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I know we've had a lot of articles on Mitt's disintegrating campaign...

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:07 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


But here's one more. Very well-written, and full of predictions The kind of thing I had in mind when I made the prediction of 4 out of 5 of the next elections going to the Dems...

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There is a civil war gathering in the Republican Party. It looks more and more like a dispirited and disappointed collection of factions, preparing to lay blame for a lost presidential election and to do battle to shape a new direction for the Grand Old Party.

Last week the view hardened that the Republican nominee was in close to terminal trouble. Having lost the summer as he let the Obama campaign define him, having lost the conventions when he let Clint Eastwood step all over his acceptance speech, Mitt Romney spectacularly lost his head on Sept. 11 during the mob attack on U.S. diplomats in Egypt and Libya. He came across as a low-life opportunist rushing to exploit a national tragedy in order to score political points and then doubling down on this venal dumbness with a smirking and contentious press conference. This week he may well have finished the job, with a video leaking of him referring to 47 percent of the electorate as government moochers.

Romney’s advisers have taken to bashing the press for covering the bad news, a near-certain sign of a losing campaign, as is the simultaneous effort to quarrel with the methodology of polls showing him trailing in the battleground states with almost no way of reaching 270 electoral votes. The surveys were largely in the field before Romney’s graceless and craven charge that the Obama administration sympathized with those who murdered the nation’s ambassador to Libya and three other Americans. More polls are on the way, and for Mitt the Knife, with his self-inflicted wounds, most of the numbers won’t be pretty.

John Heilemann, who knows a game change when he sees it, rendered a damning verdict in New York: “Romney … badly missed the mark.” Heilemann cited the array of GOP leaders, strategists, and commentators who declined to offer even faint support or instead outright rebuked their own candidate, on and off the record. He pointed to the broader narrative emerging in the media across the ideological spectrum: Romney is losing, knows he is losing, and is starting to panic.

There are the ritual caveats. The Republican standard-bearer could transform the race during the debates. Despite the Obama enterprise’s predictable and tactically savvy efforts to pump up the deflated expectations for his performance, Romney seems unlikely to morph into a latter day John F. Kennedy. It’s far more likely that he will be on the defensive about his false claims and his Medicare-shredding, Social Security–threatening, education-slashing, middle-class tax-raising policies, all designed to shower more money on those who already have the most.

Moreover, you can’t run on the economy if you don’t have specific economic proposals—or won’t answer basic questions about a 59-point plan that, in critical areas, offers zero details. In the latest New York Times/CBS numbers, the president now leads where Romney had for months: which candidate would “do a better job handling the economy and unemployment?” If Romney doesn’t have the economy, what can he run on? Banning contraception? Or bankrupting the auto industry?

Or maybe exogenous events will ride to the rescue. But one of them, last week’s Federal Reserve decision to launch an open-ended third round of “quantitative easing,” helps the stock market and Obama in the short run and the unemployed over a longer term. The decision strengthens perceptions that the nation is on the right track, a sentiment already on the rise in the wake of Bill Clinton’s and President Obama’s convention speeches. Chasing another news cycle and the tale of his own flagging campaign, Romney promptly and predictably condemned the Fed for doing its statutory job, which is not only to control inflation but also to promote job creation and full employment. It was a transparent tic from a candidate who’s been rooting for a slowdown all along.

What else is left, another foreign crisis? First, that’s when Americans tend to rally around a president, especially one who’s demonstrated coolness, judgment, and a sure sense of command, which is exactly what Obama has done. He’s in an extraordinary position for a Democrat of holding a decided advantage on foreign policy, national security, and fighting terrorism. In contrast, Romney instinctively says the wrong thing, which frequently makes him look not only out of touch but out of his depth, unready for a job that demands the capacity to cope with unanticipated and potentially mortal dangers.

And Romney won’t make up lost ground by pursuing a makeover on daytime TV. Last week he told Kelly Ripa that he’s a “fan” of Snooki from Jersey Shore and likes to sleep wearing “as little as possible.” The latter elicits an image we didn’t need. The show was taped as the Middle East upheaval escalated. It wasn’t humanizing, but cringe-inducing. “Jersey Shore canceled—and Romney soon will be,” was the reaction of one Republican pro.

After the first debate, see if the doubts become a rout. One measure will be the conduct of the Republican super PACs. The corpulent moneybags of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson probably will continue to flow into the presidential ad wars; after all, Adelson stuck with Newt Gingrich as Gingrich struck out in the Republican primaries. But hardheaded operatives like Karl Rove could shift their resources to Senate and House contests. They’ll deny it even if they do it. And it wouldn’t be good news for Democrats; the possibility—or probability—is already worrying party officials.

Such a scenario also would set the stage for the GOP’s post-Romney civil war. The Tea Party Republicans who detest, or more accurately hate, this president will be maddened by his reelection. They will rage against it as illegitimate, stolen, un-American. You name it, they’ll say it. And they will tear at the GOP’s 2012 nominee as insufficiently conservative and insist that Republicans in the Senate and House block a second-term Obama at every turn.

A prudent party might venture at least a measure of cooperation and compromise, to prevent the standing of Republicans from collapsing as the economy moves back to prosperity. This is what smart GOP strategists will recommend. And it’s precisely what John Boehner will fear to do lest he lose his House speakership—or with hope, his minority leadership—to the lean and hungry Eric Cantor.

So with Romney consigned in 2013 to his four-car elevator mansion in La Jolla, Calif., the president may face daunting challenges to governing even as he once again reaches across the aisle. His mandate could prove momentary, which is what happened to Harry Truman, who achieved almost nothing domestically in the four years after his upset win in 1948. At least this time, the Supreme Court will be saved from a right-wing coup and health-care reform won’t be dispatched to extremist defenestration. And Democrats could hold the high ground for elections to come.

This outcome—in an Obama second term, in 2016, and campaigns beyond—will be magnified or modulated by the course of the irrepressible conflict between the Jeb Bush Republicans and the Paul Ryan Republicans. The two men represent very different paths. Bush stands for a tempered conservatism; he understands the impending demographic doom of a reactionary, anti-Hispanic Republican Party. He’s writing a book on immigration; as he said this summer: “Don’t just ... say immediately we must have controlled borders. Change the tone ... think we need a broader approach.” Ryan, on the other hand, champions a hardline approach on immigration, along with virtual repeal of the New Deal and the social progress of the 1960s.

Bush’s attitude—I’ll borrow from his father and call it “a kinder, gentler” conservatism—could be broadly acceptable in the country, even if his brother George was all but anathema at the 2012 Republican convention. Ryan is out of step with the majority of Americans not only on immigration but on his budget plans and across a wide range of domestic policy. If Romney goes down, then Bush, the practical choice, and Ryan, likely to be lionized on the right, will be the 2016 front-runners for each faction of the GOP. Meanwhile, Republicans on Capitol Hill will have to determine whether to be modestly practical—or relentlessly ideological.

Which way will this civil war go?

Undoubtedly it will be bitter. The true believers will fulminate that they were tricked by the establishment into accepting Romney, John McCain, and free-spending, big-government fellow traveler George W. Bush. The Tea Partiers are a minority in America but almost certainly a majority in what could become a smaller and smaller Republican Party. And the GOP’s experience in California suggests that one beating, or even several, may not yield a GOP self-correction but a dug-in revanchism. The state party’s response has been to lurch rightward. The result, as McCain’s chief 2008 strategist Steve Schmidt predicts, is that Republicans could soon become “the third party” in the nation’s largest state—behind Democrats and independents.

In an America where the party of angry white men increasingly speaks for and to a permanent minority, it could take another defeat and maybe another before the GOP comes to its senses. Surely Romney himself would have been better off in the general election if he had defended his Massachusetts health-care reform and sounded occasional notes of pragmatism and compassion. But then, of course, he never would have been the nominee. He could even have let us assume he wore pajamas to bed. Now hovering over his apparently desperate march toward a concession speech is the specter of Republicans fighting their protracted civil war. Someday, somehow, someone will do for the conservative side of our politics what Bill Clinton did as the progressive who brought Democrats back to the mainstream. But post-2012, maybe even Ryan won’t be pure enough; it could be full-Santorum ahead.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/18/gop-civil-war-is-comi
ng-as-mitt-romney-campaign-flails-in-video-s-wake.html?obref=obinsite

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Friday, September 21, 2012 12:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Reeely well written, thank you KPO. Took forever to read--I kept scrolling down, hoping there was an end somewhere--but it was worth it. Especially
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Such a scenario also would set the stage for the GOP’s post-Romney civil war. The Tea Party Republicans who detest, or more accurately hate, this president will be maddened by his reelection. They will rage against it as illegitimate, stolen, un-American. You name it, they’ll say it. And they will tear at the GOP’s 2012 nominee as insufficiently conservative and insist that Republicans in the Senate and House block a second-term Obama at every turn.

A prudent party might venture at least a measure of cooperation and compromise, to prevent the standing of Republicans from collapsing as the economy moves back to prosperity. This is what smart GOP strategists will recommend. And it’s precisely what John Boehner will fear to do lest he lose his House speakership—or with hope, his minority leadership—to the lean and hungry Eric Cantor.


I've heard that theory from a couple of places. Apparently the usual reaction to losing an election is for the party to go FURTHER left or right, so who knows? IF they keep going further out in "right" field, this author might be right, but how do they NOT go further right, given the power of the Tea Party and the direction they've been going thus far?

What I've heard is that if Romney loses, the right-wingers will say he wasn't conservative enough, so will push for Ryan; the regular conservatives will realize they went too far and try to track back toward the middle. This is just what the author sees, too, and it's worrying for the GOP. We'll have to wait and see what happens...I fervently hope they track back to the middle, because what he wrote about California is dead on, and I'd rather not see that happen nationwide...it's not pretty (tho' it's convenient for me, as a leftie).

I'm glad I wandered through the wilderness of PN insanity and found this.


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Friday, September 21, 2012 4:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, and Romney's co-chairman of his campaign, Tim Pawlenty, quit today to go be a bank lobbyist.


I believe he was heard muttering something under his breath about rats and a sinking ship as he headed out the door.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 22, 2012 5:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I've been wondering for some months now whether Mitt really wants the Presidency, or whether he's been consciously or unconsciously shooting himself in the foot. And I've said more than once here on the board I would have no problem whatsoever with a Romney win... in fact, I might welcome it. Here's the reason:

The REAL problems for the winner... whoever it is ... go far beyond the Democratic/ Republican and center/right domestic dynamic. Economists are thinking there could be an even bigger economic downturn waiting in 2013, which could be precipitated by any number of non-USA events. Greece might still exit the Eurozone, which would drive Spain and Portugal into bankruptcy. The Chinese economy looks like it's coming down for a hard landing because their policy of increasing internal demand and investing in infrastructure hasn't been enough. Brazil is slowing down. Everyone is looking for a market for their goods, because very few are able to buy. There is also the problem global climate shift, evidenced by the most recent drought and record tornado outbreaks. Foreign policy and the war on terrorists is still a problem. Yanno, the list of issues from OUTSIDE of the USA is daunting.

AND, the nation is truly divided. 40% of the folks think that god created humans just as they are today, and about half of the people who themselves are not rich think the nation needs more trickle down.

Who would want to preside over THAT??? Real solutions would demand the kind of action that wold never be allowed. Whoever presides will get tagged with ALL of those problems if/ when they come to pass. A bad four years for the winning party might mean and horrible following decade or more.

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Saturday, September 22, 2012 5:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Unfortunately, Sig, your pessimism is shared by many of us. I guess I'm just optimistic--AND I fear the result of Romney/GOP/Tea Party winning because of the laws they would probably put in place, the Supremes they might well put in power, and the influence of their right-wing radicals. I know I'm not looking long term and I should, but it's all I can do to look beyond next month, the way things have been going!

In other words, I sincerely hope you're wrong, but recognize you might well not be. ;o)


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Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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More polls are on the way, and for Mitt the Knife, with his self-inflicted wounds, most of the numbers won’t be pretty.



Remember to FINISH THEM OFF this time, folks - we failed to do that after Shrub, and look where its got us.
Do you really, really, wanna fight this savage, pointless, wasteful fight ALL OVER AGAIN four years down the line against an even crazier, more malicious foe that has gone completely batshit rabid ?

Or maybe, just maybe, how about FINISHING THE GODDAMN JOB so that we have a rational, reasonable alternative to the pansy ass wuss we got installed in the Oval Office now, hmm ?

Just a freakin suggestion, here.

-Frem

PS. Current betting odds are Obama 1:1 Romney 1:1.71 and climbing.

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Saturday, September 22, 2012 8:00 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Unfortunately nearly half the country is still going to vote for Romney and the GOP will still control the House. The GOP is far from being finished off.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:00 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
The GOP is far from being finished off.


Which means the job ain't done yet - less worried about that than I am what comes next.
The notion is to finish the GOP, and then push the goddamn Dems right in after then while they're gloating about it, and before they realize this.
Ain't never the mechanism or form of Government (other than the notion of Goverment itself, a bit) which is the problem, it's the folks runnin it - and I would much prefer a nice clean sweep.

-F

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Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:54 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Preach brother, preach!

1. Obama has been rather soft since he became Prez, but he's had help. In all my life I've never seen such pure hatred for a president than what our 'good' neighbors to the right spew on a daily basis. Yes, others have been hated before Obama, but never has it been so blatantly systematic.

Enlighten me oh ancient one, have you ever......by the way, I was smiling when I wrote that...........:)

B. My thoughts on the matter of civil war in the not-too-distant future may come to fruition. Our country has been surgically and expertly led down the path, and it would take strong minds not to fall into that trap. People on both sides of the fence need to examine the evidence closely before going off half cocked to pick up their blunderbuss.
Along the lines of that thought, I came across an interesting documentary called The One Percent (Netflix), by Jamie Johnson, son of multimillionaire James Johnson (Johnson & Johnson). Watching it reminded me so much of people I've met, in my travels, but, more recently, of Mitt Romney. Not surprising, but disturbing nonetheless.

3. There's so much to touch upon, but I'll give you this. I agree, it's not the mechanism but the operators that's gumming up the works. The ruling class figured out long ago that the politicians needed to be recruited to affect the landscape, but seemingly keeping it within the rules of fair play. It's like that scene in the Matrix:Revolutions when the Architect says that they had to keep adjusting the Matrix until they got it just right. Hundreds of millions are thrown their way, they pour millions into lobbyists etc. Yet, people (when they open their eyes) see right through that little smoke screen, so they buy media outlets and attempt to shape public opinion (Obama is a socialist foreigner) and use the Sith Mind Trick: "This is not the president you want. He's going to take your money." So, vote the suckers out and replace them......been there, done that. We need to put their feet to the fire about changing the rules of engagement, outlaw billionaires from contributing millions and unfairly influencing the candidates. Outlaw lobbying, or at least disclose your sources. Maybe even change the power and influence of the popular vote. Right now, as it is, it's uneven and unfair.

4. Clean sweep! Yes! Or make them more accountable to the American people.



"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

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Monday, September 24, 2012 10:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Obama has been rather soft since he became Prez, but he's had help. In all my life I've never seen such pure hatred for a president than what our 'good' neighbors to the right spew on a daily basis. Yes, others have been hated before Obama, but never has it been so blatantly systematic.

You said you were smiling when you wrote that, so perhaps you don't really believe it. I do. I've never seen anything like the last three-plus years in my life, and I've seen a lot of campaigns, a lot of Presidents. The only thing I can conceive of is that there's a lot more subconscious racism in our country than we ever realized, because the complete disrespect he receives is something I've never seen before. Yes, other Presidents have been dissed, satirized, etc., etc., but tho' our righties will deny it and scream "reverse racism" and "playing the race card" and/or whatever, it remains real.



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Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Republican conservative Joe Scarborough reacts to Romney's latest: "Sweet Jesus..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/joe-scarborough-romney-ryan-s
weet-jesus_n_1915975.html?utm_hp_ref=media






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:04 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Romney praising Hitler's energy ideas...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/25/the-david-pakman-show-mitt-rom
ney-praises-adolf-hitlers-energy-ideas
/



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, September 28, 2012 6:51 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)











"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, September 28, 2012 9:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


This is what the GOP is looking for in a President:





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, September 28, 2012 9:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I read that stuff a while ago, about the digits, etc. Made me slightly queasy to imagine people thinking like that...made me downright nauseous to realize that would mean Ryan (much like Cheney) would be making the decisions. THAT thought really scared me: Ayn Rand running our country!!!


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Friday, September 28, 2012 9:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, I read that stuff a while ago, about the digits, etc. Made me slightly queasy to imagine people thinking like that...made me downright nauseous to realize that would mean Ryan (much like Cheney) would be making the decisions. THAT thought really scared me: Ayn Rand running our country!!!





Actually, it means Grover would be running the country. He already runs the GOP.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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