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How Viable Is Rand Paul for 2016?

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I like Nate Silver, and his track record is excellent. So I pay more attention to what he writes than many others.
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Perhaps no Republican has had a better 2013 than Rand Paul, the Kentucky senator who drew attention and praise for his talking filibuster against the C.I.A. director nominee John Brennan, then last week won the straw poll at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington. Then, on Tuesday, as my colleague Ashley Parker reports, Mr. Paul gave a speech to the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, outlining his plan for immigration reform.

Mr. Paul has been fairly explicit about his potential interest in running for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, so it is safe to assume that at least some of his actions are colored by his interest in positioning himself for the primaries and caucuses. But oddsmakers continue to list Mr. Paul as something of a long shot, giving him anywhere from 12-to-1 to 28-to-1 odds against winning the nomination.

Is Mr. Paul, in fact, a viable 2016 contender? Or, like his father, Ron Paul, is he someone who might expect to win the enthusiastic support of libertarian-leaning G.O.P. voters but who might otherwise fall well short of winning a plurality or majority of the Republican electorate?

It might help to step back and consider the Republican primary electorate as a whole. The historical norm has been that Republicans are more unified in picking a candidate, while Democratic nominees must struggle to cobble together a winning plurality from among the party’s diverse constituencies. However, it is less clear that this is true today. Republicans might not have as much diversity along racial or demographic lines as Democrats do, but there are several ideological constituencies within the party that could make it hard for any candidate to win the nomination by consensus.

The way that I’ve come to think of these Republican voting groups is illustrated in the diagram below, which resembles a series of interlocking “Olympic” rings. The idea is that there are five major constituencies within the party, which overlap to varying degrees.



One group consists of religious conservatives, a set of voters that once had tremendous influence in picking the Republican nominee but which have been played a more marginal role in the last two election cycles. (In 2008, Mike Huckabee had trouble drawing support beyond this group, as did Rick Santorum in 2012.) It remains plausible that the G.O.P. nominee in 2016 could rely on religious conservatives as a major base of support in the primaries while also appealing to other groups within the party — a model that worked successfully for George W. Bush in 2000. But if Republicans seek to de-emphasize social issues, seeing them as a potential liability in the general election, these voters could become more estranged from the rest of the party. A Republican nominee could probably not afford for these religious voters to take an openly hostile attitude toward him, but he might hope to appease them rather than expecting their enthusiastic support.

The next constituency consists of Tea Party conservatives — a group that is much talked about, but hard to define. There are some significant demographic and attitudinal overlaps between the Tea Party and the religious right: in fact, one reason the religious right may have become less influential in the Republican Party is because some of those voters have been captured by the Tea Party movement instead. At the same time, the Tea Party has placed much more emphasis on economic policy than on social issues.

The Tea Party also has a complicated relationship with the Republican establishment. On the one hand, it may have developed in part as a response to the perceived failings of Republicans in Washington, and it has produced frequent confrontations with the Republican establishment over nominations in races for Congress and for state’s governors. Rand Paul, who beat out the establishment candidate in his Republican senate primary in Kentucky with Tea Party backing, has been a hero of the Tea Party movement and even delivered their response to President Obama’s State of the Union address this year. On the other hand, some candidates like Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who once had the blessing of the Tea Party, have now become members in good standing of the Republican establishment. Candidates who might seek the nomination with support from the Tea Party wing of the G.O.P. need to toe a fine line between invoking its populist spirit and avoiding being seen as threatening to other coalitions within the party or to its chances of winning a November election.

Next are libertarian conservatives — the group that Mr. Paul may be most identified with. It has become fashionable to apply the term “libertarian” to almost any group that takes a more conservative attitude toward fiscal policy than toward social policy and generally takes a non-interventionist view of foreign policy. In practice, there aren’t all that many voters (and there are even fewer politicians) who take truly liberal stances toward social policy while at the same time holding strongly conservative positions on economics — and, in fact, Mr. Paul holds quite conservative stances on some social issues, like abortion. But there are a substantial number of voters who take very conservative stances on economic policy while holding moderate ones on social policy; these voters tend to identify as Republicans. There are also voters who hold very liberal views on cultural issues but who have centrist positions on economic policy. These voters may have once have identified as “Rockefeller Republicans, but are now more likely to align themselves with independents or Democrats and are unlikely to vote in large numbers in the Republican primaries.

In contrast to the libertarian conservatives, moderate or reform-minded Republicans take some explicitly centrist positions on both economic and social policy. This constituency has been diminishing as the Republican party grows more conservative. Still, there are some moderate Republicans out there, and they have not entirely been subsumed by the libertarian wing of the party; in the 2012 Ohio Republican primary, for example, about 30 percent of voters identified as moderate or liberal but did not vote for Ron Paul, while roughly 25 percent did so in Florida.

As is the case for candidates from the other constituencies, those in the G.O.P.’s moderate wing must avoid alienating the rest of the party. John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 were able accomplish this: Mr. Romney by simply abandoning many of the moderate positions he had once held in Massachusetts, and Mr. McCain by branding himself as a patriotic “maverick” at a time of national emergency. But other candidates, like Rudolph W. Giuliani in 2008 and Jon M. Huntsman Jr. in 2012, were unable to expand their support beyond the most left-leaning G.O.P. voters and their campaigns ended quickly as a result. (I would argue that Chris Christie is on the Giuliani-Huntsman trajectory while other candidates like Jeb Bush, the onetime Florida governor, might have more success in appealing to both moderate and conservative Republicans in 2016.)

Last but not least are the establishment Republicans. The establishment label has become much maligned at a time when the G.O.P. party brand is unpopular, but this remains a highly desirable position for someone seeking the Republican nomination.

What defines an “establishment” Republican? As with the other categories, this gets tricky. A literal definition might be someone who exerts power or authority as a member of the Republican “team” — as opposed to an outside activist or agitator who is seeking to rebuild the party from its foundations. A more pragmatic definition might be someone who is viewed as reliably conservative without being dangerous or extreme: the “sweet spot” of the most conservative electable candidate.

Candidates from the establishment wing of the party are natural coalition builders, seeking to satisfy (or at least pacify) the other Republican constituencies. As such, they have an advantage in the nomination process, which is inherently a coalition-building exercise. In addition, these candidates potentially have the resources of the party establishment at their disposal, including access to cash, staff talent and endorsements from key party officials. The political science literature presents good evidence that these factors often precede and predict popular support. They also equip a candidate to survive a prolonged nomination process that might drain the resources of other candidates.

What are the disadvantages to running as an establishment candidate? This positioning does not absolve a candidate of requiring some political dexterity; if he is too clumsy in balancing the party’s various coalitions off against one another, he may come to be seen as unprincipled. Moreover, because it is generally desirable to run as the establishment candidate, the space is likely to be crowded and competitive; a candidate can run the risk of being everyone’s second choice and failing to gather any momentum as a result, a fate that befell Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota in 2011.

As the nomination process evolves, the candidates will hope to expand beyond their natural base of support into the neighboring constituencies. As I mentioned, for example, Jeb Bush might seek to win the support of both establishment Republicans and the party’s moderate wing — or Mr. Rubio might hope to win the support of the establishment Republicans and the Tea Party. Other coalitions — those that do not overlap on the diagram — are unlikely to make for natural pairings. For instance, it is hard to conceive of a candidate who would simultaneously be the ideal choice for both moderate Republicans and the religious right.

A candidate becomes a cinch to win the nomination if he wins the support of three of the five coalitions, a majority. However, two of the five may also suffice if no other candidate can build support outside his group. In 2012, for example, Mr. Romney often lacked the support of the religious right (who preferred Mr. Santorum), libertarians (who preferred Ron Paul) and Tea Party Republicans (who flirted with various alternatives). But he cleared the field of moderate candidates, and of other candidates who were acceptable to the G.O.P. establishment, and won the nomination as a result.

As for Rand Paul, he begins with one significant advantage: he is unlikely to be challenged for the loyalty of G.O.P.’s libertarian wing. This is not to say that there is nothing a libertarian might find fault with in Mr. Paul; his position on same-sex marriage, for instance, is unlikely to be deemed acceptable by left-leaning libertarians. But the types of libertarians who vote in the Republican primary are a more conservative group and are unlikely to find any better alternatives, particularly given that most politicians in both parties behave as though social issues, economic issues and foreign affairs all exist within a single ideological dimension.

What we may be witnessing, then, is an effort for Mr. Paul to expand his support into some of the other Republican constituencies. His recent call for immigration reform, for instance, while compatible with his libertarian principles, could also appeal to voters from the G.O.P.’s moderate wing. In contrast, it might be less helpful with the Tea Party voters, whose support he will hope to win.

Unlike some “insurgent” candidates of the past, Mr. Paul seems interested in participating in the “invisible primary,” a process that is traditionally associated with establishment candidates. He will be the headline speaker at May’s Lincoln Dinner hosted by the Republican Party of Iowa, for example, just the sort of thing that might help him to win some key endorsements there three years from now.

Mr. Paul is also sure to get his share of push-back from establishment Republicans; Mr. McCain, for example, criticized his recent filibuster.

But Mr. Paul at least seems to demonstrate the interest in expanding his support beyond libertarian conservatives, something his father rarely did, and he will have three years to experiment with how to find the right formula. That doesn’t make him as likely a nominee as a more traditional candidate like Mr. Rubio, Jeb Bush or Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin. But his odds look better than the 20-to-1 numbers that some bookmakers have placed against him. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/how-viable-is-rand
-paul-for-2016/


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Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:26 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


So Silver's conclusion is "longshot, but not 20 to 1 longshot." If Paul can pull it off, that would be a blot on Silver's rep.

But it gives Paul a better shot than my estimate: DOA, because he's the fave of an extremist, outsider faction.

It'll be fun to watch: it had better be, to keep the viewers interested for 3 years.

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:28 AM

HKCAVALIER


Not.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:44 AM

HERO


In a world filled with Bush's and Clintons, Rand Paul would have the distinction of being the first person in his family to run for President.

I note for the record that some people may not appreciate the long running joke I've been making on the long running joke Ron Paul.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:51 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I think he's a lightweight. The Democrat-controlled Senate gives him, as a minority politician, cover and notoriety to occasionally go 'rogue' and grab a headline. If I see him take on the establishment Republicans in a serious manner, including the inept RNC itself, I'd be willing to give him a serious look.

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:24 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Not.


^ This.

He's a creep, and the more media exposure he gets, the more obvious it becomes.

And you saw how well that worked for Romney.

-F

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:49 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Randy Paul will beat J.E.B. Bush as long as Randy continues to suck the sodomite penis of Obama, Bushes and Rothschilds.

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Fitting that joo Silver used the Olympic logo designed by joo Adolf Hitler.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/16/torch-nazis-lit-ol
ympic-flame




"What luck for rulers that men do not think."
-Adolf Hitler Shicklegruber Rothschild, mastermind of false-flags Operation Reichstag Fire, Opperation Himmler, Operation Canned Goods
http://brainmind.com/Hitler.html

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Friday, March 22, 2013 2:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)










"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, March 22, 2013 6:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gee, whiz, Mike; that information should make the right wing just DROOOOOL over him! "Personal liberty" translates to them as "leave my money alone, but give me every break I want so I, too, can be Big Something!!"


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Friday, March 22, 2013 6:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Is the question whether Rand Paul might win the Republican nomination? Or is the question whether Rand Paul might win the Presidency?

I think there's a pretty good chance that Rand might win the nomination. The Republican party is in the process of imploding. The party cannot find a coherent storyline to tell its various factions, and the party's recent nominating history shows that populist pressure will bouy up some of the unlikeliest candidates who will actually make it far into the process. Under those circumstances, any candidate might win.

Winning the Presidency requires that you not piss off Big Money too much. Randy has got that in the bag, because if there's one thing that Randy stands for, it's an oligarchy of Big Money. (In that way, he's like the rest of the Republicans. The only difference between Rand Paul and the rest of the pack is that he's more open about it.)

OTOH, winning the Presidency means that you have to get past that serious impediment called The Vote. What does that mean???

Right now, about 60-70% of the population as polled would probably vote against Randy-man. But there are ways to get that closer to 50-50%:

Delete people from the voter rolls.

Redistrict or recalculate the electoral college in your party's or state's favor. (I find it unconscionable that Wyoming gets five times as many electoral votes per person as California.

Reduce the number of polling places and times to make voting impossible for working people.

Blitz the media with (expensive) non-stop negative campaigning to turn off middle-roaders.

Even with all of that, I don't see Randy-man getting elected. He'd have to engage in downright vote fraud- like GWB did- in order to win.


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Saturday, March 23, 2013 7:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, November 23, 2015 7:52 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


his dad does read into a lot of conspiracy stuff...but maybe all is not wacky conspiracy




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Monday, November 23, 2015 11:25 PM

ELVISCHRIST



Who?

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Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:54 AM

REAVERFAN


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Who?

LOL!

I miss NIKI2. Haven't seen her posting lately.

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Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:36 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Who?





It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, November 26, 2015 2:19 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


I think Siggy haz it rite.

You coud consevably get Triumph the insult comic dog elected in the current climate. The GoPS are that stupid & krazy and the % uv apathetic Demz iz hi enuf to keep their nominee from winning.

And I think Triumph woud be a better prez than any uv the GoP contenderz, including Oppie!

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