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Man beaten by mob in critical condition

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Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:53 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Never heard that he dealt drugs or was a 'gang banger', but isn't it a fact he was kicked out of school for a bag containing weed residue ? Or a very small amount ? You can see how folks could easily jump to the 'dealer' conclusion, even w/ out it being stated. True or not.

If Malkin's site did post some pics claiming to be Trayvon, but then took them down, acknowledging the error, how is that 'fanning the flames ' of hate ?

How many folks actually saw those pics ( I'm pretty sure I never did ) vs how many heard the 'falsely edited' 9-1-1 call from NBC ?



It is the fact that he was suspended for have a bag with week residue. That does not make him a drug dealer or even a bad person. The problem is making the jump to drug dealer.

Even mistakes can fan the flames. Malkin's site should have checked and made sure the pictures where real before posting them. Her site was not the only one.

As far as how many folks, I don't know. I saw the pictures but never heard the edited tape.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I knew you wouldn't get it, Raptor, and there's no way I can make you understand that SAYING there will be violence fans the flames of hatred. That's how they've been doing it, by repeatedly saying that there will be blood, that the Blacks will rise and there will be violence. Fear breeds hate; telling people there will be violence by a certain group enhances the fear of that group, which leads to hatred of them. You can't see it because it's not obvious, and that's intentional.
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If one death results in any city street in America
is fear mongering--people like you see that as being "honest, direct, and to the point", which is how it works so well. Phrases such as "blood thirsty", "burning cities and innocent dead people" are emotional triggers; those on all sides use emotional triggers, because they work. All the smears about Martin as being a thug, drug dealer, etc., etc., also work excellently to sway the public into viewing him that way, which correlates to viewing all black people that way, and increases the fear which leads to hate.

What you don't get is that "comments sections" reflect what people have heard and accepted--they are valid in that they show the RESULTS of slanted reporting and fear mongering, which, again, feeds hate mongering. They're easy for you to dismiss, but that doesn't make them any less valid, as they show how false "facts" have influenced people, that people hear things and hang onto them even when proven otherwise, and how hate mongering brings the worst of what's inside people to the forefront.

I knew you wouldn't be able to recognize all this, so I'm not going to take the time to post material from the right wing which has made a concerted effort to portray Martin as a thug, drug dealer, etc. I showed how they utilized the photo of Martin which was actually on a protest sign to claim it was the "liberal media" which had photoshopped what turned out to be the ACTUAL photograph (Fox did, by the way), but I'll offer this, which describes exactly what right-wing media has done, which you accepted at face value and what in part caused you to put up this very thread:
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In Mobile, Alabama, a white man was hospitalized from a beating by a group of African-Americans after a dispute over the use of the street for a game of basketball. The assault was inexcusably brutal and the police are searching for suspects who deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. But that would not be a sufficiently sensational reaction for the twisted editors at Fox News. They published their stories on Fox News and Fox Nation this way:


The facts of this crime are fairly clear. It was an extreme overreaction to a neighborhood argument that concerned only the parties involved. It had absolutely nothing to do with the incident in Florida last month where an unarmed teenager was shot to death while walking home from the market. The only connecting factor was the claim by the victim’s sister that she heard one person say “Now that’s justice for Trayvon.” There have been no other witnesses who have corroborated her account, but even if there were the only significance of it would be that one of the perpetrators was a jerk in addition to being a thug.

That’s not how Fox News sees it. Their headline at Fox Nation veritably declares that the hoodlums who committed the assault were a “Justice for Trayvon Mob,” as if it were a political statement emanating from the Florida incident. Nothing in the facts of this crime point to that in even the most remote sense. The headline on Fox News itself states matter-of-factly that the “mob invoked Trayvon.” However there is only one unconfirmed report that a single witness alleged that a single person brought Trayvon’s name into this. That hardly justifies associating the whole mob’s actions with Trayvon. Fox’s headline also implies that this should be designated a hate crime despite any evidence of that being the case.

The entire purpose of these overt distortions is to fuel racial animus directed at Trayvon Martin specifically, and to African-Americans generally. There is a stench of incitement in Fox’s words that suggest their desire to stir up other racially motivated crimes or even full-on race riots. It is horribly irresponsible for a so-called news enterprise to sink to these depths of cynicism and antagonism.

From the very beginning of the Trayvon Martin incident, Fox News has tried to advance the impression that African-Americans are animals on the verge of erupting into violence. Fox has suggested that riots would occur if George Zimmerman were not arrested, or if he were not convicted. The view at Fox is that African-Americans are incapable of respecting the progress of justice. And even when no riots ensue, Fox can sit back smugly and celebrate having created the impression that civil unrest was narrowly averted.

These brazen tactics are designed to manufacture potentially dangerous hostilities and are more at home in the quarters of Klans and racist militias. http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=6946] News reports are suggesting that later today the authorities in Florida will announce charges against Trayvon Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman. Coverage of this story was handled by Fox News in a manner that is revealing and offensive – and wholly unique to Fox News:



This is a journalistic lynching. And note, this is not Fox Nation. It is the mothership, Fox News. The editors at this alleged “news” network are demonstrating their overt hostility to both African-Americans and journalistic ethics. If this picture doesn’t finally establish the overarching prejudice of Fox, it’s hard to know what will. http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=6851 don't recognize it, but you're manipulated by what you read and how it's portrayed, and it affects your thinking.

Just as it affects the thinking of those who hear the triggers and respond to them out of their own prejudices; they then post their hatred on the internet, which further spreads the lies and hate mongering to others, and away it goes:
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Trayvon Martin was apparently a 17 year old undisciplined punk thug, drug dealing, thief and wannabe gangsta…

Today many new facts surrounding Trayvon Martin have been discovered thanks to the New Media doing the work the Institutional Lame Stream Legacy Media refuses to do.

In short. This is perhaps the biggest national racial event since Rodney King. It is also shaping up to be the biggest media driven false public story since Richard Jewell. It’s in the process of becoming a watershed event; And it’s almost entirely fake. It’s a tempest in a tea-cup.

The whole thing is an institutionally media-generated racialist/communist psychopolitical agitator’s dream come true.

When the truth is being presented, one does not have to work so hard to control, portray obfuscate and spin. The media have been working very hard because the media has not been presenting ‘the truth’.
But now, against the shere weight of the truthtelling, research, and presentation of facts by the New Media, the Legacy media is beginning to backtrack. Their false construction is crumbling around them.

{There followed a version of the Zimmerman/Martin case which mirrors what the attempts to portray him as a "Bad Black" have managed to do. You can read it yourself if you're interested.}

But with a full measure of brutal honestly, another is the culpability of his non-engaged parents in creating a morally undisciplined teenager.

Their visible outrage now showcased in the media is understandable given their grief. But perhaps a dose of guilt is intertwined. It should be. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-was-appa
rently-a-17-year-old-undisciplined-punk-thug-drug-dealing-thief-and-wannabe-gangsta/
]
ETA: I just saw this in a post of yours in another thread. It made me smile, because it's so apropos to what I tried to explain in this post: "About how debunking something actually reinforces one's belief in that thing. ( I know, sounds screwy )"



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Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Please direct me to where you've seen the hate fanned from the Right, per the Zimmerman / Martin case, if you could.

* I'm ASKING, not dismissing your claim, out of hand. Honestly, I've not seen any evidence myself. *

That case didn't have anything to do w/ race, but that's how it was initially spun, and then continued to be spun , with the made up ' WHITE hispanic ' label they gave GZ.



The photos that where not Travon, the sites trying to say that Martin was a drug dealer and a gang banger.

Drudge and Michele Malkin's site posted those photos. I know Malkin's site correctly took them down an apologized after, but even a mistake such as this can do harm.



Never heard that he dealt drugs or was a 'gang banger', but isn't it a fact he was kicked out of school for a bag containing weed residue ? Or a very small amount ? You can see how folks could easily jump to the 'dealer' conclusion, even w/ out it being stated. True or not.



Really? So an empty beer bottle in your truck makes you a bootlegger, then? I mean, you can see how folks could easily jump to that conclusion, right?

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If Malkin's site did post some pics claiming to be Trayvon, but then took them down, acknowledging the error, how is that 'fanning the flames ' of hate ?

How many folks actually saw those pics ( I'm pretty sure I never did ) vs how many heard the 'falsely edited' 9-1-1 call from NBC ?



Well, according to you, it's exactly the same thing. NBC took down the edited 911 call and said it was an error in editing. Same thing Malkin claims.

So was NBC "fanning the flames" or not?



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:15 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki -


And this...
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If one death results in any city street in America as a result of this case, it will not be because of George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, it will be because of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, CBS, ABC and the blood thirsty news media that thrives on burning cities and innocent dead people. Don’t tell me I am on a rant, I have seen this happen in the bowels of Miami with a similar scenario, building up exactly like this is being built up.



How is that, in any way, 'fanning hate' ? It's being honest, direct, and to the point.




So you'd agree that

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If one death results in any street in Tucson as a result of this , it will not be because of Democratic policies, it will be because of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Fox, and the blood thirsty right-wing media that thrives on killing innocent liberal people. Don’t tell me I am on a rant, I have seen this happen with a similar scenario, building up exactly like this is being built up.


is an accurate summation of events, too? Honest, direct, and to the point, as you put it, right?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:15 AM

OONJERAH


It's Personal! And I don't like this headline, either.

Arrest made in ''Justice for Trayvon'' beating of Matthew Owens
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/252930/250/Arrest-made-in-Justice-for
-Trayvon-beating


MOBILE, Alabama (WKRG) -- Mobile Police made their first arrest in the mob
beating of Matthew Owens. 44-year-old Terry Rawls surrendered Wednesday
on assault charges.

"This here is an ongoing dispute with neighbors, that's what this is,"
explained Corporal Chris Levy with the Mobile Police Department.

Previous Story: Man beaten by angry mob

Police say the tension between Owens and Rawls had been escalating for three
years. In fact, that wasn't the first time police were called to Delmar Drive.
Police say Rawls has attacked Owens before, but charges were never filed
because they say Owens instigated it.

"Unfortunately that's what this is, and these things can lead to violence and
that's what happened," said Levy.

Matthew Owens suffered severe head injuries and was taken to USA Medical
Center after witnesses say a mob of 20 or so people attacked him with paint
cans, pipes, and chairs across the street from his sister's house. But police only
expect to arrest three more people. They claim most of the mob were just
bystanders.

On Monday in the WKRG.com News in Alabama,
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/79/man-beaten-mob-critical-condi
tion-ar-3659891
/

I read this: Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, saw the attack. "It was the scariest thing
I have ever witnessed." Parker says 20 people, all African American, attacked her
brother on the front porch of his home, using "brass buckles, paint cans and anything
they could get their hands on."

Reading quick, I got using "brassknuckles" into my head. Really. So I believed
that this must be a really tough 'hood.

My other impression of the matter is: "Owens instigated it." -and-
(I imagine) the Four Neighbors who beat him probably take full responsibility
for a beating that was, to them, overdue.

It was Personal.


. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Really? So an empty beer bottle in your truck makes you a bootlegger, then? I mean, you can see how folks could easily jump to that conclusion, right?



Beer bottle ? What, is this the late 70's, and Coors beer isn't legally sold east of the Mississippi ?



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Coors beer shouldn't legally be sold anywhere.

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Friday, April 27, 2012 11:24 AM

OONJERAH



Matthew Owens is out of ICU.
Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, has changed her story about events preceding the assault.

I'm following the story on WKRG.com =>
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/83/man-beaten-mob-critical-condi
tion-ar-3659891
/

It's not sensational enough to get much coverage. It's not a hate crime. Has nothing
to do with Trayvon Martin. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not stirring it.
Terry Rawls was arrested and is out on bail; he has a substantial police record.
Matthew Owens' police record is rather scary too.

So far, no sympathetic characters. Nothing to bicker about?

Quote Kwicko: "Coors beer shouldn't legally be sold anywhere."

So! Do you mean that Coors beer should be Given Away? *baiting*
Is it OK to use it as hair rinse after shampoo?


. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Friday, April 27, 2012 11:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Quote Kwicko: "Coors beer shouldn't legally be sold anywhere."

So! Do you mean that Coors beer should be Given Away? *baiting*
Is it OK to use it as hair rinse after shampoo?




No, I mean it's a weapon of mass destruction, responsible for thousands of deaths.

(And I'm kind of joking, too.)

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Friday, April 27, 2012 2:26 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
meh, I have some issues with this sort of stuff. It gets very murky regarding responsibility.
Should the bottom line be that we are all responsible for our own actions, unless we claim
severe impairment or mental illness? I can get angry about something, but its my choice what
i do with that anger. Beating someone up because of anger or frustration is a choice.


Magons, in your work, you must have met many people who have a very hard time 1) under-
standing their responsibilities as an adult, & 2) being/becoming able to make the right choices.

I am driving my car thru a rich neigborhood at night; I arrive at my destination and park. I
walk into a building there. Chances are, I can do that 1,000 times without getting mugged.
Because it's a protected, safe neighborhood.

I am sitting at a bus stop in a ghetto 1 block off of skid row at 2:00 a.m. The bus is late
again, & I have to wait 15 minutes, alone. Chances are, I can do that 20 times before I get
mugged.

Mugging is against the law, and I don't deserve to be mugged. Why does the mugger make
a bad choice and mug me? He's responsible and deserves jail.

But I am responsible too. If I am often in the wrong place at the wrong time, I will get
hurt from time to time. While I am lying on the sidewalk, bruised and bleeding, what satis-
faction do I get saying, "Well, this was the mugger's fault. He has to be responsible" ?
None at all. The satisfaction comes when I leave that place and never go back.

There are a lot of bad, crime-ridden neighborhoods in the world, in America. Many of the
tenants there are decent enough; but nearly all of them are poor and broken and make a lot
of bad choices. Only a few of them will move on to a better life. How come? Because what
should be and what is aren't always the same.

I feel Matthew Owens may be living in such a place. A murky place.



I guess I see everyone has a responsibility. You and I have a responsibility to act wisely and we have to accept that if we participate in risky behaviour, that have to bear to consequences if things go awry.

That being said, a person walking in a bad neighbourhood does not excuse the mugger/murderer/rapist. It is not a justification for them and cannot or should not be used as such in a court of law.

And yes I do meet a lot of people who fail to accept or understand their own responsibilities on a regular basis (cos we are all guilty of that from time to time). These people are a menace to themselves and those around them.

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Friday, April 27, 2012 3:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hmmmm...
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Owens and the suspect have had an ongoing feud since 2009, according to the DA's Office.
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Neighbors say Matthew Owens chased off a group of black kids with kitchen knives after the boys lost a basketball in his sister's yard. He was attacked by as many as 20 people with chairs, pipes and paint cans a short time later.

Based on the accusations forom angry neighbors, News 5 did some digging and learned Owens has a violent track record. The Mobile County Metro Jail log shows police have arrested Owens numerous times over the past 12 years for things like domestic violence, assault and sex abuse. His first arrest was November 4, 1990 for assault. The last time officers transported Owens to jail was last March on a domestic violence charge
.....
"Every single day it's a problem with Mr. Owens concerning our kids," Lemika Whisenhunt. "All these kids do is shoot basketball. We keep 'em in the yard. They don't bother anybody. We'd rather them play basketball than to be around here vandalizing, breaking into people's homes. We try to bring our kids up the right way and show people that all black kids are not bad."

Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...or what the author of this thread liked to think:
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This latest Mobile incident has an antecedent in the Martin shooting. Which was whipped into a media frenzy, and we have a few here who are just as culpable, by initially trying to paint the incident as a black/white race issue.
So, you see, we're all capable of jumping to conclusions when the first facts are known, only to revise our opinions (as we all did, I believe) when further facts come to light. Has the author of this thread revised his opinions at all, I'd be interesting in knowing? I see he's not been around for a while...

Thank you very much, Oonj, for giving us a fuller picture and some "further facts".




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Friday, April 27, 2012 3:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...


Seems there's a lot of that going around, about all sorts of stories.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Friday, April 27, 2012 7:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
No, I mean it's a weapon of mass destruction, responsible for thousands of deaths.

(And I'm kind of joking, too.)


The irony is that it damn near was.

The Flying Crowbar
aka Project Pluto
http://www.merkle.com/pluto/pluto.html
Quote:

Because the efficiency of a nuclear ramjet increases with temperature, "the hotter, the better" became Merkle's motto for the reactor, code-named "Tory." But at Tory's operating temperature of 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit, even high-temperature alloys would become white-hot and lose structural strength. So Merkle asked a Colorado-based porcelain company named Coors to manufacture ceramic fuel elements that could stand the heat and provide even temperature distribution in the reactor.

The centerpiece of the Pluto effort, the Tory reactor was designed to be durable but compact enough to fly.
The company is well known today for a much different product: while making ceramic-lined vats for breweries around the country, Adolph Coors realized that he might be in the wrong business. Although the Coors Porcelain Company continued to make porcelain -- including all of the nearly 500,000 pencil-shaped fuel elements used in the Tory reactor -- the brewery Adolph Coors opened near his ceramics factory soon became the tail that wagged the dog.


-Frem

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Monday, April 30, 2012 10:09 PM

OONJERAH



Mobile Beating Victim Released From, Then Returns To, Hospital =>
http://spectator.org/blog/2012/04/30/mobile-beating-victim-released

A decidely groggy, unwell-looking Matthew Owens, victim of a beating nine days
ago in Mobile, AL, had finally been released from the hospital -- but less than
90 minutes ago he was returned to the hospital while looking glassy-eyed, com-
plaining of headaches, dizziness, and a severe inability to "keep down" any food.

Meanwhile, it is still true that only one man has been arrested, and he is out
on bail. Police say they expect no more than three more arrests, if that. Owens
himself is not clear on how many people actually struck blows against him, re-
portedly, other than that at least three did so.

Further interviews today, with several black residents of the street, produced a
cloudy picture. First, some background as described by the interviewees: At one
and the same time, the block was described as usually friendly and as the site of
several other horrid events in recent years. ...



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:50 AM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Coors beer shouldn't legally be sold anywhere.


It's false advertisement. They use the word "beer", and it ain't.

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Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...or what the author of this thread liked to think




Imagine that - a rush to judgment by the right-whingers here.

Gosh, I'll try to hide my surprise...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, May 1, 2012 3:53 PM

OONJERAH


What's News?

MRC: Media 'manipulating' American public =>
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=1588368

... Matthew Owens, 40, remains hospitalized following an April 21 beating
in Mobile. One man has been arrested for the incident, and there has been
an ongoing feud between the two, according to police. A small group of black
people are said to have been involved in the beating, along with a number of
witnesses.

Dan Gainor, vice president of business and culture for the Media Research
Center (MRC), tells OneNewsNow this not the first time the media has virtually
ignored a black-on-white crime.

"They choose, as they choose when they cover business or ... social issues, they
pick the winners and losers," he offers. "And if the media don't think your story
fits their view of the world, you're not making the national news."

The MRC spokesman says a case-in-point example that the media like to hype
stories that fit their template is the George Zimmerman case. ...

Oonjerah:
Media slant has already been mentioned on this forum. When I was young, I believe
the slant was different.

I do not recall that the media blared on about black crimes, in particular. I don't
recall them ever telling us that blacks in prison outnumber whites. Perhaps they
did & I failed to notice.

They also rarely went on about white on black crimes ... unless they happened in
the South or were KKK. The murder of Emmett Till, 1955, was a scandal. Had he been
murdered in his home town of Chicago, I doubt we'd ever have known. The South was
generally portrayed as an inferior place in the media & movies. Still is?

I had a friend many years ago, a prof at Stanford. I'd known him for months before
he told me that I would never guess that he was from Dixie, because when he moved
to California, he made an effort to lose the accent. "Most people," he said, "if they
think you're a hillbilly, they subtract 10 points from your IQ. If they think you're
from the South, they subtract 20." He was wrong. The bigotry against hillbillies and
Southerners was greater than that.

Personally, I never cared much for the News. So if my perceptions of reality are
warped and clouded, I'll blame Hollywood in general, Walt Disney in particular.
Better than taking responsibility that.

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Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:46 PM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...or what the author of this thread liked to think




Imagine that - a rush to judgment by the right-whingers here.

Gosh, I'll try to hide my surprise...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions



Yeah, we're all still reeling over the "Racism is dead... bullshit" thread about Zimmerman and Martin. Back when it was presumed to be about white on black violence.

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Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Niki2:

Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...or what the author of this thread liked to think




Imagine that - a rush to judgment by the right-whingers here.

Gosh, I'll try to hide my surprise...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions



Yeah, we're all still reeling over the "Racism is dead... bullshit" thread about Zimmerman and Martin. Back when it was presumed to be about white on black violence.




If I recall correctly, Niki modified her position as further facts were revealed.

Are you saying you're doing the same, and admitting you were wrong?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:17 AM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


If I recall correctly, Niki modified her position as further facts were revealed.

Are you saying you're doing the same, and admitting you were wrong?



Absolutely not. I stand by the original purpose of this thread, to show that actions have consequences. Fanning the flames of hate means that someone, somewhere, will seize upon your spin to use it as justification for their actions against another.

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Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


If I recall correctly, Niki modified her position as further facts were revealed.

Are you saying you're doing the same, and admitting you were wrong?



Absolutely not. I stand by the original purpose of this thread, to show that actions have consequences. Fanning the flames of hate means that someone, somewhere, will seize upon your spin to use it as justification for their actions against another.




So if anything happens to ChrisIsAll, that's on you, right? After all, you did try to fan the flames of hate to engulf him. And of course, this whole story was intended to fan the flames of hate against black people who want justice for Trayvon Martin.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 4, 2012 3:44 PM

CAVETROLL


Kwicko, has anyone ever told you that you are irrational and paranoid? Did they throw you out of Democratic Underground or did you leave on your own?

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Friday, May 4, 2012 4:05 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Kwicko, has anyone ever told you that you are irrational and paranoid? Did they throw you out of Democratic Underground or did you leave on your own?




You find it irrational and paranoid that someone holds you to your own standard?


How very... irrational. One might almost think you're paranoid!

BTW, what's "Democratic Underground"? I think I've been pretty much an above-ground Democrat for as long as I can remember.



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Monday, May 21, 2012 5:31 PM

OONJERAH



Beating Victim: "I Am Not A Racist. I Got Slaughtered." [video] =>
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/may/18/6/beating-victim-i-am-not-racist
-ar-3817780
/

The man at the center of a beating case that made national headlines insists he is
not a racist.

Matthew Owens admits he is not an angel. He says, "I have been arrested 29 times for
fighting." However, he says, he didn't deserve what happened to him April 21st on
Delmar Drive . . .



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Monday, May 21, 2012 6:23 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


Once again Geezer shows he doesn't know how to read, or think. Nobody on this side made any racist comments. Nobody made it about race - just racism.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
I don't recall anyone here making it about race



Well, the first thread about the Trayvon Martin shooting was titled:

Quote:

"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit


http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=51371

and it ran to six pages.

Some quotes:

"Nobody's posted about this one, perhaps because it represents a common enough occurrence that we don't pay much attention. But I've been following it, and it's not only outrageous, it's another example of the fact that racisim isn't only alive and well in America, it's allowed."

"This is terrible.

Even if we imagine that the perpetrator is a hard-core racist, I find the story shocking."

"And, not to distract from the article, on the broader topic of this thread - if racism was really dead - this wouldn't be a hot selling bumper sticker:"





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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:38 AM

DREAMTROVE



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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 AM

DREAMTROVE


ETA: Okay, there's a page two. As soon as I saw the "29 arrests" I knew that this was not a chance encounter: They already knew him.

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