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The LEFT'S ongoing, never ending war on women.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:13 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


ETA: Something just caught my eye and made me smile. When you consider the long history of humans, you COULD call it an ongoing, never-ending war on women by MEN, period. Women as chattel, women as property, women married off for profit, women having to hide pregnancy, women's periods being blamed for their emotions, women not being allowed to vote, women not being allowed to own property, women not being allowed to drive, etc., women having difficulty proving they were raped, women being paid less, and some of those still today, with the addition of women being denied contraception (or fired for using it), women's choices about their own bodies taken away from them, women's DOCTORS being forced not to tell them of a pregnancy which might endanger their lives, and on and on and on. It's only relatively recently that the war has been from the right; it's always been an ongoing, never-ending war.



Absolutely. Women have been treated more like property than people for a depressingly large chunk of history. Though things have changed, they havn't changed enough, and sadly, some are intent on rolling back even those.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




Anyone seen the video of where TEA party folks were bashing effigies of Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton or Janet Napollitano ?

Anyone? Anyone ?



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


More from the front lines of the GOP's war on women:

Quote:

Top VAWA Opponents Partnered with Convicted Wife-Beater and Group Tied to Mail Order Bride Firm
Submitted by Josh Glasstetter on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 12:57pm
The House of Representatives is poised to pass a hobbled version of the Violence Against Women Act Reauthorization (VAWA) later today. The House GOP version actually rolls back some current protections and excludes other key protections contained in the Senate version of the bill, which was passed with bipartisan support in April.

In past years, VAWA enjoyed bipartisan support and garnered little controversy. This time around, however, top Religious Right groups have rallied against the bill due to the protections it would extend to immigrant, Native American, and LGBT victims of domestic abuse. These groups, including the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America, Eagle Forum, and the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, made noise on Capitol Hill and are most directly responsible for the events that will unfold in the House today.

It’s worth noting then that these groups partnered in their lobbying efforts with a convicted wife-beater and a group tied to a mail order bride firm. The anti-VAWA coalition, led by Concerned Women for America, wrote earlier this year to Senators:
We, the undersigned, representing millions of Americans nationwide, are writing today to oppose the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA). This nice-sounding bill is deceitful because it destroys the family by obscuring real violence in order to promote the feminist agenda. […]

There is no denying the very real problem of violence against women and children. However, the programs promoted in VAWA are harmful for families. VAWA often encourages the demise of the family as a means to eliminate violence.

Further, this legislation continues to use overly broad definitions of domestic violence. These broad definitions actually squander the resources for victims of actual violence by failing to properly prioritize and assess victims. Victims who can show physical evidence of abuse should be our primary focus.
The letter was signed by leaders from major Religious Right groups like FRC, Eagle Forum, Liberty Counsel, Traditional Values Coalition, and the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. It was also signed by Timothy Johnson, former vice chair of the North Carolina Republican Party and founder and president of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a small organization focused on outreach to conservative African Americans.

But there’s a big problem with partnering with Johnson on an issue like VAWA, and it’s been widely reported. Back in 2009, when Johnson was running for vice chair of the NC GOP, the media reported on his felony domestic violence conviction from 1996. He responded by releasing a statement of support from his ex-wife – “Were I a resident of the state I would vote for him.” Except she never said that. Months later the media reported that Johnson had fabricated the endorsement:
"I absolutely did not say that," Ofelia Felix-Johnson, now living in Nebraska, tells Xpress. "This was not done with my consent, and I didn’t even know about it. I didn’t appreciate him putting my name out there when I had nothing to do with it.”
On the other hand, this did happen, as Sarah Posner reported at Alternet:
According to court records, Johnson was arrested on Christmas Day 1995 in Cleveland, Ohio, and was later indicted by a grand jury for two felony counts, one of felonious assault and the other of kidnapping. According to the arrest report, when the police arrived, they found Felix-Johnson bleeding from the face. Timothy Johnson told the officers, according to their report, “I admit it. I hit her, that's the only way I can get her attention.” Felix-Johnson told the officers he restrained her on the couch, holding down her neck. One officer reports Ofelia Felix-Johnson saying that Johnson also punched her breasts, saying that she had no heart, and hit her over the back and buttocks with a plastic shoe rack, breaking the rack. The police report in the court file states that Johnson broke his wife's nose and toes, causing her to be hospitalized.
Johnson pleaded guilty to one count of felony aggravated assault and was sentenced to 18 months in prison, which was suspended. A few years later, Johnson was arrested again on domestic violence charges:
In 1998, Johnson was arrested by the Perrysburg Police, again on domestic violence charges. According to the police report, Johnson provided a "very similar" account of the incident to that his wife Ofelia and 14-year-old son gave police. Both wife and son reported that Johnson had Ofelia Felix-Johnson in a wrist lock, and when the son attempted to stop Johnson from hurting his mother, Johnson put the son in a head lock such that he was "unable to breathe and was choking up food," according to the police report. After the son broke free, the police report continues, Johnson "put his right hand around [the boy's] throat and pushed [him] against the wall with his back to the wall and choked [the boy] for about 5 seconds."

According to court records, Ofelia Felix-Johnson did not appear for the hearing, and the charges were dismissed. Johnson told AlterNet that "the incident that took place wasn't domestic violence. My ex-wife and I had a disagreement. And as always, well the person says, well I know you have this past on you so I'll just call the police. And as you said, there was no conviction and there was no trial. You know why? Because there was nothing there."
Given Johnson’s well-reported history of domestic violence and well-reported efforts to fabricate support from his battered ex-wife, it boggles the mind that Religious Right leaders would sign on to the above letter with him. In fact, their partnership with Johnson seems to take the War on Women to an entirely new level.

Another notable name on that letter is Philip Cook, the director of Stop Abusive and Violent Environments (SAVE), on whose site the letter is hosted. SAVE has been lobbying House Republicans, with much success, to roll back protections for immigrant victims of domestic violence under VAWA. As Laura Bassett reported last week at the Huffington Post, SAVE’s treasurer “has a major financial interest in reducing immigrant protections”:
Natasha Spivack, started international "marriage service" Encounters International in 1993 with the aim of arranging marriages between U.S. men and Russian women. "The Woman Of Your Dreams Just May have a Russian Accent," states the company's website.

A federal jury in Baltimore awarded one of the Russian brides matched by Encounters International a settlement of $434,000 after she claimed to have been beaten by her American husband and claimed that the company failed to screen candidates properly. The woman also claimed that Encounters International neglected to tell her about a law allowing immigrants to escape abusive marriages without fear of automatic deportation. […]

Rosie Hidalgo, director of public policy for the anti-domestic violence organization Casa de Esperanza, said she has notified Republican members of the House Judiciary Committee that SAVE Services had strong connections to Encounters International, and pointed out that there have been no studies documenting immigration fraud on the part of U.S. anti-domestic violence programs.

"It's shocking to me that the people who are advocating for these anti-immigrant provisions are the people who have a monetary interest in not holding batterers accountable and not holding marriage broker agencies accountable," she told HuffPost. "These are the ones reaching out to House Republicans, and Republicans are supporting the policies they're pushing."
This is the company that the Religious Right keeps, and they sadly have a great deal of influence in the House. Today’s vote in the House will reveal just how much.




http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/top-vawa-opponents-partnered-con
victed-wife-beater-and-group-tied-mail-order-bride-firm



When one of your main supporters is a former GOP official with felony convictions for being a wife-beater, you know you're on the wrong side of the issue.

Rappy's upset that someone hit a piñata, but he will be completely fine with this guy who beat his wife so badly she had to be hospitalized, and then had the gall to fabricate statements allegedly from her in support of his election!

But of course, Rappy likes fabricating statements about things that never happened, too.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The Left's hatred of women even goes into the womb...







" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, June 2, 2012 5:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Whatever "Rappy" says about it....

Planned Parenthood (Notice my lack of quotes), is actually really a scary thing.

Read "A Brave New World"......

First there's a "Plan" that the parents endorse....

One day, the "Plan" takes over....

200 years later words like "Mother" and "Father" are considered "curse words", worse than any of those not allowed on commercial TV today, and all babies "born" are born out of the womb and left to the whims of scientists to make the offspring love their job, no matter how grandiose or menial, based off of genetics and how much they shake the canister and deprive the baby of oxygen without killing them.



It's cool....go ahead and tell me I'm full of shit about it.

I'm used to that.

I have people I know telling me I was right after they get mailed speeding tickets and now that their house is worth 1/3 of what they paid for it and it will take them another 10 years just to pay off enough to break even on their loan.


Planned Parenthood is where it's at, for sure....

"Your kid won't have blue eyes, although you had a 1 in 4 shot it would"

"Oh, really!!!! That won't do!!!! Abort it!!!!"

"No problem, Mrs Rilley... just slide your credit card in the slot. Better luck next time...... "

FOUR YEARS LATER:

A phonecall...

"Hello?"

"Hello. Mrs Rilley?"

"Yes, who is calling?"

"We're from Planned Parenthood and we have you on file as trying to have a blue eyed child for 4 years and we've seen you've have 3 aborted attemtps and that you also haven't tried for well over a year"

"Well, yes".

"What would you say if we had a revolutionary process that would ensure your future child would have blue eyes, and whatever sex or hair color you wanted to boot?"

"Sign me up!!!!!!!"




As futuristic as Jamiroquai seems, he was just putting words written from brilliant books from far before he was a fetus into an AWESOME song!

"Brave New World" condensed in less than 4 minutes of singing and choreography awesomeness!




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Saturday, June 2, 2012 7:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Rent Gattaca, Jack - you'll like it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca

That said, I got no real issue with such technologies, so much as the use of em folks think up, sure.
But tech is ALWAYS a double edged sword, always.

-F

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Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Rent Gattaca, Jack - you'll like it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca

That said, I got no real issue with such technologies, so much as the use of em folks think up, sure.
But tech is ALWAYS a double edged sword, always.

-F



You don't fool me Frem....

The double-edged sword is exactly what you're afraid of....



The way I figure it, they're already 20 years ahead of mainstream and it's already happening in the Celeb circles....

How else could you explain girls back to young Britney Spears and Denice Richards in the late 90's?

It's a hard argument to make, I fully understand, because girls in media are constantly "improved", but you have to admit that the both of them in the very late 90's were on a level not compared to any teen or overall celeb idols before them.

If you asked one of my best friends back in the day what I said about Denise Richards after seeing Her in Stormship Troopers, I said that she was a Robot.



Did they actually find the PERFECT Human specimen, after scouring thousands of malls over America, or did they take the shortcut and just pick the top of the crop from hundreds or even thousands of genetically engineered perfect Women who it would be so much cheaper to fabricate an identity around when the populace embraced her????????? Parents, and siblings and pets and past included????



I know it sounds crazy... but if anything, I would suggest that the women reading might think more about it.

The only REAL man that Denise Richards wasn't capable of completely enslaving was Charlie Sheen.

After over a year with "the Goddesses", which included irresistible Bree Olson, he was bat-shit insane...

He actually said online that he would mail his wife's severed head to his mother....





Loving celebs when you're nobody is an entirely differently ordeal than actually being in the position of being able to see those dreams come true. In truth, they're nightmares....

I would never want to wake up in the morning and be Charlie Sheen, having knowledge of what I'd done the night before in my blissful reverie......

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Sunday, June 3, 2012 6:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Lefties hate women, don't they...... lol?

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Monday, June 4, 2012 12:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Not nearly as much as you righties do, apparently.

I, in fact, love women. I've loved many of them personally.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 5:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not nearly as much as you righties do, apparently.

I, in fact, love women. I've loved many of them personally.



Yup...

Been there, done that brotha....

How's that worked out for ya, all politics aside?

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quite well, actually. No kids, no STDs, no unplanned pregnancies (or planned ones, for that matter), and many women loved deeply and differently.



I was lucky enough to meet a woman 23 years ago who not only loves me, but is my best friend in the world.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I was lucky enough to meet a woman 23 years ago who not only loves me, but is my best friend in the world.





You found your "Sarah".....

Good for you man, really...

Still searching for my Sarah.


Anything short of whatever I can make for myself is not Sarah.....

I'm so tired of meaningless sex that I could probably orchestrate better myself...

Where do you find a not-for-the-night, and-maybe-longer-term Kwick?



Most of my Ex's are married now, and many of them are far to fat and old for me to ever be attracted to if we were "just starting" now......

I'm still stuck on this fantasy of being the 40 something marrying a needy girl with a kid that was only 21 years old, like my Dad did.... but even now he's 60 and she's just 40....

I think I'll just stay single and live in my own fantasies Kwick.....

They're far better in the long run for me....


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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:40 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


well you could start by thinking of them as individuals and not as some separate species, and a separate species that has been designed to meet your every fantasy and need at that.

Even 21 year olds get old and sometimes fat. If lust is all you have, that will fade and unless something else is there, friendship, respect, caring, then you're kind of left with nothing.


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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
well you could start by thinking of them as individuals...




That's the point I've been trying to make. People are just that, individuals. We're not merely defined by this or that 'group'. We're not 'gay','black','male','female', etc...


as Captain says..


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:48 AM

STORYMARK


Meanwhile, Republicans once again blocked a vote on the proposed equal pay for women bill, yesterday.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, you gotta love that one. When I heard it had failed in the Senate yesterday I thought "How the hell did it not pass in the SENATE!?"...then I realized that NOTHING can pass the Senate without a super-majority. Silly me. In other words, in reality the Republicans control BOTH House and Senate. THAT's why nothing's been done!
Quote:

Critics said the law would spur a rash of lawsuits against employers at a time when the U.S. economy is struggling to create jobs. But backers point to data showing that women on average are paid 77 cents for every dollar earned by men doing the same job.

"When women get a mortgage, we don't get a 23 percent discount," said Democratic Senator Barbara Mikulski, the bill's chief sponsor. "When we go to buy food, we don't get a 23 percent discount. When we go to pay our utility bills, they don't say you're paid less; we're going to give you a discount. No."

The bill aims to close the pay gap between men and women by requiring employers to show that any pay disparities are based on work-related factors such as education, training and experience. It also would update current fair pay laws by barring employers from punishing workers who share information about their pay.

Republican critics said the legislation, which would allow women to pursue punitive damages in wage discrimination cases, would encourage too many frivolous court cases.

"Unfortunately, the only winners under this legislation would be trial lawyers, giving them a windfall," said Republican Senator Dean Heller. "This legislation opens the door to frivolous lawsuits which already cost our economy billions of dollars every year."

Let's see, Lilly Ledbetter is a law, right? Ergo, it is already illegal to pay women less than men. Ergo, if a company pays women less than men, they're breaking the law. If you break the law, people have the right to sue, right? But you can't sue unless you can PROVE someone broke the law.

So it's a good trick. Don't make it possible for people to PROVE women are paid less than men; as long as they can't, nobody can demand equality. Works for the right!


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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Meanwhile, Republicans once again blocked a vote on the proposed equal pay for women bill, yesterday.




Yup, and every Republican senator voted against it except one, who didn't show up for the vote at all.

But it's "the LEFT" that's at war against women. Sure. Uh-huh.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:52 AM

STORYMARK


We should move this discussion to the appropriate thread about the "WoW" rather than continuing to bump Rappy's bullshit distraction thread.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:19 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

That's the point I've been trying to make. People are just that, individuals. We're not merely defined by this or that 'group'. We're not 'gay','black','male','female', etc...





Just because we are individuals does not mean there are not any differences between us.

Last time I checked, men could not get pregnant, so laws around reproduction primarily affect women, who as individuals want to make their own decisions around things.

I hope this clarifies the meanings of words for you.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:49 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


RANT: I don't really like it when people call their spouses their best friends, at least in an exclusive setting. Best platonic friends who love you very much in their own way are very important and we resent deeply having our honor title stripped cruelly from us. Wives and husbands already have an honor title and thus they don't need to steal ours away from us. Being a spouse already means you're no. 1, until children come along anyways, so don't steal our honor titles too.

Quicko, I don't care if you say this and really don't have any platonic best friends, but if you do have some close platonic friends who may love you please don't dishonor them, and yourself in the process, by demoting them.
END OF RANT
My best friend's husband did this to me, in front of me, and she went along with it (hopefully she felt compelled and didn't do it of her own valition. It was the most hurtful experience I've ever had with another human being and it has created a problem between her and I because I can't tell her how much it hurt me because she'll tell him and he holds unnatural power over her and could turn her against me. Someday the pain will become too great and I'll have to be honest, but I don't look forward to that day because it could be the beginning of the end, but really, aren't we there already? I'm conflicted.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 2:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
well you could start by thinking of them as individuals...




That's the point I've been trying to make. People are just that, individuals. We're not merely defined by this or that 'group'. We're not 'gay','black','male','female', etc...





An odd sentiment from you, especially considering the title YOU put on YOUR thread here.

You consistently refer to "the Left" as if it is a single entity, a monolithic force, not a coalition of individuals with differing views and concerns.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 2:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
RANT: I don't really like it when people call their spouses their best friends, at least in an exclusive setting. Best platonic friends who love you very much in their own way are very important and we resent deeply having our honor title stripped cruelly from us. Wives and husbands already have an honor title and thus they don't need to steal ours away from us. Being a spouse already means you're no. 1, until children come along anyways, so don't steal our honor titles too.

Quicko, I don't care if you say this and really don't have any platonic best friends, but if you do have some close platonic friends who may love you please don't dishonor them, and yourself in the process, by demoting them.
END OF RANT
My best friend's husband did this to me, in front of me, and she went along with it (hopefully she felt compelled and didn't do it of her own valition. It was the most hurtful experience I've ever had with another human being and it has created a problem between her and I because I can't tell her how much it hurt me because she'll tell him and he holds unnatural power over her and could turn her against me. Someday the pain will become too great and I'll have to be honest, but I don't look forward to that day because it could be the beginning of the end, but really, aren't we there already? I'm conflicted.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.





Yes, Riona, I had another "best friend", but he blew his brains out. I didn't demote him; he seems to have demoted himself.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Jezus, Riona, that certainly was quite a rant. And I hate to tell you, but in some cases our mates ARE our best friends...Jim certainly is mine! He wasn't in the past, but in the last decade or more, he certainly has become so. Paula will always be my second, tho' I see so little of her anymore, and Choey comes a distant third. I love them all in different ways, but I think I kind of resent your saying you "own" a title and my husband isn't entitled to be my best friend. Wow.

Certainly, if someone is your best friend and essentially "disavows" that in front of her husband, that cuts and for VERY good reason, there's no excuse for that. I'd like to think she did it for diplomacy reasons, but it would certainly piss ME off too. And yes, often mates aren't their husband's or wife's best friends, but sometimes they ARE! I talk to Jim about things I wouldn't talk to ANYONE else about, and I trust him more than anyone I've ever known. So while I understand your pique at how your friend treated you, I also resent you saying our husbands can't be our best friends. (/rant)


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Thursday, June 7, 2012 7:34 AM

RIONAEIRE

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Wow Quicko, I can't imagine how hard that would be, losing someone like that.

Niki, I just think that the title of husband can imply such if wanted, so there's no need to dishonor best platonic friends by stripping their title. In my mind "best friend" is a platonic term, reserved for people whom you love in a non romantic context. One person, even one's no. one, shouldn't snap up all the honor titles in one's life, spread the love. But you can do what you want, I'll do what I want. I just think spreading awareness of this scenario is important and I've made it my mission to do so, because it causes a lot of hurt out there in the world and so many people don't even think about it.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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