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Drought cripples the South: Why the "Creeping Disaster" could get a whole lot worse

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Tuesday, August 9, 2011 12:41 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ouch. And so it continues...
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Hurricanes announce themselves on forecasters' radar screens before slamming into an unlucky coast — all on live television. Tornadoes strike with little warning, but no one can doubt what's going on the moment a black funnel cloud touches down. If we're lucky, a tsunami offers a brief tip-off — the unnatural sight of the ocean retreating from the beach — before it cuts a swath of destruction and death.

But a drought is different. It begins with a few dry weeks strung end to end, cloudless skies and hot weather. Lawns brown as if toasted, and river and lake levels drop like puddles evaporating after the rain. Farmers worry over wilting crops as soil turns to useless dust. But for most of us, life goes on normally, the dry days in the background — until the moment we wake up and realize we're living through a natural catastrophe. Weather experts like to call drought the "creeping disaster." Though it destroys no property and yields no direct death toll, drought can cost billions of dollars, its effects lasting for months and even years. The writer Alex Prud'homme — author of a great new book on water called The Ripple Effect — compares drought to a "python, which slowly and inexorably squeezes its prey to death."

This summer, the python has gripped much of the South, from the burned fringes of Arizona — singed by record-breaking wildfires — to usually swampy Georgia. Ground zero is Texas, which is suffering through the worst one-year drought on record, with the state receiving just 6 in. (15 cm) of rain since January. At the end of July, a record 12% of the continental U.S. was in a state of "exceptional drought" — the most severe ranking given by the National Drought Mitigation Center. More than 2 million acres (800,000 hectares) of farmland in Texas have been abandoned, streets are cracking as trees desperately draw the remaining moisture from the ground, and ranchers whose pasturelands have gone dry are selling off cattle by the thousands. "This historic drought has depleted water resources, leaving our state's farmers and ranches in a state of dire need," said Texas Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples last week. "The damage to our economy is already measured in billions of dollars and continues to mount."

The South has suffered crippling droughts in the past, from the long dry stretch in 2007 that almost led to water wars among Georgia, Florida and Alabama to the multiyear Texas drought of the 1950s, which helped reshape the state's mostly agricultural economy. But this time could be different — and worse. The driest regions are also the ones that have grown fastest in recent years — Texas added more than 4.2 million residents from 2000 to 2010, expanding more quickly than any other state in the U.S., with Arizona and Georgia close behind. That means millions more Americans are living in rapidly growing cities like San Antonio, Austin and Phoenix that can be dry even in the wettest years. More at http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2087504,00.html


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Tuesday, August 9, 2011 5:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


We're at the point in Texas of HOPING for a hurricane, because that's apparently what it will take to blast this freaking high-pressure dome apart. I'm not kidding you when I say that it is acting as a "rain shield" - we've had clouds, and you could SEE the rain falling - you could SMELL the rain - but it never hit the ground. It's so hot and dry that it evaporated before it could reach the ground.

We've now set a record for consecutive days over 100º (we're at day 24 now, with highs in the 106-108º range forecast for at least the next 7-10 days), and we're well on our way to breaking the record for most days in a year over 100º.

And the thing that nobody's saying is this: We haven't hit the really hot part of the year yet. Our real heat comes around mid-August (next week) to end of September.

This should be fun. :(

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, August 9, 2011 5:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



It's summer. It's hot. It happens.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:43 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Raptor, yeah, it does happen, but you feel much differently about it when your livelihood is dwindling away before your eyes and you can't stop it. And when old people are dying in the next town over because they don't have air conditioning, but you didn't know them so you couldn't invite them over to visit your house.
Its easy to not really think about stuff when it isn't happening to you.

Anyone who thinks weather isn't a real world event isn't living in the real world.

I hope you get that hurricane Quicko, I hope its just the right size to break the dry spell but not bad enough to kill anyone.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Jezus, 106-108º == I can't even conceive. Yes, in Afghanistan we got Summer temps up to 125º, and we weren't acclimated to it like the Afghans, but our houses had all marble floors and other methods of keeping the heat out, and we just stayed indoors! Plus it was desert heat, no humidity at all.

Mike, I watched that one weather system they thought might break your high pressure at least a little, and saw how it ended up moving away and given you no relief at all. Made me sad.

I also heard about this one, which pissed me off mightily:
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Water conservation has been turned up a notch in one North Texas community: The water has been cut off.

Kemp Mayor Donald Kile says water was turned off to residents Sunday for 48 hours.

KDFW-TV in Dallas-Fort Worth reports that two weeks ago, excessive heat caused the soil to shift, and the aging underground water pipes burst. About 2 million gallons of water leaked out. The city never caught up with the demand during the oppressive Texas heat wave and shut off the water to residents for two days to replenish its two water towers ( http://bit.ly/pWJQpY).

Meanwhile, the city is handing out bottled water, providing non-potable water to residents to flush toilets and conduct other chores.

Kemp, a town of about 1,150 people, is about 50 miles southeast of Dallas

I know they have to do SOMETHING, but THAT something just seemed wrong!

And now I hear:
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NASA has used a system on the ISS for years that captures all the wastewater from the toilet and filters it to make water for drinking and cleaning. This would be the worst part of being an astronaut. No matter how clean the water is I would think constantly that I might be drinking the urine of another astronaut. Space isn’t the only place where people are forced to get every bit of water out of what they have to live.

mentioned a while back that Texas is having a very severe drought all around the state. In fact, the drought and the shrinking lakes is what led to the discovery of the tank from the ill-fated space shuttle Columbia tragedy. One Texas town has been so hard hit by the drought that it is having to install a high-tech filtration system similar to the NASA tech on the ISS to filter urine and wastewater for drinking.

The town is Big Spring, Texas, which is rather ironic for the name of a city facing a water shortage. There are 27,000 residents in the area and they get their water from the Colorado River Municipal Water District. Obviously, the filtration plant will use all manner of methods to purify the water before sending it to the homes of residents. The thought of drinking any water that is derived from urine is not appealing at all, but any water would be better than no water. http://www.slashgear.com/texas-town-recycling-urine-into-drinking-wate
r-08170204/
know I should think "horray for technology!", but I can't quite get past the "ewww" factor...

Okay, so I can't resist: I'm pretty bummed out today 'cuz we're gonna hit 80, which we haven't in a week or so. At least it goes back down to the seventies for the rest of the week (whew!). Sorry, the devil made me do it. My prayers for you guys to get a break, gawd knows you deserve it!

I also think someone ought to dump Raptor right in the middle of the desert in the hottest part of Texas, then we can see how well he takes his own advice! (Couldn't resist THAT one either, but I feel far less guilty about it.)


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA



*blink*

Umm, you do know MOST fresh water has at one point gone through the body of something else anyway, right ?

I mean, somewhere back down the line, cause this is a full environment and the circle prettymuch assures this - so the comment "pissing down rain" is maybe more literal than formerly realized.

I gotta say, the situation as it stands, was I the Texas Air National Guard I'd be thinkin about hauling out some aircraft and seeding the clouds or something - that it'd give PN the wiggies and start him howling about chemtrails would just make it all the better.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:53 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Niki, I know that shutting off the water sounds drastic, but with a sudden loss like that I can't think of anything else they could have done, and they were giving people water for drinking etc. My only concern there would be the old people or people who couldn't get to where they were giving water. Hopefully they went door to door or something to share water bottles with everyone.

Cloudseeding: How well does taht work? Because if it does it might be an idea, for temporary relief at least in the most dyerly hit places.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Niki2:


Jezus, 106-108º == I can't even conceive. Yes, in Afghanistan we got Summer temps up to 125º, and we weren't acclimated to it like the Afghans, but our houses had all marble floors and other methods of keeping the heat out, and we just stayed indoors! Plus it was desert heat, no humidity at all.



Well, up to a point, Rappy's actually got a point. It's summer; this isn't unexpected. But THIS - this is worse than usual. In fact, it's worse than ever recorded. We are in the midst of the HOTTEST summer ever recorded in Texas, while at the same time being in the midst of the DRYEST summer ever recorded here. In fact, it's the dryest YEAR we've ever seen. The two coupled together make it difficult to escape from the heat. This time of year, you normally get some relief by going and jumping in a river or pool, but most of those are either dried up or closed.

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Mike, I watched that one weather system they thought might break your high pressure at least a little, and saw how it ended up moving away and given you no relief at all. Made me sad.



Broke our hearts is what it did. You're talking about the tropical storm from a couple weekends ago, right? We were sure it would break the stranglehold of the high pressure and heat, but it hit that wall and just VANISHED - POOF! - no rain, no cooldown, nothing.

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I also heard about this one, which pissed me off mightily:
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Water conservation has been turned up a notch in one North Texas community: The water has been cut off.

Kemp Mayor Donald Kile says water was turned off to residents Sunday for 48 hours.

KDFW-TV in Dallas-Fort Worth reports that two weeks ago, excessive heat caused the soil to shift, and the aging underground water pipes burst. About 2 million gallons of water leaked out. The city never caught up with the demand during the oppressive Texas heat wave and shut off the water to residents for two days to replenish its two water towers ( http://bit.ly/pWJQpY).

Meanwhile, the city is handing out bottled water, providing non-potable water to residents to flush toilets and conduct other chores.

Kemp, a town of about 1,150 people, is about 50 miles southeast of Dallas

I know they have to do SOMETHING, but THAT something just seemed wrong!




If they announced it in plenty of time before actually doing it, I can understand it. It's not right or fair... it just IS.

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And now I hear:
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NASA has used a system on the ISS for years that captures all the wastewater from the toilet and filters it to make water for drinking and cleaning. This would be the worst part of being an astronaut. No matter how clean the water is I would think constantly that I might be drinking the urine of another astronaut. Space isn’t the only place where people are forced to get every bit of water out of what they have to live.

mentioned a while back that Texas is having a very severe drought all around the state. In fact, the drought and the shrinking lakes is what led to the discovery of the tank from the ill-fated space shuttle Columbia tragedy. One Texas town has been so hard hit by the drought that it is having to install a high-tech filtration system similar to the NASA tech on the ISS to filter urine and wastewater for drinking.

The town is Big Spring, Texas, which is rather ironic for the name of a city facing a water shortage. There are 27,000 residents in the area and they get their water from the Colorado River Municipal Water District. Obviously, the filtration plant will use all manner of methods to purify the water before sending it to the homes of residents. The thought of drinking any water that is derived from urine is not appealing at all, but any water would be better than no water. http://www.slashgear.com/texas-town-recycling-urine-into-drinking-wate
r-08170204/

I know I should think "horray for technology!", but I can't quite get past the "ewww" factor...




I don't have a big issue with this. I got angry when I heard about a town in Oregon that drained its entire reservoir because security cameras caught someone peeing into it. Meanwhile, birds are crapping in it, fish are dying in it, and nobody worries about that. It's water. It's FILTERED about a jillion times before it ever touches your lips.

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Okay, so I can't resist: I'm pretty bummed out today 'cuz we're gonna hit 80, which we haven't in a week or so. At least it goes back down to the seventies for the rest of the week (whew!). Sorry, the devil made me do it. My prayers for you guys to get a break, gawd knows you deserve it!



Hey, it helps. I'm listening to Christmas music at work, because that also helps. You tune it out, and it's still there, in the back of your mind, and your head tricks your body into thinking it's colder than it really is, and damned if you don't actually FEEL cooler as a result!

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I also think someone ought to dump Raptor right in the middle of the desert in the hottest part of Texas, then we can see how well he takes his own advice! (Couldn't resist THAT one either, but I feel far less guilty about it.)




Remember what Signy says about Rappy being an unfeeling prick? His comments here are prime evidence of it. I wager he'd have a much different reaction if I were to post similar comments in his thread about the Navy SEALs killed in Afghanistan. "Hey, it's war. It happens. No big deal."

Of course, if I were to point out that those soldiers were a legitimate target, Geezer would call me a "sick fuck" for doing so...


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:08 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I remember that reservoir incident, I know what you mean about that being a lil' excessive. I'm sure the public health people evaluated it though and figured it was the right thing to do. Fortunately we have lots of water here. We are very particular about our water too, its fenced off etc. I love our water, it is the best tasting water I've ever had anywhere. We only get it from a specific watershed, all our other rivers and streams and lakes are free to play in, though the Willamette is too dirty to swim in, but its good for boating.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Raptor, yeah, it does happen, but you feel much differently about it when your livelihood is dwindling away before your eyes and you can't stop it. And when old people are dying in the next town over because they don't have air conditioning, but you didn't know them so you couldn't invite them over to visit your house.
Its easy to not really think about stuff when it isn't happening to you.

Anyone who thinks weather isn't a real world event isn't living in the real world.

I hope you get that hurricane Quicko, I hope its just the right size to break the dry spell but not bad enough to kill anyone.




No, I'd not feel any differently. Stating a simple fact has nothing to do w/ what empathy one can show for others. But whether it's floods or droughts, the weather is what it is. Talking about it has never changed it.


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Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Frem, of course I know that. I said I just couldn't get past the "ewww" factor; and you ARE talking about straight urine, not a bit of urine in a big lake or something. It has an "eww" factor, that's all.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Mike, it was that tropical storm. You guys are making news (along with the rest of the suffering US), and I kind of keep you in mind when I'm watching. That one hurt!

My gawd, that Oregon thing is INSANE! Of course, THEY (like Washington) have water to play with, but really!! Our five lakes don't allow swimming (or dogs in the water, for heaven's sake!) because of that, but there's no WAY they'd do anything ridiculous like that. Incredible! We gripe, too, that all the beasties use the lakes, piss in them, swim in them, so it's silly not to let dogs get in to drink from them, or humans swim in it. I DO realize that if they opened them to swimming, it WOULD pollute because there would be so many people; doesn't make me resent it any less tho'!

I had to giggle at the final post in this thread. As if anything we every "talked about" here ever changed anything: Engage brain before typing.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Riona, us too. We don't have tons like you guys and Washington, but because of our lakes we're the only county in the Bay Area that is self-sufficient, water wise (unless there are several years of drought). And, as I told Mike, we're not allowed to swim in them either--tho' they're not FENCED (ewwww!). We have trails all around them and everything up there is on water district land, it's gorgeous.

And our water, like yours, is pretty special. People coming out here from the rest of the Bay Area always comment on it and how wonderful it tastes. We used to buy bottled water decades ago; after the third or fourth comment like that, we stopped and now just put a big container of tap water in the fridge. We're lucky, and don't I know it!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:21 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Niki, I couldn't handle a place where all the lakes are off limits for swimming, especially if I were hiking there and saw how pretty they were and couldn't get in.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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