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Hunting as a Sport

POSTED BY: MAGONSDAUGHTER
UPDATED: Thursday, May 16, 2013 21:31
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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:58 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Or rather why I think it shouldn't be considered so.

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The slaughter embarrassed even the most hard-headed of hunters. More than 800 abandoned duck carcasses that shooters did not bother to pick up. At least 150 endangered ducks killed, many among Australia's rarest. And other dead birds - hawk-like whistling kites and black swans - that look nothing like ducks.

''It's terrible. It's absolutely disgraceful,'' said one of the state's leading duck-hunting advocates, Rod Drew, about the March shootings at the Box Flat private wetland near Boort, in the state's north-west.

The public, including everyone in Game Victoria, is disgusted by what happened and we don't condone it in any way. Any suggestion that we, myself included, failed to do our job, I totally refute that.

But a Fairfax Media investigation can reveal that the shooting spree - the likes of which Victorian authorities have not seen since the early 1990s - could have been prevented. Days before the incident, government officials were tipped off by a concerned hunter with a warning.
Rescuers from the Coalition Against Duck Shooting with a dead freckled duck at Box Flat wetland a week after the March cull.

This hunter, acting as an informant, told a Department of Sustainability and Environment official that Box Flat should be watched on the duck season opening weekend. Only a year before, in an incident never reported, trigger-happy shooters had gone to the remote wetland and shot birds indiscriminately.
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The shooters had ''shot the shit out of the joint, shot everything that moved'', the informant told the department. There was talk, the hunter added, that it would happen again.

But Game Victoria, the government body in charge of the duck season, said that while the tipoff was judged to have ''something in it'', the authority prioritised potential protester activity on the Saturday morning at nearby Woolshed Swamp. But compliance officers found no protesters there.

By the time they got to Box Flat, the hunters - between 50 and 150 - had been shooting for more than an hour. A landowner, who is furious about the incident but declined to be named, said this was when most of the damage had been done.

The compliance officers and police did no shoreline inspections on the Saturday. It was only when they visited on Sunday morning that they found the first of 147 dead freckled ducks, a rare species protected by Victorian law. The official tally, released to Fairfax Media by Game Victoria, included 561 pink-eared ducks and 136 grey teal ducks that hunters can legally shoot but illegally left behind.

Game Victoria director Simon Toop said the final tally could be higher and did not include the birds hunters took with them.

The government's failure to act on its tipoff raises questions about the oversight of Victoria's duck hunting season following the Coalition's pro-hunting reform.

This season, for the first time, the Department of Primary Industries and Game Victoria were fully in charge of hunter and protester compliance. In past years the more wildlife-friendly Department of Sustainability and Environment was the top agency.

Game Victoria, a new body set up by Agriculture Minister Peter Walsh, now calls the shots on what compliance officers should be doing. It is, say senior government sources, staffed with public servants who themselves hunt and have connections with hunting lobby groups Field and Game Victoria and the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia. These sources say the Box Flat incident showed Game Victoria was more interested in policing protesters than hunters.

Mr Toop said Game Victoria's decision to go first to Woolshed Swamp was because his priority was human life. With scarce resources, Mr Toop said he had to focus on wetlands where protesters might be. ''When [protesters] start going in there and confronting hunters it is just a dangerous mix …'' Mr Toop rejected a call from veteran anti-duck hunting campaigner Laurie Levy that he be sacked over the Box Flat incident.

''The public, including everyone in Game Victoria, is disgusted by what happened and we don't condone it in any way. Any suggestion that we, myself included, failed to do our job, I totally refute that.''

The incident was uncomfortable for Mr Walsh because it occurred in his backyard: within his electorate and on land of men whom he once played football and went to school with. But the minister said he was ''furious'' about the shooting. He shut down the wetland for hunting and said the individuals responsible should face the ''maximum penalties''.

Mr Walsh rejected any suggestion that the Box Flat incident was a result of his government's pro-hunting reforms. He said the people in charge of compliance were the same people from the Department of Sustainability and Environment who had run the season before. Game Victoria's actions after the tipoff were ''an operational matter'', he said.

The Box Flat investigation, headed by Game Victoria with the help of the Boort police and police detectives, is focusing on at least seven persons of interest. But shooters and landowners spoken to by Fairfax Media are not expecting the investigation to catch the culprits.

They said the shooters, many of whom left the site on the Saturday, were unlikely to dob each other in and it would be difficult to prove which hunter shot an endangered bird. One landowner said he would not identify anyone because he did not want ''guys with guns'' turning up on his property.

Locals are keen to point the finger towards Melbourne. ''I don't think they were local, no,'' said landowner and local councillor Neil Beattie. But investigation information seen by Fairfax Media show suspects are mostly local and many from Bendigo. A Bendigo man was interviewed at Box Flat for exceeding his bag limit.

Landowner Grant Weaver said he could not recall any problems at Box Flat during last year's season. ''There may have been people here last year that may have caused trouble but as far as I know there wasn't anything that untoward done.''

In last week's budget, Mr Walsh announced $8 million for a new Game Management Authority whose board will be at arm's length from the department. Mr Walsh said the new authority would provide better services to hunters and encourage growth in regional hunting businesses.

Field and Game Australia's Rod Drew said protesters should be investigated over the incident. He said it could be more than just a coincidence that the slaughter happened on the year that duck protesters had been sitting for firearm and game licence tests. He said the protesters could have shot the ducks ''to bring the shooters into disrepute''.

Greens MP Sue Pennicuik called on the government to explain how it allowed the shooting to happen. ''The fact that the government was officially warned about this incident makes a mockery of the minister's consistent claims that this activity is highly regulated and the regulations are enforced.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/animals/hunter-warned-of-bird-mas
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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:00 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


And then there is this charmer



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ROBERT BORSAK went to northern Zimbabwe to hunt elephants. On a two-week trip he killed several, including a bull elephant he shot in the head from a distance of six paces.

"My reflexes took over as the rifle fired … he went down, as if in slow motion," writes Mr Borsak in an article entitled Bulls in the Rain posted on the internet. "It was awesome. He did not know what had hit him."

Back in Australia, Mr Borsak has bagged another prize. The big game hunter and former vice-chairman of the Shooters Party is being paid $342 for each sitting day as chairman of the Game Council of NSW, one of 58 quangos which operate under the Primary Industries Minister, Ian Macdonald.

Mr Borsak hopes to run for the Shooters Party at the next election. If successful, he would join a party that now holds the balance of power in the upper house and is holding the Government to ransom after Mr Macdonald failed to negotiate through cabinet the right to shoot in National Parks.


It is an example of the kind of interests the embattled Mr Macdonald is accused of helping to protect in some of the committees and statutory bodies he oversees.

Mr Borsak is being paid $342 a sitting day for his part in regulating hunting in this state. Conservationists say the Game Council's only purpose is to win the Shooters Party votes.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/macdonalds-game-council
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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:58 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I don't see how it's a sport unless you give the game their own guns.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:35 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You and I agree!!!

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Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:06 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Comparing the guys who illegally shot and left ducks to the vast majority of hunters - or even calling these guys hunters - is quite a stretch. Sort'a like the standard tactic of finding one (place your choice of a group, race, or political party you don't like here) who's done something egregiously bad, and conflating it to all folks in that group.




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:13 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Now, when a ecosystem has the apex predator removed, or effectively so, I can buy into the idea that " some " hunting is acceptable . But elephants have no real predator .( save for rare cases that lions either hunt them or starve ).

Having seen a video where a pride of lions actually takes down an adult elephant...that's something I never even thought could happen. But it does.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:31 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'm not opposed to hunting per se. We have vermin species here than need keeping under control, and having few predator species left (killed off by hunting) we get over population in a lof of others.

I'm also not opposed for hunting for the pot, so long as you're not hunting endangered species or out of season.

^ That isn't sport.

Sports hunters too often do not eat the animals they kill. I wonder how many duck hunters, even ones that don't wreak the havoc that this jerks did, would even eat any of their shoot. And they bad a lot of birds.

Fox hunters traditionally let the hounds rip the fox to pieces alive.

Big game hunters take down beautiful beasts for no reason other than to collect their heads.

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Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Everyone has said pretty much what I would say, except that I truly can't fathom a person who enjoys plinking at live animals.

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