-afghanistan-after-20-years-of-occupation/ar-AANV431?ocid=msedgntp




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Tuesday, August 31, 2021 8:27 AM

THG


In Afghanistan, President Biden had to play the losing hand his predecessors dealt him

The president's critics have been less forthcoming about the losing hand - and lack of viable options - his three predecessors dealt him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-afghanistan-president-biden
-had-to-play-the-losing-hand-his-predecessors-dealt-him/ar-AANW9x9?ocid=msedgntp




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Tuesday, August 31, 2021 8:33 AM

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He was the last U.S. soldier to leave Afghanistan after 20 years of occupation

Being the "last" soldier isn't much honor if the Pentagon drops bombs on Afghanistan after today. There are plenty of reasons to believe the Pentagon will keep bombing the so-called "terrorists" and will keep denying it is actually bombing Afghan civilians, both women and children:

U.S. Drone Strike in Kabul killed a family — and began a new chapter of the war
https://theintercept.com/2021/08/30/drone-kabul-afghanistan-civilian-c
asualties-children
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 31, 2021 10:18 AM

THG


Why two? Why does it mean what you say if going forward we find the need to go after terrorists in Afghanistan? Why do some see things in such a black and white fashion? I feel getting out was right. 20 years, a trillion dollars spent and standing up an army of 300,000 should have been enough. We gave them more than a fighting chance. In the end they failed to stand up when it counted according to our way of interpreting events. How is that our fault?

There is no way to end an ongoing conflict with everyone being in agreement. Trump made a deal with the Taliban to be out end of May. Biden pushed it back to the end of August and got it done. In a very short time we airlifted over a 120,000 Afghans who allied with us. Worked directly with us. Do I wish he’d done things a little differently; yup? Do I know best? How arrogant would that make me if I think that?

There are a few thousand more Afghans who worked with us that I hope we can help. However many who want out were those who were against the Taliban more as Afghans, and less so as allies. I hope we can help them as well but in the end, Afghanistan is for the Afghans. Some fight on while others capitulate.

I hope for the best but our attention needs to be elsewhere. Afghanistan is little more than a blip, a gnat on the scale of things compared to China. Biden knows this and is moving accordingly and he has a very well trained army to do so.

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Tuesday, August 31, 2021 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
Why two? Why does it mean what you say if going forward we find the need to go after terrorists in Afghanistan? Why do some see things in such a black and white fashion? I feel getting out was right. 20 years, a trillion dollars spent and standing up an army of 300,000 should have been enough. We gave them more than a fighting chance. In the end they failed to stand up when it counted according to our way of interpreting events. How is that our fault?

The American military killed a family with a drone strike this week. This has happened thousands of times. Nobody in military will be punished for that, which is why America cannot win against terrorism. America's military won't stop killing the wrong people. For every wrong person killed, America creates who knows how many "terrorists". The longer the military fights terrorism, the worst the "terrorism" problem gets. It's too generous to say we helped Afghanistan by spending $2.26 trillion on the war in Afghanistan. The reality is, military contractors got rich off of those wars. We didn't just waste that money — we funneled it to the same people whose political donations will fund more pro-war candidates.

War is an industry. Or, as Major General Smedley Butler said back in the 1930s, a racket: https://fas.org/man/smedley.htm

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Why two? Why does it mean what you say if going forward we find the need to go after terrorists in Afghanistan? Why do some see things in such a black and white fashion? I feel getting out was right. 20 years, a trillion dollars spent and standing up an army of 300,000 should have been enough. We gave them more than a fighting chance. In the end they failed to stand up when it counted according to our way of interpreting events. How is that our fault?

The American military killed a family with a drone strike this week. This has happened thousands of times. Nobody in military will be punished for that, which is why America cannot win against terrorism. America's military won't stop killing the wrong people. For every wrong person killed, America creates who knows how many "terrorists". The longer the military fights terrorism, the worst the "terrorism" problem gets. It's too generous to say we helped Afghanistan by spending $2.26 trillion on the war in Afghanistan. The reality is, military contractors got rich off of those wars. We didn't just waste that money — we funneled it to the same people whose political donations will fund more pro-war candidates.





Wow you’ve twisted yourself into a knot. Terrorism has never won anything throughout history; simple. And being so self-righteous leaves you out of any serious discussion as to how to navigate the world’s quandaries. You always pick the low hanging fruit to post about. War bad, military contractors got rich type bullshit.

Of course war is bad. Tell that to those who would create the circumstances that induce it and stop condemning those stuck fighting it. And we'd all be speaking Russian and learning Chinese right now without those military contractors. They are needed even if they are a self-serving entity.

With the first gunshot comes mistakes. It’s impossible to believe we’ll get it perfect. It’s also revealing that you always take the position of being criticizer and chief; never offering a path forward.

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Wow you’ve twisted yourself into a knot. Terrorism has never won anything throughout history; simple. And being so self-righteous leaves you out of any serious discussion as to how to navigate the world’s quandaries. You always pick the low hanging fruit to post about. War bad, military contractors got rich type bullshit.

Of course war is bad. Tell that to those who would create the circumstances that induce it and stop condemning those stuck fighting it. And we'd all be speaking Russian and learning Chinese right now without those military contractors. They are needed even if they are a self-serving entity.

With the first gunshot comes mistakes. It’s impossible to believe we’ll get it perfect. It’s also revealing that you always take the position of being criticizer and chief; never offering a path forward.

T

"And we'd all be speaking Russian and learning Chinese right now without those military contractors." -- THG.

THG, you are full of shit. Really. (Russia and China were once pure Commie. Now, both are something impure.)

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Terrorism has never won anything throughout history; simple.



That's all a matter of perspective, really.

The US gaining its independence wasn't far removed from terrorism. What the North did to the South was the same. But the history books are written by the winners and nobody who wins calls themselves terrorists. Had the South won the Civil War in our timeline, the entire perspective of the past would be wholly different than it is today.

Today, Antifa/BLM are terrorists, but the Legacy Media today loves them, so they can't even bring themselves to call a riot a riot while talking about a single farcical incident on January 6th still nearly 9 months later.

Terrorism wins all the time. We just don't call it terrorism after the fact.

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Terrorism has never won anything throughout history; simple.



That's all a matter of perspective, really.

The US gaining its independence wasn't far removed from terrorism. What the North did to the South was the same. But the history books are written by the winners and nobody who wins calls themselves terrorists. Had the South won the Civil War in our timeline, the entire perspective of the past would be wholly different than it is today.

Today, Antifa/BLM are terrorists, but the Legacy Media today loves them, so they can't even bring themselves to call a riot a riot while talking about a single farcical incident on January 6th still nearly 9 months later.

Terrorism wins all the time. We just don't call it terrorism after the fact.

I think THG might vaguely wish it didn't happen, but THG won't condemn America killing millions of civilians because that is unpatriotic. For examples of heaping piles of dead civilians: Vietnam, Germany (fire bombing), Japan (fire bombing and nuking), Philippines ( https://history.state.gov/milestones/1899-1913/war ). There have been other examples but the military is well practiced at shrugging off killing millions of civilians as being just as necessary as breaking a few eggs to make an omelette. Americans love those omelettes.

Infamous video from Iraq: Collateral Murder, which begins with these words:

Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind. — George Orwell


On the morning of July 12th 2007, two Apache helicopters using 30mm cannon fire killed about a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad.
Two children were also wounded.
Although some of the men appear to have been armed, the behavior of nearly everyone was relaxed.
The U.S. military initially claimed that all the dead were "anti-lraqi forces" or "insurgents".

Somebody went to jail over what happened in this video . . . the person who publicly leaked it, not the people who did the killings.

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Mark C. Storell writes: The debate over the tragedy in Afghanistan has swirled around why the U.S. was so slow in evacuating Afghan allies eligible for Special Immigrant visas (SIVs). There are many reasons. One is that the Trump administration intentionally broke the SIV processing system in 2017 creating a huge backlog of Afghan partners who could have been evacuated earlier.

The system was so gummed up that, by early 2021, the average wait time for an SIV had soared to well over two years.

I managed SIV operations in Iraq and served as a senior official in the State Department refugee bureau during the Trump administration. I witnessed first-hand how this process could be fixed and how the Trump administration sabotaged it.

More at https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/570076-how-trump-broke-t
he-system-that-offers-protection-to-afghan-allies


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Being the "last" soldier isn't much honor if the Pentagon drops bombs on Afghanistan after today.
Hence my question that has yet to be answered - are we out of Afghanistan like we were out of Vietnam? ... or out of Afghanistan like we were out of Syria?

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And we'd all be speaking Russian and learning Chinese right now without those military contractors.
Have YOU seen Russian troops storming across the Aleutians? Chinese invading Manhattan (except of course with profitable exports)?

Your imagination, which pretends to be thinking, is quite vivid!

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Being the "last" soldier isn't much honor if the Pentagon drops bombs on Afghanistan after today.
Hence my question that has yet to be answered - are we out of Afghanistan like we were out of Vietnam? ... or out of Afghanistan like we were out of Syria?

Since Senators are angry as hell about leaving Afghanistan, the Pentagon will probably be SECRETLY dropping bombs on Afghans very, very soon:

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) today were joined by 44 of their Senate colleagues, including Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Jack Reed (D-R.I.) and Ranking Member Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), in urging the Biden administration to take swift, robust action to protect and support Afghan women leaders facing unparalleled danger following the Taliban’s violent sweep across Afghanistan and seizure of Kabul.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/chair/release/menendez-shaheen-le
ad-senate-colleagues-in-bipartisan-letter-urging-biden-admin-to-protect-afghan-women-leaders-in-wake-of-taliban-takeover-in-afghanistan


How the Senate Botched the Afghanistan Withdrawal
https://newrepublic.com/article/163397/ted-cruz-senate-confirmations-a
fghanistan

Since the Senate will not respond in any useful way, it is up to the Pentagon to bomb the hell out of Afghanistan, SECRETLY, because the bombs don't need Senate confirmation.

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Matthew Yglesias has an interesting but ambiguous post up on his substack about Afghanistan. His argument goes like this (this is my paraphrase, except for the quotes):

Withdrawing U.S. forces from Afghanistan was correct on the merits

Generally, politicians should “say and do things that poll well”, a position he calls “popularism”

Withdrawing from Afghanistan polled well and seemed relatively safe politically

In fact, however, media coverage “has been hysterical and lacking in perspective.”

This hysterical, unbalanced coverage was surprising – to journalists, to Yglesias, and (Yglesias suspects) to the Biden White House

As a result of unbalanced and misleading media coverage, Democrats may do poorly in the midterms, and the entire episode may end up reinforcing hawkish and damaging foreign policy myths: “And that’s the problem with doing the right thing regardless of the consequences — if you lose the political fight, you tend to end up losing the substantive fight over time anyway.” Also this: “But my fear is that you only get to take so many political risks in life, and having rolled the dice and lost politically on Afghanistan, it’s now less likely that Biden will challenge the hawkish establishment in other areas like Iran policy that are probably more important.”

The only real alternative to the Biden withdrawal would have been to keep American forces in Afghanistan indefinitely: “This is the can-kicking logic that led to Obama’s incomplete withdrawal and that governed Trump’s decision-making until he was a lame duck . . . the objective political incentives favored it.”

And his conclusion: “. . . I think it makes sense for politicians to be hesitant to run big risks for the sake of doing the right thing.”

It’s not entirely clear that he thinks withdrawal was a mistake, all things considered, but at the very least he nods in that direction (while also acknowledging that if Biden had not withdrawn, Yglesias would have criticized this decision).

More at https://angrybearblog.com/2021/08/political-pragmatism-and-public-opin
ion-yglesias-on-popularism-and-afghanistan


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"I cherish peace with all my heart. I don’t care how many men, women, and children I need to kill to get it." - John Cena playing the character of every single American President in the movie Suicide Squad.

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Over Two Decades, U.S.’s Global War on Terror Has Taken Nearly 1 Million Lives and Cost $8 Trillion

These figures come from a report issued Wednesday by Brown University’s Costs of War Project, an ongoing research effort to document the economic and human impact of post-9/11 military operations.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures/2021/BudgetaryCosts

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures/2021/WarDeathToll

https://web.archive.org/web/20210901164034/https://theintercept.com/20
21/09/01/war-on-terror-deaths-cost
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Over Two Decades, U.S.’s Global War on Terror Has Taken Nearly 1 Million Lives and Cost $8 Trillion
That's 8 x 1000 x 1000 dollars per life. Very inefficient.

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Over Two Decades, U.S.’s Global War on Terror Has Taken Nearly 1 Million Lives and Cost $8 Trillion
That's 8 x 1000 x 1000 dollars per life. Very inefficient.

Actually, very efficient. The $8 trillion is being spent for AMERICAN weapons made by AMERICANS in AMERICA, not cheap imported Chinese electronics nor imported Korean autos, thus creating good jobs for Trump voters. And 927,000 dead civilians and "terrorists" are actually a waste stream, much like CO2 vented to the atmosphere from a factory. AMERICAN Factory owners want to minimize waste because that is efficient.

If the whole purpose of the War on Terror was only to kill civilians and "terrorists", the cost is $1.00 per corpse. See the ammo prices at Lucky Gunner:
https://www.luckygunner.com/handgun/45-acp-ammo

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Terrorism has never won anything throughout history; simple.



That's all a matter of perspective, really.

The US gaining its independence wasn't far removed from terrorism. What the North did to the South was the same. But the history books are written by the winners and nobody who wins calls themselves terrorists. Had the South won the Civil War in our timeline, the entire perspective of the past would be wholly different than it is today.

Today, Antifa/BLM are terrorists, but the Legacy Media today loves them, so they can't even bring themselves to call a riot a riot while talking about a single farcical incident on January 6th still nearly 9 months later.

Terrorism wins all the time. We just don't call it terrorism after the fact.

I think THG might vaguely wish it didn't happen, but THG won't condemn America killing millions of civilians because that is unpatriotic. For examples of heaping piles of dead civilians: Vietnam, Germany (fire bombing), Japan (fire bombing and nuking), Philippines ( https://history.state.gov/milestones/1899-1913/war ). There have been other examples but the military is well practiced at shrugging off killing millions of civilians as being just as necessary as breaking a few eggs to make an omelette. Americans love those omelettes.

Infamous video from Iraq: Collateral Murder, which begins with these words:

Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind. — George Orwell

On the morning of July 12th 2007, two Apache helicopters using 30mm cannon fire killed about a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad.
Two children were also wounded.
Although some of the men appear to have been armed, the behavior of nearly everyone was relaxed.
The U.S. military initially claimed that all the dead were "anti-lraqi forces" or "insurgents".

Somebody went to jail over what happened in this video . . . the person who publicly leaked it, not the people who did the killings.

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The amount of absurdity contained in this conversation is drop dead astounding. I would add, any argument that people die during war so we should refuse to participate and that that would keep America safe, is again, drop dead astounding.

I’ll admit to many a mistake made by the United States in my lifetime and before so long as I’m posting with others who present a well-rounded assessment. Not self-righteous rants.

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You should probably drop what you're doing and go fly to Afghanistan and go save some people, Ted.

Talking here isn't accomplishing anything.

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The amount of absurdity contained in this conversation is drop dead astounding. I would add, any argument that people die during war so we should refuse to participate and that that would keep America safe, is again, drop dead astounding.

I’ll admit to many a mistake made by the United States in my lifetime and before so long as I’m posting with others who present a well-rounded assessment. Not self-righteous rants.

T



Are you one of those Americans who believes that killing civilians protects your freedom? If you are, be happy that drones are still flying: "A US drone strike killed 10 Afghan civilians in Kabul on Sunday. The US and its allies killed thousands of civilians since the war began."
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-drone-strike-kills-10-afghan-civili
ans-not-isolated-incident-2021-8


Are you one of those Americans who believes nuclear weapons protect your freedom? If you are, be happy to know more nukes will be built: "Why Are We Still Building Nuclear Weapons? Follow the Money"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhartung/2021/08/10/why-are-we-stil
l-building-nuclear-weapons----follow-the-money
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We finally found that one issue that I was saying was going to start tearing the Democrats apart on this board and elsewhere. It's actually a shame that Nilbog and Marcos aren't around to dig in too.


Ted's a Bushite, Second.

Marcos and Nilbog are full on SJW Marxist racists.

Your dumb ass still believes the Democrat party is the same as it was in the 60's and 70's.

It's not. You're in the minority.


If you weren't such a jagoff all of the time, you'd probably have realized by now that you are more likely to agree with me on more issues than anybody on the board who leans left.

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Over Two Decades, U.S.’s Global War on Terror Has Taken Nearly 1 Million Lives and Cost $8 Trillion
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Originally posted by 1KIKI: That's 8 x 1000 x 1000 dollars per life. Very inefficient.
Quote:

Actually, very efficient. The $8 trillion is being spent for AMERICAN weapons made by AMERICANS in AMERICA, not cheap imported Chinese electronics nor imported Korean autos, thus creating good jobs for Trump voters. And 927,000 dead civilians and "terrorists" are actually a waste stream, much like CO2 vented to the atmosphere from a factory. AMERICAN Factory owners want to minimize waste because that is efficient.
Well, at about about 800,000 soldiers over 20 years, and 8 Trillion in expenditures in (as SLOPPY claims) equipment and ammo) that runs to 1 x 10 x 1000 x 1000 (10,000,000 or 10 million) of military equipment and ammo per soldier!!

WITH A PER-SOLDIER 10 MILLION'S WORTH OF SPENDING ON EQUIPMENT AND AMMO, HOW COULD WE LOSE ??


And who exactly do we thank for that? Congress? Bush the deux? Obama?


If democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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And we changed the face of Afghanistan forever. Now Russia and China need to invest more to protect from Afghan, Happy spending.

T



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And we changed the face of Afghanistan forever. Now Russia and China need to invest more to protect from Afghan, Happy spending.

So why are you complaining about the withdrawal?

THUGGER is an idiot. It's that simple.

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And who exactly do we thank for that? Congress? Bush the deux? Obama?

We can thank the passionate and violent, yet chickenhearted, American people for demanding revenge. Their Congress, also being full of the chickenhearted, could NOT tell the American people "No, since killing civilians is wrong, we will not be killing hundreds of thousands of women and children just because you are scared all the time and can't sleep at night." Before there were terrorists, the chickenhearted American citizens were in fear of Russian Commies and then Chinese Commies and then North Korean Commies and then Cuban Commies and then South Vietnamese Commies and then . . . . There is always somebody new that chickenhearted Americans are in fear for their lives and there will always be a majority in Congress supporting killing civilian women and children. It is the way 99% of Americans are made in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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We can thank the passionate and violent, yet chickenhearted, American people for demanding revenge.


Sure Americans were gung-ho to punish Afghanistan after 9/11. (And what a cluster of disinformation and propaganda it took to conflate Afghanistan-the-country with 9/11 !!)

U.S. MILITARY ATTACKS AGAINST AFGHANISTAN (OCTOBER 2001)
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Approvexxxxxxxx90%xxxxxx97%xxxxxx85%xxxxxxx87%
Disapprovexxxxxx6%xxxxxxx1%xxxxxxx10%xxxxxxx6%
Don't Knowxxxxxx4%xxxxxxx2%xxxxxxx5%xxxxxxxx7%


But all that went south quickly.


IS THE U.S. DOING THE RIGHT THING BY FIGHTING THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN? (2009)
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Approvexxxxxxxx47%xxxxxx67%xxxxxx36%xxxxxxx45%
Disapprovexxxxxx42%xxxxxxx25%xxxxxxx55%xxxxxxx41%
Don't Knowxxxxxx11%xxxxxxx8%xxxxxxx9%xxxxxxxx14%

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/publics-views-of-afghanistan-war-have-tur
ned-sour
/

2013
Support for the war in Afghanistan has dipped below 20%
https://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/30/cnn-poll-afghanistan-
war-most-unpopular-in-u-s-history
/

2019
majorities of both veterans (58%) and the public (59%) say the war in Afghanistan was not worth fighting
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/10/majorities-of-u-s-vet
erans-public-say-the-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-were-not-worth-fighting
/



Since the war dragged on far longer than public support, who do we thank for it shambling forward like a zombie? It was really popular under Bush the deux. Maybe we should thank Obama perhaps since public support for the Afghanistan war was very low during his administration? I know we can't blame Trump, since he negotiated the American withdrawal.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by THG:

And we changed the face of Afghanistan forever. Now Russia and China need to invest more to protect from Afghan, Happy spending.

So why are you complaining about the withdrawal?

THUGGER is an idiot. It's that simple.






I'm not. I'm glad were out. Our being out fucks Russia and China.

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This is for all the morons here who've posted many times about how America created the Taliban.

T



Christine Fair: Pakistan, the Taliban and Regional Security


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Biden’s Basic Question in a 2009 White House Meeting Exposed the Folly of the Afghanistan War

by Ryan Grim https://theintercept.com/2021/09/02/afghanistan-obama-war-biden/

On the afternoon of October 9, 2009, President Barack Obama met with his top generals, Cabinet officials, and his vice president to hash out strategy for the war in Afghanistan. Earlier that morning, Obama learned he’d been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The war in Afghanistan was now eight years old, and Obama had campaigned on the idea that the Bush administration’s effort there had been headed in the wrong direction.

Gens. Stanley McChrystal and David Petraeus, along with much of the military brass, were pushing for a troop increase of 40,000 to 85,000 in Afghanistan. Doing so would allow for a counterinsurgency strategy, they claimed, and would give the Americans time to recruit and train a larger Afghan national army and police force. The pivotal meeting is captured in Bob Woodward’s 2010 book “Obama’s Wars.”

Advocates for an expanded war found their most nettlesome opponent in Joe Biden.

“As I hear what you’re saying, as I read your report, you’re saying that we have about a year,” Biden said to McChrystal. “And that our success relies upon having a reliable, a strong partner in governance to make this work?”

McChrystal said yes, that was the case. Biden turned to Karl Eikenberry, a former general who was now ambassador to Afghanistan. “In your estimation, can we, can that be achieved in the next year?”

Eikenberry told Biden no, it was not possible, because there was no strong, reliable partner in Afghanistan.
Eikenberry followed with a pessimistic 10-minute assessment of the situation and pinpointed another logical failure that would manifest itself more than a decade later. “We talk about clear, hold and build, but we actually must include transfer into this,” Eikenberry said, adding that to eventually withdraw, the transfer was key.

Eikenberry said he “would challenge [the] assumption” that the U.S. and the Afghan government were even aligned. “Right now we’re dealing with an extraordinarily corrupt government,” he said.

Petraeus, when he spoke, acknowledged what had become obvious. “I understand the government is a criminal syndicate,” he said.
“But we need to help achieve and improve security and, as noted, regain the initiative and turn some recent tactical gains into operational momentum,” Petraeus said, adding that he “strongly agreed” with McChrystal’s pitch for a larger force.

Biden cut in: “If the government’s a criminal syndicate a year from now, how will troops make a difference?” he asked.

Biden was getting at something fundamental: Did anybody believe what the generals were proposing was actually possible?
Biden’s questions were largely ignored by the war planners, but the conversation held in that meeting makes clear that the answer was readily available by 2009: It was not possible and would collapse quickly once U.S. support was withdrawn. Instead of following Biden’s lead, the Obama administration allowed the carnage to drag on fruitlessly for another 12 years.

Woodward’s next lines are the most telling: “No one recorded an answer in their notes. Biden was swinging hard at McChrystal, [Defense Secretary Bob] Gates and Petraeus.”

Biden pressed on. “What’s the best-guess estimate for getting things headed in the right direction? If a year from now there is no demonstrable progress in governance, what do we do?”

Again, no answer.

Again, Biden asked: “If the government doesn’t improve and if you get the troops, in a year, what would be the impact?”

Finally, Eikenberry responded. “The past five years are not heartening,” he said, “but there are pockets of progress. We can build on those.” In the next six to 12 months, he added, “We shouldn’t expect significant breakthroughs.”

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, said that the dilemma was whether to focus on adding troops or better governance. “But not putting troops in guarantees we won’t achieve what we’re after and guarantees no psychological momentum. Preventing collapse requires more troops, but that doesn’t guarantee progress.” She added, “The only way to get governance changes is to add troops, but there’s still no guarantee that it will work.”

Richard Holbrooke, special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, chimed in with a reality that was largely kept from the U.S. public. “Our presence is the corrupting force,” Holbrooke said. Woodward then paraphrased his explanation: “All the contractors for development projects pay the Taliban for protection and use of roads, so American and coalition dollars help finance the Taliban. And with more development, higher traffic on roads, and more troops, the Taliban would make more money.”

He added that the numbers were all fake, noting that he had sent staff to investigate the claims being made by contractors that they had trained a massive number of Afghan police. About 80 percent of the force was illiterate, he said, drug addiction was common, and that was for the police officers who actually existed. Many, he said, were “ghosts” who got paychecks but never showed up.

He said that with a 25 percent attrition rate, McChrystal’s projections for the growth of Afghan forces was mathematically impossible. “It’s like pouring water into a bucket with a hole in it,” Holbrooke said.

Holbrooke’s argument is largely paraphrased by Woodward because, known as somebody willing to speak uncomfortable truths in high-level meetings, he was somebody the other officials had simply begun to ignore. Wrote Woodward: “Several note takers had learned to do the same thing when Holbrooke embarked on his discourse. They set down their pens and relaxed their tired fingers. The big personality had lost its sheen. He was not connecting with Obama.”

Biden’s summation, said Woodward, returned to the theme that the project was doomed due to the failure to have built a real Afghan government. Obama thanked his advisers for getting him closer to a decision. On December 1, he announced publicly he’d be surging 40,000 new troops into Afghanistan, while preparing for an exit. The surge came, but it was left to Biden to finally lead the way out.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, September 3, 2021 9:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


We should have just turned Mecca to glass 20 years ago.

Nobody in the world would even be having this conversation right now.



Sure glad that Biden* let in 100,000 terrorists though. Have fun when they engage everybody, m'kay?

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Afghanistan v. Star Trek’s Prime Directive

On February 9, 1967, hours after the US Air Force pounded Haiphong Harbor and several Vietnamese airfields, NBC television screened a politically momentous episode of Star Trek. Entitled “The Return of the Archons,” the episode marks the debut of the Prime Directive – the supreme law of the fictional United Federation of Planets, and its Starfleet, banning any and all purposeful interference with alien people, civilizations, and cultures. Devised in 1966, as President Lyndon B. Johnson was sending another 100,000 troops into Vietnam, the Prime Directive constituted a direct, though well-camouflaged, ideological challenge to what the US government was up to.

Having remained central to the Star Trek series to this day, the Prime Directive is even more pertinent now. Military escapades always entail a variety of separate issues, making it hard to have a rational debate about their merits. For example, were the US invasions of Vietnam or Afghanistan motivated by good intentions, whether containing totalitarianism or saving women from radical Islamists? Or were those intentions invoked to provide political cover for cynical economic or strategic motives? Were they wrong because the US forces were defeated? Or would they have been wrong even in victory?

The beauty of the Prime Directive is that it cuts through this labyrinth of confusion and deception: the invader’s motives, good or bad, matter not one iota. The Prime Directive bans the deployment of superior technology (military or otherwise) for the purposes of interfering with any community, any people, or any sentient species. It is, in fact, quite drastic: Starfleet personnel must respect it even if it costs them their lives.

In the words of Captain James T. Kirk, “a starship captain’s most solemn oath is that he will give his life, even his entire crew, rather than violate the Prime Directive.” To which his successor, Captain Jean-Luc Picard, adds: “The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy … and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes … no matter how well-intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous.”

Entrenching such a philosophy in a mainstream American TV series, and in the midst of the biggest escalation of the Vietnam War, was a bold move. There can be little doubt that it was an intentional critique of US foreign policy. In the episode “Patterns of Force” (1968), Star Trek’s screenwriters conjured up a Federation social engineer who tries to help a primitive planet develop by instilling in its people a humanist attitude while also building a state with the efficiency that only an authoritarian regime can muster. His well-meaning intervention soon unravels as the patterns of authority he introduced beget institutionalized racism, and the humanism he tries to nurture is crushed by a regime espousing genocide.

Star Trek’s writers were not naive moralists or isolationists. They understood that, as with all rigid moral imperatives, their Prime Directive could not be applied straightforwardly. Simply turning up in a foreign land, or on another planet, meant interfering in some way. Although Starfleet officers are shown prepared to die rather than violate the Prime Directive, in plenty of situations their moral outrage causes them to bend or even ignore it. In “A Private Little War” (1968), they encounter a planetary civil war where one of the two factions has been supplied with advanced weapons by the Federation’s arch foe, the Klingons. How could they respect the Prime Directive when the competing superpower is not?

Deciding that the best way to respect the Prime Directive is to violate it, they attempt to level the battlefield by providing almost identical weapons to the other faction. The result is an out-of-control arms race and a rare unhappy ending.

But not all violations of the Prime Directive lead to disaster. “A Taste of Armageddon” (1967) depicts a bizarre war between two planets whose leaders had agreed to simulate their battles on a computer in order to stop the endless destruction of infrastructure. But the people “killed” in the computer simulation are later taken to death chambers. Convinced that risking a return to full-blown war is preferable to letting the callous simulated-cum-actual killings continue, Kirk violates the Prime Directive by blowing up the death chambers.

Nonetheless, the screenwriters went to great lengths in such cases to show that good consequences resulted despite violations of the Prime Directive, not because of them. Or, more precisely, it is the belief, etched into the minds and souls of Starfleet personnel, that the Prime Directive is good and proper which makes it possible for violations of it sometimes to work out. Likewise, Western soldiers can occasionally do good in some far-flung war-torn country precisely because they do not believe it is sensible to try to build a coherent civilization at the barrel of a foreign gun.

Star Trek’s Prime Directive deploys popular culture to highlight the irrelevance of whether the stated good intentions used to justify imperialist escapades are real or bogus. It dramatizes brilliantly the manner in which top-down high-tech invasions planned in advance to save an “inferior” people from themselves can only lead inexorably to the nauseating lies, crimes, and cover-ups of the sort we encounter in the Pentagon Papers or Wikileaks.

The Prime Directive is also a necessary and useful reminder of the contradictions of American society – in particular, how it has produced not only the liberal imperialist doctrine responsible for so much carnage in places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, but also a liberal anti-imperialist doctrine which remains ensconced in a TV series that has been captivating US audiences for longer than most Americans have been alive.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/star-trek-prime-directive
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, September 4, 2021 10:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


There's at least 3 new Star Trek shows that prove that Leftists don't give a shit about Star Trek or the Prime Directive.

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