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Obama's NSA reforms- a thread by somone who really gives a sh#t about privacy, not a partisan hack

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 12:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The White House promised Friday that it was ending the NSA's most controversial surveillance program "as it currently exists." But make no mistake, it's still going to exist.

In fact, what President Obama has announced will have little operational effect on the National Security Agency's collection of Americans' data. And, significantly, the administration has attempted to dodge some of the biggest decisions, passing the ball to Congress, which will likely do nothing if recent trends hold.


In a previous thread (Obama the Evil Tyrant) I predicted that whatever reforms Obama would propose would be cosmetic.

First of all, Obama didn't touch on many of the programs that the NSA currently runs. For example, the two big software houses (Microsoft and Apple) have been working with the NSA to build in back doors and ensure "weak encryption", leaving anyone's encrypted data open to intrusion and modification. That is how Microsoft skated thru the Justice Department's prosecution for monopolistic behavior with minimal damage- the Justice Department asked for a new judge- twice- when two judges ruled "too harshly" by intending to break up Microsoft, because the NSA had a vested interest in a Windows monopoly. Since many big businesses and agencies- banks, power plants, online vendors, the military- have had their arms twisted into using Windows, this actually creates security holes: the very security holes that the NSA claims it is worried about.

The NSA vacuums up emails and texts. Not just "metadata"- the whole thing.

It has a very active hardware spy side as well: the NSA intercepts PC shipments to install spy hardware and software. It can monitor your PC from a distance by monitoring your USB lines (the lines that connect your keyboard, mouse, and printer to your PC). It even builds nifty USB sticks that act as locators which can be monitored by satellite. In fact, every scifi-ish thing that you can think of in some paranoid dystopian hallucination, the NSA is probably already doing. What Obama addressed was only the larger program which gained public attention: the bulk collection of metadata from everyone, everywhere.

So, what has Obama proposed? When evaluating such issues, I go to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), which has been fighting for your online rights for decades. In it, they give him a measly 3.5 points out of a possible 12.

They ranked him on the following points and were willing to give partial credit

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1. Stop mass surveillance of digital communications and communication records.
Score: .2
There are three types of mass surveillance that we know about that we were using to evaluate Obama’s promises in this category: surveillance of millions of phone records under Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act; surveillance of Internet communications internationally under Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act; and surveillance of communications overseas under Executive Order 12333.

In order to score a full point in this category, Obama would have needed to declare that the executive branch would no longer be using any of these authorities to engage in mass surveillance. He tackled only one of these issues somewhat: the surveillance of telephony metadata under Section 215 of the Patriot Act. Specifically, he acknowledged the recommendations of his review group that the government cease to collect and maintain a database of all Americans’ telephone records. He is ending that program, which is laudable. However, he left open the door to having telecom companies or another third party maintain a similar set of mass data, so even as to 215, we could not give him the full ? of the point.

2. Protect the privacy rights of foreigners.
Score: .3
All too often, the NSA’s official position is that foreigners—or anybody deemed sufficiently likely to not be a “U.S. person”—are not given any legal protections under surveillance laws. This situation is unacceptable and out of line with international human rights law, as we’ve put forth in our Necessary and Proportionate Principles, now supported by over 300 organizations worldwide. We demanded that individualized targeting be conducted for non-US persons.
Obama nodded a bit to this situation, and proposed that some reforms be made, but did not give real specifics. While he also did not acknowledge any legal obligations, he did recognize a “special obligation” on U.S. intelligence agencies, and specifically called out a new, higher standard on eavesdropping on foreign leaders. But that’s not enough: privacy consideration should not be a privilege afforded only to top officials. Given these small steps forward but ongoing problems, we’ve given Obama .3 points in this category.

3. No data retention mandate.
Score: 0
Obama’s review group recommended that the telephone metadata surveillance program be taken away from the government, suggesting that a third party or even telecom companies themselves be responsible for maintaining a searchable list of our calling records. This approach—mandating companies act as Big Brother’s little helper—won’t alleviate the serious privacy concerns with maintaining a digital record of every call we make.
We had hoped that Obama would make clear that he would reject any form of mandatory data retention. Instead, Obama acknowledged some of the concerns with a data retention mandate but called for “options for a new approach that can match the capabilities and fill the gaps that the Section 215 program was designed to address, without the government holding this metadata itself.” He never specifically rejected the idea of forcing companies or a third party to hold this data, and so he does not receive a point in this category.

4. Ban no-review National Security Letters.
Score: .5
The President gets half a point here, since he endorsed ending the permanent gag orders that accompany administrative subpoenas known as National Security Letters, under which the FBI can on its own demand information about you from your communications service providers. We still need specifics, and the details really matter—even fixed-length gags would violate the First Amendment, for example, and gags would still need to be approved by courts—but this was a good and necessary step. Obama didn’t get the other half, though, because he did not agree with EFF and his own review panel that NSLs should only issue after judicial approval. Early in 2014, EFF will ask the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to find, like the District Court for the Northern District of California already did, that the NSL statute is unconstitutional in its current form.

5. Stop undermining Internet security.
Score: 0
The NSA’s systematic efforts to weaken and sabotage the encryption and security technology make us all less safe. But in contrast to his review group’s recommendations to stop those practices, Obama was silent on the issue. That silence is disappointing, as this is a critical problem that has not just undermined the privacy of millions around the world, but poisoned our collective trust in institutions that depend most on it. Zero points.

6. Oppose the FISA Improvements Act.
Score: 1
The FISA Improvements Act seeks to codify into law the NSA’s controversial and illegal practice of collecting and storing the telephone records of hundreds of millions of Americans. While Obama’s administration had earlier indicated support for the bill, today’s announcement made clear that Obama was not going to support this program going forward and thus was not supporting the FISA Improvements Act. We would have preferred it if Obama had stated clearly that he would veto any bill that attempts to codify mass telephone metadata surveillance, but we felt this was good enough to merit a point.

7. Reject the third party doctrine.
Score: 0
The third party doctrine is an outdated and deeply problematic legal theory that wipes out many of the privacy protections we could otherwise enjoy. It’s the shaky foundation on which some of the most invasive programs by the NSA and other law enforcement agencies rest. Obama should have said that we have a reasonable expectation of privacy in data even though we’ve trusted third party service providers with it—instead, he was silent on the issue.

8. Provide a full public accounting of our surveillance apparatus.
Score: .5
In our criteria, we asked that Obama “appoint an independent committee to give a full public accounting of surveillance programs that impact non-suspects around the world” and that this committee “directly engage whistleblowers like Thomas Drake, William Binney, Edward Snowden and others, and include independent technological experts.” For this category, we awarded Obama with a half point because he did appoint his counsel, John Podesta, to lead “a comprehensive review of big data and privacy.” However, it remains to be seen whether this committee will actually provide a full public accounting or engage with the whistleblowers who have much to contribute.

9. Embrace meaningful transparency reform.
Score: 0
Fundamental to all of the problems surrounding NSA spying is the fact that the government’s notorious secrecy shields it from any sort of meaningful oversight or accountability. This appears, among other places, in the overclassification of documents that should not actually be secret, in the executive branch’s ruthless campaign against whistleblowers, and in its continued abuse of the “state secrets” privilege in the courtroom. Obama could have announced changes to these secrecy standards, embracing transparency as a default, and making some good on his now laughable election promise to be “the most transparent administration in history.” Instead we got nothing.

10. Reform the FISA court.
Score: 1
We gave Obama a full point for these reforms, since he embraced both independent advocates for the FISA court and an annual process of review of FISC decisions for declassification. While we would like the review to be more current, and there is much to be done to ensure that the independent advocacy panel has a real, unfettered role, Obama’s announcement indicated a good direction on both.

11. Protect national security whistleblowers.
Score: 0
Obama was clear: “One thing I’m certain of, this debate will make us stronger.” And there is little question that this debate would not have happened without the evidence brought to light by Snowden and other whistleblowers. It might seem that Obama would have some recognition that, but for these individuals, we would not be having this important debate.
Sadly, Obama’s speech today gave no indication of a change in strategy in his administration’s war on whistleblowers. If Obama welcomes this debate, he should stop his attack on the people who have risked so much to help make it happen.

12. Give criminal defendants all surveillance evidence.
Score: 0
It’s a cornerstone of our justice system that the accused have the right to see all the evidence against them. That made it very alarming when we learned that the NSA was collecting intelligence and then laundering it into criminal investigations by the Drug Enforcement Agency and other law enforcement groups. This practice conflicts with the protections enshrined in the Fifth and Sixth amendments, and should be stopped immediately. While Attorney General Holder has promised to review the cases, the Administration has not promised to ensure that everyone whose information was shared with law enforcement agencies by the NSA ultimately gets notice. Obama didn’t mention this necessary measure in his speech, and gets no points.

Overall, Obama has only slightly reeled in the intrusions that the government has made into your privacy, not only under his watch but all previous Presidents.

Obama is a control freak, as are most Presidents. There is no utility to this broad surveillance; but whatever sense of control this gives the President seems to be worth broadscale intrusion into our electronic lives.

I wish I could say I was disappointed, but this is pretty much what I expected. May as well be living under the Stasi.





https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/01/rating-obamas-nsa-reform-plan-ef
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Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:36 PM

BYTEMITE


I was annoyed by the remedy they proposed - they are allowed to gather the same amount and types of information, but have to have a court order to use it... Which isn't actually a change in policy. They're already supposed to have court orders for that. Which they don't do because there's no consequences otherwise.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:51 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


While I would argue about the comparison to the Stasi, I wasn't even slightly surprised. Same old, same old.

It's not just him, either; the Republicans don't want NSA curbed, nor do some Democrats...from last July:
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House rejects plan to curb NSA surveillence program

The House narrowly rejected a challenge to the National Security Agency's secret collection of hundreds of millions of Americans' phone records Wednesday night after a fierce debate pitting privacy rights against the government's efforts to thwart terrorism.

The vote was 217-205 on an issue that created unusual political coalitions in Washington, with libertarian-leaning conservatives and liberal Democrats pressing for the change against the Obama administration, the Republican establishment and Congress' national security experts.

The showdown vote marked the first chance for lawmakers to take a stand on the secret surveillance program since former NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden leaked classified documents last month that spelled out the monumental scope of the government's activities.

Backing the NSA program were 134 Republicans and 83 Democrats, including House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, who typically does not vote, and Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi. Rejecting the administration's last-minute pleas to spare the surveillance operation were 94 Republicans and 111 Democrats.

"Have 12 years gone by and our memories faded so badly that we forgot what happened on Sept. 11?" said Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the Intelligence committee, in pleading with his colleagues to back the program during House debate.

The unusual political coalitions were on full display during a spirited but brief House debate.

"Let us not deal in false narratives. Let's deal in facts that will keep Americans safe," said Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., a member of the Intelligence committee who implored her colleagues to back a program that she argued was vital in combatting terrorism. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23726773/house-rejects-plan-curb-nsa-surv
eillence-program



Obama would be fighting an uphill battle to do any actual curbing of the NSA, even if he wanted to. Politics as usual.


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Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I don't care whether Obama would be fighting an uphill battle. Uphill or not, he SHOULD be fighting it. What Obama proposes doesn't even fully reel back NSA expansions under HIS watch, let alone what it did under Bush. Instead, the NSA has gotten more money, more authority, and more legal cover under Obama. Did you read Obama's original excuse for NSA activities when they first came to light? It's not like he didn't think about it; after all, he had his AG write up an opinion. All he was interesting in was covering his ass, even if the paper was really really thin. And that big data center in Utah? We can thank Obama for that.

More importantly, he would have allies. But he's not seeing this as a fight. If he did, he would have asked Harry Reid to pull the plug on fillibustering judicial appointees years ago, and then the DC Appeals court would have been full of privacy-minded judges.

Obama's not really trying to change things. All he wants to do is keep the chair warm, with his ass in it. It doesn't matter who has has to pander to in order to keep it that way. He spends all of his energies on personal insecurities and petty vindictiveness. Please stop defending him, because he's not on your side.


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Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Pretty much "Yup" to everything you wrote. Where did I "defend" Obama??? I do NOT, I most definitely hold him just as accountable as every other politician in Washington for this bullshit. I merely pointed out that he's not the first, he won't be the last, and it's the way the game has always been played:
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In response to political scandal and public outrage, official Washington repeatedly uses the same well-worn tactic. It is the one that has been hauled over decades in response to many of America’s most significant political scandals. Predictably, it is the same one that shaped President Obama’s much-heralded Friday speech to announce his proposals for “reforming” the National Security Agency in the wake of seven months of intense worldwide controversy.

The crux of this tactic is that US political leaders pretend to validate and even channel public anger by acknowledging that there are “serious questions that have been raised”. They vow changes to fix the system and ensure these problems never happen again. And they then set out, with their actions, to do exactly the opposite: to make the system prettier and more politically palatable with empty, cosmetic “reforms” so as to placate public anger while leaving the system fundamentally unchanged, even more immune than before to serious challenge.

This scam has been so frequently used that it is now easily recognizable. In the mid-1970s, the Senate uncovered surveillance abuses that had been ongoing for decades, generating widespread public fury. In response, the US Congress enacted a new law (Fisa) which featured two primary “safeguards”: a requirement of judicial review for any domestic surveillance, and newly created committees to ensure legal compliance by the intelligence community.

But the new court was designed to ensure that all of the government’s requests were approved: it met in secret, only the government’s lawyers could attend, it was staffed with the most pro-government judges, and it was even housed in the executive branch. As planned, the court over the next 30 years virtually never said no to the government.

The same thing happened after the New York Times, in 2005, revealed that the NSA under Bush had been eavesdropping on Americans for years without the warrants required by criminal law. The US political class loudly claimed that they would resolve the problems that led to that scandal. Instead, they did the opposite: in 2008, a bipartisan Congress, with the support of then-Senator Barack Obama, enacted a new Fisa law that legalized the bulk of the once-illegal Bush program, including allowing warrantless eavesdropping on hundreds of millions of foreign nationals and large numbers of Americans as well.

This was also the same tactic used in the wake of the 2008 financial crises. Politicians dutifully read from the script that blamed unregulated Wall Street excesses and angrily vowed to reign them in. They then enacted legislation that left the bankers almost entirely unscathed, and which made the “too-big-to-fail” problem that spawned the crises worse than ever.

To be sure, there were several proposals from Obama that are positive steps. A public advocate in the Fisa court, a loosening of “gag orders” for national security letters, removing metadata control from the NSA, stricter standards for accessing metadata, and narrower authorizations for spying on friendly foreign leaders (but not, of course, their populations) can all have some marginal benefits. But even there, Obama’s speech was so bereft of specifics – what will the new standards be? who will now control Americans’ metadata? – that they are more like slogans than serious proposals.

Ultimately, the radical essence of the NSA – a system of suspicion-less spying aimed at hundreds of millions of people in the US and around the world – will fully endure even if all of Obama’s proposals are adopted. That’s because Obama never hid the real purpose of this process. It is, he and his officials repeatedly acknowledged, “to restore public confidence” in the NSA. In other words, the goal isn’t to truly reform the agency; it is deceive people into believing it has been so that they no longer fear it or are angry about it.

As is always the case, those who want genuine changes should not look to politicians, and certainly not to Barack Obama, to wait for it to be gifted. Obama was forced to give this speech by rising public pressure, increasingly scared US tech giants, and surprisingly strong resistance from the international community to the out-of-control American surveillance state.

Today’s speech should be seen as the first step, not the last, on the road to restoring privacy. The causes that drove Obama to give this speech need to be, and will be, stoked and nurtured further until it becomes clear to official Washington that, this time around, cosmetic gestures are plainly inadequate. Excerpts from http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/18/obamas-nsa-reforms-are-little-mo
re-than-a-pr-attempt-to-mollify-the-public
/


I tend to doubt that last paragraph, but the rest pretty much says it all.


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Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I guess my focus was in the wrong place. What I should have noticed was
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Obama would be fighting an uphill battle to do any actual curbing of the NSA, even if he wanted to.
My apologies, you are not defending Obama.


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Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, further info about the vulnerabilities of Windows-based transactions. As previously mentioned, Microsoft was given a free pass on monopolization of software in return for using "soft encryption" that the NSA could easily break. The monopoly of vulnerable software, used in power plants and grid distribution systems, military installations, retailers, banks, doctors' offices, and hospitals has created an environment replete with security holes - the kind of insecurity the NSA claims it's trying to protect us from.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/17/us-target-databreach-idUSBRE
A0G18P20140117


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(Reuters) - A cybercrime firm says it has uncovered at least six ongoing attacks at U.S. merchants whose credit card processing systems are infected with the same type of malicious software used to steal data from Target Corp... and Neiman Marcus are part of a wider assault on U.S. retailer customer data security.

On Thursday, the U.S. government and the private security intelligence firm iSIGHT Partners warned merchants and financial services firms that the BlackPOS software used against No. 3 U.S. retailer Target had been used in a string of other breaches at retailers - but did not say how many or identify the victims...

John Watters, chief executive of iSIGHT Partners, which is helping the U.S. Secret Service with its investigation into the attacks, said that he expects the pace of assaults on merchants to pick up. Copycats will pile on, using similar software, which can be purchased on underground forums, and similar techniques to launch attacks on retailers, he said. "They are saying: 'This is a great idea.'"

BlackPOS is a type of RAM scraper, or memory-parsing software, which enables cybercriminals to grab encrypted data by capturing it when it travels through the live memory of a computer, where it appears in plain text.

... It succeeded in evading detection by anti-virus software when it infected the Windows-based point-of-sales terminals at retailers like Target, according to the report that the government privately distributed to merchants on Thursday, which iSIGHT Partners helped prepare.




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Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, hoovering up of personal data BY BUSINESS is another thing I have a serious grotch about.

As for the Target breech, an estimated 110M people had their data hacked - not just from the pos data hoovering, but from online sales as well.

As of 2012 the US had 313M people. To account for time and make the estimating calculation easier, assume it's 330M. Assume 1/3 are children. That leaves 220M adults in the US. The Target data breach compromised the financial security of HALF of all adults in the US. Remarkable. The govt should go on full alert on this one, demanding that these systems be hardened. But I'm not hearing any noises to that effect. Are you?

Government and business - self-serving assholes both. But at least we have a leash on government through the power of the vote. Businesses are answerable to no one.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 6:29 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Very good point. Where's government surveillance in regard to that? It's mainly because they try to get away with doing as little as possible so as to make more money, but eventually they have to spend the money to upgrade their systems or risk losing huge business.

Spying on Americans is un-American, so counter freedom that it's not funny.
They must find a way, but it's true that this has been going on a while. Of course, there are those that put the blame strictly on Obama because that's the climate of today's politics. People forget that the Patriot Act made surveillance without borders possible and popular.


SGG


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, hoovering up of personal data BY BUSINESS is another thing I have a serious grotch about.

As for the Target breech, an estimated 110M people had their data hacked - not just from the pos data hoovering, but from online sales as well.

As of 2012 the US had 313M people. To account for time and make the estimating calculation easier, assume it's 330M. Assume 1/3 are children. That leaves 220M adults in the US. The Target data breach compromised the financial security of HALF of all adults in the US. Remarkable. The govt should go on full alert on this one, demanding that these systems be hardened. But I'm not hearing any noises to that effect. Are you?

Government and business - self-serving assholes both. But at least we have a leash on government through the power of the vote. Businesses are answerable to no one.


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Monday, January 20, 2014 10:39 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
"The vote was 217-205 on an issue that created unusual political coalitions in Washington, with libertarian-leaning conservatives and liberal Democrats pressing for the change against the Obama administration, the Republican establishment and Congress' national security experts."



Now that'd be an interesting third party.




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, January 20, 2014 12:48 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


That third party would never stick together. They would agree 100% on about 50% of the issues, and vehemently disagree on the other 50%. (And I don't mean "agree to disagree", I mean that their platforms and motives would be pulling hard in opposite directions.) There could be a coalition on certain common issues, tho.


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Monday, January 20, 2014 1:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So I hate to say "I told you so" because it does no good, and nobody likes to hear it, but many years ago I posted a rather extensive grotch about businesses hoovering up our data. Bank data. "Customer loyalty" cards. Phone number lists. This was even before Google and Facebook and LinkedIn and the host of other online 'services' started aggressively collecting our data.

A lot of times, the data is required for ordinary business (I recall Geezer asking Rue why the phone company has such extensive metadata on phone call, and Rue rather pointedly responding that it was for billing purposes.) but computers have created an unprecedented ability to collect, store, and analyze such data. In days past, the bits of paper would be tossed out after a year. THAT is the threat to privacy, not the collection of the data itself*.

I know that writing a law which requires businesses to stop collecting and storing such data would be DOA, but I did suggest that the pain-in-the-ass factor could be raised significantly by requiring that ANY company which keeps a database of personally-identifiable material (or material which can be examined to discover the personal identity) be required to send the subject a notification every single year describing the data which has been collected, allowing the subject to make corrections and deletions, and requiring that the signed notice be received by the data-collection company as proof that it was delivered. Got no traction there, nobody was interested.

* Same with surveillance. It used to be that in order to surveil someone- know their physical location and observe their activities- you used to have to have a human follow the subject. The pain-in-the-ass factor was so large that part of the "reasonable expectation of privacy" was guaranteed by the cost barriers to effective widespread surveillance, not whether or not someone was in plain sight in a public location. Now that we have GPSs on phones, tracking devices, cameras, and drones, surveilling someone has become barrier-free. The Justices really have not kept up with technology on this, and have allowed 21st intrusions because of 20the century thinking.

BTW- all PHYSICAL letter "metadata" - the "to" and "from" addresses on all envelopes and packages- are photographed, and the data stored by the USPS.


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Monday, January 20, 2014 3:25 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Not. Good. Enough.

Given that it's now PROVEN FACT that back in 1976 they snickered and laughed up their sleeve and went right on with this shit despite promising not to, do we really need to give them a SECOND free bite ?

Carpet bombing their HQ wouldn't be half enough for me.

Sure, right, we order them to play ball, and they ignore us, laugh at us and keep right on going - who's to stop em anyways, especially when they lie, obfuscate and even blackmail politicians to get their way ?

Fact: The gravest threat to all we hold dear, is and always has been, our so-called protectors.

As for businesses, you all DO know that the primary bitch of Google and the rest wasn't that the NSA was collecting this shit, so much as that they were stealing it without PAYING FOR IT, right - cause wasn't so long ago they used to just BUY this stuff from the Corpies, you know, so don't take the Corps as any sorta moral paragons here.

About the only thing that would satisfy me by now is public execution of the bosses in times square via boiling oil and the agencies in question being dissolved, outlawed and the employees charged and tried for Treason.

NOTHING less would be anything but political masturbation and shilling.

-Frem

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