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Chris Christie-Rand Paul tiff on foreign policy reflects deep rift in GOP

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Friday, July 26, 2013 2:58 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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The foreign policy tussle between Chris Christie and Rand Paul, two likely 2016 Republican presidential contenders, marks the most public flaring of a long-simmering debate between the GOP’s long-time hawkish bent and the libertarian infusion the party has experienced in the last two election cycles.

When push comes to shove, do Republicans weigh in on the side of national security and foreign intervention or of privacy and greater international detachment? And which path will help grow a political party that even some of its leaders fear faces deep demographic challenges?

Of course, both Senator Paul (R) of Kentucky and New Jersey Governor Christie would argue their path does all those things – they just strongly disagree about how to proceed.

“This strain of libertarianism that’s going through parties right now and making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought,” Christie said on a panel in Aspen, Colo. on Thursday, according to the New York Times.

Later, he continued: “The next attack that comes, that kills thousands of Americans as a result, people are going to be looking back on the people having this intellectual debate and wondering whether they put …” before abruptly ending his thought.

In a Facebook post, Paul, who most famously launched an hours-long filibuster over domestic US drone use and who has pushed to cut off foreign aid to many restive Middle East nations, rejoined that “Chris Christie thinks freedom is dangerous. What's dangerous is a foreign policy that borrows from China to pay people who burn our flag in Egypt.”

Paul’s political Facebook page was less restrained, calling Christie “Obama’s favorite Republican” and wondering if the governor approves of sending weapons to “al Qaeda allies” in Syria.

While the tiff is a spot of positioning between two presidential contenders at either end of a particular policy debate, it’s also an argument that reverberates deep down into the Republican Party.

In Congress, there’s a stark divide between Team Christie and Team Paul.

Rep. Peter King (R) of New York, a former chairman of the Homeland Security Committee and a veteran foreign policy hawk, said he “isn’t saying no” to a potential presidential run in part because “when I see people like Rand Paul talking about drones killing people out to get a cup of coffee, I don't want that to be the face of the national Republican Party," he told The Hill. More at http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0726/Chris-Christie-Rand-Pa
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Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:43 AM

AURAPTOR

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The argument about further attacks ala 9/11/01 , and that some how THAT is a need for the govt to go snooping into the affairs of all Americans does seem, imo, a bit of a stretch.

" Connect the dots "

Fact is, the dots were all there before 9/11, and those in a position to do the actual connecting simply failed. ( Partly due to the wall of separation which was put in place by Clinton gal, Jamie Gorelick )


Both Chris and Rand do have good points to make. I think it's a honest, healthy debate to have.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:18 AM

WHOZIT


Are perverts like Filner, Weiner and Spitzer causing any deep riffs in the Demorat party, or are you libs OK with these sickos? Everytime 2 Republians don't agree on something it's a riff, when a Demorat does something sick or weird it's ignored by you and your whores in the MSM.

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gee, I guess FauxNews didn't get the message: "Libertarian-hawkish rift emerges in GOP debate over national security", http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/26/libertarian-hawkish-rift-emerges-
in-gop-debate-over-national-security/#ixzz2aGpP5590


or anyone else...

"Dispute Over Budget Deepens a Rift Within the G.O.P.", http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/us/politics/approach-to-debt-widens-
rift-among-gop-senators.html?_r=0


"Supreme Court Rulings Reveal Republican Rift On Marriage Equality", http://www.buzzfeed.com/katenocera/supreme-court-rulings-reveal-republ
ican-rift-on-marriage-equ


"House defeat of farm bill lays bare Republican rift", http://www.twincities.com/ci_23506573/house-defeat-farm-bill-lays-bare
-republican-rift


"GOP governors’ endorsements of Medicaid expansion deepen rifts within party", http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/gop-governors-en
dorsements-of-medicaid-expansion-deepen-rifts-within-party/2013/06/02/b4a42eb8-c7b9-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html


"Dispute Over Budget Deepens a Rift Within the G.O.P.", http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/us/politics/approach-to-debt-widens-
rift-among-gop-senators.html


"GOP Rift Grows Over Obamacare Funding", http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-defunding-budget-letters/20
13/07/26/id/517240


That's just the first PAGE of Googling "Republican rift", and only includes stories within the past couple of months. Googling "Democratic rift" brings just two stories:

"Rift Among Democrats Stalls Effort to Reverse Rise in College Loan Rates", http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/us/politics/democratic-rifts-stymie-
senate-bill-on-student-loan-rates.html


"Rift over military sex assault reform splits Dems", http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/25/democratic-unity-splinters-in-debate-ov
er-military-sexual-assault
/

Anyone who is silly enough to claim there is no--or even LITTLE--discord in the ranks of Republicans these days is, well, just a zit.


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Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...




Apparently some people can't read, either--or choose not to. Google "Democrats call on Filner (or Weiner) to resign", you get a whole page full. You can find a whole page full by Googling "TOP Democrats call on weiner to resign", too, and the same for Filner--the DNC CHAIR has called for his resignation.

Google "Democrats call on Spitzer" and you get a whole page of THOSE stories, including the fact that Sen. Gillibrand is backing HIS OPPONENT! There's also
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Prominent Democratic lawmakers yesterday railed against “Client 9” Eliot Spitzer — deriding the city-comptroller wannabe as a hypocrite and demanding he repay taxpayer funds he spent traveling to his infamous DC hooker tryst.

“We are sick and tired of the reality show and the double standards,” said Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr.

He and fellow political leaders hit the steps of City Hall to discuss Spitzer’s refusal to hand over his full tax returns — and instead sounded off on yesterday’s front-page Post report detailing how Spitzer soaked taxpayers for his travel bill for the Washington, DC, hooker hook-up that torpedoed his gubernatorial career.

“Eliot Spitzer, while serving in office, embarrassed New Yorkers, offended women, misused public resources,” said Bronx Assemblyman Marcos Crespo.

“Enough is enough,” Crespo said of Spitzer’s attempted political comeback. “If he was using public resources to get his services, or whatever it was, he should pay that money back — whatever that amounts to.”

The lawmakers yesterday at City Hall denounced Spitzer as a candidate with no respect for women or the law.

“Eliot Spitzer was patronizing an industry that denigrates women, that traffics women — an industry that promotes misogyny,” said Viverito. “This is critical. This is not the type of leadership that we should be having in the city of New York.”

“Human trafficking is an industry that Eliot Spitzer has promoted when he went out and sought prostitutes to satisfy himself in a way that is so undignified that he should never hold public office again,” said Queens Assemblyman Francisco Moya.

Brooklyn Councilwoman Diana Reyna criticized Spitzer for leading the fight against johns while he was secretly hiring hookers.

“What are we saying as a society when we see Eliot Spitzer give two faces to the city of New York — the face of ‘I can break the rule and I can make the rules’?” asked Reyna. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/payback_time_hZVt3TnhHpfI33wxlcyo1I
?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Local



Someone should suggest the Zit try Google sometime, it's really very useful when you want to know what's going on. But then he doesn't, really, does he? Nor does he know shit from shinola.


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Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Further from Christie:
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Opponents of government spying programs should talk to families who lost loved ones in the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said at a Republican governors forum Thursday.

Asked about the influence of libertarian-minded leaders in the GOP - including Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky - Christie said that when it comes to national security, those who oppose National Security Agency programs that monitor Americans' electronic activity were just wrong.

"This strain of libertarianism that's going through both parties right now and making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought," Christie said, referring to national security topics.

Christie acknowledged during the discussion that Paul, an outspoken critic of the NSA spying programs, was among the people who held opposing views.

"You can name any number of people, and he is one of them," he said.

The sharp denunciation from Christie elicited a similarly cutting retort from a senior adviser to Paul, the tea party favorite who is also considering a 2016 White House bid.

"If Governor Christie believes the constitutional rights and the privacy of all Americans is 'esoteric,' he either needs a new dictionary, or he needs to talk to more Americans, because a great number of them are concerned about the dramatic overreach of our government in recent years," Doug Stafford wrote in a statement.

Republicans questioned in a Quinnipiac University national poll conducted earlier this month were divided on the NSA anti-terrorism program, which scans domestic calls. Forty-nine percent supported it while 45% were opposed. More at http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/26/christie-nsa-critics-s
hould-talk-to-911-families/?hpt=hp_bn3



Nope, no rift there, you betcha!


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Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:07 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, I think I know what Christies issue is...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards



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