10 Minutes for The Vault.... by 6IXSTRINGJACK

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10 Minutes for The Vault....

POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
UPDATED: Monday, January 4, 2016 03:58
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Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:06 AM

Chances are, you've never heard of it, and I'd rather you go into it knowing NOTHING like I did.

Give 10 minutes of your free time to watch the first episode. If you hate it, don't watch another one.

I'm pretty sure that won't happen though :)

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Monday, December 28, 2015 10:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, I watched TheVault Jack. Yanno, the movie moguls put out very non-generational movies, built for (nearly) every age. Spoiler alert But TheVault seems a product and voice of your generation, very specifically. And, aside from being a brain teaser, it's very nihilistic in its plot. So, maybe I'm asking you to speak for your generation, but, would you say its nihilism is one of its attractions?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Friday, January 1, 2016 1:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Hey 1kiki....

I don't know exactly how to respond to that reply, but I can say that I wish we were discussing it over a cup of coffee right now.

Maybe you could tell me, for instance, what "Generation" you think I belong to?

I remember growing up thinking I was Generation X, but being told by a somewhat older woman in her early 30's at work that I was Generation Y when she found out how "young" I was when I was 25.

Without spoilers, I was very dissatisfied with the ending of The Vault myself, as you probably were, although unlike most outfits women wear in the summer today it left EVERYTHING to the imagination which I really loved.

I really don't know what my generation liked Kiki... I only did a very good job pretending to assimilate when I was in High School. As much as I loved and owned every season of The Sopranos, and have watched it several times over, I have never "pulled the trigger" and watched the final episode. It is my one Special Thing. Maybe I will or maybe I won't watch it one day. In the mean time, the ending of The Sopranos to me is whatever I imagine it to be.

So if you're really asking me to speak for My Generation, I must humbly decline. Leave that to The Beatles and anyone who grew up with the monumental amount of hubris to believe that they have the right to do so. :)

Even if I possessed such audacity, which generation would I be speaking for? X or Y???

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, I watched TheVault Jack. Yanno, the movie moguls put out very non-generational movies, built for (nearly) every age. Spoiler alert But TheVault seems a product and voice of your generation, very specifically. And, aside from being a brain teaser, it's very nihilistic in its plot. So, maybe I'm asking you to speak for your generation, but, would you say its nihilism is one of its attractions?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 1, 2016 11:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

That would be cool - if we could sit down over coffee and discuss it. The rest has many spoilers, so big, big spoiler alert

By 'your generation' I mean the generation who grew up with near effortless global communication. The generation that can communicate with the latest i-whatever that's always nearby, with anyone on the planet, about the latest e-something or trending whatever, that feels a type of global citizenship - who lives nowhere specific, and everywhere. Who has no allegiance to a group, a cause, or a location. Who has no story of the world except the personal story of their life. The ultimately atomized society of individuals.

Though perhaps that's not you.

But I sense it clearly in the movie. The people are archetypes with generically described backgrounds (struggling v privileged) and they seem to have no socially entrenched memes to deal with their situation (we're all in this together; we're not the 'doers' we're part of the 'done-to' and we need to stick together) - they seem to have to recapitulate society from the ground up - they have to decide THAT they need to work together as a group before they even decide how.

btw I think I understand the end. He says - I won't be able to come and get you, don't worry about me, I'll be ok. The more natural thing to have said would have been - YOU'LL be ok. Which means he won't. He's left her with the food and left to join the rest in the auditorium to meet their communal fate of not enough food.

But to get to the whole game and the larger world that contains it. The game (as portrayed in the movie) was meant to model an atomized but interlocked, competitive and zero-sum system. There was the group of people who were supremely fit for their roles in their rooms; and the other group that was the opposite. As a portrayal of our highly specialized, interdependent, but atomized society with our zero-sum economy, I don't think it could have been any more clear.
But no matter which group, they weren't allowed to change the rules of the game, the most important of which was - there was not enough for everybody; and they weren't allowed to get out of the game.
You sort of got the idea that the guy running the game was crazed - didn't you? That he would have done ANYthing to keep the game going by adding more and more steps, more and more wrinkles, no matter what. No matter what happened to the people who came into his sphere of influence. Which I think is an exact parallel to our real world. Global warming, species extinction, international tensions and the proliferation of nuclear arsenals - it doesn't seem to have stopped the games of the 0.1%, has it?
The 'earthquake', the radio being knocked off the air, the midnight black in a room full of windows - to me that adds up to nuclear war.
So while the audience was transfixed with the media spectacle, the larger reality it was based on overtook everyone. KABOOM. Game over.

That's why I found it so nihilistic. The people have no connections with each other, don't understand their circumstances, and have no agency over them as individuals. They're trapped in an artificial and completely rigged game that no amount of thought or effort can change. And eventually the game plays them into the ground.

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Monday, January 4, 2016 3:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Whatever you just posted is a big black blank nothing....

Jokes on me I guess.... but I think you were actually trying to unsuccessfully tell me something?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 4, 2016 3:58 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

My bad... you figured out how to "Spoiler Alert" a whole discussion! Good on you!

By "My Generation" I think you might be mistaken about my age. I'm 36 going on 70 and my futile attempts at "global communication" were just as unsuccessful as yours might have been 10 years or so before mine. I'm an "old dog" here too...

Believe me, I was at the forefront of new Tech when I was 20, back in 1999, but I'm pretty wary of it now...

The end of The Vault was total Bullshit in my eyes. A great movie with so much potential and they copped out at the end. No questions answered and no real ending....

I actually still really like the ending, but you're left to your own devices to make your own ending of it.

After more than several FOX shows I loved that just died with no explanation, I joked that if I was making a show on FOX I would just sidetrack the entire story by having a nuclear explosion to end everything so no followup was needed.

Good for them for doing that. Especially since they had loyal followers for their show for 2 years straight before churning out that last 30 minute piece of garbage to them....

Fuck You. Life Sucks. Go Eat a Bag of Dicks....

That's what the creators of The Vault said to all of their fans after over 2 years of loyal watching. ;)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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