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Polls don't mean much, but put together...

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Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Fresh polls give Obama the advantage in four crucial battlegrounds

New polls released in four swing states on Tuesday all indicate President Barack Obama edging out Republican nominee Mitt Romney by four to eight points, including by eight-points in Ohio, where Romney is making several campaign stops Tuesday and Wednesday. In each survey, Obama's advantage is within the poll's sampling error, but each survey indicates the president grabbing at least 50 percent of the likely voters interviewed.

The fresh batch of polls in Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Nevada - which together account for 59 electoral votes - were released by the Washington Post and American Research Group and were all conducted over the past six days, after the release of secretly recorded clips from a May fund-raiser, in which Romney casts Obama supporters as dependent on government. The story dominated coverage of the race for the White House last week.

As Romney teams up with running mate Rep. Paul Ryan in Ohio Tuesday, a new Washington Post poll indicates he trails President Barack Obama by eight points. According to the survey, 52% of likely voters in the Buckeye State say they support the president, with 44% backing the Republican presidential nominee. Obama's eight point advantage is just within the survey's sampling error.

Ohio and its 18 electoral votes are crucial to winning the White House. In modern times, no Republican has won the presidency without carrying Ohio. It was the state that put President George W. Bush over the top in his 2004 re-election, but four years ago then-Sen. Obama topped Sen. John McCain by five points in Ohio.

The Washington Post poll is the fifth non-partisan, live-operator survey to be conducted in Ohio over the past two weeks. A CNN Poll of Polls that averages all five surveys puts Obama at 50% and Romney at 44% among likely voters. Some partisan polling indicates a closer contest.

The new Washington Post poll indicates that 56% of Ohio registered voters approve of the job Obama's doing as president, with 53% giving him a thumbs up on the job he's doing on the economy. And by a 50%-43% margin, Buckeye State voters say they trust the president rather than Romney to deal with the economy.

new Washington Post survey in Florida indicates a closer contest, with the president at 51% and Romney at 47%, which is within the survey's sampling error. American Research Group is also out Tuesday with a new poll in Florida, which indicates the president at 50% and Romney at 45%, again with the survey's sampling error.

There are now five non-partisan, live-operator, polls conducted in the Sunshine State over the past two weeks. A CNN Poll of Polls that averages all five surveys puts Obama at 49% and Romney at 45% among likely voters. As with Ohio, some partisan polling in Florida has the battle for the state's 29 electoral votes much closer.

Florida is another state that Obama turned from red to blue four years ago, edging out McCain by three points.

American Research Group also has a new poll in Iowa, which indicates the president holding a 51%-44% advantage over Romney among likely voters. The seven point margin is just within the survey's sampling error. According to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll released last week, Obama had a 50%-42% lead in the Hawkeye State. President Bush narrowly edged out Sen. John Kerry in Iowa in the 2004 election, but Obama won the state by ten points four years ago. Six electoral votes are at stake in Iowa.

ARG also released a new survey in Nevada that indicates the president with the same 51%-44% advantage. A CNN/ORC International poll released last week indicated a closer contest, with Obama at 49% and Romney at 46% among likely voters. Bush won Nevada in 2004, but Obama carried the state by 12-points four years ago. Six electoral votes are up for grabs in the Silver State.

"In Nevada, you have to go back to April to find a poll that showed more support for Romney than Obama," adds Holland.

The clock's ticking. Tuesday marks six weeks until Election Day, and early voting underway already in a handful of states. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/25/fresh-polls-give-obama
-the-advantage-in-four-crucial-battlegrounds/


As always, anything can happen. But it better start happening real quick for Romney, as people are already voting. As always, polls don't mean much. But put all together, there's a trend, and it looks like Obama's on a roll.

All of which I'm enjoying thoroughly.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:02 AM

STORYMARK


If you havn't seen it already, I highly recommend Nate Silver's 538 blog. He weighs all the various polls, and other variables, and provides aggregate info. He was pretty damned accurate with the 2008 election.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:07 PM

JONGSSTRAW



It's looking bad for Romney with six weeks to go. His only chance to win is to do what Reagan did in 1980. Come from 10 points behind in October by destroying the incumbent during the debates. From that 10 point deficit Reagan went on to crush Carter in a landslide. Amazing that actually happened, but.....

Can Romney do what Reagan did? I suppose it's theoretically possible, but honestly his previous debate performances have been dull, awkward, and un-convincing. Obama's killing him in the media every day, and will likely kill him in the debates too. Romney's campaign is looking as DOA as I've ever seen one since...well....McCain's. For example, I'm in So. Fla. and all you hear and see here is Obama ads all over the tv and radio. Nothing from Romney. I guess he wrote off Florida when he passed over the smart pick Rubio and went with Dudley Do-Wrong Ryan.

Anyhoo, I always like to remind diehard RNCers that two years ago even Ann Coulter predicted that Romney would be the nominee, and that he would lose. Defeat doesn't have a name yet, but it's looming just around the corner. And the saddest part is that four years from now it'll likely be the same mired-in-muck situation with another bottom-of-the-barrel media pinata candidate put forth by Republicans.










Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
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Ben!
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Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:55 PM

CHRISISALL


Oh Lord, can we PLEASE have a good (real) Republican candidate??? This is too easy, and makes the Dems lazy when they win. If quality goes up with each candidate, it forces the next from the opposing party to be better...

Screw hard working competition; just outsource to the usual suspects.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:31 PM

JONGSSTRAW


I saw enough of Republican "quality" during their Primaries to last a lifetime. One un-electable Herbert after t'other. As for future candidates, this Conservative agrees with Laura Ingraham when she says if the Republican Party loses again with this economy it should dissolve into the oblivion it has created for itself.


Heart pumping blood again, lungs filling with air again.....to BE again!










Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
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Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Oh Lord, can we PLEASE have a good (real) Republican candidate???

Amen, amen, amen!

The one thing that people don't seem to take into account is that, whatever the polls show is really meaningless. As will whatever the outcome is. All that counts are the swing states (expletive deleted), and in those, voter suppression is going along nicely, thank you. Doesn't matter if Obama has a lead (unless it's tremendous); doesn't matter if Obama carries Latinos, women, Blacks, college students, etc., if enough of those people are kept from voting.

That's my biggest fear now. If the voter ID laws and lessening the voting days AND making gigantic ballots to make the lines longer to dissuade more people from voting work the way they've been planned to and are so far, polls won't mean shit. Neither will the voting total, and they know it.


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Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Jong...you'll find it weird, but I feel the same. It shouldn't be like this, there should be at least two parties who have differing beliefs who can slug it out (i.e. "debate") the actual issues so the American people can choose between them. As it is, some are choosing Romney because they hate Obama just on principle, some are choosing Romney because all they've heard are FauxNews twisted facts, some are choosing Obama because they're afraid of the power the Tea Party and ultra-righties have gained, some are choosing Obama because they figure nobody else could have done better...and nowhere in there are many choosing either one because they believe in them. That's not the way it's supposed to be!

I'm hearing rumblings that if Romney loses, conservatives will blame the ultra-right and break off, "Republican" will come to mean a small minority of right-wing radicals, and a third part will emerge. That would be interesting (except I don't like the idea of the radicals owning the term "Republican"); tho' I admit I'd rather see a third party with centrist- or left-leaning position, I'd take any kind of third party (especially an unelectable one like the Tea Party would be). If a third party were to emerge, maybe it would open up a chance for a fourth, and then we could have some actual debates with rational peo...oh, silly me, sorry. Looking at the "rational" nature of the Brit's multiple parties...sigh. Maybe humans just aren't capable of being rational where politics are concerned...


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Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:35 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by Niki2:

Maybe humans just aren't capable of being rational where politics are concerned...



Always been that way. Everything is political as long as it concerns you or your country. Things got heated up politically and passions ran high even back when Adams and Jefferson fought it out for President.







Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
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