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God Hates us all

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:12 AM

SKYDIVELIFE


Kwicko wrote:


"Will you agree to never try to force your beliefs on me through force (of law or other)?

Will you support a woman's right to choose when or whether to have children?

Will you support the banning of Judeo-Christian law in this country, just as so many insist that we must unite to ban Sharia law in this country?

Will you support the doing away with such religion-based pablum as posting the Ten Commandments in some courthouses, printing "In God We Trust" on our currency, and adding unnecessary clause like "under God" to our Pledge of Allegiance?"

1. Yes.

2. Yes

3. No. Only because I don't see where Judeo-Christian law has been applied. When was the last time you had to sacrifice a goat?

4. No. If for nothing else, its important for government to remember that they are not the highest power. Also, the term "God" can be applied to many religions and beliefs.

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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He really isn't.
Yeah, Mike, I've had my doubts, but I'm not going to get into that, I'll go on TRYING to take each person at their word.


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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Yep i'll agree to all of em...just so long as you agree that when a women gets prego...and the guy doesnt want it and she keeps it anyway..the dude is off the hook financially..
Here's your shock for the day: I agree with Kane! It's obviously a much more complex issue than that and differs in individual cases, but on principle, I agree.


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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Only because I don't see where Judeo-Christian law has been applied. When was the last time you had to sacrifice a goat?
Just as nobody has tried to apply Sharia law to any of us, or any one OTHER than Muslims--and even then there are only a few cases and some of them have been overturned. While I agree that it's good for legislators to remember they aren't the highest authority, didn't Christ even say that we should abide by the laws of man? Laws of man aren't laws of God, and religion has no place in government at ALL, in my opinion. Partly because it does nothing TO remind them of that anyway.


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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:17 AM

BYTEMITE


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3. No. Only because I don't see where Judeo-Christian law has been applied. When was the last time you had to sacrifice a goat?

4. No. If for nothing else, its important for government to remember that they are not the highest power. Also, the term "God" can be applied to many religions and beliefs.



*off-skance glance*

3. Christians don't sacrifice goats. The whole messiah and saviour thing was supposed to make it unnecessary. What is being referred to obviously is gay rights and certain much debated requirements being considered for schools.

4. ...And the higher power is the public, not religion. Scary thought.

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:47 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER


Judeo might be more rule intensive, but Christian law would be really simple. Love God and Love all people, that's what all the laws of the prophets depend upon. But that's no way to organize a government. Could make for a happy anarchy I suppose...

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


... when a women gets prego...and the guy doesnt want it and she keeps it anyway..the dude is off the hook financially..

Here's your shock for the day: I agree with Kane!


And I disagree with you both. If a man really really really doesn't want to be on the financial hook for a child - he can make sure he doesn't generate any. It's that simple. IMO he's an idiot if he doesn't take precautions and creates a baby. And then, my god, is shocked, SHOCKED that he might have some financial responsibility for what he equally participated in creating.

Furthermore, I think the laws regarding child abandonment should be made to nail both parties equally, not just the woman because she was the last person able to walk away.

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by SkyDiveLife:
Kwicko wrote:


"Will you agree to never try to force your beliefs on me through force (of law or other)?

Will you support a woman's right to choose when or whether to have children?

Will you support the banning of Judeo-Christian law in this country, just as so many insist that we must unite to ban Sharia law in this country?

Will you support the doing away with such religion-based pablum as posting the Ten Commandments in some courthouses, printing "In God We Trust" on our currency, and adding unnecessary clause like "under God" to our Pledge of Allegiance?"

1. Yes.

2. Yes

3. No. Only because I don't see where Judeo-Christian law has been applied. When was the last time you had to sacrifice a goat?



When was the last time you were able to buy booze in Texas on a Sunday? ;)

Or marry your same-sex lover in Arkansas?

Or get an abortion - a 100% legal procedure in all 50 of these United States - in Kansas?



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4. No. If for nothing else, its important for government to remember that they are not the highest power. Also, the term "God" can be applied to many religions and beliefs.



Including Sharia, right? Which serves to remind Muslims that there is a higher power than government, after all.

So you agree it's not religious extremism you have a problem with - it's quite specifically MUSLIM extremism, or Sharia in particular, as practiced by more than a billion mainstream Muslims around the world.

See, I'm willing to practice what I (don't) preach, because I think all religions are useless and are in the way and in my business, meddling where they have no right and no place.

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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3. No. Only because I don't see where Judeo-Christian law has been applied. When was the last time you had to sacrifice a goat?

4. No. If for nothing else, its important for government to remember that they are not the highest power. Also, the term "God" can be applied to many religions and beliefs.



*off-skance glance*

3. Christians don't sacrifice goats. The whole messiah and saviour thing was supposed to make it unnecessary. What is being referred to obviously is gay rights and certain much debated requirements being considered for schools.

4. ...And the higher power is the public, not religion. Scary thought.




We really need a "Like" button for posts like this.

You pretty much nailed it, Byte.

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Judeo might be more rule intensive, but Christian law would be really simple. Love God and Love all people, that's what all the laws of the prophets depend upon. But that's no way to organize a government. Could make for a happy anarchy I suppose...




Might be really simple, IF you're a Christian.

Under your "simple" Christian law, I'd likely be imprisoned or put to death, unless I was willing to lie about my beliefs and take a false oath to "love god" - a god which I don't believe in, thereby betraying my OWN beliefs by taking any such oath.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
... when a women gets prego...and the guy doesnt want it and she keeps it anyway..the dude is off the hook financially..

Here's your shock for the day: I agree with Kane!


And I disagree with you both. If a man really really really doesn't want to be on the financial hook for a child - he can make sure he doesn't generate any. It's that simple. IMO he's an idiot if he doesn't take precautions and creates a baby. And then, my god, is shocked, SHOCKED that he might have some financial responsibility for what he equally participated in creating.

Furthermore, I think the laws regarding child abandonment should be made to nail both parties equally, not just the woman because she was the last person able to walk away.




So just to be clear here - Kane's arguing AGAINST personal responsibility?

And a "lefty socialist nanny-state government-loving liberal" like Kiki here is arguing FOR personal responsibility, for taking responsibility for one's own actions?

Huh.

I was told this could never happen. ;)


If you don't want the financial responsibility that goes along with fathering a child...

... don't father a child!

If your girl swears she's on the pill, use a condom anyway. If you REALLY don't want children, get a vasectomy. After all, why should all responsibility for birth control fall to the woman?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:07 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Judeo might be more rule intensive, but Christian law would be really simple. Love God and Love all people, that's what all the laws of the prophets depend upon. But that's no way to organize a government. Could make for a happy anarchy I suppose...




Might be really simple, IF you're a Christian.

Under your "simple" Christian law, I'd likely be imprisoned or put to death, unless I was willing to lie about my beliefs and take a false oath to "love god" - a god which I don't believe in, thereby betraying my OWN beliefs by taking any such oath.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill



No, you would not be imprisoned or put to death, you would be loved, just like everyone else. Your relationship with God is your business, only the two of you would really know how that's going. Loving all people is a bit more observable, though still not truely 'enforceable.' You can't use fear or pain to motivate compassion, so I don't know how you would create 'order' but I could see a hypothetical happy anarchy where folks did what they could for one another, everyone gave freely and fewer people were found wanting in meeting their basic human needs.

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