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Something to Remember on 9/11 Anniversary

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Monday, September 10, 2012 5:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




On the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, it's worth remembering that Paul Ryan is still opposed to providing healthcare benefits to the first responders on the scene.

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On the eve of the 11 th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, and as the federal government formally recognized the link between harmful toxins at Ground Zero of the World Trade Center and the risk of cancer for first responders, one legislator's opposition to a bill to provide medical care for people exposed that day is adding to the narrative of the 2012 election.

Rep. Paul Ryan, the Republican nominee for vice president, voted July 29, 2010 against the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act when the measure first came up for a vote in the House of Representatives. In order to expedite consideration of the bill, the House Democratic leadership considered the measure under suspension of the rules, requiring a two-thirds majority for passage. Support for the bill fell short, 255-159.

Eight weeks later on Sept. 29, when the $7.4 billion package returned to the House floor under regular order, Ryan voted no again. This time, however, the bill was considered under a rule, requiring only a simple majority for passage, and was sent on to the Senate.

The Democrat-controlled Senate made its changes to the bill and the House voted on final passage during the lame duck session on Dec. 22, 2010. Ryan, along with 167 other members of the House, did not vote on final passage in the House, having already skipped town to return to their congressional districts for the holidays.

Ryan explained in a floor statement that he would have opposed the final passage vote, too, calling the bill "deeply flawed." He also complained that it "would create a new health care entitlement, the World Trade Center Health Program, while also extending eligibility for compensation under the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001."

Now, almost two years later, congressional Democrats are citing Ryan's opposition to the bill as "another example of Ryan's extreme ideology."

"This bipartisan law is crucial to the families and victims of 9/11 and will be a painful thorn in the Romney campaign's side as our nation comes together again on the 11th anniversary of the attacks," one senior Democratic aide told ABC News.

The fire and collapse of the World Trade Center's twin towers contaminated the nearby air with particles of glass, asbestos, cement, lead, gypsum, calcium carbonate, other metal particles and other toxins. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, which determines which cancers are covered under a fund established to care for first responders to the attacks, initially included just a short list of illnesses - but not cancer - that qualified for compensation. Still, the bill allowed for other health conditions to be added over time and today's announcement adds two-dozen types of cancer to a range of illnesses covered by the law.

President Obama signed the legislation into law Jan. 2, 2011.



http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=17204621


Some have argued that it shouldn't be "the government's" job to take care of these first responders. It's not a federal issue that concerns the whole country, they say.

So I have to ask: Was New York City attacked on 9/11, or was AMERICA attacked?





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."


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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



No, that's not worth remembering , in the least. Because it's politicizing an attack on a free country, by Muslim extremists, and nearly 3,000 innocent people lost their lives on this day.

I'd like to think some are better than to use a cheap, tacky ploy like this to mark the significance of this day.

Seems not.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:36 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So you just want us all to forget how badly Ryan snubbed the 9/11 first responders?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



He's not snubbing anyone, and for you to politicize this on this day, is despicable.

Even from you, I expect better.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:47 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That's not an discussion little rappy, just a tantrum.

But I like to laugh at you, so keep it up.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:50 AM

CAVETROLL


What's the difference between 9/11 and a cow?

You can't milk a cow for 11 years.


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:32 AM

STORYMARK


Rappy's not saying it's not true. He's just cranky that people have the audacity to remind him what kind of person he's supporting.

Sure, he'll whine about politicising today - because it's not his side benefiting. Turn the tables, and the boy would be cheering with pom-poms.

Nothing new.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:33 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
What's the difference between 9/11 and a cow?

You can't milk a cow for 11 years.


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons



True. I think Rudy Gulianni topped out at 10.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Rappy's not saying it's not true. He's just cranky that people have the audacity to remind him what kind of person he's supporting.

Sure, he'll whine about politicising today - because it's not his side benefiting. Turn the tables, and the boy would be cheering with pom-poms.

Nothing new.



It's unbelievably false, but that's never stopped the Left from trying to spread lies and divide this country, over any matter, from condoms to catastrophes.


Nothing new, is absolutely right.


The lack of decency from the Left appears to have no limits.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:39 AM

STORYMARK


Kwick posts info, with a citation....

Rappy says it's not true, with NOTHING to back him up, and.... rants.

Guess this is another time where we're supposedm to just "take his word for it." But then, Rappy never was fond of actual facts (only RapFacts are recognized in RappyLand).

Same as it ever was.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Eh, just more "neener, neener" from Raptor. By the way, I don't think he said it's not true, just that it's tacky to mention it today.

What's sadly amusing is that, in mentioning the difficulty in getting help for the first responders to 9/11, our heroes, the men who in many cases gave their futures, if not their lives, to cleaning up what 9/11 did, which SHOULD be the most important thing of all to our country now, Raptor considers it...whatever adjectives he spit out.

They ARE who we should be thinking about on this day. To even THINK of denying them help for what they suffered in their heroism is what's indecent, abhorrent and unconscionable. ALL those who voted against it should be ashamed, not just Ryan...but because it's ABOUT Ryan voting against it, suddenly it's not relevant.

Oh, by the way, when Paul Ryan voted against 9/11 First Responders Healthcare Bill THREE TIMES, according to him it was because giving 9/11 First Responders Healthcare did not "take priority". Whose "cheap, tacky ploy" is it now? Makes me sick.


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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Eh, just more "neener, neener" from Raptor. By the way, I don't think he said it's not true, just that it's tacky to mention it today.

What's sadly amusing is that, in mentioning the difficulty in getting help for the first responders to 9/11, our heroes, the men who in many cases gave their futures, if not their lives, to cleaning up what 9/11 did, which SHOULD be the most important thing of all to our country now, Raptor considers it...whatever adjectives he spit out.

They ARE who we should be thinking about on this day. To even THINK of denying them help for what they suffered in their heroism is what's indecent, abhorrent and unconscionable. ALL those who voted against it should be ashamed, not just Ryan...but because it's ABOUT Ryan voting against it, suddenly it's not relevant.

Oh, by the way, when Paul Ryan voted against 9/11 First Responders Healthcare Bill THREE TIMES, according to him it was because giving 9/11 First Responders Healthcare did not "take priority". Whose "cheap, tacky ploy" is it now? Makes me sick.





Technically, Rappy didn't say "it's not true"; his exact words were "It's unbelievably false..."


And yes, I'm sure Dubya and Rudy would agree that it's just disgusting and despicable for ANYBODY to try to politicize 9/11, ever. ;)


But don't worry - I'm sure Ryan will come out today and say that he never voted against it, and in fact he himself carried many of the first responders out of the wreckage that day...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Rappy's not saying it's not true. He's just cranky that people have the audacity to remind him what kind of person he's supporting.

Sure, he'll whine about politicising today - because it's not his side benefiting. Turn the tables, and the boy would be cheering with pom-poms.

Nothing new.



It's unbelievably false, but that's never stopped the Left from trying to spread lies and divide this country, over any matter, from condoms to catastrophes.



What's false about what I posted? Did Ryan vote for it or against it? Simple question.






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike. his statement that it's "unbelievably false" referred to the post above, where Mark wrote what RAPTOR thought. Obviously he wasn't referring to the issue at hand, you know that and are just using it as an excuse to snark. Which is fine with me and I enjoy it, as well as the blatant hypocrisy Raptor shows by ignoring that Ryan voted against helping our first responders, but you either misunderstood or are playing games on that one. Just to be fair. ;o)


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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:05 AM

STORYMARK


I don't for a second think that Rappy was talking about what I said. He ALWAYS denies any actions by his team that doesn't fit his narrative. Im sure he was saying what Kwick said about Ryan is untrue. That's his SOP.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:12 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


It amazes me that certain people here can hate certain other people here so much that they will literally walk over someone's dead grandma to try to score points.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:07 AM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
It amazes me that certain people here can hate certain other people here so much that they will literally walk over someone's dead grandma to try to score points.


Are you playing the Dead Memaw card?


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:13 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
It amazes me that certain people here can hate certain other people here so much that they will literally walk over someone's dead grandma to try to score points.



Sure, that's totally what's happening here, because, more than 5 people will ever read this....


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
It amazes me that certain people here can hate certain other people here so much that they will literally walk over someone's dead grandma to try to score points.




It amazed me that Paul Ryan hated the 9/11 responders that much, too, so I totally agree with you and join you in condemning his actions then and now.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'd like to think some are better than to use a cheap, tacky ploy like this to mark the significance of this day.

Seems not.



Cheney Smears Obama On 9/11, Claims He Took ‘Sole Credit’ For Bin Laden’s Death

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On the eve of the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, former Vice President Dick Cheney accused President Obama of taking “sole credit” for the killing of Osama bin Laden and ignoring his presidential daily intelligence briefings. “If President Obama were participating in his intelligence briefings on a regular basis then perhaps he would understand why people are so offended at his efforts to take sole credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden,” Cheney told the Daily Caller on Monday night, quoting a report by former Bush administration official Marc Thiessen that “charged that Obama had attended fewer than half of the presidential daily briefs since taking office.”
But by parroting the claims of Birther-led “Swift Boater” groups, who argue that Obama has overstated his role in the bin Laden raid, Cheney ignores Obama’s repeated efforts to credit the intelligence community and the Bush administration for playing a part in the successful mission to kill the perpetrator of the 9/11 attacks. As Obama explained earlier this year:
[L]ast year, when we delivered justice to Osama bin Laden, I made it clear that our success was due to many people in many organizations working together over many years — across two administrations. That’s why my first call once American forces were safely out of harm’s way was to President Bush. Because protecting our country is neither the work of one person, nor the task of one period of time, it’s an ongoing obligation that we all share.
Obama also continues to receive intelligence information on a daily basis, even if he prefers to read the analyses himself rather than have it read told to him. As National Security Council spokesperson Tommy Vietor told Politico, Obama “receives and reads his [Presidential Daily Brief] every day, and most days when he’s at the White House receives a briefing in person. When necessary he probes the arguments, requests more information or seeks alternate analysis. Sometimes that’s via a written assessment and other times it’s in person…Marc basically wrote a story culled from our public schedule that shows how Marc’s old boss, President Bush, structured his day differently than President Obama.”



http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/11/826161/cheney-obama-911/


Seems not, indeed.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:13 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)








"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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