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Big Animal Extinction Impoverishes Soil

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Monday, August 12, 2013 5:47 AM

NIKI2

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By about 10,000 years ago, nearly 100 species of large animals had been recently driven to extinction around the globe. This march of megafauna mortality coincides suspiciously with the arrival of another large animal in their vicinity: humans.

The die-off in South America included giant ground sloths and armadillo-like animals the size of cars known as glyptodonts. And the deaths seem responsible for the dearth of nutrients in Amazon rainforest soils today. So says a study in the journal Nature Geoscience. [Christopher E. Doughty et al, The legacy of the Pleistocene megafauna extinctions on nutrient availability in Amazonia]

Plainly put, these big animals disperse a lot of phosphorous in their feces. Once the big animals are gone, there's no way for the phosphorous to get from one part of the rainforest to another. As a result, the Amazon rainforest even today is struggling to recover from that loss of fertility.

Other parts of the world face the same poop paucity predicament, according to the researchers’ model. But the impact outside the Amazon was less severe, for reasons still unknown. What is clear is that the impact of extinction reverberates down through the millennia, a clear signal that we’ve been living in the Anthropocene for a while. http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=big-animal-ex
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Monday, August 12, 2013 6:20 AM

BYTEMITE


Well there's also something to be said for insane amounts of rainfall and soil leaching. I'd kinda always just assumed that rainforest plants were just adapted to poor soil conditions, since drainage is already a problem.

And I'm not sure that giant sloths really were getting much of anywhere, let alone that they got phosphorous all around the forest.

But it's an interesting idea with the other animals.

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Monday, August 12, 2013 6:40 AM

GEEZER

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Sort of ignores megafauna such as the American Bison, which managed to survive the wave of humans 10,000 years ago with little ill effect.

Also ignores the effect of glacial-interglacial climate change, which was occurring at that time, due to variations occurring around the end of the LGM (Last Glacial Maximum).


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Monday, August 12, 2013 6:49 AM

BYTEMITE


The bison didn't do too well against the wave of humans 200 years ago though.

So we do have an indisputable tendency to be able to make whole species die in a hurry if we feel like it.

Which... We usually do? I mean that's how we get the meats out of them.

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Also ignores the effect of glacial-interglacial climate change, which was occurring at that time, due to variations occurring around the end of the LGM (Last Glacial Maximum).



Hmmm. 10,000 years ago at the equator I'm not sure you'd have seen much effect from the transitional ice age period. You have to go back about a half-billion years before you see any glacial effects at the equator.

You mean like weather pattern wise? What's your hypothesis and line of reasoning cause and effect here?

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Monday, August 12, 2013 7:02 AM

BYTEMITE


Really there's some question whether megafauna was killed off by humans, climate change from glacial retreat, or a combination thereof. Some megafauna bones show signs of butchering via primitive tools, but that could also be a product of scavenging. It makes more sense for humans armed with spears to hunt animals more their size than elephant sized. But that is not to say it's impossible: the Inupiat hunt whale in the icy waters of the arctic, after all.

It does however amuse me that one of the most unnerving orthodontics display in the animal world was known as the 'smilodon.'

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Monday, August 12, 2013 7:05 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Just... lets not try to solve that issue by cloning Kaiju, cause that never goes well, yes ?

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Monday, August 12, 2013 7:43 AM

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And the deaths seem responsible for the dearth of nutrients in Amazon rainforest soils today.




I didn't know there was a "dearth of nutrients in the Amazon rainforest soils". It being the lush jungly rain forest with all those plants that it is, I woulda figure just the opposite.

Also, considering the slash and burn agriculture practiced by the native people there, that many developed-world groups deplore, I woulda thunk that those native people see it as richer than the bare land they've already got.

Beyond that, tho', I would accept the theory-- takes a whole bunch of bunny pellets to make up for one moose turd.

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