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Obama angers Poles with 'death camp' remark

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:30 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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President Barack Obama has caused an outcry in Poland after referring to a Nazi death camp as "Polish".

He made the remark at a ceremony in which he posthumously awarded Polish resistance fighter Jan Karski with the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

The White House says Mr Obama "misspoke" and regrets the comment but prominent Poles want an apology.

Poles suffered a brutal Nazi wartime occupation and reject any suggestion of responsibility for Nazi crimes.

Poles are particularly sensitive to comments linking their country to the Holocaust.

For years, they have objected to any description of Nazi German death camps as "Polish" because it can indicate involvement in the mass murder of millions of European Jews in camps built on their land.

Apology demanded

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk stopped short of calling for an apology but said he wanted to see more than an expression of regret.

"I am convinced that today our American friends are capable of a stronger reaction... than just the correction itself and the regret which we heard from the White House spokesperson," Mr Tusk said in a statement.

But Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski was more forthright. "The White House will apologise for the outrageous mistake," he tweeted.

At the Medal of Freedom ceremony, President Obama spoke of Mr Karski's efforts to draw attention to Nazi crimes in Poland.

Mr Karski had travelled first to London and then to the US to tell wartime President Franklin Roosevelt what he had witnessed.

"Before one trip across enemy lines, resistance fighters told him that Jews were being murdered on a massive scale, and smuggled him into the Warsaw Ghetto and a Polish death camp to see for himself," President Obama said.

Jan Karski later taught at Georgetown University and died in Washington aged 86 in 2000.

Almost six million Poles died in World War II. More than half were Jews, many of them killed in Nazi death camps including the infamous Auschwitz-Birkenau camp.

Some 1.1 million people were killed at Auschwitz, including 300,000 Polish Jews.

Polish diplomats and overseas organisations have campaigned to stop the use of the phrase "Polish death camps" as a shorthand description of Auschwitz or Treblinka, the BBC's Warsaw correspondent Adam Easton reports.

"We should use this huge gaffe to make sure nobody, nowhere in the world, ever says that again," Polish Nobel Peace Prize winner Lech Walesa said.



Appears Pres. Obama might need some proof-readers as well.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18264036

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Maybe he got a little confused and was thinking of our Death Camps there.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304177104577311561379340
038.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/9169366/Poland
-ex-spy-boss-charged-over-alleged-CIA-secret-prison.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/28/poland-cia-terror-suspect-
torture


And maybe because of that, the Polish are a little sensitive about the topic right now.
You'd think they'd fucking KNOW better than to cooperate with shit like that by now.

-Frem

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:11 AM

BYTEMITE


I don't think ANYONE thinks the polish people are responsible for the Nazi death camps. I'm not even sure where they would get the idea. A cursory analysis of the language suggests that the intended meaning was obviously "Nazi Death Camps located in Poland."

I'm not sure if they're being too sensitive or if foreign nations think all Americans are dumb and ignorant enough to mix up such important historical facts.

Frem: hmm, interesting. Being defensive about the eastern europe CIA camps COULD potentially explain the exaggerated response. If they don't like people even talking about the Nazi death camps, it suggests a concern about the modern death camps being exposed.

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:19 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


The Poles are very critical about being mentioned with anything to do with Nazi Germany.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:39 AM

BYTEMITE


Including acknowledging that the Nazis killed whole bunches of them? It's strange.

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I don't think ANYONE thinks the polish people are responsible for the Nazi death camps. I'm not even sure where they would get the idea. A cursory analysis of the language suggests that the intended meaning was obviously "Nazi Death Camps located in Poland."

I'm not sure if they're being too sensitive or if foreign nations think all Americans are dumb and ignorant enough to mix up such important historical facts.

Frem: hmm, interesting. Being defensive about the eastern europe CIA camps COULD potentially explain the exaggerated response. If they don't like people even talking about the Nazi death camps, it suggests a concern about the modern death camps being exposed.




That's what I figured it was - inelegantly stated, definitely, but not intended to mean that the death camps were run and manned by Polish soldiers , rather that they were Nazi death camps located inside Poland.



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Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:34 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Yeah I saw this story yesterday. Thought Auraptor and geezer had missed it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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