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Romney Campaign: We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers!

POSTED BY: KWICKO
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 16:36
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




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“Our most effective ad is our welfare ad,” a top television advertising strategist for Romney, Ashley O’Connor, said at a forum Tuesday hosted by ABCNews and Yahoo! News. “It’s new information.”...
The Washington Post’s “Fact Checker” awarded Romney’s ad “four Pinocchios,” a measure Romney pollster Neil Newhouse dismissed.
“Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,” he said.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/fact-checking-for-t
hee-but-not-for-me/2012/08/28/cccd6036-f11d-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_blog.html




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."


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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:11 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Lol!

Here's good article about lies as a centrepiece to Mitt's campaign: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/mitt-doesnt-care-about-your-facts
.html


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It has not escaped attention that Mitt Romney has built his entire campaign on, well, lies.

Anybody tuning in to the Republican National Convention on Tuesday night heard and saw “you didn’t build that” roughly fourteen gajillion times. The RNC’s stated theme of Day One was “We Built That.” Country singer Lane Turner unveiled his new protest song, “I Build That.” New conservative star Mia Love: "This is the America we know, because we built it!" Ann Romney proclaimed that her husband "was not handed success. He built it!"

On television, Romney’s main campaign theme is that President Obama has ended the work requirement in the 1996 welfare law and is instead sending out checks. In his speeches, and during the convention, the message is that President Obama has lectured small business owners that they didn’t build their own business. Swing-state denizens just tuning in to the campaign probably think the election is primarily a referendum on welfare reform.

Both charges are utter fabrications. It is true that in both cases, Obama was doing something objectionable to conservatives. On welfare, his department of Health and Human Services established a state waiver policy that could conceivably, in the future, lead to less stringent work requirements than the right prefers (even though the current policy merely allows the Republican governors of two states to carry out unobjectionable innovations). And his “you didn’t build that” speech — in which “that” clearly referred to public infrastructure that enabled a business, not the business itself — was an attempt to give wealthy people less credit for their own success than the Ayn Rand–addled right believes they deserve.

Conservative pundits not employed by Romney’s campaign have used these objections as a pretext to justify Romney’s lies — what Obama was really doing is bad, so it’s okay for Romney to pretend Obama was doing some different bad thing.

In the campaign press corps, Romney’s brazen decision to not merely indulge in puffery or invective or half-truths — as all campaigns, Obama’s included, have done — but to base his entire message on straight-up lies has prompted some journalistic soul-searching about the role of the campaign press. Reporters have come to outsource the role of evaluating the truth of candidates’ claims to “fact-checkers.” This allows the reporters to avoid directly calling a candidate a liar, but instead to point out that some third party, the fact-checkers, have called them liars. The utility of this arrangement has brushed up against its natural limit, a fact that was brutally exposed when Romney pollster Neil Newhouse asserted, “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.”

This statement might not be as bad as it sounds. Fact-checkers are not omniscient. In fact they’re often pretty lousy at their jobs, mistaking hazy judgments about fair play for questions of fact. Fact-checking organizations throw around terms like “lie” to describe statements — Obama effected a government takeover of health care, Paul Ryan would end Medicare — that are actually subjective interpretations.

But what the Romney campaign is saying here, through its deeds and its breezy dismissal of objections thereto, is not merely that it won’t allow a handful of journalistic scolds to govern it, but that it won’t be constrained by facts at all. And this tells us something important not merely about Romney’s campaign style but how he would govern.

One disturbing hallmark of the previous Republican presidential administration was the willingness of the president and his allies to rely utterly on the version of truth that circulated within the closed confines of the right-wing subculture. The meta-message of the Bush administration for its critics was: We don’t care what you think. What climate scientists or budget crunchers or intelligence experts said didn’t matter. The Republicans had their own people who assured them that carbon emissions weren’t necessarily warming the planet and tax cuts wouldn’t lead to deficits, and these truths would reverberate on Fox News and other friendly media. In that mental state, a Republican can confidently say or do anything, and — as long as he stays true to conservative dogma — he will be hailed as virtuous and true by the only parties whose standing matters to him.

One hope for a potential Romney administration is that Romney, and his appointees, would feel embarrassment at this method. Romney, unlike Bush, is not a product of deep Red America. Perhaps he and his staff would like to be held in high regard by educated people who get their information from news sources not operating under Republican message discipline.

The development of his campaign strongly suggests otherwise. Romney and his campaign feel perfectly cozy inside the confines of the right-wing information cocoon, where fealty to party doctrine is the only standard for which they will ever be held accountable.



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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:36 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

( from an internal quote, not kpo's words.)
Ann Romney proclaimed that her husband "was not handed success. He built it!"





Ah, yes, he was just a poor simple barefoot American Mormon lad, living in a Utah log cabin with a dirt floor, where he had to read great books by candlelight, and he rose to greatness, and owning horses that are worth more that American people pay for cars, if not houses.

And his Daddy was nobody important, a poor honest man who worked hard and long, struggling to pay his bills and afford groceries and shoes and clothes for his children.

And maybe his wife has to make do with a "simple, honest, Republican cloth coat."

C'mon, Ann. Nobody's gonna buy it. Letterman once described G W Bush as "a guy standing on third base like he just hit a triple. But he didn't. He was born there."

The R's keep trotting out the cliche that in America, anybody can start from nowhere and become successful, wealthy, and important. And then backing it up with guys like the Bushes and Romney, while tearing down folks like Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and President Obama, who actually did it.

Hey, R's, if you're gonna push that success line, install some spokesmen who have actually "built it" themselves, without family influence or wealth or government assistance that you deny to others, or by unjustly exploiting the labor of their workers. Otherwise, STFU..

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah Mike, I heard that one last night. Just shook my head in disgust (since they're just saying what's already obvious); in many ways I'm immune to being shocked by them anymore or I would have been royally pissed! Sickening, isn't it?

I guess they should get points for at least being open about it...or something...


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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Romney was born with a silver foot in his mouth, to paraphrase Ann Richards.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:36 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I see the Romney campaign saying that doesn't bother any of our righties whatsoever, from their lack of response. Fits well with their mentality I guess. What a shame.


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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I see the Romney campaign saying that doesn't bother any of our righties whatsoever, from their lack of response. Fits well with their mentality I guess. What a shame.





And according to Rappy, if you don't immediately denounce this kind of speech, then you are defending it.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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