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Algerian crisis, by the numbers

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Friday, January 18, 2013 1:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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What we know - and don't - about Algeria hostage situation

Reporting on militants' seizure of workers at a natural-gas complex in eastern Algeria has been a special challenge, in part because outside journalists need a visa and accreditation before they can enter the country.

Access to live information from the Sahara Desert facility – which British Prime Minister David Cameron this week noted was "one of the most remote places in the world" and about "18 hours by road from the capital, Algiers" – is hard to come by, and conflicting accounts have emerged about the hostages and other aspects of the story.

WHAT OFFICIAL SOURCES SAY

Initial attack on Wednesday

– The incident began when militants attacked workers who were traveling from In Amenas gas field to the In Amenas Airport early Wednesday, Algerian Interior Minister Diho Weld Qabilyeh told Algerian state television. Two people, an Algerian and a Briton, were killed in that attack, according to Algerian and British officials.

– After security forces accompanying the workers returned fire, the militants went to the gas installation itself and took hostages, Qabilyeh told Algerian state television.

– The remote gas field, about 37 miles west of the Libyan border and about 800 miles from the Algerian capital, Algiers, is run by "a joint venture of the Algerian national oil company Sonatrach, (Britain's) BP and (Norway's) Statoil," according to BP.

Initial hostage situation

– The militants, equipped with AK-47 rifles, reportedly put explosives-laden vests on some of the hostages, a U.S. State Department official said.

– While Algerian media reports indicated that militants initially had hundreds of hostages, including dozens of foreign workers, CNN doesn’t have from official sources clear information on the number and the nationalities of the people who have been held.

– Officials from the United States, the United Kingdom, Norway, France, Malaysia, Japan and Ireland have said their nationals were among those involved.

Algerian military attacks; more casualties; some hostages escape

– On Thursday, Algerian forces attacked the militants as they were preparing to move the hostages in vehicles, Algerian Communications Minister Mohamed Said told state television.

– Thursday’s military operation left an unspecified number of people dead and injured, Said told state television.

– One French citizen was killed and three others were saved in the operation to free hostages, the press office of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Paris said Friday.

– However, since Wednesday, some people have been freed or have escaped. Ireland’s government confirmed that one of its citizens, Stephen McFaul, escaped Thursday.

– McFaul made a break for freedom after a vehicle he was in – one of several targeted by Algerian fighters – crashed, with his captors’ explosives still around his neck, his brother Brian McFaul told CNN from Belfast.

– Before Thursday’s military raid, some hostages had disguised themselves to escape, according to Regis Amoux, chief executive of the CIS catering firm that had 150 workers who were freed.

– The United States on Friday was evacuating between 10 and 20 people, a U.S. defense official told CNN. They will be taken to U.S. facilities in Europe, the official said, and the condition of those who are injured will be assessed.

– BP said Friday that a "small number of BP employees" are still unaccounted for, while Statoil said the fate of eight of its employees at In Amenas was still uncertain. Nine other Statoil workers who were at the plant are safe, it said.

– By Thursday night, some Americans had been freed and had spoken with relatives back home, while others remained unaccounted for, U.S. officials said.

– A State Department official told CNN Wednesday that the abductors are demanding that members of their group who are being held prisoner elsewhere be released and sent to northern Mali. U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Friday that the United States will not negotiate a prisoner exchange with the militants. CNN has not confirmed whether any Americans still were being held.

WHAT CNN HAS REPORTED, CITING OTHER NEWS MEDIA

Number of dead

– Twelve hostages have been killed since the Algerian military launched a ground operation on Thursday, the official Algerian news agency said, quoting a security source.

– State-run Algerian Radio cited an official source as saying that the major military raid that was launched Thursday was over, but that there was "ongoing activity at various locations" near the plant.

Number of hostages

– Hundreds of people, including hundreds of Algerian workers and 132 foreign workers, were taken hostage Wednesday, according to the state-run Algerian Press Service. CNN has not independently confirmed the numbers.

– By Friday, 650 hostages have been freed by the Algerian military, according to the state-run Algerian Press Service. Of the 132 foreign workers taken, 100 were released, the agency said. CNN has not independently confirmed the report.

– The Al-Mulathameen Brigade initially said that 41 “Westerners, including seven Americans, (as well as) French, British and Japanese citizens have been taken hostage,” the Mauritanian News Agency and Sahara Media report.

Islamist militants claim responsibility

– The Al-Mulathameen Brigade, which is associated with al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, claims responsibility for the attack, according to media in the region.

– A spokesman for Al-Mulathameen told media in the region that the militants claimed to have carried out the operation because Algeria allowed French forces to use its airspace in attacking Islamist militants in Mali. (However, a U.S. official told CNN that the operation’s sophistication suggests that it likely was planned well in advance of France’s Mali action.)

UNANSWERED QUESTIONS

– How many people were taken hostage?

– How many people have been killed?

– Is the attack directly related to the fighting in Mali, as the militants claim? http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/18/what-we-know-about-the-hostage-si
tuation-in-algeria/?hpt=hp_t2


I sincerely pray that the number of those killed is low, please, please, please.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 8:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I'd rather hope so too - I would decry the taking of hostages, but unfortunately thanks to Gitmo, Abu Gharib, and other darker sites we no longer have the moral high ground to do so.

What a freakin mess.

-F

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

I'd rather hope so too - I would decry the taking of hostages, but unfortunately thanks to Gitmo, Abu Gharib, and other darker sites we no longer have the moral high ground to do so.

What a freakin mess.

-F



Gitmo does not = Abu Ghraib,and none of any of that has a damn thing to do w/ the situation in Algeria. We absolutely do have the moral high ground over those animals who'd take hostages and murder in the name of Allah, and it's a pathetic weakness to claim we don't. Really pisses me off when idiots try to blame the victims of crimes these jihadists are guilty of in the first place.

I'm surprised our govt hasn't blamed this on another YouTube video no one's seen.

" If we were only NICE to them, they'd be nice to us! "

BULLSHIT! They have no intentions on being " nice " to anyone. THEY have waged a war on the West, and until more folks get that through their thick skulls, this stuff will ALWAYS go on, as it HAS gone on, long before 9-11.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, from the lack of interest in this and the debt-ceiling thing, I'm guessing many (most?) of us are so absorbed in discussing guns that other Real World Events are of no interest. Interesting...

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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The Algerian military operation to end a deadly hostage crisis at a remote gas plant in Algeria is over, British and Norwegian officials said Saturday.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said they were still pressing the Algerian government for full details, but that the last assault by Algerian forces had resulted in more deaths.

"The loss of lives as a result of these attacks is appalling and unacceptable. We must be clear that it is the terrorists that bear sole responsibility for it," Hammond said.

"Their actions can never be justified and we remain determined to fight terrorism and to stand with the Algerian government."

Speaking alongside Hammond, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the information was still "sketchy" and he was unable to confirm how many Americans were there and what had happened to them.

Svein Michelsen, spokesman for Norway's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said his country had confirmation the military offensive was over but gave no details.

Norway's Statoil is the joint owner of the huge desert gas plant overrun by militants Wednesday.

The announcement came on the heels of Algerian state media reports that seven hostages and 11 militants had been killed in what was described as a "final" assault to dislodge the terrorist group.

The Algerian Radio report did not specify the nationalities of those killed. CNN is unable to verify the state media figures on the deaths.

The total number of hostages killed or injured at the In Amenas complex remains unclear. More at http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/19/world/africa/algeria-hostage-crisis/inde
x.html?hpt=hp_t1


So I guess it's over. I wonder how long it will take before we know the details?

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 9:01 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



We're still waiting on the details from Fast and Furious , and Benghazi.

Don't hold your breath on this one.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 2:55 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Nice that we're helping the French fight Islamic terrorists in Mali. Next up are the Marines helping Richard Simmons get his tupperware back from his former roommate Andre.



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Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:38 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I hate how when I hear about something current events related I turn on the news and no one's talking about it, they're all too busy talking about the stories they _want us to hear, rather than reality stories that are affecting real people both locally and abroad. People at church were talking about how the situation in Mali is getting more dangerous so I hoped to hear about it on the news tonight. Barely a lick of info there.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 21, 2013 1:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA



That's one reason I treasure the internet, cause rather than being force fed the fluff and propaganda THEY want you to hear, you can go dig deep and hard and find out yourself.

For me there's just not a lot to say to this mess, it's awful all around, and I can't seem to figure out what the specific intentions of the aggressors in this case might have been cause most of the info is conflicting.

Of course, being that it's BP - there's some bad blood with Islam there going back to 1953 and helping turf Mossedeigh and install The Shah, too, but I think there was something more than grudge match behind this, and I suspect it might be a prelude to basically using our petroleum dependance as a chain to strangle us with.

-Frem

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Monday, January 21, 2013 6:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Riona, that's strange. Every station I listen to is full of it. Hmmmm...

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 8:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


As of today:
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At least 37 foreign hostages and an Algerian died in the terrorist seizure and ensuing special forces assault on an natural gas plant in Algeria, the country's prime minister said Monday.

Five other hostages are missing from the In Amenas complex and could be dead, Prime Minister Abdul Malek Sallal said.

Among the dead were three Amercians, according to a senior U.S. administration official who confirmed two of the deaths Monday. One American had been previously confirmed as having died in the attack. More at http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/21/world/africa/algeria-hostage-crisis/inde
x.html?hpt=hp_t3



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