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Proof that Wisconsin GOP Colluding to Run Fake Democratic Candidates

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Thursday, July 14, 2011 16:54
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Friday, June 10, 2011 7:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Politics makes for dirty tricks on both sides, there's no doubt about that. But in my opinion, the GOP are the masters of slimy campaigning. Here's one tactic:
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A new letter provides evidence that the Wisconsin GOP is coordinating an effort to place fake Democratic candidates on recall election ballots.

According to letters obtained by Milwaukee Journal Sentinel local leaders in the Wisconsin Republican Party are organizing their fellow Republicans to get enough signatures to place fake Democrats on recall election ballots. The fake Democrats would run in Democratic primaries for the seats that are held by Republican Sens. Randy Hopper and Luther Olsen.

Both of the fake Democrats Rol Church and John Buckstaff have a history of almost exclusive political donations to Republicans. The letter of support for Buckstaff’s candidacy spells out the Wisconsin GOP’s motives in clear black and white,

Under a section titled We Can Fight Back, 6th Congressional District Chairman Dan Feyen wrote,
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We need to make sure Democratic challengers face primaries to allow our Republicans time to mount a campaign
The GAB is delaying Democrat elections in order to give them more time to organize. We need the same! A Democratic primary would push the general election back by one month so that Senator Hopper can have more time to organize a campaign against his liberal challenger.”

In case his motives weren’t totally obvious, under the What YOU Can Do section, Feyen wrote, “Please join us in supporting John Buckstaff’s “protest candidacy” on the Democratic ballot by signing the enclosed nomination paper, and returning it to us right away!”

Last week a secret tape emerged of Wisconsin Republicans discussing how they could rig the recall process by running a fake Democrat in a primary against Jennifer Shilling, who is challenging Republican Sen. Dan Kapanke.

Contrary to the indisputable evidence quickly compiling against them, Wisconsin Republican candidates have been running around like chickens with their heads cut off denying any knowledge or participation in the spoiler candidacy because they know voters don’t like dirty tricks. While it is perfectly legal for a “spolier candidate” to run, what is not as clear is if one candidate or party is conspiring to run a spoiler candidate in order to siphon votes off from their opponent.

Most of the time, candidates have to let these things go because there’s no proof of the conspiracy. But in this case, the proof is on tape and in letters, where they have admitted that the Wisconsin Republican Party is behind the entire plan to get two stooge candidates who are not really Democrats to run as Democrats.

Of course, the only reason someone would feel a need to trick the voters in this manner is if they feel threatened. In this case, the Republicans feel threatened because the people don’t like what they’re doing. The people don’t like their failure to comply with laws and their attacks on the middle class. One would think the best way to deal with this would be to regroup and have a listen to the people rather than try to pull a fast one on them — but this is the Wisconsin Republican Party.

Before the conservatives start screaming about whining liberals and no proof, when you have the party on tape and in writing admitting that they are doing this in not one, but two races, you only have to repeat their own words and let the constituents judge for themselves.

You don’t need to run a spoiler candidate if you are popular with the people, and you don’t get six easily certified recall campaigns against you if you are listening to the people. On the other hand, if you’re caught on tape and in writing conspiring to run a spoiler candidate so as to subvert democracy, perhaps your priorities as a political party are unimaginably far out of touch with your purported purpose of serving the people.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/wisconsin-gop-fake-democrats

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Friday, June 10, 2011 8:05 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Politics makes for dirty tricks on both sides, there's no doubt about that. But in my opinion, the GOP are the masters of slimy campaigning. Here's one tactic:


So you think both sides are doing dirty tricks but one side is worse because of a trick you really don't like...running ticket splitting candidates.

This is a pretty common tactic going back through the history of this country in local, state, and federal elections and it comes from every side.

Next you'll be saying "both sides spend money and thats bad but Republicans are really bad because they spend money to hire people to take polls".

We get it, you don't like Republicans. But I think you'll find politics is politics good and bad.

H

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Friday, June 10, 2011 8:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No. There are more reasons I feel that Republicans are far better at dirty dealing when it comes to election campaigns, this is just one current example. Note I said right off that this kind of crap happens on both sides.

I've been voting for over forty years, and in all that time I've heard of dirty tricks on both sides. It has seemed to me that the GOP is both more imaginative and more effective at it. And I don't think that is just because of the sources from which I have heard/read/seen news; I was a Republican until my mid-twenties, remember, and WORKED for Goldwater (a fact I admit with the only excuse being I was young and naive).

That was a predictable snark, typical of most here, but has nothing to do with reality, more to do with how YOU view ME.


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Friday, June 10, 2011 9:34 AM

HARDWARE


They don't say the democrats are playing checkers and the republicans are playing chess for no reason.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, June 10, 2011 9:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'd ask what that's supposed to mean, if I were interested.


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Friday, June 10, 2011 10:02 AM

HARDWARE


It means that the republicans are reputedly playing three moves ahead of the democrats. Jon Stewart referenced it in a harangue about Scott Brown being elected to Ted Kennedy's old senatorial seat. Only his version went; "The republicans are playing chess and the democrats are in the nurses office because they superglued their balls to their thigh again."

I'm not saying that I put stock in it, but it just an old saying that I've heard more than once.

About 9:11 in the video.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-18-2010/mass-backwards

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, June 10, 2011 10:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ah.
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It means that the republicans are reputedly playing three moves ahead of the democrats.
So you applaud the Republicans' ability to play dirty. Gotcha. Now I know where you're coming from, I'll try to remember that.

I certainly agree with Jon about the Democrats' incompetence at getting elected. But for different reasons than you, obviously.


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Friday, June 10, 2011 10:58 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


I thought all Demorat candidates were fake candidates...


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Friday, June 10, 2011 2:03 PM

HARDWARE


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ah.
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It means that the republicans are reputedly playing three moves ahead of the democrats...

...I'm not saying that I put stock in it, but it just an old saying that I've heard more than once.

So you applaud the Republicans' ability to play dirty. Gotcha. Now I know where you're coming from, I'll try to remember that.

I certainly agree with Jon about the Democrats' incompetence at getting elected. But for different reasons than you, obviously.






Nice. Try putting your words into your own mouth. If you're pissed off about this, go find somebody else's leg to hump.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, June 10, 2011 2:18 PM

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That sounds rather illegal, I wish someone would do something about it, like the Supreme Court?

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Friday, June 10, 2011 4:43 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ah. So you applaud the Republicans' ability to play dirty. Gotcha. Now I know where you're coming from, I'll try to remember that.



So you're taking lessons from Mike?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, June 10, 2011 4:57 PM

HKCAVALIER


Hey Niki,

I don't really think Hardware is trolling here. It is an old saying and not without a core of truth. I might have said it. For good or ill, politics is the Republican's game. Democrats tend to take it way too seriously and get all up in arms about playing by the rules. Meanwhile, when the Republicans don't like the rules, they just go on and change 'em. The Republicans aren't so much playing chess as they're playing fizbin. (That was for Chrisisall.)

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, June 10, 2011 5:35 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Rules? Where we're goin we don't git no stinkin rules...




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Friday, June 10, 2011 5:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The GOP claims to be concerned with "voter fraud" (which is all but nonexistent in this country), but they are completely UNCONCERNED with election fraud. In fact, they RELY on it!



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Friday, June 10, 2011 5:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ah. So you applaud the Republicans' ability to play dirty. Gotcha. Now I know where you're coming from, I'll try to remember that.



So you're taking lessons from Mike?

"Keep the Shiny side up"




So you're taking lessons from Rappy?


Let's hope you're more willing to cite sources for your lies, if that's the case.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, June 10, 2011 6:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Interesting...

Now, mind you - I've seen this tactic done locally, by Democrats no less, who used it to completely fuck the Tea Party all up.
Google "Michigan Fake Tea Party" for more info on that front.

But here's the rub, if the Dems are going to face CHARGES for this, damn well the Reps need to, or you're most certainly sending the wrong message, but of course that double-standard partisanship is quite rife in Wisconsin, which is WHY Walker and his cronies (as well as Synder and his, here) will be facing a recall.

I've also seen it done in the stupidest POSSIBLE way by the religious nutters of the US Taxpayer, US Constitution parties - who thought that by putting the same agenda behind two parties they could double-dip at the polls get more support for both!

Then later realizing their error, tried to spoiler elections by siphoning votes from Democrats, which went exactly the other way cause most pyschotic religious nutters are NOT Democrats, and thus lofted a bunch of the most corrupt, slimy, shoulda-been-hung Dems into office, in part resulting in Detroit being the wasteland it is.

But as usual, none of these bastards on either side wanna face up to or own the CONSEQUENCES, much less the collateral damage, caused by their antics.

A pox on both their houses, I say!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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It means that the republicans are reputedly playing three moves ahead of the democrats.
It helps if you're rolling in corporate money.

And if there's anything I've noticed about you, HW, you definitely pay homage to the moneyed.

Well, it's true.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 6:38 AM

DREAMTROVE


Um, just so what to the whole subject. I mean, people can run whomever they want. If the idiots vote for the shill, then darwin has selected them to lose.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Um, just so what to the whole subject. I mean, people can run whomever they want. If the idiots vote for the shill, then darwin has selected them to lose.




See, I can say that almost word for word about fracking, too. If people are stupid enough to vote for it, or stupid enough to live near people stupid enough to vote for it, then they get exactly what they deserve. So what if they were lied to and sold a bill of goods by a corporation with a good PR firm? They had the ability to learn better, so if they die because their neighbors are idiots who sold the area for a few bucks, then darwin has selected them to be poisoned and die out so that hardier humans can take their place.

See how neatly everything can be lined up if you just decide to fuck everyone and be a selfish prick? No wonder Republicans do it. What puzzles me is, why would a self-proclaimed "disloyal Democrat" join the Fuck-'em-all crowd?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, for those who might have missed it, the primary results are in - the "real" Democrats beat the fake ones 6 - 0.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/13/us/13wisconsin.html


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA



And no charges filed, indicating the double-standard which enables the fuckers.

Res Ispa Loquitur!

-F

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