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Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's no one's " fault ", it simply IS how things are.

A gift for you:

http://www.unlimitedchoice.org/blog/meditations/perception-vs-reality/

Merry belated Christmas.

sincerely, 1933

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Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Sorry Arlo, but this has more to do with why people believe weird things.

Michael Shermer wrote the book, if you're interested.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:23 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

This is a great video.

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Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:45 PM

ARLO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry Arlo, but this has more to do with why people believe weird things.

Michael Shermer wrote the book, if you're interested.

Til now, I never suspected you had it in for PN.

sincerely, 1933

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Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Huh?

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:49 PM

ARLO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Huh?

“Blessed are the dumbfucks.”

~

“It's wildly irritating to have invented something as revolutionary as sarcasm, only to have it abused by amateurs.”

~

“It’s sarcasm, Josh.”

“Sarcasm?”

“It’s from the Greek, sarkasmos. To bite the lips. It means that you aren’t really saying what you mean, but people will get your point. I invented it, Bartholomew named it.”

“Well, if the village idiot named it, I’m sure it’s a good thing.”

“There you go, you got it.”

“Got what?”

“Sarcasm.”

“No, I meant it.”

“Sure you did.”

“Is that sarcasm?”

“Irony, I think.”

“What’s the difference?”

“I haven’t the slightest idea.”

“So you’re being ironic now, right?”

“No, I really don’t know.”

“Maybe you should ask the idiot.”

“Now you’ve got it.”

“What?”

“Sarcasm.”

~

“You see," I explained to Joshua, "what (Rap) is doing is ironic, yet that's not (his) intent. That's the difference between irony and sarcasm. Irony can be spontaneous, while sarcasm requires volition. You have to create sarcasm."

"No kidding?" said Josh.

"Why do I waste my time with you?”

- Christopher Moore, Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal (apologies for a slight edit)

sincerely, 1933

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Friday, January 11, 2013 1:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Storymark:

Are you okay, Chris? You're displaying stroke-like symptoms, all of a sudden...
Yeah, I'm okay, just tryin' not to come down on AU so hard any more since the way he sees things ain't his fault.

It's no ones " fault ", it simply IS how things are.

And while Family Guy is humorous, I find it a bit sad that so many view a cartoon as their source for how to view the world. Same goes for COMEDIANS John Stewart of Steven Colbert. They're funny guys, court jesters. I could see Dennis Miller as being every bit the sage as either one of them, but I guess because he's not a Lefty, he's not cool anymore.

"Anymore"?

Do you find it equally sad that so many get their "news" from such sources as Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Breitbart, Glenn Beck, and other circus clowns and court jesters?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, January 11, 2013 3:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Arlo, it just wasn't that funny, is all.

That was why the 'huh'.

Sometimes, you commit to a joke, and it fails. Just accept it, and move on. No need to get whiny about it, because... well, there just isn't.

And Kwickie, you poor, simple minded lost soul....

Limbaugh, Colbert, Stewart, O'Reilly... all have one thing in common. They're entertainers. None of them claim that they are news journalists ( though these ddays, w/ the bias of the MSM , it's harder and harder to tell the difference )

At least those on the Right will be honest w/ the audience, and remind them of that point, from time to time. Stewart and his followers, I really do believe that THEY believe he's every bit as much a 'news' guy as there is, and forget that he's a COMEDIAN, or as they were called in ancient Rome, a BS artist.

Breitbart is every bit a serious news outfit as MSNBC. So you tossing that in there w/ the others is flat out nonsense.

But then, that's what you do.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, January 11, 2013 8:17 AM

ARLO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Arlo, it just wasn't that funny, is all.

That was why the 'huh'.

Sometimes, you commit to a joke, and it fails.

Meh. Can't please 100% all the time, especially the butt. ;0)

sincerely, 1933

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Friday, January 11, 2013 11:50 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Limbaugh, Colbert, Stewart, O'Reilly... all have one thing in common. They're entertainers. None of them claim that they are news journalists ( though these ddays, w/ the bias of the MSM , it's harder and harder to tell the difference )

Colbert and Stewart are satirists. They use comedy to make serious political statements.
Limbaugh appears to be some a hard right commentator. We call them shock jocks here, they aren't meant to be funny.
Don't know O'Reilly.

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Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by ARLO:
HAD YOUR PIC HERE, BUT IT SCREWED UP VIEWING OF THE POST

"Supply and Demand" virtually died the second the first insurance policy was sold to the first idiot. I know we all literally live and die by insurance today, but back in the day there was the rule of "luck" or what the Liberals can identify as "Survival of the Fittest".

When my brother, who I've posted about here many times before, had a brain Hemmorhage back in 1987, not only did he have unprecedented neuro-surgery that has been written about, but he spent 3 months in the hospital on one of their beds and had loads of physical therapy after he woke up (a month later).

Take a guess at what that final bill to my parents insurance companies was.........

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Just over $100,000 dollars!

Granted, this was several years before Jose Conseco was the first sports star to make a MILLION dollars a year.

But really...... 3 months..... pysical therapy.... NEUROSURGERY?????????

100K????????

Flash forward to "Today"......

What did the same brother's most recent trip to the hospital cost and why was he there?

He was there because he swallowed a bottle of pills I believe he was smart enough to know that wouldn't kill him, but would at the same time garner enough guilt to keep him on the dole.

He spent only 10 days in the hospital afterward, no surgery of any kind involved.

His bill for being babysat on a hospital bed for 10 days with ZERO surgery????

Over 70 thousand dollars!!!!!! Thousands above what my house cost me!!!!!

Funny story.... even though my family is as close to 100% white European heritage as is possible, my Dad got the hospital bill forgiven based off of the fact that he'd never in a million years be able to pay that off. It's a tax write off for them....

We live in a world where prices are simply "made up" because insurance policies allowed that.

If there was never insurance, there would never be inflated prices to the supply and demand curve.

Seriously man... where do you think that 9/10ths of the Federal Debt came from?

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Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Bill O'Reilly, Magons, has stated clearly in the past: :

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I’m a rodeo clown,’ he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, “It takes great skill.” “He added later: “I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’“

As to Jon Stewart:

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when Wallace and Stewart debate the level of "political commentary" in a recent Daily Show clip comparing a Sarah Palin video and herpes commercials. "You're insane," Stewart says when Wallace calls the bit clear political commentary. "Here's the difference between you and I. I'm a comedian first. My comedy is informed by an ideological background, there's no question about that. But the thing that you will never understand...I'm not an activist. I am a comedian. And my comedy is informed by ideology, there is no question. But I am not an ideologue."

When Wallace latched onto Stewart's routine of explaining himself as being only a comedian, Stewart lashed back. "I said I'm a comedian first, I never said I'm only a comedian. Being a comedian is much harder than what you do. Being a comedian I put material though a process, a comedic process."

The whole debate is actually pretty interesting, and really gets going further in when Stewart seems genuinely angry with Wallace over the way Fox handles actual news. "The embarrassment is that I'm given credibility in this world because of the disappointment that the public has in what the news media does," he said. "Who are the most consistently misinformed media viewers? The most consistently misinformed? Fox, Fox viewers, consistently, every poll." Video at http://gothamist.com/2011/06/20/video_jon_stewart_says_the_times_bi.ph
p]

That about sums it up for both of them, tho' I, too, would call Jon more of a satirist than comedian. Colbert is DEFINITELY a satirist; it's his entire schtick. As to Limbaugh:
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MICHAEL STEELE: Rush Limbaugh, the whole thing is entertainment. Yes, it's incendiary, yes, it's ugly --

RUSH: I am an entertainer, and I have 20 million listeners, 22 million listeners because of my great song-and-dance routines here. Yes, said Michael Steele, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, I'm incendiary, and yes, it's ugly. Much more of Rush's rant at http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2009/03/02/a_few_words_for_michael_s
teele]
Limbaugh is an "entertainer" in the same way all shock jocks are entertainers, because you're right, that's what he is: a shock jock. He certainly doesn't do it with humor, he does it with anger, but some apparently find that entertaining. And some take him at his word, which is truly scary.

When it comes to Glenn Beck, you'll rarely find him saying it, but he did once:
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Beck insists that he is not political: "I could give a flying crap about the political process." Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. "We're an entertainment company," Beck says. Much more at http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0426/entertainment-fox-news-simon-sc
huster-glenn-beck-inc.html?boxes=Homepagechannels

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:34 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We live in a world where prices are simply "made up" because insurance policies allowed that.

THIS:
http://www.comfortoandp.com/prosthetic_products/regal_prosthetic_sock.
html
Actual value, about $8-$13

Insurance price: $822.50

THIS:
http://www.harborfreight.com/24-inch-foldable-wheelchair-67437.html
Actual value, about $100-$120

Insurance price: $951.60

I speak from personal experience for both of those, as I am currently sitting in the latter (purchased from Harbor Freight on sale for $99 out of pocket, which is cheaper than from insurance cause the fekkin deductible), and the former is a bone of contention with my provider over a recent bill in which that was what they attempted to charge for ONE SINGLE UNIT thereof, and I ain't having that bullshit.

Insurance is a scam, any way you slice it.

-Frem

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

End of Thread.....

Don't feel bad Frem.... I'm sure I killed it again....

Insurance is the scam that none of us can live without today. I don't have any now, and it's the backdoor loophole to take my paid for house. If I trip up and actually need to go to the hospital for something as minor as a "sawed off finger", I'll owe the hospital my house since I have no income.

No thank you hospital..... I'll just live without my finger.

Please don't cut off my prick in the middle of the night. :)

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:41 AM

CHRISISALL

The peeps in power have the insurance scam in the bag. Best, most profitable swindle in world history.

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