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Mars: yes or no?

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Sunday, August 5, 2012 2:19 PM

MAL4PREZ


Watch it if you haven't, it's mind-boggling:



So what do you think? Land or wreck? Only a few hours left to make a prediction... Landing time is 1:30 AM EST.

My take: On one hand, NASA crashed a Mars lander not too long ago (in the minds of middle aged people like me) because some moron forgot to covert units. (I've never made such a stupid mistake in my life! *cough*cough*) On the other hand, they must be feeling somewhat confident, to have put this movie out and upped the PR. All in all, I have to put my virtual money on success. I think they're going to pull it off.

Anyone else care to guess?

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Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Let's call it cautious optimism.

There's an awful lot to go wrong with this kind of landing, but I'm hoping they pull it off. Or will have pulled it off, because they won't know until about 14 minutes after the fact, at best.



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Sunday, August 5, 2012 5:26 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Let's call it cautious optimism.



I admit, in the end that's all I have. I hope it makes it, so I'm rooting for that. The pictures from the other Rovers are just so damned good. I want more.

I cry BS about one thing on the 7 minute video: they say 0% margin of error. No way. They wouldn't have gone ahead if they didn't very well know the margins of errors. Mars has an atmosphere, and I've seen before that there is weather of a sort. What if there is high pressure and the air density is 5% above or below what they expect? Will the landing still work? What if there are winds? What if the orientation of the attitude adjustment engines are 0.5° off? What if the fuel burns 0.1% hotter than they planned in their "ideal case"? What if all those uncertainties make them come in 4° too high? Too low? Can they correct this?

Trust me, these calculations have been made, long ago, and provision and margins of error have been laid in. And yet, the real thing always has surprises.... I really hope the surprises are within acceptable bounds. And that everyone was clear about whether they are using feet or meters.

No, the error analysis for this mission is stunningly interesting to me. I can't imagine what the people who planned this are thinking and feeling right now. Imagine you're a mom who supported your girl's dream to do the balance beam, and now there she is, in the Olympics, about to do the mount in front of a worldwide audience, but she's down there on her own and you're in your seat in the crowd and can't say a thing she'll hear. She will succeed or fail, all on her own.

Yes, I've been watching too much Olympics.

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Sunday, August 5, 2012 7:29 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


tick tick tick tick tick


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Sunday, August 5, 2012 7:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


hopefully yes, but i won't get to see it live. damn music lesson

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Sunday, August 5, 2012 7:37 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


looks like a big YES from all the kissin' and huggin' at the NASA control room.

see the pics later

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Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:43 PM

CLJOHNSTON108


This was the shiniest thing I've ever seen! Congratulations to all involved!



(There's about a 35-second lag in the audio from the NASA-TV feed)

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Monday, August 6, 2012 1:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:

I admit, in the end that's all I have. I hope it makes it, so I'm rooting for that. The pictures from the other Rovers are just so damned good. I want more.

I cry BS about one thing on the 7 minute video: they say 0% margin of error. No way. They wouldn't have gone ahead if they didn't very well know the margins of errors. Mars has an atmosphere, and I've seen before that there is weather of a sort. What if there is high pressure and the air density is 5% above or below what they expect? Will the landing still work? What if there are winds? What if the orientation of the attitude adjustment engines are 0.5° off? What if the fuel burns 0.1% hotter than they planned in their "ideal case"? What if all those uncertainties make them come in 4° too high? Too low? Can they correct this?

Trust me, these calculations have been made, long ago, and provision and margins of error have been laid in. And yet, the real thing always has surprises.... I really hope the surprises are within acceptable bounds. And that everyone was clear about whether they are using feet or meters.

No, the error analysis for this mission is stunningly interesting to me. I can't imagine what the people who planned this are thinking and feeling right now. Imagine you're a mom who supported your girl's dream to do the balance beam, and now there she is, in the Olympics, about to do the mount in front of a worldwide audience, but she's down there on her own and you're in your seat in the crowd and can't say a thing she'll hear. She will succeed or fail, all on her own.

Yes, I've been watching too much Olympics.




And to top it off, it all has to be done on the fly by the craft itself. It needs some sort of autonomous control system to account for those errors on the fly, because in this case, the "mom" or "coach" isn't just in the stands - the stands are 15 minutes away, so any coaching is going to come well after the performance is already over.

By all indications, it worked beautifully, though. I'm stunned and overjoyed by this news.



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Monday, August 6, 2012 2:08 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by cljohnston108:
This was the shiniest thing I've ever seen! Congratulations to all involved!

(There's about a 35-second lag in the audio from the NASA-TV feed)



Thank you for the video. I missed footage of this last night. Wow. So cool! And they got images within minutes.

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Monday, August 6, 2012 3:30 AM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


I didn't dare hope. un-FREAKING-believable!

THANKS! for the link Kwicko.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Monday, August 6, 2012 9:33 AM

CLJOHNSTON108


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
THANKS! for the link Kwicko.


You're welcome!

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Monday, August 6, 2012 9:56 AM

CHRISISALL


There are no words... awesome? Too small...

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Monday, August 6, 2012 12:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by cljohnston108:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
THANKS! for the link Kwicko.


You're welcome!




Credit where it's due - that was CL, not me!

And thanks for the link, CL!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


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Monday, August 6, 2012 2:46 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


OH ... OOPS!

THANKS! for the link cljohnston108!

I am still unbelievably pleased. Giddy in fact. And your link was the best cherry on the top ever.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Monday, August 6, 2012 3:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And just because it's so goddam funny...









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Monday, August 6, 2012 4:58 PM

MAL4PREZ


Where have you been getting all of this, Mike? They rock!

However, I'm waiting for the first color pictures from Curiosity, and results from all that lab equipment. Years of good stuff is looking to come of this. I haven't looked into the plans in detail, but I wonder if there is a path planned to get out of the crater. Wouldn't it suck if, after all this, they stuck it in a valley where it will just circle and circle? (OK, given the landing they just pulled off, I doubt NASA did something so silly.)

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Monday, August 6, 2012 5:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Thanks, M4P - these are coming from my facebook feed, and are meant to be freely shared.

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Monday, August 6, 2012 5:44 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


"... results from all that lab equipment ..."

FWIW I know one of the people who worked on the impedance probe at JPL to determine how much subsurface water there is on Mars, and what state it's in. I also know another person who does JPL financial support work. I feel lucky to be even indirectly associated with the effort through them, and am still SO pleased. MOST AWESOME.

ETA: Many years in the past I'd been in contact with JPL people who were designing a self-directing independent rover and running it along the streets of Pasadena. But my interest was very limited to their 'odor' (volatile chemical sensing) detectors as well as their deconvolution routine to determine the geographic source(s). That whole thing about designing a program to map the environment, to develop an independent search routine and to seek a source location - whole 'nother ball game.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Monday, August 6, 2012 6:02 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


Oh, also: "... I wonder if there is a path planned to get out of the crater. Wouldn't it suck if, after all this, they stuck it in a valley where it will just circle and circle? (OK, given the landing they just pulled off, I doubt NASA did something so silly.)" The simulation I saw (somewhere) showed it aiming for the inside of the crater. It seemed like they really wanted to be there for a particular reason.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Monday, August 6, 2012 11:51 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Yes, but did they find the Illudium PU-36 explosive space modulator yet ?


-F

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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, also: "... I wonder if there is a path planned to get out of the crater. Wouldn't it suck if, after all this, they stuck it in a valley where it will just circle and circle? (OK, given the landing they just pulled off, I doubt NASA did something so silly.)" The simulation I saw (somewhere) showed it aiming for the inside of the crater. It seemed like they really wanted to be there for a particular reason.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.




Water, I believe. They aimed it for that crater because they've detected water there, if I'm not mistaken.

And the rover is eventually supposed to climb a peak known as Mt. Sharp, seen here:



Is that ice at the top? Curiosity aims to find out!



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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 2:01 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



If Mars already didn't have the reputation of being a junkyard for probes and this were "just" another typical landing, on another world, it'd be a stunning achievement.

But because Mars has earned that rep, and because this landing was so more complicated than any other, I was thinking our guys ( and gals ) @ NASA had tried to go a bridge too far w/ this one.

I had to watch the replay, via my xBox app, as well as following via twitter, and still, it was ... there are no words.



And yeah. I got a little teary eyed at the scene from the control room... well done, NASA. Bravo.


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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 2:57 AM

CLJOHNSTON108


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
OH ... OOPS!

THANKS! for the link cljohnston108!

I am still unbelievably pleased. Giddy in fact. And your link was the best cherry on the top ever.


Yeah, I keep replaying that moment: "Touchdown! We're safe on Mars!" over & over.
Just brings up happy tears of pride.





You'll no doubt want to keep an eye on NASAtelevision's YouTube channel...



EDIT: Ooooh, hey, forgot these...





HiRIRISE | HiRISE Captures MSL's Descent to Mars
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/releases/msl-descent.php

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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Great stuff! I've been unable to watch the post game highlights.




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Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Ruh-roh.


Latest pictures from Mars are a bit worrying.











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Wednesday, August 8, 2012 1:53 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Apparently the guy with the mohawk is gettin a lot of feminine attention these days, hehehehe.
Maybe a case of be careful what you wish for ?

-F

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Wednesday, August 8, 2012 3:46 AM

CLJOHNSTON108


Just a reminder that the best place to see the latest Curiosity images as they come in is here...
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/

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Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by cljohnston108:
Just a reminder that the best place to see the latest Curiosity images as they come in is here...
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw



I've been looking around for the latest photos these past couple of days and coming up empty, so thanks for the link!


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Wednesday, August 8, 2012 8:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


... and then there's SarcasticRover...






https://twitter.com/SarcasticRover



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Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Correction... just crushed a MARTIAN rock, which is made up of tiny, smaller bits of Martian rock! Science IS amazing!


Was glad Curiosity was able to raise the ol' main mast. Which is impressive, as she's a chick and all.



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Thursday, August 9, 2012 12:45 AM

CLJOHNSTON108


Favorite ones so far...

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
Accidentally ran over an alien - buried it - killed all witnesses - no cops on Mars. Perfect crime!!!
10:36 AM - 6 Aug 12

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
Hey does that Mayan calendar bullshit apply to Mars, or can I just watch you all die from here? MAYA2012!!!
9:08 AM - 7 Aug 12

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 1:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Speaking of calendars and time and such there, I find it cool that a solar day on Mars is about the same as a day on Earth. It's like 24hrs, 39 minutes and 35 seconds, give or take.


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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 3:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 3:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I'm voting for a Mormon, despite the fact that our views differ wildly on certain issues.

On matters of understanding economics and what it'll take to get the country WORKING again, which pertain far more to the job description of President, Mitt is light years ahead of Comrade Obama.


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Thursday, August 9, 2012 4:59 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by cljohnston108:
Favorite ones so far...

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
Accidentally ran over an alien - buried it - killed all witnesses - no cops on Mars. Perfect crime!!!
10:36 AM - 6 Aug 12

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
Hey does that Mayan calendar bullshit apply to Mars, or can I just watch you all die from here? MAYA2012!!!
9:08 AM - 7 Aug 12



I don't know who this SR schmoe thinks he/she is, but as an enthusiastic supporter of this Mars program I have to say.... I'd like to sit down and have a beer with him/her LOL! What a hoot!

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Friday, August 10, 2012 2:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero



Hey Kwick,

I hate to say it, but that Dawkins guy is kind of a dick. Is this really a quote of his? It can't be real... It has to be somebody completely misquoting him and making a joke. If it isn't a quote of his, please disregard the rest of this post in reply of the pic.



First, talking about "halves" he's delusional. If you add up every person in the world who is an athiest vs. every person in the world who believes in one form of religion or another, there is no "half" about it. I don't even need to do the research on that. Even you can concede that you don't believe that 50 percent of the world population is atheistic.

Second, the comment "the half that believes the world is 6,000 years old" is completely asenine. I grew up Catholic and, though I was never confirmed Catholic, I never once heard anyone in my family or at church even mention this. My first time ever hearing this was on the internet well after I was 20 years old.

Third, I believe the "6,000 years old" theory is something that is exclusive to certain types of Christians and not any other religion. According to Dawkins' quote here, that means that half of the people in the world are that crazy form of Christian and the other half are athiest. I guess Dawkins just wiped out Jews, Catholics (and many other Christian Religions), Muslims, Voodoo practitioners, Wicans, Satanists and hundreds of other religions in one paragraph.

What a powerful man. Adolph Hitler is smiling in his grave now for the first one, and I can think of several rabid Christian looneys that are loving the rest of the aftermath of that powerful quote.



"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, August 10, 2012 3:15 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You pretty clearly missed that part of the quote where he specifically referenced AMERICA and half the COUNTRY being prepared to vote for Romney.


Are you saying there's no way half (or more) of the voters in America will vote for Romney?


If you don't believe the fundamentalist claptrap, good for you. Maybe you should be talking to the people running the GOP and the tea parties, though, because they seem to be kowtowing to the hard-right talibangelists.




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Friday, August 10, 2012 3:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Because voting for political leaders who feel and talk to the spirits of the dead is so much more sane than anything TEA party or GOP voters believe.

Got it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Friday, August 10, 2012 7:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Because voting for political leaders who feel and talk to the spirits of the dead is so much more sane than anything TEA party or GOP voters believe.

Got it.




Can you show me any non-Christian Tea Party or GOP leaders? Because every so-called Christian claims to "feel and talk to the spirits of the dead". I'm willing to bet that every political leader you've supported does that.



And while you're at it, can you show me how a Mars mission is in any way a proper function of government? I mean, I know *I* dig space exploration, but all you "small gubmint!" types really have no place being happy about this mission, do you?



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Friday, August 10, 2012 10:12 AM

CLJOHNSTON108


Quote:

Originally posted by AURAPTOR:

Speaking of calendars and time and such there, I find it cool that a solar day on Mars is about the same as a day on Earth. It's like 24hrs, 39 minutes and 35 seconds, give or take.


Here's a cool li'l application I've used since Spirit & Opportunity landed...



NASA GISS: Mars24 Sunclock — Time on Mars
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/mars24/

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:03 AM

MAL4PREZ


Cool picture of the landing site makes APOD today:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120811.html

You can see the burn marks made by the stage that dropped it off.

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 12:38 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Cool picture of the landing site makes APOD today:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120811.html

You can see the burn marks made by the stage that dropped it off.

Nice pic!!
Hey, is that John Carter in the background?

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Nice pic!!
Hey, is that John Carter in the background?



Who?





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:48 PM

CHRISISALL


You're right, it just some pixars.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Can you show me any non-Christian Tea Party or GOP leaders? Because every so-called Christian claims to "feel and talk to the spirits of the dead". I'm willing to bet that every political leader you've supported does that.


Every political leader DOES do that, and yet you felt the need to omit criticizing those on the Left for doing exactly what those on the Right do.

I don't care if elected officials talks to Mr Hat, as long as they can cut back on the lunacy of massive debt that's accumulated.

And why the hell did YOU feel it necessary to interject politics and religion into a thread concerning the Mars Curiosity landing?

Troll much ?

Quote:



And while you're at it, can you show me how a Mars mission is in any way a proper function of government? I mean, I know *I* dig space exploration, but all you "small gubmint!" types really have no place being happy about this mission, do you?



Yes, we do have a place in being happy about this. Roads and bridges are to the benefit of all, as well as a standing military, for the common defense. I approve of this type of spending, as it doesn't infringe onto the rights of any others, and benefits ALL humanity, not just US citizens.

Technically speaking, no, it doesn't fall in w/ what the Founding Fathers might have viewed as " the proper function of govt ", but hey... sometimes you gotta say " What the fuck ".

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Can you show me any non-Christian Tea Party or GOP leaders? Because every so-called Christian claims to "feel and talk to the spirits of the dead". I'm willing to bet that every political leader you've supported does that.


Every political leader DOES do that, and yet you felt the need to omit criticizing those on the Left for doing exactly what those on the Right do.



And you felt the need to omit any criticism of those on the right for doing it, and singling out and ridiculing one person for it.

Troll much?

Quote:


I don't care if elected officials talks to Mr Hat, as long as they can cut back on the lunacy of massive debt that's accumulated.



Most of which was accumulated under GOP leadership, by the way. You routinely fail to mention that, and you routinely follow GOP leaders who claim that "deficits don't matter." So you don't care who they're talking to, as long as they're speaking your language, eh?

Quote:


And why the hell did YOU feel it necessary to interject politics and religion into a thread concerning the Mars Curiosity landing?




Does NASA not spend taxpayer money on these missions? That makes it political. If you have a problem with religion being brought up in a discussion about science, take it up with your political party and tell them to knock that shit off.


Quote:


Yes, we do have a place in being happy about this. Roads and bridges are to the benefit of all, as well as a standing military, for the common defense. I approve of this type of spending, as it doesn't infringe onto the rights of any others, and benefits ALL humanity, not just US citizens.



Did you just imply that "you didn't build that"?

How does a Mars mission aid the common defense? You're not so stupid as to believe we're being invaded by Martians, are you? (I'm honestly not sure anymore when it comes to what level of lunacy you'll believe)

Quote:


Technically speaking, no, it doesn't fall in w/ what the Founding Fathers might have viewed as " the proper function of govt ", but hey... sometimes you gotta say " What the fuck ".



So you're fine with blowing taxpayer money on stuff just because you get off on it, regardless of whether or not it's a legitimate government function. Just not when it comes to the health of the American people. Got it.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I see you can't help yourself in trolling more and more, to crap on the theme of this thread, simply because you're such a small minded, bitter individual.

Quote:

Most of which was accumulated under GOP leadership, by the way


A complete and total lie, by the way. But that's what you do. Say and post anything, no matter how wrong, twisted or distorted from reality.

Meh.

Glad we're on Mars again, props to NASA, for doing what it was DESIGNED to do, ( and not teach Muslim nations to feel good about themselves ) and here's to continued success for Curiosity and her team !



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 1:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Quote:

Most of which was accumulated under GOP leadership, by the way


A complete and total lie, by the way. But that's what you do. Say and post anything, no matter how wrong, twisted or distorted from reality.

Meh.




Really? You dispute that our debt increases more under Republican presidential leadership?

Let's have a look at the numbers, shall we?


FY End / Debt Outstanding / President

09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79 Obama

09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75 W. Bush
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06 Clinton
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38 HW Bush
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32 Reagan
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 1,142,034,000,000.00

09/30/1981 997,855,000,000.00 Carter
09/30/1980 907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 771,544,000,000.00

09/30/1977 698,840,000,000.00 Ford
06/30/1976 620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 533,189,000,000.00 Nixon
06/30/1974 475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 370,918,706,949.93

06/30/1969 353,720,253,841.41 Johnson
06/30/1968 347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 311,712,899,257.30 Kennedy
06/30/1963 305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 288,970,938,610.05

06/30/1960 286,330,760,848.37 Eisenhower
06/30/1959 284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57

06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43 Truman
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04



You were saying?


You keep accusing me of "lying"; I do not think that word means what you think it means.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:00 PM

MAL4PREZ


OMG. Why does every single fucking thread turn into you two getting it on?

Talk about how cool the Mars landing is, or go get a room in troll land. This is ridiculous.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Twitter feed for the real Curiosity rover:

https://twitter.com/marscuriosity



SarcasticRover is funnier, though. :)



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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