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Israeli law, police, courts require all women sit at back of bus (jews too)

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Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:07 PM

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Jew Tanya Rosenblit's journey turned into nightmare

Court authorized exclusion of women

In 2007, Orthodox novelist petitioned High Court after being forced to sit at back of bus, but judges approved continued segregation on 'kosher' lines. 'Years have passed, nothing has changed,' she tells Ynet

Aviel Magnezi Published: 12.19.11, 20:38 / Israel Jewish Scene

ISRAEL -- Four years have passed since ultra-Orthodox men forced novelist Naomi Ragen to move to the back seat of a bus. A High Court petition and a revolutionary ruling were apparently not enough to change the treatment of women.

Talking to Ynet on Sunday following Tanya Rosenblit's refusal to sit at the back of a bus, Ragen recounted her private incident, which led to the court petition, and shared her feelings in regards to the exclusion of women from the public sphere.

"Rosenblit's story takes me back to what I experienced four years ago," Ragen says of her trip on a "kosher" bus. "I was sitting on the bus on my own. I didn't even know there were such bus lines.

"Suddenly I was approached by a haredi man who told me to move to the back. I said to him, 'Listen, I'm not bothering anyone. This is a public bus and I'll sit wherever I want.' Another man arrived and began shouting and cursing me the whole way. It was just like a lynching attempt. I got off the bus in tears."

In January, following a petition against the exclusion of women on buses, the High Court adopted an arrangement initiated by the Transportation Ministry. The judges ruled that forced segregation between men and women on "kosher" lines was illegal, but allowed populations interested in this separation to continue doing so, as long as no violence was used.

The High Court permitted bus drivers to let women get on the bus from the back door in order to allow separation with consent, and ruled that the Transportation Ministry would enforce the arrangement through a supervision system.

The judges also ruled that the Egged company would place signs on its buses clarifying that every passenger may use any vacant sear, as long as it is not intended for disabled people. In order to ensure that the separation was being implemented according to the arrangement, the court allotted a trial period of one year (starting February 2011).

'Drivers support men'

Ragen believes that the High Court ruling helped authorize the exclusion of women. "The judges decided that a woman may sit anywhere on the bus, but decided not to stop the 'kosher' line issue and instead look into the feasibility of this situation out of consent and good will.

"They decided on a trial period of a year, to check whether this could be done with consent rather than completely ban the 'kosher' lines. In their decision, however, the judges basically authorized the exclusion of women by having them enter the bus from the back door. This small thing made them believe that everything is permitted.

"There was a very clear decision by the High Court, that a woman can sit wherever she wants, and there must be signs about it on all buses. There are no such signs; they have all been removed.

"The court asked the drivers to get involved and defend the women. Drivers don't do so, and when they are asked to intervene – they support the men. The police must also defend the women and enforce the law. We see that the police are failing to enforce the State's laws, but are asking women to move to the back and avoid causing trouble."

Ragen is calling on the High Court to reexamine the issue. "The court's ruling isn't being honored, and therefore the judges must reconvene, say that the trial has failed, and put an end to it.

They must simply ban these buses, stop this segregation. It can't be done any other way, it's a complete failure. Years have passed and it's like nothing has changed."

She views this exclusion of women as part of a general social trend in Israel. "It's a shame that we are giving in to violence on every level in our country. Everywhere – in court, on buses. Everywhere haredim have the upper hand, and it's extremely scary."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-4163766%2C00.html

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Friday, December 23, 2011 3:32 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Fundies who want to legislate their personal morality are everywhere.

Christians do it too, with banning gay marriage and abortion.

I really don't get where Islam has to be singled out by these other fundie groups for being the most oppressive religion.

If govt has a role at all, I believe it is to prevent fundies from imposing their will over us, be it Muslim, Jewish, or Christian fundies.

The public legal sphere must be religion and morality free.

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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Friday, December 23, 2011 12:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA

I concur, and not being any of those beliefs I care not whether the perpetrator of these ills is jewish, muslim or christian, they are ills all the same.

I do find it ironic that even as they flame other middle eastern nations for their treatment of women, the state dept kisses up to the freakin saudis, who are every bit as bad, AND they're currently supporting fundamentalist sunni bastards all across the board against secular shiites - which tells me right there religion is playing a factor in state level decisions, cause for a fact I don't see a dimes worth of difference between the taliban, the likud, and the fundies here.

I am not unsympathetic to the plight of women in israel, but I don't live there, I live HERE, and the christian fundies are a greater threat - although I would prefer to sever foreign aid to nations so oppressive, and of course there's other allies I do support (RAWA) who the very women who complain of this treatment, most of them, spit at and curse out of a form of intolerence that makes me even LESS sympathetic of their plight, yanno ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, December 26, 2011 3:41 PM

CANTTAKESKY

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/26/jewish-gender-segregation-campai
gn-turns-violent/

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Extra Israeli police patrolled the streets of a small town nearJerusalem on Monday after a campaign by ultra-Orthodox Jews to segregate men and women erupted into violence.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said that a man from the town ofBeit Shemesh was arrested on Monday over an assault on Sunday on a TV crew filming a sign instructing women to cross the street to avoid walking past a synagogue.

Other signs were posted in an ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood telling women to dress “modestly”, meaning long sleeves and calf-length skirts.

The Haaretz newspaper said that the cameraman from commercial station Channel Two was thrown to the ground and his sound recordist grabbed by the throat in the attack by ultra-Orthodox men.

Media said that other journalists were also attacked and a police car stoned.

“A male was arrested and is being questioned in connection with the incident which took place on the Channel Two team,” Rosenfeld told AFP.

“Municipal inspectors have been working in the street taking down posters… Police have stepped up patrols in Beit Shemesh,” he said.

Israeli media said that images shown on Channel Two last week of an ultra-Orthodox man in Beit Shemesh spitting at a woman led to his arrest on Saturday night.

The Jerusalem Post said that he was freed by magistrates on Sunday after being fined and ordered to stay out of Beit Shemesh for a week.

The violence in the town west of Jerusalem came after a wave of incidents elsewhere in Israel in which women have been compelled to sit at the back of segregated buses serving ultra-Orthodox areas or get off, despite court rulings that women may sit where they please.

Women’s rights activists say that the ultra-Orthodox, who constitute around 10 percent of Israel’s population, have become increasingly “radical” on the issue of gender segregation and are winning concessions that harm women.....

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:24 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Some nerve they got bitchin about the Taliban...

Quote:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

And yeah, I know that's NT and they're Jewish, but to me that just makes it funnier.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:39 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

I posted this because I support women in the back of the bus.

Why yall hate on da juice?

[ducks head as man-hating shemales attack]

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Thursday, December 29, 2011 5:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Looks like we're gonna need a bigger bus!

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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