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800 dogs rescued from meat trade in China

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Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Nearly 800 dogs were rescued by a Chinese animal protection group last Saturday night in the city of Zigong, in southwest Sichuan province.

The Qiming Center, an animal-rights protection group in Sichuan, pulled off the rescue. Last Friday night, a volunteer tipped off the group that hundreds of caged dogs were being loaded onto trucks in Zigong and headed to various restaurants in Southern Guangxi province. The group dispatched a team of five to block the dog-trader while they posted microblogs online calling for help from animal-loving citizens.

After a standoff and negotiation, the group agreed to pay the dog trader 83,000 yuan ($13,000) to secure the caged dog's freedom, said Qiming president Qiao Wei.



"It's a compromise we took in an effort to let the dogs free—they are visibly suffering for being packed in small cages with very limited space. We spent hours negotiating with the trader," Qiao told CNN in a phone interview. "Finally with the help of local government he was willing to hand over the dogs in exchange for 83,000 yuan—60,000 for personal compensation, another 20,000 for cages that we lack."

Qiming volunteers are now helping settle down the dogs, according to state-run media.

Dog meat has long been a popular dish in certain regions of China. But over time this cultural and culinary tradition is getting more and more unpopular, as international and Chinese animal protection organizations increase pressure against the dog meat trade.

Most dogs rescued Saturday were severely dehydrated. Rescuers photographed and registered the dogs before tending to their health. "It's a costly work but workers at the center are trying their best to take care of the dogs. Since their arrival, only one dog has died due to respiration system failure," Qiao told CNN

Ms Teng, a Qiming Center employee, said four full-time staff have been working round the clock. On the center's official blog, the group frequently updates the dogs' latest conditions and solicits donations or voluntary assistance from animal lovers.

"Some dogs were stolen, and now their owners come to us to take back their pets. Many would leave with a certain amount of money as appreciation for our work," Teng told CNN. "Once we've finished the health check up procedures, we'll start helping the dogs find new homes."

Teng says through the rescue she and her fellow volunteers hope to send the general public one message: "No trading, no killing." Meanwhile, dog trading remains rife in certain regions in China due to lack of a national law on animal welfare and protection.

"A major part of our work is proposing drafts of laws and regulations under which the government can effectively punish this kind of behavior," Qiao added. "Now we can only tackle the traders one at a time, and can hardly tell whether they'll go back to the business again."

In April 520 dogs were saved from dinner table by Chinese animal-rights activists who stopped a truck carrying them in cages on a highway near Beijing. A 15-hour standoff between volunteers and the trader caused a temporary shut-down of nearby exits, until an agreement was reached. The truck driver let the dogs free for 115,000 yuan. The incident stirred online discussions about how far activists should go in protecting animal rights—a concept still under debate in China. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/20/world/asia/china-dog-meat-rescue/index.h
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Never knew there were animal-rights groups in China. I take that as a good sign!

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Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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How dogs are viewed is undergoing a major shift in China, and nowhere are the conflicting attitudes more evident than in Shenzhen, a city in a part of the country where dog meat is commonly eaten. Except for the occasional mutt, King Glory Plaza is a purebred showcase, as dogs have become a status symbol for many residents with newfound disposable income.

Pang Yan said that all dogs in her hometown in rural Sichuan province were working farm dogs. After coming to Shenzhen to find work, she purchased Shunliu, a wide-eyed, obedient golden retriever who sleeps in her bed with her.

"I understand dogs better than I used to," she says. "I understand that dogs need company from friends and their owners. They also need their owner's love, care and respect."



When Shenzhen housewife Zhang Lin was growing up in rural Guangdong province, her family kept guard dogs, some of which were slaughtered for meat during the Lunar New Year.

Now she is the owner of Dou-dou, a high-energy miniature poodle she bought for 4,000 yuan ($626), more than triple this southern Chinese city's monthly minimum wage. She never eats dog meat and treats Dou-dou like her child.

"Growing up, we always had dogs around, but their purpose was [for] meat and guarding the house," Zhang said. "Dou-dou is my companion."

This new coddling of dogs as pets does not mean the old custom of eating dog meat has disappeared. Type the Chinese character for dog, gou, into an iPhone, and predictive text will offer you meat, rou, as a logical follow-up character.

Restaurants specializing in dog cuisine -- which advertise the health and tradition of the canine meat -- line bustling Shenzhen night markets.

One man who sells in-demand breeds at a pet store in Dongmen says his career of selling dogs hasn't changed his outlook on eating dog meat.

"How is it any different from eating any other animal?" he says. "It's just the same as beef."

But some dog owners recoil at the thought.

"I have eaten dog meat, once when I was young," says Pang, the owner of golden retriever Shunliu. "But now I could never eat dog meat. When others eat dog meat I also tell them they shouldn't. When you really understand dogs you could never eat their meat. You could never be so cruel to your most loyal friend."

There are more than 120,000 dogs kept as pets in Shenzhen -- where about 75% of its 9 million residents are migrant workers from other parts of China -- and the number is growing dramatically, according to Chen.

"There are so many migrants in Shenzhen and they keep dogs to avoid feeling lonely," Chen said. "More people love dogs now and more people have the economic ability to take care of dogs."

As more Chinese embrace dog ownership, some cities are trying to curb the trend. China Daily, a state-owned English-language newspaper, reported earlier this year that Jinan, the capital of Shandong province, passed a law requiring residents to obtain permission from their neighbors before their dog can be licensed. Shanghai enacted a one-dog policy starting in May, mimicking similar laws in Chengdu, Guangzhou and Beijing.

In Jiangmen, a city near Shenzhen in Guangdong province, the city banned dog ownership outright in late July but retracted the law by early August after a howl of protest from local pet owners, state media reported.

"There are many laws, but putting them into action is a different story," said Chen when asked about regulating dog ownership in Shenzhen. The only restriction currently in place in Shenzhen, he said, is a ban on "vicious dogs."

For now, the dogs in King Glory Plaza are tolerated by the general public. But one exasperated security guard at the square mutters after a failed attempt at keeping unleashed dogs off a plaza display: "Are the dogs the pets, or are the humans the pets?"

In America, for the most part the humans are the pets, but it's good to see things changing in China. I think dog ownership has a positive effect on most people; maybe over time it will soften some of Chinese thinking, who knows?


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Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:38 AM

AURAPTOR

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Probably not the best time to post...




j/k


Seriously, that's a good start.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I remember that shot. Saw it just last night, too, as Science Channel has been playing Firefly/Serenity several times over the past few months--sometimes as a marathon, sometimes individual epis. Last night was the "pilot" (may Fox rot forever) which Fox originally played out of sequence, which is where that shot came from. It stucke me at the time.

Mostly I'm just glad some 1,300 dogs have been rescued (from those two accounts) and hope the trend continues. I think once people have a dog for a pet, their attitudes are bound to change.


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Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:39 AM

RIONAEIRE

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I guess I never thought that China was moving away from eating dog, I just assumed that it was commonplace. I personally wouldn't want to eat dog because I'm familiar with dogs being pets and helping people etc., since they're so smart. But if I'd grown up in a culture where dogs were eaten I might not mind the idea so much, being used to it. So even though I think eating dogs isn't right I wouldn't tell people in China that they can't. Its up to them to decide what they want to do and it looks like they're heading in the direction of cutting down on the dog eating. It needs to be up to them.

What I can't stand is when people totally spoil their dogs, there's a point at which that gets rediculous and (in my opinion) stupid. Dogs don't need to be taken everywhere their owners go, they don't need to sleep on the bed and they don't need to be given only people food. My stepdad's son and his girlfriend have this dinky dog that they treat like their baby. I feel sorry for any kids they may have because they won't get treated as well as the dog I'm sure. So I'm hoping they don't reproduce.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:02 PM

BYTEMITE


My brother's got a Schnauzer with some unindentifiable digestion problem, but they let him sleep on the bed.

Cute dog, and the accidents really aren't his fault, but yeah.

Though back when the dog was living at our house with the cats, the cats apparently took to trying to mark territory, and apparently I slept for weeks under a quilt covered in cat pee. Sometimes, not having a sense of smell isn't what it's cracked up to be.

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Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:29 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Byte, that's kind of funny, even though its kind of grotty too. At least you didn't know, sometimes what you don't know doesn't hurt you. :)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Friday, October 21, 2011 6:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Riona, nobody's "telling China that they can't". CHINESE animal-rights activists are PAYING to buy dogs in order to keep them from being eaten. Bit of a difference there.

And as that one woman said, tho' she grew up eating dogs, once she had one, she wouldn't do it anymore. Hopefully that will be the case for many, many more, but nobody's forcing them.

As far as pets, the Brits are FAR worse than us, if anyone's ever seen "It's Me or the Dog". However, we're almost as bad, and sometimes I just sit there laughing in disgust when I watch "Dog Whisperer", at the diplomach Cesar has to employ to make people understand that their pet making life untenable for them is because they treated it like their CHILD, not a dog.

We never had cats, then we got one, and ended up rescuing more--at one point we had eight. Despite all being fixed, the males marked everywhere. Since we consider it our responsibility to care for an animal once we take it in, we ended up living for several years in a house with plastic sheeting everywhere from "tail height" down and pulling up the carpets. The last of them died a year or two ago, and we've vowed NO MORE CATS!

I consider a cat a luxury, anyway, but a dog a NECESSITY. I don't think I could live without one; yes, they're my substitute for the children I never had, but I sure as hell wouldn't put up with HALF the stuff I see on both shows! Some people are truly weird.


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Friday, October 21, 2011 8:32 AM

FREMDFIRMA



I miss Kallista...

She was, more or less, my daughter - my furry, spoiled-rotten, BAD daughter, but I loved her all the same - mind you I don't have the kinda problems you're talkin about cause I do understand feline behavior in ways most humans really couldn't comprehend so I wouldn't treat my kitties like human children - but there is a parental sorta thing there although it's hard to explain.

Even so with some of the bunnies, one of which came to me for shelter after being caught in the rain unprepared, and so I grabbed a fallen branch with some leaves on it and angled it against the building and then kicked a bunch of pine needles over it to make an ad-hoc burrow, which it then bolted into, and went on my merry.

What wigs me is when the local wildlife starts going outside the bounds of "normal" species behavior in their relationship to me, but I guess to THEM, well *I* am wildlife in THEIR territory, and they're just trying to integrate me - mighty nice of em, you think about it.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, October 21, 2011 4:22 PM

BYTEMITE


Poor kitty. I wish I'd been here when it happened. I felt like I knew her from you.

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:51 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I'm sorry about Calista Frem, I know she was your very favorite kitty.

Niki, I'm glad you and Jim enjoy your dogs, it sounds like they are lucky to have owners who care about them and take them sulkying.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:57 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Sorry to say this, but I don't see eating dog any different to eating any other animal. If you eat meat, you need to be aware that animals are raised to be slaughtered or hunted for your table. Something that was alive has been killed. Kind of long and short of it for me. I don't wish to eat themselves, but if another culture chooses to eat dog rather than cow or sheep or duck (or in the chinese case along side of) then that is their choice.

Now if you want to talk about the humane treatment of animals that are raised for meat, that is another matter. Probably the majority of animals bred for slaughter in the world are treated inhumanely and killed barbarically. To me it doesn't matter whether it is a dog or a cow, none of them should be forced to suffer.

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Monday, October 24, 2011 4:35 AM

BYTEMITE


I actually agree, Magons. Most of the taboo against dog meat is a hold over from Judeo-Christian-Islam religion - there's passages about not eating the meat from a scavenger animal (as well as shellfish and pork and ungulates versus number of toes), and since most carnivores are sometimes scavengers, they get included.

People might like to think that it's love for the pet or animal that's driving things in western culture, but it's probably more a matter of unspoken culture norms influencing behaviour and belief.

However, I like animals in general and so I personally refuse to eat meat from them.

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Monday, October 24, 2011 2:20 PM

RIONAEIRE

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As I said I personally wouldn't feel right eating dog meat since I see them as pets. But if someone else wants to that is their choice and not my affair. It sounds like people in China are vering away from it though. It is up to them.

I couldn't eat dog or horse, they are too closely allined with people for me to feel comfortable eating them on purpose. But if someone gave me dinner and told me afterwords that it was dog or horse then oh well, wasn't my fault and I wouldn't want to be rude or snobbish. My uncle tried dog in Vietnam and said it was allright.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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